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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:47 AM

Just when I was about to kick butt in Halo 4. I got time to respond. Need music playing and...here we go.

Couple of things:

Yes, Naruto does think he thinks that Hinata is strong, but here's the problem: he says that to many others. When it comes to Sakura, he is emotionally impressed. It happened twice in part 2 and you can tell how much he felt. Heck, the anime version pretty much nailed it. He is so impressed, it makes him feel so much love. It's special because this is the girl that he loves deeply. Honestly, there's no way, no how you can change his feelings. Once it's determined, it will never leave. Anyway, Hinata's support is never really standalone support, rather it has its own support. For example, he felt a little worried that he's going to fight Neji. She gave him a pep talk and he felt good. The thing is that it's about loser being overwatched. Rock Lee was part of it, so it's not about Hinata, rather about the group of "losers" being judged harshly. The latest pep talk is all thanks to Neji, Hinata, and Kuruma. It's not her only. That talk is about connection with his friends.

Here's the problem. When they talked, it's never really about them personally, rather it's about the theme they have in the current situation. Part 1 is about loser rising to the top and in here, it's about connections. When was the last time they talked normally to each other as friends? Naruto and Sakura have done it countless times, especially like the one when they met up in the library. Hinata is not really made to be Naruto's lover, rather to portray her character as a person who needed a confidence and watch her idol (Naruto) to make her strong. Naruto, when it comes to his friends alas side characters, are really input by Kishi to get developments for themselves, not changing Naruto to make them new best friend or lover. I'm not calling them fillers, but they are their own characters and they don't really involve with Naruto as a person. That's all for main characters' tasks. Naruto's important bonds is where Naruto, as a person, really develops as a character as well as his relationships. Granted, he does get development without them, but it's only to himself, not making relationship deeper. Tell me, do we ever see Naruto say something that Shikamaru is his best friend or even reconsider? No. In fact, at times, side characters' developments don't really effect the series. Hinata's confession anyone? Can they help Naruto? Yes. Can they replace his heart? No. Again, it all happens within the main characters.
Kishi has said that he knows the main plot points, but the hard task is to get there.

Lastly, the rejection. Has anyone ever considered two things: Hinata just fades away or she will be the one to understand in which she will stop chasing him, thanking him for helping her feel strong. Why on earth Naruto must accept her or even answer her. First of all, she confessed, but it's not like she expected anything in return. Otherwise, shouldn't Hinata do the hugging? There's no excuse on why Sakura is the one to hug Naruto. No excuse at all. If you find one, I can burn it down. Let's not forget that Naruto don't even recall her confession anymore. It's as if that the confession was the bonus from Kishi to please the fans. Not even Hinata thought about it again. Another problem is that Naruto still shows no love for Hinata, rather respect. Isn't that good enough? She is about being inspired by her hero and making progress. Yes, the hand holding happened, but why not get like a special treat for herself. It's like I want to challenge my hero in a contest and show him how good I am, only to get a pat in the back. I would like that. Heck, not even Kiba's comment helps because it has two suggestions and so far, well it's not helping love department.

To end all of this, this is my last message to NH fans, especially over the top fans. You guys claimed that Hinata has made Naruto changed his feelings. You claimed that Naruto no longer loves Sakura after the confession. You claimed Naruto and Hinata are now lovers in the battlefield. That all said, you do know how much jeopardy you placed yourself. My warning: if there's one NaruSaku moment, even if it's small, even if it comes from Obito making them parallel confirm, whether it comes from Naruto and Sakura,....game over. I'm dead serious. You guys really make Naruto the character pathetic for the last time and I can't see it anymore. One moment will end NH and head to the final battle: SS. It's that simple. You should all worry that Sakura hasn't make a move yet in the battlefield, which ironically same goes to Sai. I wonder why. Let's not forget that there's that concern for Naruto's last words to Sasuke, which will return once Naruto vs. Sasuke arrives. That said pray. Pray that Sakura gets killed off-screen, pray that Naruto goes 100% OoC, pray before everything will hit you back harder than the hug. Message ends.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 02 March 2013 - 12:48 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:02 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 2 2013, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just when I was about to kick butt in Halo 4. I got time to respond. Need music playing and...here we go.

Couple of things:

Yes, Naruto does think he thinks that Hinata is strong, but here's the problem: he says that to many others. When it comes to Sakura, he is emotionally impressed. It happened twice in part 2 and you can tell how much he felt. Heck, the anime version pretty much nailed it. He is so impressed, it makes him feel so much love. It's special because this is the girl that he loves deeply. Honestly, there's no way, no how you can change his feelings. Once it's determined, it will never leave. Anyway, Hinata's support is never really standalone support, rather it has its own support. For example, he felt a little worried that he's going to fight Neji. She gave him a pep talk and he felt good. The thing is that it's about loser being overwatched. Rock Lee was part of it, so it's not about Hinata, rather about the group of "losers" being judged harshly. The latest pep talk is all thanks to Neji, Hinata, and Kuruma. It's not her only. That talk is about connection with his friends.

Here's the problem. When they talked, it's never really about them personally, rather it's about the theme they have in the current situation. Part 1 is about loser rising to the top and in here, it's about connections. When was the last time they talked normally to each other as friends? Naruto and Sakura have done it countless times, especially like the one when they met up in the library. Hinata is not really made to be Naruto's lover, rather to portray her character as a person who needed a confidence and watch her idol (Naruto) to make her strong. Naruto, when it comes to his friends alas side characters, are really input by Kishi to get developments for themselves, not changing Naruto to make them new best friend or lover. I'm not calling them fillers, but they are their own characters and they don't really involve with Naruto as a person. That's all for main characters' tasks. Naruto's important bonds is where Naruto, as a person, really develops as a character as well as his relationships. Granted, he does get development without them, but it's only to himself, not making relationship deeper. Tell me, do we ever see Naruto say something that Shikamaru is his best friend or even reconsider? No. In fact, at times, side characters' developments don't really effect the series. Hinata's confession anyone? Can they help Naruto? Yes. Can they replace his heart? No. Again, it all happens within the main characters.
Kishi has said that he knows the main plot points, but the hard task is to get there.

Lastly, the rejection. Has anyone ever considered two things: Hinata just fades away or she will be the one to understand in which she will stop chasing him, thanking him for helping her feel strong. Why on earth Naruto must accept her or even answer her. First of all, she confessed, but it's not like she expected anything in return. Otherwise, shouldn't Hinata do the hugging? There's no excuse on why Sakura is the one to hug Naruto. No excuse at all. If you find one, I can burn it down. Let's not forget that Naruto don't even recall her confession anymore. It's as if that the confession was the bonus from Kishi to please the fans. Not even Hinata thought about it again. Another problem is that Naruto still shows no love for Hinata, rather respect. Isn't that good enough? She is about being inspired by her hero and making progress. Yes, the hand holding happened, but why not get like a special treat for herself. It's like I want to challenge my hero in a contest and show him how good I am, only to get a pat in the back. I would like that. Heck, not even Kiba's comment helps because it has two suggestions and so far, well it's not helping love department.

To end all of this, this is my last message to NH fans, especially over the top fans. You guys claimed that Hinata has made Naruto changed his feelings. You claimed that Naruto no longer loves Sakura after the confession. You claimed Naruto and Hinata are now lovers in the battlefield. That all said, you do know how much jeopardy you placed yourself. My warning: if there's one NaruSaku moment, even if it's small, even if it comes from Obito making them parallel confirm, whether it comes from Naruto and Sakura,....game over. I'm dead serious. You guys really make Naruto the character pathetic for the last time and I can't see it anymore. One moment will end NH and head to the final battle: SS. It's that simple. You should all worry that Sakura hasn't make a move yet in the battlefield, which ironically same goes to Sai. I wonder why. Let's not forget that there's that concern for Naruto's last words to Sasuke, which will return once Naruto vs. Sasuke arrives. That said pray. Pray that Sakura gets killed off-screen, pray that Naruto goes 100% OoC, pray before everything will hit you back harder than the hug. Message ends.


You tell the, well said and what not. But seriusly great post.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:26 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 1 2013, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To end all of this, this is my last message to NH fans, especially over the top fans. You guys claimed that Hinata has made Naruto changed his feelings. You claimed that Naruto no longer loves Sakura after the confession. You claimed Naruto and Hinata are now lovers in the battlefield. That all said, you do know how much jeopardy you placed yourself. My warning: if there's one NaruSaku moment, even if it's small, even if it comes from Obito making them parallel confirm, whether it comes from Naruto and Sakura,....game over. I'm dead serious. You guys really make Naruto the character pathetic for the last time and I can't see it anymore. One moment will end NH and head to the final battle: SS. It's that simple. You should all worry that Sakura hasn't make a move yet in the battlefield, which ironically same goes to Sai. I wonder why. Let's not forget that there's that concern for Naruto's last words to Sasuke, which will return once Naruto vs. Sasuke arrives. That said pray. Pray that Sakura gets killed off-screen, pray that Naruto goes 100% OoC, pray before everything will hit you back harder than the hug. Message ends.


Agree so much with this last part. People who say that NaruHina has gotten more development may have some shaky ground to stand on, but the delusional fans who claim that it's already becoming canon are just setting themselves up for defeat.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:31 AM

Like I said before, the biggest reason for Naruto rejecting Hinata is his strong love for Sakura. The fandom forget that (or try to deny it because it causes a lot of trouble in their favorite pairing)
In my point of view I think that she doesn't expect to much, cause she probably knew about his feelings when Sakura hugged him after Pain's battle. (just look at her, she was the only one reacting)
Sakura : Naruto, thank you.
Hinata : ...
Kishimoto that doesn't show Naruto's face at this moment means to me that he will show it when we'll get flashback (from Hinata's thoughts) about Naruto rejecting her.
I can already see it easly, here is my prediction :

Naruto : Hinata...
Hinata : I know, I saw it, you were smiling back there.
Naruto : ?
Hinata : When she hugged you, you looked so happy, you smiled. (remember Sai's words about smiling to Sakura everytime ?)

It's obvious that Naruto already rejected Hinata in a positive way.
Hinata's words about stop chasing after him when the war ends make so much sense if you know she was rejected.
The rejection went well, we can see it in the latest chapters.

Edited by Sojobo, 02 March 2013 - 02:35 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:34 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 2 2013, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To end all of this, this is my last message to NH fans, especially over the top fans. You guys claimed that Hinata has made Naruto changed his feelings. You claimed that Naruto no longer loves Sakura after the confession. You claimed Naruto and Hinata are now lovers in the battlefield. That all said, you do know how much jeopardy you placed yourself. My warning: if there's one NaruSaku moment, even if it's small, even if it comes from Obito making them parallel confirm, whether it comes from Naruto and Sakura,....game over. I'm dead serious. You guys really make Naruto the character pathetic for the last time and I can't see it anymore. One moment will end NH and head to the final battle: SS. It's that simple. You should all worry that Sakura hasn't make a move yet in the battlefield, which ironically same goes to Sai. I wonder why. Let's not forget that there's that concern for Naruto's last words to Sasuke, which will return once Naruto vs. Sasuke arrives. That said pray. Pray that Sakura gets killed off-screen, pray that Naruto goes 100% OoC, pray before everything will hit you back harder than the hug. Message ends.


so true! one moment from narusaku means naruhina is back to square one XD and they won't have a second chance.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:48 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Mar 2 2013, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so true! one moment from narusaku means naruhina is back to square one XD and they won't have a second chance.

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Even if it's already dead to me, one moment will end it once end for all. (like Hinata's words lol)



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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:24 AM

QUOTE (Kakashi-Sensei @ Mar 1 2013, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where ? first of , i dont know how Naruto could have real fealings with hinata since they had interacted like 5 or 6 times in the entire show. The only upgrade that i could see between the relationship of Naruto and Hinata is
Class camarades ------> Friends

Let me try and recall the times Naruto and Hinata have actually exchanged words:

1) The written chunin exams. Nothing really significant there.
2) When Hinata gave Naruto ointment after his fight with Kiba. Minor thing.
3) When Hinata cheer Naruto up before his fight with Neji. Finally something relevant.
4) Naruto meets Hinata in Part 2. And Hinata didn't say anything, she just faints.
5) While they looked for Itachi. They exchanged like two words.
6) When Hinata confesses. Good development for Hinata only.
7) When Naruto saves her from Zetsu and cheers her up. Again, development for Hinata.
8) When she encourages him after Neji dies. Once again, the pinnacle of Hinata's development, which also conveniently served to give Naruto his second wind.

Can someone please tell me how this makes Naruto now fall in love with Hinata. I mean, this is supposed to be the end. The climax of all development and feelings for characters. People actually believe that now Kishi will somehow force a subplot for Naruto to slowly fall in love with Hinata when he should actually be focusing on the bigger plot points? Are they seriously that desperate?

Reminds me of a review who was making predictions about upcoming events for Naruto in 2013. He actually said the we'll see Naruto and Hinata forming a stronger bond from now on in the story. After I face palmed I simply asked "How?". Hinata is not part of the main plot and the climax of the story means that only the most relevant issues are the ones to be developed.

Does he think that Naruto and Hinata are going to be suddenly transported to some other dimension in which they can work on their relationship without worrying about the upcoming threat? Oh wait, Kishi actually already did that, but in this case the girl was actually Sakura and not Hinata, and the movie is called Road to Ninja.

Sakura has gradually grown more fond of Naruto to the point of considering his happiness the highest of priorities, and it didn't just magically happen, we see it slowly build up. And yet Naruto now has to develop sudden feelings for Hinata there never had a spec of foreshadowing? No, just no.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:37 AM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Mar 1 2013, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You tell the, well said and what not. But seriusly great post.



QUOTE (Baguette @ Mar 1 2013, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agree so much with this last part. People who say that NaruHina has gotten more development may have some shaky ground to stand on, but the delusional fans who claim that it's already becoming canon are just setting themselves up for defeat.



QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Mar 1 2013, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so true! one moment from narusaku means naruhina is back to square one XD and they won't have a second chance.



QUOTE (Sojobo @ Mar 1 2013, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Even if it's already dead to me, one moment will end it once end for all. (like Hinata's words lol)

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QUOTE (redragon88 @ Mar 1 2013, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let me try and recall the times Naruto and Hinata have actually exchanged words:

1) The written chunin exams. Nothing really significant there.
2) When Hinata gave Naruto ointment after his fight with Kiba. Minor thing.
3) When Hinata cheer Naruto up before his fight with Neji. Finally something relevant.
4) Naruto meets Hinata in Part 2. And Hinata didn't say anything, she just faints.
5) While they looked for Itachi. They exchanged like two words.
6) When Hinata confesses. Good development for Hinata only.
7) When Naruto saves her from Zetsu and cheers her up. Again, development for Hinata.
8) When she encourages him after Neji dies. Once again, the pinnacle of Hinata's development, which also conveniently served to give Naruto his second wind.

Can someone please tell me how this makes Naruto now fall in love with Hinata. I mean, this is supposed to be the end. The climax of all development and feelings for characters. People actually believe that now Kishi will somehow force a subplot for Naruto to slowly fall in love with Hinata when he should actually be focusing on the bigger plot points? Are they seriously that desperate?

Reminds me of a review who was making predictions about upcoming events for Naruto in 2013. He actually said the we'll see Naruto and Hinata forming a stronger bond from now on in the story. After I face palmed I simply asked "How?". Hinata is not part of the main plot and the climax of the story means that only the most relevant issues are the ones to be developed.

Does he think that Naruto and Hinata are going to be suddenly transported to some other dimension in which they can work on their relationship without worrying about the upcoming threat? Oh wait, Kishi actually already did that, but in this case the girl was actually Sakura and not Hinata, and the movie is called Road to Ninja.

Sakura has gradually grown more fond of Naruto to the point of considering his happiness the highest of priorities, and it didn't just magically happen, we see it slowly build up. And yet Naruto now has to develop sudden feelings for Hinata there never had a spec of foreshadowing? No, just no.

It's really too late. Anything else would be an asspull and certainly, it will destroy the story a lot. The fact you pointed out the whole conversation list really tells me it's really too late. The sad part is that the next phase/arc will be story driven and no time to make developments for side characters, which is why Kishi is ending it all in here. People really overstating the moments.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:45 AM

Another NaruHina fan argument I am compelled to crush lol. I always love reading NH arguments, they're full of so many double standards. laugh.gif My counter debates to NH fans are usually long lol. Apologies! sweatdrop.gif

Hinata is loyal and caring. Guess who else is loyal and caring? Shikarmaru, Choji, Neji, Kakashi, Sakura, Tsunade, Lee, Hashirama, and many others. Honestly, what Hinata has in common with Naruto is basic traits that most of Konoha 11/basic shinobi display as well. So, really, it doesn't make a major similiarity when many others share the same thing. It doesn't count. Naruto has acknowledged many people's strengths as well. Sasuke, Kakashi, Raikage(s), Itachi, Gaara, Shikamaru, Lee, Neji, and so many more others. Is Hinata still special? Nope. You know who else is determined and brave? Shikamaru, Itachi, Chiyo, Sarutobi, Sasuke, Sakura, Gaara, Tsunade, Jiraiya, Minato, Kushina, Temari, Ino. Is Hinata still special? Nope. I'll even argue Hinata isn't very determined either. Her resolve isn't as strong as a lot of these characters, she has to draw strength from Naruto. She wants to change and she is little by little, but her determination is largely weak. The exception is 615, but it's not on a regular basis. "Steadfast?" Not really. Hinata is only steadfast in her love and support, not belief or faith. Often times, she lacks faith in his abilities, such as when she guessed he would lose against Pain immediately (without checking with the Byakugan), his earlier fight against Kiba in Part 1, and when he got hit by Obito once. "Eyes scene" doesn't mean much either on Naruto's side, which is all that really matters. Yes, she did fix his dislocated shoulder. Just like any ninja would, actually. She was closer so might as well be her. And Sakura's healed Naruto's wounds countless times but apparently this means nothing because she's not Hinata, right? rolleyes.gif Yeah, Hinata and Kurama. Naruto wasn't fully convinced until Kurama enforced it. Why does everyone forget this? She inspired him with help. You know who else are a figure of support, comradeship, and kindness? The entire Shinobi Alliance. mellow.gif

As I pointed out in detail, Naruto is not obligated to love her at all because of these qualities, many other people have those exact same traits and you don't see him falling in love with all of them. Basically, while it's true he likes Hinata as a person, this person is making it sound like he'll accept her out of pity. Way to turn your argument against yourself, y'know. I smell a double standard coming on, which I love to point out: "Sakura likes many qualities that Naruto has as well, so it's pretty clear she has many reasons to accept his love for her instead of reject it." Right, positive. It's not like Hinata's confession threw him into the depths of fury and despair after sacrificing herself, right? mellow.gif NaruHina= Positive interaction or empty interaction. Either way, it bores me and remains to be unrealistic. NaruSaku= Mostly positive, but takes angsty turns. A nice balance and a lot more real/interesting. It can't be all positive, it's unnatural. There has to be drama which NH (Except 437) usually lacks.

Unclear? In what way are Naruto's feelings unclear? They are not at all and it's wishful thinking to think differently. They have never been unclear, the only girl he's liked/loved this whole series is Sakura. 469-470, based on his reaction (happy shocked, blushing, disappointed face, then serious anger), it heavily implied Naruto still loves Sakura at that time. That was a few weeks at most. If you think Naruto moves on that easily, then you don't know who he is. Look at Sasuke for further proof. And what about NaruSaku? It's growth and depth has been growing little by little as early as Ch. 3. For Sakura, it's been straight positive with Naruto. She went from finding him a nuisance to feeling like she's not even worthy of his love. And for Naruto, even though her love for Sasuke pains him, he doesn't want to let go of his feelings and has many other happy times to outweigh his angst. Sure, they've had a few dramatic speed bumps, but it at least it keeps us interested. Um ... "deep"? huh.gif Am I missing something here? In order for NH to have a deep relationship, they'd have to know and understand each other well. Hinata lacks both of this and Naruto barely interacts with her either. Of course he likes her, but this person acts like NH is a much bigger deal then what it actually is. NaruSaku has the understanding and awareness of each other, what struggles they go through and how they feel. So, in retrospect, NaruSaku remains to be the far more deeper and developed relationship.

Naruto saved many people from Zetsus, even Sakura in the same chapter. Yeah, pep talking someone who is down is a friend thing to do. Friend. His intention was entirely a platonic one, he just was being the nice guy that he is and thanking her for the Pain Arc, assuring her that she was strong. I don't know about this person, but if I was a NH fan, I wouldn't be satisifed with only pep talks being the basis of their interactions. sleep.gif Naruto wasn't necessarily looking at her eyes directly. It was a sideways glance and he could tell from her face she was upset, the "eyes" thing isn't exactly literal, you know. If that line was trying to imply romantic feelings and it was true, Naruto would either get embarrassed or rude. Neither he did, so it actually is against a romantic nature based on his character. Even if Kiba meant romance, he still barely reacted. Naruto likes to look tough in front of everyone, he prefers to hide weakness. So really, not much going for the pair. Just Kiba being Kiba and Naruto being Naruto. Must I ask why every NH fan I come across never says "He held her hand to give her chakra" and instead says the biased one "He held her hand?" facepalm.png It's not a romantic moment, it was already debunked when he gave chakra to everyone else via hand, Kurama explained why it took longer with Hinata, and Naruto focused back on fighting immediately without so much as a glance to Hinata. So it was Kishi trolling IMO, Naruto's affections are still consistent and directed at Sakura most likely. Naruto's not purposely staying by her side literally, he doesn't really care. He's just focusing on the battle, if he's away from Hinata, big whoop. It's not like he'll think "Oh no! I'm not next to Hinata!", if he notices he'll be fine with it. Hinata's next to him because she's up his ass lol. laugh.gif

Actually, it implies the opposite. 616 trolled 615 (which could've been a romantic moment yet was a missed opportunity) and indicated heavily it was purely platonic. The "in your eyes" scene did too, actually, since he left out the confession and just mentioned the rescue. Naruto's feeling likely have not changed, it breaks his character after so long. Kage Summit, a few weeks earlier, was still all about Sakura. If he was feeling conflicted or genuinely felt romantic feelings for Hinata, she would have popped up randomly during the confession. The fact that she didn't is telling.

... What? Naruto is going to accept Hinata because she loves him? Huh? That reason is just so poor. If someone loves you and you already fell in love with someone else before knowing this, then you're not obligated to love that person. Even Naruto, with his lonely childhood, is not excused from this. You love who you love, it can't be helped. That's what I think he's struggling with right now. Naruto knows he loves Sakura, he's not doubting his affections, he just feels bad for Hinata and doesn't want to hurt her. It's his Nice Guy Complex. By that reasoning, Sakura would love Naruto because he loves her. Certainly, there's more development and hints to back it up but that doesn't mean she has to return his feelings. If she loves Sasuke, she loves Sasuke. If Naruto loves Sakura, he loves Sakura. It's true, Naruto has always wanted genuine/unconditional love from others but just because Hinata's willing to offer herself does not mean it will make him truly happy or he actually desires it ... from her. Key word there. Naruto wants that, but he has a specific person in mind. And that of course is Sakura, the girl he's grown to be romantically attached to. He wants her happiness more than himself being happy, but he still hopes and wants to be with her.

This is one of the many reasons he rejected her confession as well. Besides the obvious (just plain lying, giving up on Sasuke, trying to push him to give up on Sasuke), he got angry because he does not want a Sakura that doesn't have the same feelings that he has for her. Naruto cares about how Sakura feels for him, if she was doing this and didn't really love him, it wasn't his perfect picture or something he'd truly be happy with. Naruto wants Sakura to love him, but the only way he'd accept her in a relationship is if he believed she truly did feel the same. Basically, Naruto would feel like he's more deep into it then she is and that would only hurt him.

As for the sacrificing her life argument, it's stupid because many people are risking their lives for him and have before in the past. Just because they "save his life" does not mean he's falling in love with them all.

Sakura likes many things about Naruto and has become as close to inseperable to him as you can get. Does this means she has to love him? No. The same works for Naruto with Hinata. You don't chose who you love, it just happens. Also, as I've said before, the NaruHina relationship isn't really that deep. He barely interacted with her throughout countless chapters and when he did, it was always a wide gap from until we see her again. Hinata's definitely one of his closer friends outside of T7 but it's hardly too meaningful. I'd say he's closer to Shikamaru then he is to Hinata. It's mostly pep talks and then Hinata admiring him without really knowing who he is. Doesn't sound like deep to me. Naruto's feelings for her have been growing, but not enough to get her out of the friendzone. Unfortunately for her, he has a one-track mind that's hard to veer off in another direction. So that's why the minute Naruto realized he fell in love with Sakura (whenever that was, I still have no idea), Hinata's chances almost evaporated. If she met him first and interacted with him more, maybe she wouldn't be in the friendzone.

Naruto's reasons for rejecting her feelings would be because he fell in love with someone else and because of that, cannot accept her love. 'Cause he seems like the type of guy who believes in "equal love" relationships for both himself, Sakura, and Hinata. It's just the way he is.

Can I please ask why I never come across a NaruHina fan argument that doesn't use double standards in them? No wonder I can respond to NH arguments so easily, most of them make it too easy with all the selective reading and double standards. sleep.gif Do they even realize this at all?

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 02 March 2013 - 04:01 AM.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:23 AM

xxRomanceGirlxx: Are you interested in the podcast for tomorrow? It will be an honor to be with you.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 2 2013, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
xxRomanceGirlxx: Are you interested in the podcast for tomorrow? It will be an honor to be with you.


I would love to take place with you! It'd be so much fun to debate verbally instead of written. However, I don't have the proper equipment or skype account for it. sad.gif Hopefully, someday I will join. Some point, just not now. happy.gif

Also, you'd be surprised at how I am when I talk. I know my posts always look like intelligent responses but trying to voice it out verbally, I'm not nearly as elegant. XD

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:38 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 1 2013, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would love to take place with you! It'd be so much fun to debate verbally instead of written. However, I don't have the proper equipment or skype account for it. sad.gif Hopefully, someday I will join. Some point, just not now. happy.gif

Also, you'd be surprised at how I am when I talk. I know my posts always look like intelligent responses but trying to voice it out verbally, I'm not nearly as elegant. XD

Lol. Well, you heard me. I'm pretty sure I caught many people off-guard.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:45 AM

xxRomanceGirlxx
Wow, thats it!
And i really agree with the part of Naruto wanting an equal relantionship. Thats why Sakura needs to perceive Naruto is most important and she loves him truly as she never did before!! 111193.gif
....Ah, but welldone, its always a pleasure to read your opinion, and i dont care if they're big xD
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:33 AM

So, when NS moment happens, how would you guys feel?

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:35 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 2 2013, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, when NS moment happens, how would you guys feel?


relieved and braggy.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:10 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 1 2013, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, when NS moment happens, how would you guys feel?

Depends on what the moment is.
If it's solid, I would be would be extremely happy, not just for the moment itself, but for all the different ways NaruHina fans are going to attempt to rationalize it. heheelq7.png

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:11 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 2 2013, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, when NS moment happens, how would you guys feel?

Get my popcorn and sit back and read some comments. Otherwise, nothing really happy.gif

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 07:05 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 1 2013, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, when NS moment happens, how would you guys feel?

I think we'll all feel a wave of relief. Our confidence in NaruSaku has been shaken more than once since the start of this war arc, so having a confirmation that the pairing is still standing will make us all feel a lot more settled than we have been as of late.

Though I do hope that we act appropriately if NaruSaku is given a moment in the manga. I don't want to see our fandom stoop to the same levels that others have. We all need to keep in mind how 540 & 615 initially made us feel and how upsetting it was dealing with other fans throwing those moments in our face all day. I believe that this fandom can hold its head up high without inflating it with air.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Mar 2 2013, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we'll all feel a wave of relief. Our confidence in NaruSaku has been shaken more than once since the start of this war arc, so having a confirmation that the pairing is still standing will make us all feel a lot more settled than we have been as of late.

Though I do hope that we act appropriately if NaruSaku is given a moment in the manga. I don't want to see our fandom stoop to the same levels that others have. We all need to keep in mind how 540 & 615 initially made us feel and how upsetting it was dealing with other fans throwing those moments in our face all day. I believe that this fandom can hold its head up high without inflating it with air.


Good point there , i think that if a NS moment happear in future chapters we should be happy for ourselfs, that our chipping is finnaly canon , and not happy because we can laught of others fans that prefer NaruHina or SasuSaku. They like there pairs as much as we like NaruSaku.

But even then , if NaruSaku is finally canon one day i will be very happy tongue.gif

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 08:05 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Mar 1 2013, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we'll all feel a wave of relief. Our confidence in NaruSaku has been shaken more than once since the start of this war arc, so having a confirmation that the pairing is still standing will make us all feel a lot more settled than we have been as of late.

Though I do hope that we act appropriately if NaruSaku is given a moment in the manga. I don't want to see our fandom stoop to the same levels that others have. We all need to keep in mind how 540 & 615 initially made us feel and how upsetting it was dealing with other fans throwing those moments in our face all day. I believe that this fandom can hold its head up high without inflating it with air.

QUOTE (Kakashi-Sensei @ Mar 1 2013, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good point there , i think that if a NS moment happear in future chapters we should be happy for ourselfs, that our chipping is finnaly canon , and not happy because we can laught of others fans that prefer NaruHina or SasuSaku. They like there pairs as much as we like NaruSaku.

But even then , if NaruSaku is finally canon one day i will be very happy tongue.gif

Now I feel kinda bad. sweatdrop.gif
I wouldn't be able to resist going on NB, posting the NaruSaku panels, then going kruemelmonsteryn0.gif at the NaruHina fans.

Edited by Baguette, 02 March 2013 - 08:06 AM.


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