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[Nate River]

the small blush was to make her look cute, a big blush is to make her look comical.

Kishi wanted a serious romantic moment rather than a tsundere comical moment. So the small blush made sense.

So...he wanted to meek a serious romantic moment in a panel whose theme is friendship and that was added to subtly distinguish her from everyone else? I agree with Soupy and Kushina, I don't see it as a blush and I think this is a real reach.

There are so many other better and stronger arguments in favor of NS than this.

You know how NH fans say that the NS hug was a sibling hug and whatever arguments they have and all that jazz. I've seen pictures where they edit out Sakura all together and replace her with Hinata while editing out Hinata in the sidelines and replace her with Sakura watching from the sidelines, a role reversing switcharo. Isn't that kind of hypocritical on their part. When Sakura hugging Naruto it's nothing but a sibling hug, but when HINATA'S the one hugging Naruto then it's SOOOOO ROMANTIC. Which leaves me to believe that their mindset works in the ways of "it's not romantic unless Hinata's doing it and not Sakura" or something like that. Doesn't that just piss any of you guys off?

Hypocritical....eh not really. Wishful thinking might be a bit better.

A lot of NH/SS fans believe it's a sibling relationship and all such moments will seen that way. I've said before that it's an argument of convenience since it explains away all possible romantic development, even before it happens. Naruto and Sakura can make all the comments, looks, blushes, hugs, whatever, and it won't matter because it's sibling.

[Miss Soupy]

Yeah..it bothers me when they say a NS moment doesn't mean much and yet go ahead and draw Hinata in instead of Sakura. Or they say all NS moments could be taken either way, and are small enough to mean almost anything. Yet they go through Hinata's moments, which are mostly small themselves, and write LAPS on how it means she will be with Naruto. >.>;; Going as far as writing essay on Hinata giving Naruto balm or Hinata's location in the friend pictures, yet Sakura feeding Naruto doesn't amount to anything at all, or the hug is merely BRO-SIS bonding. Yeah right.

[Hak]

Hmm. what about Hinata idolizing Naruto and finding sthrenght for herself from him, isn't that something like siblings?

[Grace]

The only explanation I thought was passable for why NH supporters give Hinata's moments so much more importance over any of Sakura's (in regards to being all romanticle with Naruto), is because Hinata's interactions with Naruto have been considered romantic from the start.

According to a NH friend of mine, she feels that any increased role Hinata plays in the romance of the story--i.e., her confession--is more solid evidence that Kishi has favored Hinata as a love interest from the get-go. She also argues that while Sakura has definitely shown some romantic interest in Naruto, her moments can be easily pegged as something platonic because it's "more likely" for Kishi to keep the girl that's been romantically inclined from the beginning as the love interest than the girl that has possibly been developing romantic feelings.

Yeah..... As, er...arguable as this reasoning is, though, I still say that the fact that Kishi has placed more weight on Sakura's developing feelings than Hinata's constant feelings is detrimental to NH while obviously supportive of NS.

Edit--

@Hak-- Of course not, 'cause Hinata was blushing. As we all know, no one blushes around their sibli---OH WAIT.

Edited by Kushina, 14 August 2010 - 09:00 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

According to a NH friend of mine, she feels that any increased role Hinata plays in the romance of the story--i.e., her confession--is more solid evidence that Kishi has favored Hinata as a love interest from the get-go. She also argues that while Sakura has definitely shown some romantic interest in Naruto, her moments can be easily pegged as something platonic because it's "more likely" for Kishi to keep the girl that's been romantically inclined from the beginning as the love interest than the girl that has possibly been developing romantic feelings.

The biggest problem with NH though is always it is completely one sided. That, even if Hinata does have bigger moments as far as her own feelings, these moments never extend to Naruto having development of his own. Her moments, which I always took as romantic from the start, haven't really grown at all. She loves him, he simply doesn't. And I feel her confession, followed by her content look watching Naruto hugged by Sakura, is enough closure for her. She did what she wanted to do all along, and now she can move on towards more important goals she has for her life. I resent this idea that Hinata can only revolve around her feelings for Naruto.

Because of that, I don't see how you can think that Kishi is planning NH. If he is, he has pretty much gone about it in a horrible way. 1. Making Naruto's love for another girl extremely selfless and pure 2. Making Naruto's love interest increasingly fond of him, including adding moments that are definitely romantic 3. Not allowing Naruto and Hinata to become better friends and to interact more. These things have remained pretty constant in the story, which, to me, mean he is not going for NH.

[jason voorhees]

kish stateing hinata fans are loud in interview proven True


im going to keep a list of what kish said to manga fact,false

[catsi563]

Think I see the major issue with the picture. its not that its a solid ZOMG naruSaku moment. Thats not what Is ee at all. I see though a subtle yet direct hint drawn in the style Kishimotos used from the beginning.

In chapter 245 pages 13-14 he uses a similar design of blush and eye line to show sakuras reaction to narutos return.

[Zin]

Think I see the major issue with the picture. its not that its a solid ZOMG naruSaku moment. Thats not what Is ee at all. I see though a subtle yet direct hint drawn in the style Kishimotos used from the beginning.

In chapter 245 pages 13-14 he uses a similar design of blush and eye line to show sakuras reaction to narutos return.

*groan* 504 was the biggest piece of evidence of Kishi's intentions in the whole manga. And people are going on about a picture. In which Naruto was talking about his friends. Seriously, 504 is plenty evidence until Naruto and Sakura interact again. Don't be greedy.

[catsi563]

Not a matter of being greedy. I dont have to be hungry to take a bite of the cake when its presented on a silver platter.

[Zin]

Not a matter of being greedy. I dont have to be hungry to take a bite of the cake when its presented on a silver platter.

I don't like cake. So I wouldn't take it even it was presented on a silver platter.

[Grace]

The biggest problem with NH though is always it is completely one sided. That, even if Hinata does have bigger moments as far as her own feelings, these moments never extend to Naruto having development of his own. Her moments, which I always took as romantic from the start, haven't really grown at all. She loves him, he simply doesn't. And I feel her confession, followed by her content look watching Naruto hugged by Sakura, is enough closure for her. She did what she wanted to do all along, and now she can move on towards more important goals she has for her life. I resent this idea that Hinata can only revolve around her feelings for Naruto.

Because of that, I don't see how you can think that Kishi is planning NH. If he is, he has pretty much gone about it in a horrible way. 1. Making Naruto's love for another girl extremely selfless and pure 2. Making Naruto's love interest increasingly fond of him, including adding moments that are definitely romantic 3. Not allowing Naruto and Hinata to become better friends and to interact more. These things have remained pretty constant in the story, which, to me, mean he is not going for NH.

I agree completely, was just giving one perspective NH fans may take--that perspective being that because Hinata's regard of Naruto was always romantic, her purpose must be to play a major role in the romance. The obvious flaw, as has been pointed out over and over and over by NS fans, is that although Sakura's feelings took longer to get here, she is at least developing feelings for someone that already has feelings for her.

*shrug* There's really no sound comparison to be made anymore. In Part 1? Slightly more possible, but not in Part 2.

@catsi-- Wouldn't this be more a case of trying to eat cake when it isn't there?

[Miss Soupy]

I agree completely, was just giving one perspective NH fans may take--that perspective being that because Hinata's regard of Naruto was always romantic, her purpose must be to play a major role in the romance. The obvious flaw, as has been pointed out over and over and over by NS fans, is that although Sakura's feelings took longer to get here, she is at least developing feelings for someone that already has feelings for her.

*shrug* There's really no sound comparison to be made anymore. In Part 1? Slightly more possible, but not in Part 2.

Pretty much. If kishi was going for NH, he would have had to change their dynamic in part II. He hasn't, even if there has been this huge confession. If NH did get bond development, then they would have a pretty good chance of happening. It hasn't happened and doesn't seem to be going to happen. So too bad for them I guess XD

[Gravenimage]

Pretty much. If kishi was going for NH, he would have had to change their dynamic in part II. He hasn't, even if there has been this huge confession. If NH did get bond development, then they would have a pretty good chance of happening. It hasn't happened and doesn't seem to be going to happen. So too bad for them I guess XD

Yep and after 505 chapters so far I don't think Kishi is not going to start now developing NH.

[Dreamer]

Yep and after 505 chapters so far I don't think Kishi is not going to start now developing NH.

Although there likely won't be any further NH development but i do think Naruto needs to confront Hinata and tell her the truth of how he feels for Sakura. Leaving Hinata hanging like that isn't a cool thing to do at least not in real life anyways.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 15 August 2010 - 03:29 AM.

[Toasty Warrior]

Ehh let's just bury the hatchet on the 450 hug, we all know it was more than just a sibling hug, I mean shoot look at Sakura's face, it clearly shows she was worried darn sick, but yeah I'll agree with everyone saying that the other fans really need to stop trolling, it's getting quite annoying now.

[Miss Soupy]

Although there likely won't be any further NH development but i do think Naruto needs to confront Hinata and tell her the truth of how he feels for Sakura. Leaving Hinata hanging like that isn't a cool thing to do at least not in real life anyways.

I actually don't think Hinata is hanging, I think she understands because of Sakura's hug. It looked like she was content with that. At this point it feels like its been too long since that moment to make much sense. Though Kishi could possibly have a flashback of him talking to her earlier.

[Dreamer]

I actually don't think Hinata is hanging, I think she understands because of Sakura's hug. It looked like she was content with that. At this point it feels like its been too long since that moment to make much sense. Though Kishi could possibly have a flashback of him talking to her earlier.

Yeah feel like it would be more appropriate to have at least a flashback of Naruto telling her.

[maliousdei]

out of curiosity, and seeing as how we have all had our doubts about the pairing, what is it that allows you guys to keep you faith in narusaku becoming canon?

[Zin]

out of curiosity, and seeing as how we have all had our doubts about the pairing, what is it that allows you guys to keep you faith in narusaku becoming canon?

Naruto and Sakura have always been the main male and main female protagonists. That's usually how mangas are structured. Furthermore, Naruto isn't the type to give up on anyone. Especially not something as important as the woman he loves.

[Dreamer]

out of curiosity, and seeing as how we have all had our doubts about the pairing, what is it that allows you guys to keep you faith in narusaku becoming canon?

Well to me it's the gradual developmental NaruSaku moments Kishi continues to show throughout the manga.