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[Aizen-Sama]

In a story you're supposed to let the characters control the plot--not you control the characters.
If Kishimoto held onto his SS/NH ending wish despite the romantic chemistry that was happening between Naruto and Sakura (and Sasuke's rising abuse of his heroine along with Naruto's lack of interest in Hinata)...then that's bad writing dude. Horrible writing.
The ending was poorly written and it could be proven.

Edited by Aizen-Sama, 16 November 2014 - 06:58 PM.

[Nar123]

Didn't Kishi say only 4 years ago that he hadn't given the pairings much thought and that only one pairing would be canon?

This is why I can't take anything anyone says seriously. Even if the tweet was made, it is all bullsh** anyway. Too many lies now to believe anything now. So easy to make claims now AFTER the fact than during it. During the process, the words were different.

 

Kishi also said he didn't plan to pair Shikamaru with anyone hahahaha

 

Just this proves that this ending was not the consequence of a plan 

[milan kyuubi]

Didn't Kishi say only 4 years ago that he hadn't given the pairings much thought and that only one pairing would be canon?

This is why I can't take anything anyone says seriously. Even if the tweet was made, it is all bullsh** anyway. Too many lies now to believe anything now. So easy to make claims now AFTER the fact than during it. During the process, the words were different.

 

This!

 

All those tweets are simple BS! Kishi planed this for 8 years? Yet he didn't know how to defeat Madara. This tweet contradicts everything Kishi ever said in every of his interviews!

[Ether]

but he will insult his reader by saying "You just didn't understand."

Where did this come from anyway? I hear it's from an interview?

 

 

All those tweets are simple BS! Kishi planed this for 8 years? Yet he didn't know how to defeat Madara. This tweet contradicts everything Kishi ever said in every of his interviews!

I already explained that. He planned the destination, but not the journey.

 

Edited by Ether, 16 November 2014 - 07:01 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

In a story you're supposed to let the characters control the plot--not you control the characters.
If Kishimoto held onto his SS/NH ending wish despite the chemistry that was happening between Naruto and Sakura (and Sasuke's rising abuse of his heroine)...then that's bad writing dude. Horrible writing.
The ending was poorly written and it could be proven.

 

The entire story is poorly written if that is the case. Everything in the entire story is a complete lie and nothing makes sense. The fact that, as I said, you have to explain all this after the fact just means how badly written it became.

A writer blaming his reader's because he couldn't write it well enough just proves it. I have taken writing courses in college and read books non-stop over and over...one thing a writer should NEVER do is blame their readers for the mishaps if they know it was there kitten up. I have seen comic book artist SAVE their reputation by saying "Yeah, I messed up. I meant to put it like this, but they pushed the print before I had a chance to edit it."

Like I said, what is worse for the reputation? Repeating the same mistakes and blaming your readers for the mess ups or actually admitting "Yeah, I had an opportunity and I messed up."
 

I already explained that. He planned the destination, but not the journey.

Pfff, not even the destination remained the same.

"I am going to name Naruto's son Shinachiku."

Oh really? I didn't know that Shinachiku was spelled B-O-L-T

Edited by James S Cassidy, 16 November 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[Nar123]

Where did this come from anyway? I hear it's from an interview?

 

 

I already explained that. He planned the destination, but not the journey.

 

 

 

I don't think the destination he had in mind like 8 years ago is the same that we got now

 

I mean... I guess he had an idea on how the ending was supposed to be, but still he changed a lot of things like the fact that he said he wouldn't pair shikamaru with anyone ( he even laughed about it!)  and im guessing that the main end pairings also weren't decided until the beginning of the production of the last.

Edited by Nar123, 16 November 2014 - 07:08 PM.

[milan kyuubi]

 

The entire story is poorly written if that is the case. Everything in the entire story is a complete lie and nothing makes sense. The fact that, as I said, you have to explain all this after the fact just means how badly written it became.

A writer blaming his reader's because he couldn't write it well enough just proves it. I have taken writing courses in college and read books non-stop over and over...one thing a writer should NEVER do is blame their readers for the mishaps if they know it was there kitten up. I have seen comic book artist SAVE their reputation by saying "Yeah, I messed up. I meant to put it like this, but they pushed the print before I had a chance to edit it."

Like I said, what is worse for the reputation? Repeating the same mistakes and blaming your readers for the mess ups or actually admitting "Yeah, I had an opportunity and I messed up."

 

 

 

This would be like J.K making an ending where Voldermort wins. And then tell the fans they don't understand and were reading the story wrong! 

Edited by milan kyuubi, 16 November 2014 - 07:08 PM.

[Aizen-Sama]

Kishimoto not only kittened up on the pairings but also on the general plot.
Sasuke should've died or at least imprisoned for life or exiled. He did not pay for his crimes which not only craps on the laws of the shinobi world but also sends a bad moral message to kids.
No one got what they deserved (well..except for Hinata-sama).

[milan kyuubi]

Kishimoto not only kittened up on the pairings but also on the general plot.
Sasuke should've died or at least imprisoned for life or exiled. He did not pay for his crimes which not only craps on the laws of the shinobi world but also sends a bad moral message to kids.
No one got what they deserved (well..except for Hinata-sama).

 

Don't forget the moral (message) of the story! 

[James S Cassidy]

 

This would be like J.K making an ending where Voldermort wins. And then tell the fans they don't understand and were reading the story wrong! 

Yeah. Sometimes the writer does mess up and people have to accept that.

Some have gone on record to even hate their own work sometimes because they admit it was either due to time constraints or due to forced plot points they never wanted.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 16 November 2014 - 07:12 PM.

[Ether]

He did not pay for his crimes which not only craps on the laws of the shinobi world but also sends a bad moral message to kids.

The mass murderer (Obito) and the total a**hole (Sasuke) both managed to get the girl in the end, but the hero of his story didn't. I'd think the message he's sending is that the world is an unfair place, but that still doesn't sound right.

 

Either that or Uchiha > Everyone else.

Edited by Ether, 16 November 2014 - 07:17 PM.

[milan kyuubi]

Yeah. Sometimes the writer does mess up and people have to accept that.

Some have gone on record to even hate their own work sometimes because they admit it was either due to time constraints or due to forced plot points they never wanted.

 

I agree. There are cases where actors/actresses admitted they shouldn't have played certain role! The difference is they were acting. Not creating a story!

 

This is what I think about me not understanding the story...

 

http://www.narusaku....130#entry662763

[NarutoUzumaki01]

The mass murderer (Obito) and the total a**hole (Sasuke) both managed to get the girl in the end, but the hero of his story didn't. I'd think the message he's sending is that the world is an unfair place, but that still doesn't sound right.

Actually, stalker-girl, and even other random people get their other halfs, but only not main hero/heroine. 

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 16 November 2014 - 07:29 PM.

[rikakim94]

Didn't Kishi say only 4 years ago that he hadn't given the pairings much thought and that only one pairing would be canon?

This is why I can't take anything anyone says seriously. Even if the tweet was made, it is all bullsh** anyway. Too many lies now to believe anything now. So easy to make claims now AFTER the fact than during it. During the process, the words were different.

 

I can't take kishi seriously anymore ether didn't he made a promise that sakura will act more herione like? Then few years later he promised sakura will get a character arc after kakashi's arc was done. Nether of those came true....

[James S Cassidy]

 

I can't take kishi seriously anymore ether didn't he made a promise that sakura will act more herione like? Then few years later he promised sakura will get a character arc after kakashi's arc was done. Nether of those came true....

Yeah, exactly, so what is truth anymore? I don't even know.

People now could just be saying stuff to save face...but it is all talk and words now.

[Aizen-Sama]

The mass murderer (Obito) and the total a**hole (Sasuke) both managed to get the girl in the end, but the hero of his story didn't. I'd think the message he's sending is that the world is an unfair place, but that still doesn't sound right.
 
Either that or Uchiha > Everyone else.

Sakura also did not deserve to be with the guy who treated her like kitten and leaves her alone in the house all the time.
Guess the moral is also that "b*tches get what they deserve".

[Narufan85]

The mass murderer (Obito) and the total a**hole (Sasuke) both managed to get the girl in the end, but the hero of his story didn't. I'd think the message he's sending is that the world is an unfair place, but that still doesn't sound right.

 

Either that or Uchiha > Everyone else.

 

The Uchiha took over the story to the detriment of the overall narrative. Why focus so much on someone that is not the MC? Why not talk more about the Uzumaki? Why not spend more time developing Naruto's actual ninja skills other than rasengan variants? Why not continue exploring your developed notion of chakra?

There are bad writing decisions everywhere. It just took 699 & 700 to make the majority of people realize that.

[soshi]

Sakura also did not deserve to be with the guy who treated her like kitten and leaves her alone in the house all the time.
Guess the moral is also that "b*tches get what they deserve".

Well after all this manga is called sasuke it is natural that he gets everything he wants by the way who is naruto?

Edited by soshi, 16 November 2014 - 07:37 PM.

[Exact]

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Well after all this manga is called sasuke it is natural that he gets everything he wants by the way who is naruto?

Who know's? Only history will tell us.