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Posted 03 July 2015 - 07:32 AM

NH fans said Hinata is like Minato because he always watch over kushina from afar, when she was beat up by that chunnin shinobi in a place there a lot sakura trees minato was watching just like when naruto suffering from his loneliness hinata was there watch him, and when kushina was taken by shinobi of kumogakure minato was there to rescue her when no other shinobi from konoha come, just like when naruto was lose and almost captured by pain hinata was the one who rescue him when no other shinobi comes, even sakura. Thats why they say NH parallel with MK, not NS. :argh: :argh: :argh: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

If its cannon then why on gaiden chapter 8 [correct me if i wrong], when naruto was thinking about his past, iruka was the first person there not hinata?. Isn't in the the last hinata was the first person before iruka who was there for him?

Of course, what those idiot extremist fans choose to ignore is that...

1.) Minato didn't "watch Kushina from afar" because he was "too shy". He was never portrayed as "shy". Quiet, sure, but not because he was afraid to say anything.

2.) Minato was a natural genius who (with help from Kushina sometimes) was able to create things like the Rasengan, the Hiraishin, and the Shiki Fuin. All Hinata "created" were only very slight variations of the basic Jyuken. Simply using the 64 palms defensively rather than offensively (rather than just using the Kaiten), and just using more chakra in her hands and looking like lion heads...ooohhhh, so awesome. On the other side, you got Neji creating the Air Palm, which is something that goes against the traditional Jyuken style by being a ranged attack.

3.) Minato was charismatic and a natural leader as well as powerful. This is why he became Hokage at a young age, much like Hiruzen before him. I think the way Hinata is displayed throughout the story explains itself.

4.) Minato still worked hard to get to where he was. He wasn't just handed his strength and abilities nor his love interest. Just look at The Last for Hinata.

5.) Minato, as painful as it was to do, was willing to make sacrifices (himself and others) to protect the village, because he couldn't ask someone else to sacrifice something if he wasn't willing to do so himself, which is why he chose Naruto to be made Kurama's new Jinchuriki in order to save Konoha. I highly doubt Hinata could ever do anything remotely similar. She would no doubt base all her major decisions around "Naruto-kun" and never be able to willingly sacrifice Boruto or Himawari to become Jinchuriki, or anything without Naruto saying it was okay first. She's just a doormat.

6.) When it came to Kushina being kidnapped by Kumo, other shinobi DID come, but no one could figure out where she was taken, IIRC. Minato just happened to be the only one to notice her strands of hair and took the initiative to find her as quickly as possible.

When it came to Pain, "nobody came" for Naruto not because they didn't care, but because not only did Naruto tell them not to interfere, but they also knew they would only get in the way (given a bunch of them were injured or exhausted) and make things worse and, surprise surprise, Hinata does just that - gets in the way and makes things worse by "getting killed" (without doing anything of importance except give what is basically a deathbed confessional), pissing Naruto off (which he would have reacted the same way no matter who did it), and almost releasing Kurama, and that would have made all the efforts of protecting the village and its people (especially by Tsunade) pointless, and who knows what other damage would've done as a result. It was only due to convenient seal hax that that didn't happen.

7.) Minato is not afraid to stand up to Kushina if it's important. Hinata would never be able to speak up against Naruto unless pushed to the absolute brink. Heck, the whole "submissive" attitude Minato shows at times is simply the "scary wife" cliche that is seen everywhere, usually (heavily) exaggerated by the husband being an otherwise big / muscular, strong, and/or virtually invincible man.

....feel free to add more, but yeah...Minato and Hinata are nothing alike except for filling the opposite position to Naruto/Kushina.


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 07:58 AM

I have no idea how to reply to the above, but that Is amazingly true~!
Also one thing I noticed in Gaiden how they keep trying to push Boruto, why does Naruto's kids have the whisker marks?
Didn't kishimoto state that, those marks only happen when a jinchuriki is bearing a child?
Last time I checked Hinata wasn't a jinchuriki......

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 08:27 AM

 
This is obvious... I mean, the last wasn't even his idea, but in the script it is still saiying that he contributed it it and that its the direct follow up to the end of the manga, that's why it made such an impact in first place, it was the first Naruto movie to be considered canon
 
I think it's even more obvious that KIshi wasn't very happy with what happened in the last, that's why he sounded disgruntled when talking about his heavy involvement in the Boruto movie and how it's the first time he has a chance to do this and etc
 
knowing his past work however I wouldn't expect anything good too though

Well, The Last is still among the worst aspect of the franchise thus far. However, Gaiden is really upsettingly bad and that's not good, because I actually gave Kishi a chance to show me that maybe he's done with Naruto but with Gaiden, perhaps he can do something to make things right. Or at least show me that he can write. That ended up being false.

He only knows set pieces but can't do build and follow up justice. That's why a lot of them are forced and just rushed. That's what he needs to work on a lot. That or just get another guy to help him. It's rather funny because Kishi remind me of this guy from this anime where he is pretty out of place in manga writing with a lot of "twists" that really don't qualify good but once the editor told him to cut the bs, the final serialized is drastically different. As soon as I saw that, I immediately said it out loud to my girlfriend, "That's Kishi!" No joke, we were watching it during dinner.

So yeah, at this point, I don't trust him. If that plot leak is true, then I'm not expecting that great. Acceptable is all I can ask for now.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 08:45 AM

@touken
Who's that character?
Is that from bakuman?

What plot leak?

Edited by rocci, 03 July 2015 - 08:45 AM.


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 08:49 AM

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Apparently the new naruto anime ending showing naruto and hinata eating ramen together alone.


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:02 AM

@touken
Who's that character?
Is that from bakuman?

What plot leak?

No, it's another anime. My girlfriend showed it to me. I forgot the name. I wonder if she's awake...

 

The one with Boruto hates dad thus hate Hokage idea, so he goes to train with Sasuke, then Chunnin Exam arrives, then trouble happens with Naruto being captured, and lastly, Boruto knows Naruto's feelings, so he goes out there to save him with Kages and Sasuke traveling to the different dimension.



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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:14 AM

Kidnapping.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:20 AM

Kidnapping.

Yes. Naruto's signature.

 

If you ask me, the Gaiden pretty much told you that the first editor is truly the mastermind behind everything.



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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:26 AM

Yes. Naruto's signature.
 
If you ask me, the Gaiden pretty much told you that the first editor is truly the mastermind behind everything.

Can you imagine goku getting kidnaped so gohan could shine?
For me, that kind of thing is unacceptable. It's pathetic.
He's a shonen hero.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:26 AM

Can you imagine goku getting kidnaped so gohan could shine?
For me, that kind of thing is unacceptable. It's pathetic.
He's a shonen hero.

It's "save that person because you want to redeem yourself" tactic.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:32 AM

It's "save that person because you want to redeem yourself" tactic.

There's one thing called writing formula, but this kidnaped business? On the hero character?

Lol I hope kishi doesn't make burito do poal to salad to save naruto.
Bonus if salad cry begging burito to remember that his father love him.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:37 AM

There's one thing called writing formula, but this kidnaped business? On the hero character?

Lol I hope kishi doesn't make burito do poal to salad to save naruto.
Bonus if salad cry begging burito to remember that his father love him.

I would be lost in Kishi's writing forever.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:39 AM

I'm recovering from seeing that Naruto ending :argh:

My lawyer is a secret :fu:

Good thing I didn't see it and I don't plan to do it like ever I9V1N8m.png

 

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so its finally over.

/sigh/ now, its time to shower from all this mess. (:

Oh, & my phone got stolen.

I hate people so much. (:

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:41 AM

I would be lost in Kishi's writing forever.

Not only you.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 10:27 AM

 
When it came to Pain, "nobody came" for Naruto not because they didn't care, but because not only did Naruto tell them not to interfere, but they also knew they would only get in the way (given a bunch of them were injured or exhausted) and make things worse and, surprise surprise, Hinata does just that - gets in the way and makes things worse by "getting killed" (without doing anything of importance except give what is basically a deathbed confessional), pissing Naruto off (which he would have reacted the same way no matter who did it), and almost releasing Kurama, and that would have made all the efforts of protecting the village and its people (especially by Tsunade) pointless, and who knows what other damage would've done as a result. It was only due to convenient seal hax that that didn't happen.
 

 

That's not the reason why No-body came. I love how everyone misses the big obvious thing. the Villiage was pushed right back into the side, the battle was going on in the centre and they were all on the outskirts. No one could see clearly what was going on, Hence why Sakura had to ask the Byakugan user what was going and what happened with the seal being unleashed. 

 

As for no aid coming, NH fans overlook one crucial detail. There was a squad of ninja on their way and they were called Team kittening Gai. They arrived moments after Hinata got her smack-down. Not to mention Neiji was already scouting ahead with his Byakugan, either way Pain couldn't have kidnapped Naruto without bumping into them and having a fight on his hands. 

 

If anything Hinata was an absolute embarrassment as a ninja in that. Katsuyu was relaying all the messages and intel Tsunade gathered to everyone, Katsuyu had saved Hinata from the impact but I bet the fact that Pain's power could "theoretically" be countered by focusing Chakra to the feet to steady his pulling and pushing power was overlooked by her. She did displayed no skill what-so-ever and was completely "lol kitten please" stomped. Konohamaru might as well have gone in her place. 

 

They pick on sakura for not rushing to Naruto's aid despite the fact that Sakura's master was currently lying there in a coma and probably extremely weak and frail. When she heard the commotion she asked what was going on. If she knew what was going on why would she ask? makes no sense.

 

Oh also lets not forget how Hinata-hime's role in the actual invasion. While all of Konoha was being rampaged She was probably hiding out in the Hyuga clan district, with her own Bodyguard I might add. How stupid is that. You're home is being attacked and you've not even asked or suggested he go out and save the civilians who are running around dying and losing loved ones. 

 

Her fans belittle Sakura for not taking part in saving Naruto but in reality Sakura behaved a-lot more better and did more than Hinata could. She took down a summoning, took over the hospital and promised protection for it. Meanwhile Hinata-hime sama was locked her castle hoping Pain wasn't going to come for her to get her irrelevant eyes. 



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Posted 03 July 2015 - 12:02 PM

I hate how the entire NH fanbase tends to ignore the destroyed village, the dead civilians and Shinobis, Tsunade in a coma, poor visibility.

 

And they keep whining that if Hinata hadn't been there to help unleash Kurama, Naruto would have been killed by pain and kurama would have been extracted. 

 

It's funny cause that argument is utter BS........ How is endangering the entire village for one person a good idea ??

 

What would have happened if Minato had done the same thing with Naruto during the attack...??

Therein lies the stark difference between Minato and Hinata...... Minato is ready to do what it takes to protect the village as a Hokage, Even though Kushina thought it was a bad idea, She still agreed to it.

 

Hinata couldn't even give up her "Naruto-kun" even when the village was in trouble. I don't think the akatsuki planned to unleash the Bijuu but only use it a deterrent right ??


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 12:06 PM

Of course, what those idiot extremist fans choose to ignore is that...

1.) Minato didn't "watch Kushina from afar" because he was "too shy". He was never portrayed as "shy". Quiet, sure, but not because he was afraid to say anything.

2.) Minato was a natural genius who (with help from Kushina sometimes) was able to create things like the Rasengan, the Hiraishin, and the Shiki Fuin. All Hinata "created" were only very slight variations of the basic Jyuken. Simply using the 64 palms defensively rather than offensively (rather than just using the Kaiten), and just using more chakra in her hands and looking like lion heads...ooohhhh, so awesome. On the other side, you got Neji creating the Air Palm, which is something that goes against the traditional Jyuken style by being a ranged attack.

3.) Minato was charismatic and a natural leader as well as powerful. This is why he became Hokage at a young age, much like Hiruzen before him. I think the way Hinata is displayed throughout the story explains itself.

4.) Minato still worked hard to get to where he was. He wasn't just handed his strength and abilities nor his love interest. Just look at The Last for Hinata.

5.) Minato, as painful as it was to do, was willing to make sacrifices (himself and others) to protect the village, because he couldn't ask someone else to sacrifice something if he wasn't willing to do so himself, which is why he chose Naruto to be made Kurama's new Jinchuriki in order to save Konoha. I highly doubt Hinata could ever do anything remotely similar. She would no doubt base all her major decisions around "Naruto-kun" and never be able to willingly sacrifice Boruto or Himawari to become Jinchuriki, or anything without Naruto saying it was okay first. She's just a doormat.

6.) When it came to Kushina being kidnapped by Kumo, other shinobi DID come, but no one could figure out where she was taken, IIRC. Minato just happened to be the only one to notice her strands of hair and took the initiative to find her as quickly as possible.

When it came to Pain, "nobody came" for Naruto not because they didn't care, but because not only did Naruto tell them not to interfere, but they also knew they would only get in the way (given a bunch of them were injured or exhausted) and make things worse and, surprise surprise, Hinata does just that - gets in the way and makes things worse by "getting killed" (without doing anything of importance except give what is basically a deathbed confessional), pissing Naruto off (which he would have reacted the same way no matter who did it), and almost releasing Kurama, and that would have made all the efforts of protecting the village and its people (especially by Tsunade) pointless, and who knows what other damage would've done as a result. It was only due to convenient seal hax that that didn't happen.

7.) Minato is not afraid to stand up to Kushina if it's important. Hinata would never be able to speak up against Naruto unless pushed to the absolute brink. Heck, the whole "submissive" attitude Minato shows at times is simply the "scary wife" cliche that is seen everywhere, usually (heavily) exaggerated by the husband being an otherwise big / muscular, strong, and/or virtually invincible man.

....feel free to add more, but yeah...Minato and Hinata are nothing alike except for filling the opposite position to Naruto/Kushina.

Wasn't the lion fist thing passed down? If so...she never learned her own jutsu...

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 12:14 PM

Imagine if in HP epilogue we had parings such as Draco/Hermione, Harry/Pansy etc. Then JK coming out and telling us we read the story wrong!

 

Or imagine Harry who always wanted a family being a jackass towards his children!

 

I can unerstand Kishi going with this if he got lots of money for it. But in what minds did SP/SJ etc thought this was good?

 

Kishi with his fanboying over Sasuke is also moronic. Look at JK. She didn't like Pansy. She created the char based on girls who were "mean" to her. But even JK didn't went out of her way to screw Pansy over by bashing her over. Same goes for Draco.

 

At the end Kishi is just horrible writer with no selfconfidence what so ever. While being money gree. Add SP/SJ with their delusions. And you get current Naruto.


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 12:24 PM

Wasn't the lion fist thing passed down? If so...she never learned her own jutsu...

Is that from new database?

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 12:25 PM

Is that from new database?

yeah, it was stated only the main family learned lion fist.


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