Feels too long since I've been here.
Hi Everyone!!
Nostradamus, while your 'rant' shows your enthusiasm for the topic, the extremely excessive posting, plus character bashing, and profanity breaks a number of forum rules. Your posts have been temporarily hidden until we can find a solution to this...rant...of yours.
Edits are required for sure. can't say it wasn't bashing though I agree with his points
If he could edit it- especially get rid of the profanity, and the overt character bashing, the rest made some great canon story points that I was glad someone else had seen. I wanted to springboard a reply from it- (folks, even if you don't like a character and don't see that they have any real purpose in the manga, don't call the character "useless". Even a minor support character has some "use" to the story...)
The length is definitely an issue in this thread, (I had just started to read it this morning before I had to go to work- on lunch break now- so I hadn't read but maybe half of it before I had to leave for work. I was making mental notes this morning- about what I might reply to when I got home from work this evening...) but maybe he could post an edited version (removing the character bashing and profanity) in his I-blog and post a link to it in the debate thread? That way people could still respond to it but his long rant wouldn't take up pages in the debate thread. What you think, Shauna?
Wanna put it on a new thread then?
There's also evidence from the databooks that in the affection charts Hinata always has the arrow towards Naruto that says "admiration" not "suki" which means like.
My friend, there's no getting around it; Hinata sees Naruto in a romantic light.
Is it love? No, not really she isn't very connected to him and does not truly
know him as a person, but it is a genuine affection we can't deny it, but we know for sure that what is the VERY definition of love is what's between Naruto and Sakura.
No, Sakura did not actually "hate" Naruto (chapter 4), nor more than Naruto "hates" Sakura (Chapter 469). That's the mistake readers make- taking annoyance to mean actual hatred. (you want real hatred look at Sasuke- even in part 1 he was already a good part consumed by it) Go back and look at her words to Naruto henged as Sasuke in chapter 3. Sakura thought Naruto's actions in the Academy was to mock and torment her by calling her "Sakura chan" all the time, etc... Remember, at this point Sakura believes she's too ugly for any boy to be interested in her (also in chapter 3), and all Naruto did in school was make pranks. Sakura believed Naruto was making her an object of mockery for his enjoyment. She's angry at him for that reason- and she had no evidence otherwise. But look how swift that changes once she is interacting with him on a team- it's gone by the bell test. So yeah the real Sasuke's explanation about why Naruto acts the way he does- that he's lonely, did indeed quickly shift the image she had of Naruto. In chapter 4 she's still mostly thinking about Naruto as her tormentor, she's not quite seeing the real Naruto yet- he's not done anything yet to change that image, so she "hates" the guy who has tormented her in the Academy. But look at chapter 5- she's already let the image of Naruto the tormentor go, heck she even blushes at what looks like him acting heroic, and acts without a second thought of her own safety to save Naruto from what she thinks is serious danger, then gets angry and disgusted at Kakashi for bullying Naruto for fun. (key point here, Sakura, because she was bullied, hates to see anyone bullied.)
With the tsundere type the girl usually dislikes the boy at the start- something about his behavior sets off her temper and irritation. Usually the shift to liking, even on a mild friendship level takes much longer than Kishimoto did. (Ranma 1/2 set the template with Ranma and Akane. Jiraya and Tsunade act out the more classic version of that story, but with a tragic twist- neither realizing the other did have real feelings for them until their last conversation- Jiraiya tries to pretend to himself that he hadn't noticed as he's dying, but he gives away hints that he had noticed- he even outright cuts off her pretty obvious love confession before she can get much of it out) The overly negative image Sakura has of Naruto as her tormentor is completely gone by the start of chapter 5. She's still irritated at his stupidity, rudeness, gross and perverted behavior but it's clear he's already a friend certainly before the start of the Land of Waves arc. She's already very tuned into caring about his emotional as well as physical well being in this arc, and even has a moment where her semiconscious feelings for Naruto become conscious- which confuses her, but she doesn't reject it in any shape or form- her reaction is: wow that's confusing, don't understand it, and that's all she thinks about it at that point. We see her again and again even in part 1 show an intense bond to Naruto, unknown to her until near the end of part 1, but actually even in early part 1, stronger than her bond to Sasuke. Several times in part 1 it's Naruto's welfare she focuses on, she doesn't even think of Sasuke at all... And this is just part 1, in part 2 her bond to Sasuke gets fainter and fainter, and more and more as part 2 goes along something she doesn't want and something that causes her pain and shame. The only positive reflection we see toward Sasuke isn't connected to her at all, it was the joy she felt when she observed the brother-like bond between Naruto and Sasuke. That what she wanted restored, for both the boys emotional well-being from the end of part 1 onward. Nothing about her one-sided feelings for Sasuke, she wants that gone from herself, even the fragment of the memory of it just makes her miserable and ashamed.
She THOUGHT she hated him.
but it was just a tsundere type f reaction, besides we all know people say what they don't mean. As you said ciardha, does Sakura's actions indicate genuine hostility and contempt? Definitely not besides how is her attitude towards him now HATE? I FOR SURE give this question to anyone that opposes it.
I mean if that was hate than well.. for them to be friends in some people eyes there will have to be more INTENSE type of moments I guess *Shrugs*
Now that the English databook has been released, is there any positive comments towards NS that are evident for us? I've not got a chance to read it.
Not that I know of. besides if they aren't convinced by the manga why would the data book be different? They'll just ignore it as usual
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But I hoping Naruto dies by Sasuke's hands (but revive afterwards), maybe a chidori through the chest. That way, Sakura will open her eyes. And regret she never plunged the poisonous kunai through Sasuke's heart.
