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[Tsuki Hoshino]

And hopefully I don't get hurt  

DUDE what time is it where you live? its like 8:03 Pm here and dark as can be! not to mention frigid as Sasuke's heart pre-699.

[NSmakessense]

Gotta go and write my essay now. But before I leave, I want to post this hilarious ova about Itachi. Pretty sure some of you might have seen it already:

https://www.youtube....h?v=3M8HzSeGn08

Awesome XD Itachi was the cool Uchiha

[NSmakessense]

DUDE what time is it where you live? its like 8:03 Pm here and dark as can be! not to mention frigid as Sasuke's heart pre-699.

Sauce hadn't a cold heart he loved Sakura all along, he was just being shy

Edited by NSmakessense, 16 November 2014 - 01:21 AM.

[SuperSilverStar]

All i did was make a post about how the ending makes no sense,then they came to post and said i was in denial and how i should be locked up in a Mental hospital and a bunch of other stuff.

But you just said that you insulted their ship and that it was bs. Doing things like that is not allowed on this forum, especially bringing it up here.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Sauce hadn't a cold heart he loved Sakura all along, he was just being shy

I totes read it wrong My bad.

[Gaara's hair]

Don't kill yourself!!     

I didn't, I live!

 

NO. do NOT TRUST basketballs.

they are vicious little kittens.

Stupid ball wouldn't go in and I lost!

 

DUDE what time is it where you live? its like 8:03 Pm here and dark as can be! not to mention frigid as Sasuke's heart pre-699.

It was 5 pm and a little cold.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I didn't, I live!

 

Stupid ball wouldn't go in and I lost!

 

It was 5 pm and a little cold.

Hmm, Its like...30 degrees here. Cold Cold Cold. 

[MangaReader]

*insert joke here... seriously just pick one cause that's what we've come to lol

[Nefertieh]

No? How is establishing plot significant characters with backgrounds, prominent subplots linking various other characters specially intended to serve as a point of interest for them, basing several different antagonist around them as parallels, helping to influence the mythos of the universe, and acting as a driving force for the protagonist not perceived as controversial?

 

Because at that instance, he was admitting to the fact that he hadn't even created a story to begin with. Just to put things into perspective: there are no "character existence wars" akin to shipping wars in the fandom.

 

Sasuke's introduction into the story and his morally actions has been the source of much debate and interest for the fans since the beginning. A number of questions that Kishi has been given pertain to Sasuke, his ideological framework, and what he'll do next. He's largely considered to be the most relevant character in the series after Naruto. I dare say Sasuke's existence has posed a greater conundrum for the manga itself than the romance subplot.

 

I'm not undermining Sasuke's existence in the least. And there would controversy if Kishimoto hypothetically, announced in an interview that he planned for Sasuke to die up until two years ago, when suddenly he decided to keep him alive. The bottom line is that he's never said he's changed the story significantly because of fan/ editorial pressure. Sasuke's creation was all about the story before there even was one.
 

The other events I referenced are not, by and large, of much consequence. You could make a theory describing how Neji's survival and untimely demise in the most convenient of places when Naruto and Hinata are close together in a dangerous scenario where emotions were running high might have helped to influence the ultimate fate of NH. It's a loose connection though, and I would prefer not to believe that Neji's final moments, even if I may not be interested in him too much as a character, were used to jump-start a reciprocation of Hinata's unhealthy "love" for Naruto.

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at. That Neji's death seemed to be forced to make NH happen? No, no, they've shoehorned in a movie for NH.

 

 

Editorial influences of a magnitude like the one described above with Sasuke give a clear example of just how much influence these men hold over Kishi's work. They not only created a character who has made it to the #1 spot on various popularity votes made and published, but it influenced the direction of the romance subplot. Now think to yourself on where the manga would be if Sasuke and the whole Uchiha plot concept had never been introduced. Would the series be better off? Many of us here would argue so. But how the core Japanese fanbase would interpret the series is a mystery. Personally, I think that the Uchiha has helped to raise interest for the series more than what it's taken away.

 

I've never said the editors don't hold any influence over Kishimoto's work. I'm just saying that he's going to make himself look bad if he announced his editors made him change the endgame pairing, and he'd also make his editors look bad for controlling him.

 

Really? And constantly alluding to the significance of the employers' and editors' influence whenever this character or this concept was introduced isn't perceived as a breach of trust between just them?

 

Not in the least. I would agree with you if Kishimoto said didn't want to create Sasuke, or that he doesn't like Sasuke's existence in the manga -- but that simply isn't the case. The only thing he's said that could be considered to be slightly rude to his editors was giving Taka fights, and cutting out a planned Pain/ Tsunade fight.

 

There's a big difference between "oh, I couldn't fit some fights into the story" and "Naruto and Sakura can't be together because my editors changed the whole ending of the series that I've said I've planned since the very beginning."

 

 

Neither will it do any good to pretend that neglecting the screen-time of important side-characters like Tsunade was a decision he personally wanted.

I don't understand why it's so difficult for Kishi to admit that he was unable to accomplish everything he hoped for in his ending or that that things didn't go quite according to plan with this resolution. 

 

Tsunade missing out a fight is hardly as significant in terms of the overall story compared to the endgame pairings.

 

I'm equally as upset as about this as any other narusaku fan. But the whole narusaku relationship subplot has been swept under a rug for NH. While it may be clear as night and day to anyone who's actually read the manga, it's again an idiotic move to admit you changed your story because of outside forces. Why is it hard?

 

- Because it will make him look like a tool.

- Because it will make him look like a tool who was dumb enough to admit he was a tool.

- Because he has a new NH movie coming out and he probably doesn't want people to think Hinata got where she was thanks to editors/ fan pressure/ money.

 

At best, you could maybe hear him say something vague about the series like he "accomplish everything he hoped for in his ending". But to say his final pairings were 180 from what he envisioned? Unlikely.

 

Again, that begs the question of why and when he chose to side with the interests of popularity over consistency. Did Kishi allow NH and SS because he personally had the wishes of this "majority" in his heart or was it through the coercion of those he works with?

I want to understand just how much enthusiasm Kishi holds for this lacklustre ending to his manga and for the subject matter of this movie. Does it excite him to be asked about Hinata's love finally being requited in a movie that was tailor-made for her? Is Sasuke's out of character romantic epiphany for Sakura an intended plot device or was it a recent concept? Just analysing the tension, wording, and context of the sentences chosen for his responces in interviews could help shed some light on what Kishi is actually thinking.

 

Because consistency doesn't please the bigger slices of the fanbase?

 

Kishimoto's assistance's Tweets pretty much confirmed SS was just a recent concept (he said he was unsure they'd be together). While I'm sure we could do a bit of detective work on his interviews to determine what he was thinking and whatnot, you have to remember we might not always be right, and even if we were, he could always just change his mind.

 

 

Which ended up being a piss-poor attempt to try and salvage what value she had left as a fighter while making her appear not so obsolete beside her godlike teammates. Her succession of Tsunade and the role of her latent genjutsu potential playing deciding factor in her becoming a stronger shinobi was never brought up again in the manga. Instead we receive a brief caption from some spoiler pages out of the anime studio's movie informing us that she inherited Tsunade's skills and reputation as the greatest medic in Konoha. How does this prove who the superior kunoichi is? She never got the opportunity to properly and thoroughly showcase any stronger abilities or refined fighting styles. She hasn't proven herself to have better resilience than her teacher who was grossly mutilated and continued fighting as if it were nothing on two different occasions. Her precious Byakugou jutsu holds no discernible qualities that set it apart or make it better from Tsunade's. In terms of accomplishments in the medical field, Tsunade still holds that honour. All of what Sakura has learned came from Tsunade originally. It isn't like Naruto's Rasenshuriken which the toad sages noted was a unique ability they had never seen before.

 

In the end, Kishi was unable to make good on the assurances he made to Sakura, but I digress. If Kishi intended for NH to occur some time after the interview he gave of Sakura acting more heroine-like then he did a lousy job of building it up. In fact, instead of trying set the boundaries of NS's friendship, he took it one step further with the parallels made to Minato, Kushina, the dream for Hokageship, and the 4th Databook's contents concerning Naruto (as well as the lack of reference to Hinata).

 

I agree that Sakura has effectively been assassinated by Kishimoto himself, especially now that we've learned she's the housemaid wife of a man who has tried to kill her several times before she was twenty, who also happens to be never home. Nevertheless, my point was that Kishimoto can dodge his questions easily.

 

Well, I didn't say he gave up on NS corresponded to what chapter was released that week. You have to remember mangaka tend to write their story far more advanced than what we see, not to mention his father did die not too long ago. =\ It's not very likely that he only decided to change the pairings just a few weeks ago 699 was out, given that the animation for the movie was already completed months ago (about a year according to people on Tumblr, I don't have a reliable source for it though).

 

Once again, I'm not suggesting that Kishi state outright that he sold his manga. But an explanation for how he came to choose the characters and setting for the epilogue is wanted. The questions being asked could worded in a manner that he's normally accustomed to like when and why he made this character, what he intends to do to resolve this conflict, or how the story will pan out from this point in time. If he admits that this wasn't exactly what he originally intended to do then it's no better or worse for him now since he's already appealed to the masses with this ending and the movie.

 

Then you'll either probably never get an answer you want, if you get one at all. So far, he's only had nothing but good things to say about the movie.

 

Information can be gleaned just the sentences and cryptic statements that Kishi gives in interviews. It's how his responce to the hope of seeing Hinata confess to Naruto is now being addressed in the movie (supposedly).

You may not see any value with this tactic, but I do.

 

I'm not saying your analysis of how Kishimoto says something is not of value. In fact, I'm not talking about you at all. I'm saying what he says is what is going to matter to his employers, when they read it for themselves. In other words, sugarcoating over the fact that his bosses changed his entire story to a published magazine is going to undoubtedly have ramifications for himself.

 

On the other hand, if he was too vague, then you're not going to find the answer you hoped for. Can you imagine if he said "the ending, my editor helped me with that!"? That could mean anything from his editor helped him fill to gaps to the editor decided who should be with who.

 

I am not arguing for Kishi to self-denigrate himself and ruin his career by admitting how he bent to the crooked dealings of his employers. What I want to know is whether this ending was the motive he held all along for the characters. Does he wish he could have done more to convey this shift in the atmosphere and temperament? These questions can trace back to the possible influences of editors (something which Kishi has already admitted was real), but they're not incriminating anyone.
 

Kishi may be toeing the party line, but that doesn't mean he's above expressing disapproval or regret over some of the choices he made with his writing. Whether it's loosely defined or directly commented on, he does express at least some of his opinions for the manga when asked questions during interviews.
 

I can agree with you on this issue. If Kishi actually had an alternative in mind then he's not going to hint at any disagreement with the direction Pierrot is taking until at least some time down the road.

 

I know what you want. But I just don't think we can expect Kishimoto to dish out the answer in a clear-cut way for narusaku fans to be satisfied with. Something about shifting the atmosphere or mood? I don't think he's ever been into that much detail about his art, although he did say Sakura's confession to Sasuke in Part I was acted out by him and his editor, then laughed about it. We could infer he considered SS to be a joke, but then 699 happened.

 

I hope the Japanese fans do voice their disapproval at the ending if the disliked it. Sometimes, I feel like us NS fans aren't very loud because we have so much NS moments in the manga that it leaves us content. If the movie tanked, then it could be likely that Kishimoto express some regret... although there seems to be enough NH fans around for the movie to float, if SP's marketing research is done right.

Edited by Nefertieh, 16 November 2014 - 11:50 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think it's offensive enough that Shoujo took over Shounen here. I don't hate/dislike Shoujo, but you know the saying, "I went here to escape from there."

[Aeria7Gloris]

Is anyone still talking about the chapters here? lol

 

I just noticed that we don't see Hanabi at all in 700, she's not even mentioned, isn't that weird?

Don't talk to me about "it would be a spoiler bla bla" because pairings are really more of a big deal and yet they spoiled them in 700. Wth where is she? Does the whole Hyuga clan has to be killed or vanish for NH?

 

Sorry if someone already said it, I didn't have the courage to catch up

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sigh...Dammit...

 

http://ladygt.tumblr...s-awesome-video

[natalieuciha]

honestly the only thing that would make me satissfied after all this crap with nh/ss is canon is part 3 revealing that naruto is misserable with his life with hinata...i know im evil i  know i shouldnt wish this but this would prove to all nh fans that hinata is not and was never the right woman for naruto and nh was never meant to be

[TouKen4Life3g]

honestly the only thing that would make me satissfied after all this crap with nh/ss is canon is part 3 revealing that naruto is misserable with his life with hinata...i know im evil i  know i shouldnt wish this but this would prove to all nh fans that hinata is not and was never the right woman for naruto and nh was never meant to be

enkai93.tumblr.com/post/102742791846

 

I have no shame. I laughed.

[natalieuciha]

enkai93.tumblr.com/post/102742791846

 

I have no shame. I laughed.

we already have some hints that naruto is not happy in his marriage..i think i saw sake on his burreau and he seems to be drowning himself in work..he also hardly smiled in 700..these are common symptoms for men who are not happy in their marriage

Edited by natalieuciha, 16 November 2014 - 02:21 PM.

[Sherry]

Gotta go and write my essay now. But before I leave, I want to post this hilarious ova about Itachi. Pretty sure some of you might have seen it already:

https://www.youtube....h?v=3M8HzSeGn08

 

I LOLed more than I should, I'm sorry Itachi.

 

it's bashing

Well if Bolt could mean screw....

then the last chapter bolted (screwed) us up!

I'm just joking, I'm sorry, I don't know how to handle this

 

[FireFox]

we already have some hints that naruto is not happy in his marriage..i think i saw sake on his burreau and he seems to be drowning himself in work..he also hardly smiled in 700..these are common symptoms for men who are not happy in their marriage

The fact that he has neglected his child and family is already enough proof of it  the rest with the ramen cups the sake not showing his usual bright smile is a bonus  this is why I keep asking myself how can NH/SS be happy with this crap  when it kittens on the reasons which they thought that NH/SS is "prefect"  . I guess the level of hypocrisy is just to great in them  at least it proves our views on them correct , they never really did care about the characters the story or how their paring looks  it doesn't matter as long as they are canon  sign.

[Atheck]

Because at that instance, he was admitting to the fact that he hadn't even created a story to begin with. Just to put things into perspective: there are no "character existence wars" akin to shipping wars in the fandom.

Why is that? Because the characters' existences have already been set in stone before many of the proponents and dissidents of pairing wars were aware of Naruto's existence. Make no mistake. There are many fans who question, if not downright resent the fact that these characters were introduced period. The contradictory actions and detestable moral value of Sasuke interests a number of people, but it also causes a number of others to evaluate his worth and deservingness for his integral role to the plot and the number of benefits he receives that inversely challenge the underdog status of Naruto's character who needed to overcome adversity and trial to get where he is now. The sway he holds in the hearts of several different girls, including Sakura, and the acts they commit to protect and make him happy are a core example of that unworthy status.
 
 

I'm not undermining Sasuke's existence in the least.

No, but it sounds like you are trying to undervalue Kishi's character conception process. He was never originally intended to be in the manga period. Just imagine how drastic the contrast of a story focused on Naruto's journey would be without the existence of Sasuke. It would remove at least 50% of the original plotline and a core fact of his charactersiation. This may or may not have left the road unblocked to becoming the most beloved and honoured in Sakura's heart without any of the internal conflict over other boys.
 

And there would controversy if Kishimoto hypothetically, announced in an interview that he planned for Sasuke to die up until two years ago, when suddenly he decided to keep him alive.

But he didn't announce or allude to such a plot development, did he? In fact if he had, I would expect there to be some level of outcry with the announcement itself. Sasuke's death implies that Naruto ultimately was unable to prevent the generational conflict that had consumed the lives of predecessors like Hashirama and Madara. Many fans would be arguing that it's a betrayal of Naruto's unbending moral code.
 

The bottom line is that he's never said he's changed the story significantly because of fan/ editorial pressure.

Not to our knowledge. Remember, we're not certain of just how much influence the editors and fans over the direction of the manga. Kishi generally provides only a few interviews or statements per year, and in many of them he only obliges questions that relate specifically to character traits or the unknown future of a conflict (his admittance to not having a set method for defeating Madara is a case in point).
 

Sasuke's creation was all about the story before there even was one.

The story eventually came to revolve around Sasuke over time as Kishi incorporated his background and deuteragonist status into the script, but the story was always told from the perspective of and dedicated to Naruto. The bare bones concept and world would have needed to have already been created in Kishi's mind to have give any thought to rivals or heroines.
 

I'm not sure what you're getting at. That Neji's death seemed to be forced to make NH happen? No, no, they've shoehorned in a movie for NH.

Oh no, I think there were signs pointing towards the possibility of Neji's death through some of his quotes about the fatalistic nature of death, his stern (and originally harsh) overbearance when it comes to Hinata (his brotherly stature and mannerisms remind me of Itachi somewhat), the tragic events that seem to rotate around his life, and the sacrificial undertones of his character.

The context of my responce regarding Neji was to admit that there was controversy amongst the fans regarding the intimate final moments of his life that were shared with Naruto and Hinata. His death may not have been a means to an end in Kishi's mind for the romance subplot, but I do believe that the death could be twisted and used to reinforce the possibility of NH.
 
 

I've never said the editors don't hold any influence over Kishimoto's work. I'm just saying that he's going to make himself look bad if he announced his editors made him change the endgame pairing, and he'd also make his editors look bad for controlling him.

I'm not saying your analysis of how Kishimoto says something is not of value. In fact, I'm not talking about you at all. I'm saying what he says is what is going to matter to his employers, when they read it for themselves. In other words, sugarcoating over the fact that his bosses changed his entire story to a published magazine is going to undoubtedly have ramifications for himself.

A statement about the changed ending does not have to incriminate or even reference the editors. I've repeated this point several different times now. Kishi has dodged and mitigated unfavourable questions before. He knows how to properly articulate his replies so that he's only addressing the plot and the changes that came to it from his own interpretation. If he's going to reference his editors/assistants/managers then he'll do so in a manner that does not paint Kishi's viewpoint of them in a negative light.

We've seen this before in interviews and with the commments Kishi has made in the manga about the drawing process, so acknowledging faults is nothing out of the ordinary. If Kishi can avoid ramifications after passionately denying both fan-based and professional claims of Sakura not being the main character then a loosely defined statement with a neutral speech pattern about hoping to accomplish more with his ending should not be detrimental to his career.
 

Not in the least. I would agree with you if Kishimoto said didn't want to create Sasuke, or that he doesn't like Sasuke's existence in the manga -- but that simply isn't the case.

Regardless of Kishi's later preference for drawing and writing Sasuke, it still violates the confidentiality of the behind scenes dialogue between architects of the Naruto manga.
 

The only thing he's said that could be considered to be slightly rude to his editors was giving Taka fights, and cutting out a planned Pain/ Tsunade fight.

There are more examples of Kishi's subtle disapproval for some his editors that can be found in interviews and in his early narratives about the process and his background that came with the chapters. One example is his defiance towards Sakura being the true heroine of the series instead of Hinata that were introduced to Kishi by these editors that carried an underlying emotional responce from Kishi.
 

There's a big difference between "oh, I couldn't fit some fights into the story" and "Naruto and Sakura can't be together because my editors changed the whole ending of the series that I've said I've planned since the very beginning."

To those of us who value the final romantic outcomes for Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura, yes. Much of Kishi's fanbase is only concerned with the story (how you could separate the two is odd, but it does happen) and the shonen elements. The interviewers and Kishi could place a big emphasis on romance if they want like in this movie, but depending on how they choose to portray their reactions, it could be looked upon as a minor part of the finale.

The romantic aspects are only possible with the creation of these characters, and loosely, the ending of the fights. Naruto and Sasuke's battle has been an intended outcome since Kishi fist resolved Sasuke to abandon the village (which was only possible in the first place because of editorial influencing the creation of Sasuke). How it panned out and the emotional repercussions it would hold for the characters involved would dictate who becomes romantically involved with who.
 

Tsunade missing out a fight is hardly as significant in terms of the overall story compared to the endgame pairings.

 
Tsunade's fight with God Realm is only considered unimportant because we never saw it pan out. The consequences it would have held to both characters might have been permanently impactful to Tsunade's character, just as Kakashi's fight in that arc helped him to come to terms with the death of his father and his important in the lives of the younger generation, if only we had seen it happen.
 

I'm equally as upset as about this as any other narusaku fan. But the whole narusaku relationship subplot has been swept under a rug for NH. While it may be clear as night and day to anyone who's actually read the manga, it's again an idiotic move to admit you changed your story because of outside forces. Why is it hard?
 
- Because it will make him look like a tool.
- Because it will make him look like a tool who was dumb enough to admit he was a tool.
- Because he has a new NH movie coming out and he probably doesn't want people to think Hinata got where she was thanks to editors/ fan pressure/ money.

Incrimination and finger-pointing isn't the same as acknowledging the faults in your story.

How does it make him a tool to acknowledge that his ending had faults? That it wasn't precisely what he had in mind? Or that he intended to accomplish more but couldn't for some excuse like providing the anime studio the opportunity to play a role in laying out the bridgework between events in the canon story (word choice is important)?

An admittance of imperfection with his script shouldn't be misconstrued (something which I think most writers will admit to suffering from regardless of editors or coercive movie studios). It's not the same as coming out in an interview of having been the victim of aggressive arm-twisting to force a perceived fan favourite pairing while telling off the employers who disagreed with his desired image of the manga.
 

At best, you could maybe hear him say something vague about the series like he "accomplish everything he hoped for in his ending". But to say his final pairings were 180 from what he envisioned? Unlikely.

Kishi doesn't need to over exaggerate his preference for a more personally favourable outcome to the romance subplot. A carefully worded statement concerning the dreams and desires of Naruto or Sakura would not be implicating or betraying the trust of anyone who guided him along.
 

Because consistency doesn't please the bigger slices of the fanbase?

Then they're not fans of the manga Kishi wrote, are they?
 

Kishimoto's assistance's Tweets pretty much confirmed SS was just a recent concept (he said he was unsure they'd be together). While I'm sure we could do a bit of detective work on his interviews to determine what he was thinking and whatnot, you have to remember we might not always be right, and even if we were, he could always just change his mind.

We're not aware of the circumstances behind the assistance's confusion. He could have been masking a desire to see Sakura and Sasuke together or a distaste for NaruSaku with uncertainty. With the jab he made by challenging Sakura's heroine status, it's obvious he doesn't share Kishi's viewpoint, at least regarding his female cast lead.

The spontaneous decisions made aren't going to reflect Kishi's original hopes exactly. That's why you look towards the interviews and the Databook for inside information about his sentiments (whether it be overt or subtly expressed) on the matter.
 

I agree that Sakura has effectively been assassinated by Kishimoto himself, especially now that we've learned she's the housemaid wife of a man who has tried to kill her several times before she was twenty, who also happens to be never home. Nevertheless, my point was that Kishimoto can dodge his questions easily.

Not if he's asked a question that directly forces him to make a responce on the issue (albeit it would be one that's challenging just Kishi, not the authority of Kishi's bosses). An attempt to dance around the issue or mislead the questioners could be looked upon as a concession of guilt anyway.
 

Well, I didn't say he gave up on NS corresponded to what chapter was released that week. You have to remember mangaka tend to write their story far more advanced than what we see, not to mention his father did die not too long ago. =\

It's not very likely that he only decided to change the pairings just a few weeks ago 699 was out, given that the animation for the movie was already completed months ago (about a year according to people on Tumblr, I don't have a reliable source for it though).

This is nothing new. Several of the members on this forum have cited the stress of Kishi's father's death and his weariness over drawing for so long as possible reasons for him acting more susceptible to whisperings.

Yet Kishi persisted in muddying the value of SS with vicious emotional attacks between the two characters while NH was left undeveloped to the point of mockery with Hinata's symbolical failure to be at Naruto's side when he was dying and the lack of properly muffling NS's romantic underpinnings in neither the manga or the fourth Databook (which is even more recently conceptualised than this movie).

If Kishi had actually intended for this ending to take place the way it did many months back during the development process of The Last then he did a piss poor of conveying it as he mislead readers almost to the point where it could be interpreted as false advertisement in some ways.
 

Then you'll either probably never get an answer you want, if you get one at all. So far, he's only had nothing but good things to say about the movie.

 
Of course. The Last is still in the promotional step of the marketing cycle. No one is going to make any blatantly critical statements right now when the looming financial prospects of a movie and mini-series are in the works. But with loose comments offered that are along the same lines as the "sorrow" he apparently felt for the ending, he should have a small amount of leeway to give a vague idea of his opinions regarding the manga.
 

On the other hand, if he was too vague, then you're not going to find the answer you hoped for. Can you imagine if he said "the ending, my editor helped me with that!"? That could mean anything from his editor helped him fill to gaps to the editor decided who should be with who.

Kishi needs to find a balance between vagueness and forthrightness. Conveying a mild dissatisfaction should cause no more harm than what previous protests against those he works with might have entailed.
 

I hope the Japanese fans do voice their disapproval at the ending if the disliked it. Sometimes, I feel like us NS fans aren't very loud because we have so much NS moments in the manga that it leaves us content. If the movie tanked, then it could be likely that Kishimoto express some regret... although there seems to be enough NH fans around for the movie to float, if SP's marketing research is done right.

Enough to be a financial success? Yes. Enough to become the highest grossing movie in the series like RtN did? Arguable. The final marketing result may hinge on the dissatisfaction that many fans hold towards the ending and if it's dissuaded them from watching a movie that's only going to reinforce its nonsensical nature.

Other than the older fans becoming tired with the series, the marketers and executives at Pierrot will likely guess that the smaller turnout for the movie stems from the harsh sentiments felt regarding the "shocking ending" of the manga. Regardless, I'm still confident in the notion that Kishi is able to express the true meaning of intentions through the emotions and wordplay in the interviews he participates in.