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[bthug]

Oh relax guys, i was just kidding about the sex in the manga, clearly that would ruin it. They have a real loving relationship.

I haven't really thought of it much, but I ship NaruSaku cause Naruto is the main character, the underdog, and he said he likes Sakura. I actually like Sakura, I like how she keeps him in check, cares about him, not to mention they are very similar. Also I would

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I think simple is the key word for NaruHina.

I've come up with a few ideas pertaining to why people ship what they ship, and it all comes down to a person's own personality and their desires. This is what happens when you start getting into psychology.

Not to generalize, but typically female NaruSaku fans ship the pairing because they see themselves in Sakura, with a confident personality or what have you, and they personally want/have/desire a guy like Naruto. On the flip side, male NS shippers support it because they see themselves as Naruto, and they sympathize with his struggles to gain Sakura's affection, and they are attracted to girls like Sakura.

Now, on the NaruHina side, it's a slightly different case. The female NaruHina fans, same as NS shippers, see themselves as Hinata; shy, introverted, timid, etc. They want a guy like Naruto. Male NH shippers go back to the simple point; she's shy and has boobs. I don't know why (since it doesn't pertain to me), but for some reason, a lot of guys find that sort of combination attractive. The majority of NH fans are male, so you can see exactly why that is.

A lot of people don't like Sakura because, as you said, she's not simple; she's complicated, irritable, feisty, and confident. It's a weird and really degrading psychological thing, but a lot of guys want to have power over the relationship; they don't want someone that will challenge them, or actually be able to argue with them. And the female fans dislike her because they themselves want to be that confident, sassy girl; or they find themselves relating to Sakura's imperfections, and the don't like that.

...I don't know where I was going with this. D:

I kind of have to disagree here. Speaking of myself, I don't like NaruSaku or Sakura so much because I can relate to them a lot. The only thing I probably have in common with Sakura is that I'm short-tempered, blunt, sensitive, and cry a lot. However, I guilty to admit I see most of myself in Hinata. I'm not as nice as her or submissive, but she is the one I'm mostly alike to, IMO. I'm shy, introverted and like support/acknowledgement from others. However, that's exactly why Hinata or NH doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather be a confident, level-headed girl like Sakura than Hinata. I guess you can say I look up to her.

With Naruto, I can probably relate to him in some aspects. Be the best friend to your crush and always do nice things for you, but they see everyone else but you. I was in the rut for three years, never succeded. Though I feel like my crush was the real life equivalent to Sakura's crush on Sasuke. In other words, a fangirl. God, I'm so happy I grew out of that.

@StrikerTheNoble: Normally, I'd be quick to respond to that response but I can't really make out what he's saying, too bad grammar. Something about ignoring Hinata who wants to have sex with him? Naruto's horrible as a series? Quite obviously a troll that even I wouldn't want to waste my time on.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 27 February 2013 - 11:44 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I kind of have to disagree here. Speaking of myself, I don't like NaruSaku or Sakura so much because I can relate to them a lot. The only thing I probably have in common with Sakura is that I'm short-tempered, blunt, sensitive, and cry a lot. However, I guilty to admit I see most of myself in Hinata. I'm not as nice as her or submissive, but she is the one I'm mostly alike to, IMO. I'm shy, introverted and like support/acknowledgement from others. However, that's exactly why Hinata or NH doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather be a confident, level-headed girl like Sakura than Hinata. I guess you can say I look up to her.

With Naruto, I can probably relate to him in some aspects. Be the best friend to your crush and always do nice things for you, but they see everyone else but you. I was in the rut for three years, never succeded. Though I feel like my crush was the real life equivalent to Sakura's crush on Sasuke. In other words, a fangirl. God, I'm so happy I grew out of that.

@StrikerTheNoble: Normally, I'd be quick to respond to that response but I can't really make out what he's saying, too bad grammar. Something about ignoring Hinata who wants to have sex with him? Naruto's horrible as a series? Quite obviously a troll that even I wouldn't want to waste my time on.

My personal reasons to ship NS are ironicly something you would expect from a NH shipper. Ive had a "crush" (dont know if you can call it that afther 9 years (im 16)) on a girl forever just like Naruto, and shes kinda similar to Sakura in some aspects. Ive had a lot less progress than Naruto, but my point is that if he can make it maybe theres a chance for me. So thats my personal reason. Also they fit so well together.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 28 February 2013 - 12:03 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

My personal reasons to ship NS are ironicly something you would expect from a NH shipper. Ive had a "crush" (dont know if you can call it that afther 9 years (im 16)) on a girl forever just like Naruto, and shes kinda similar to Sakura in some aspects. Ive had a lot less progress than Naruto, but my point is that if he can make it maybe theres a chance for me. So thats my personal reason. Also they fit so well together.

I honestly think my biggest reason for loving NaruSaku as much as I do is just because of how devoted and selfless they are towards each other. Always thinking about the other person, always putting them before you. I also really like Sakura's journey from hating him and now wanting to do all she can for him. Not only does it showcase great development, it's ironic in a good way. That type of relationship and the type of character Sakura is appeals to me so much more than Hinata and NH. They do so much for each other, they understand each other, yet still feel undeserving of each other, even when both of them have done enough. It's just beautiful.

I really want to have something like that myself someday.

[swagosaurus]

With Naruto, I can probably relate to him in some aspects. Be the best friend to your crush and always do nice things for you, but they see everyone else but you. I was in the rut for three years, never succeded. Though I feel like my crush was the real life equivalent to Sakura's crush on Sasuke. In other words, a fangirl. God, I'm so happy I grew out of that.

I know that feel. Sort of.

And yeah, it's a bit of a generalization what I said earlier, but it's something I've noticed; it mostly holds true for the NH fans more than NS fans (since we have logical, clear reasons as to why we ship NS, rather than just being fans of Hinata).

Edited by swagosaurus, 28 February 2013 - 12:15 AM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

lol found this pic and just thaught: Romance girl when she doesnt feel like debating:


Sorry the pic doesnt work right avay but its worth a read:
Heres the link
http://images5.fanpo...360-942-849.png

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 28 February 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[sushi.]

I know that feel. Sort of.

And yeah, it's a bit of a generalization what I said earlier, but it's something I've noticed; it mostly holds true for the NH fans more than NS fans (since we have logical, clear reasons as to why we ship NS, rather than just being fans of Hinata).

Yeah, NH fans are rarely Naruto fans, because there's nothing but Hinata in their ship. (again, this is generalization) In NS, they are equal in the way that both of them brings fire/light to their bond.

[swagosaurus]

Yeah, NH fans are rarely Naruto fans, because there's nothing but Hinata in their ship. (again, this is generalization) In NS, they are equal in the way that both of them brings fire/light to their bond.

I think that's one of the most beautiful things about NS; it's equal and balanced. Heaven and Earth, literally.

If SS were to happen, Sasuke wouldn't let Sakura be equal to him; he's already seen her as weak, and if he has this much trouble accepting Naruto as his equal, there's no way he would accept Sakura as that.

And if NH happens, Hinata is wayyyy too shy and timid to actually stand up to Naruto. 615 was a war scenario; she used Neji's death to be able to snap Naruto out of his funk. It wouldn't work in an every day scenario, outside of the war, otherwise Hinata would be wayyyy too OOC.

But in NS, they balance each other out; neither is more dominant than the other (Though I think Sakura is in some cases, ). The confession scene is proof of that.

Edited by swagosaurus, 28 February 2013 - 12:32 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

lol found this pic and just thaught: Romance girl when she doesnt feel like debating:


Sorry the pic doesnt work right avay but its worth a read:
Heres the link
http://images5.fanpo...360-942-849.png

Lmao, me in almost every debate with a SasuSaku fan. Though I do think Sakura still loves Sasuke and would never insult her for it because I see she's getting over him little by little.

I actually just tell every SasuSaku fan when I run into them how dead their pairing is, only when they are arguing that it will happen. Like when I say a SS fan say the playboy scene with the rose was a pro-SS moment because real Sasuke cares for him and T7 deep down, really couldn't help it. I give NaruHina fans benefit of the doubt because I can see their pairing is possible. Maybe not as possible as NS, but plausible nonetheless.

[bthug]

There is one thing I have always been completely sure about and that is SS will never happen

[Branden]

I think that's one of the most beautiful things about NS; it's equal and balanced. Heaven and Earth, literally.

If SS were to happen, Sasuke wouldn't let Sakura be equal to him; he's already seen her as weak, and if he has this much trouble accepting Naruto as his equal, there's no way he would accept Sakura as that.

And if NH happens, Hinata is wayyyy too shy and timid to actually stand up to Naruto. 615 was a war scenario; she used Neji's death to be able to snap Naruto out of his funk. It wouldn't work in an every day scenario, outside of the war, otherwise Hinata would be wayyyy too OOC.

But in NS, they balance each other out; neither is more dominant than the other (Though I think Sakura is in some cases, ). The confession scene is proof of that.

Exactly.

What kind of shounen battle manga hero is going to have an overly sweet romance? With NaruSaku their relationship would be an entertaining and dynamic one rather then an overly sweet one. Kind of like Goku and Chichi or Yusuke and Keiko. Yes they get really heartwarming when they need to be but they aren't going to be that way 24/7, and that's what makes them enjoyable.


Honestly do you think NaruHina really makes sense in a shounen battle manga?

[Baguette]

Honestly do you think NaruHina really makes sense in a shounen battle manga?

To be fair, shounen battle mangas are usually geared towards teenage/prepubescent boys. As has been said before, teenage/prepubescent boys usually picture shy, big-breasted girls as the ideal stereotype.
Connect the dots...and, well, NaruHina may have a chance after all.

Edited by Baguette, 28 February 2013 - 06:31 AM.

[PhenixElite]

To be fair, shounen battle mangas are usually geared towards teenage/prepubescent boys. As has been said before, teenage/prepubescent boys usually picture shy, big-breasted girls as the ideal stereotype.
Connect the dots...well, NaruHina may have a chance after all.

Your talking about some kind prepubescent boys in real life, but this has nothing to do with characteristics of shonen heroes.

Japanese dont see things that way.

Edited by PhenixElite, 28 February 2013 - 06:33 AM.

[redragon88]

To be fair, shounen battle mangas are usually geared towards teenage/prepubescent boys. As has been said before, teenage/prepubescent boys usually picture shy, big-breasted girls as the ideal stereotype.
Connect the dots...and, well, NaruHina may have a chance after all.

As far as I know the typical female lead in a battle story whether it's in the east or west is usually a girl who is confident and fearless. I have never in my life heard of a shy heroine, not even in western animation, so I really don't get where on earth are you making that assumption.

Shy girls aren't ideal, they are just easy, that's the appeal. I have the feeling that the majority of guys would prefer the energetic girl, but since it represents a more difficult challenge they back off from the possibility.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I for one love energetic girl. Then again, I am with one. But really, this is Shounen and it's usually the case. Sometimes, outside of Shounen, you get the same premise. Why else anime overplay for many tsundere in many anime. It's not just Naruto, it's just how they like it. Trust me, there are worse than Sakura.

[Baguette]

Your talking about some kind prepubescent boys in real life, but this has nothing to do with characteristics of shonen heroes.

Japanese dont see things that way.

I can't speak directly for Japanese people, but I do come from Taiwan, which was under Japanese rule for much of its history, and our cultures still remain similar in many ways.
Sometimes I feel, from past experience, that people talk about the Japanese and other Asians as if we are from a different planet, when in reality we aren't all that different from Westerners.
Sure, some gestures and expressions hold slightly different connotations, but for everything that exists in one culture, you can almost assuredly find a relevant counterpart in the other.

That's kinda why I would think that, yes, there are many Japanese people who see things that way, that there exists a large audience that prefers this stereotype in Shonen mangas, and that in some cases the writer may indulge such an audience, just as writers from any country may do for marketing purposes.

Edited by Baguette, 28 February 2013 - 07:10 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I can't speak directly for Japanese people, but I do come from Taiwan, which was under Japanese rule for much of its history, and our cultures still remain similar in many ways.
Sometimes I feel, from past experience, that people talk about the Japanese and other Asians as if we are from a different planet, when in reality we aren't all that different from Westerners.
Sure, some gestures and expressions hold slightly different connotations, but for everything that exists in one culture, you can almost assuredly find a relevant counterpart in the other.

That's kinda why I would think that, yes, there are many Japanese people who see things that way, that there exists a large audience that prefers this stereotype in Shonen mangas, and that in some cases the writer may indulge such an audience, just as writers from any country may do for marketing purposes.

We are all not that different, honestly. Heck, even in American cartoon suggest nothing like NaruHina, rather much lively and sometimes, you get a NaruSaku resemblance. Live shows usually got that "We'll, we hung out so long, how about going out." The high level live action is more complicated, but let's not go there. The point is that I don't recall the last time I see a shy person with wild person, let alone a side character with main character, though there must be requirements to fill. I explained this a long time ago.

[Baguette]

We are all not that different, honestly. Heck, even in American cartoon suggest nothing like NaruHina, rather much lively and sometimes, you get a NaruSaku resemblance. Live shows usually got that "We'll, we hung out so long, how about going out." The high level live action is more complicated, but let's not go there. The point is that I don't recall the last time I see a shy person with wild person, let alone a side character with main character, though there must be requirements to fill. I explained this a long time ago.

Don't let the NaruHina fans catch you saying that.
God the "opposites attract" argument gets pounded into my head so often that sometimes I'm inclined to believe it myself.
And sorry if I missed your explanation from before, I'm relatively new here and haven't caught up on everything just yet.

Edited by Baguette, 28 February 2013 - 07:19 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Don't let the NaruHina fans catch you saying that.
God the "opposites attract" argument gets pounded into my head so often that sometimes I'm inclined to believe it myself.
And sorry if I missed your explanation from before, I'm relatively new here and haven't caught up on everything just yet.

Oh, it's no worries. I'm not blaming you for making me repeat or anything. It's just that I recalled talking about it. The opposite attract argument could work (maybe) but I don't recall to see anything like it for a long, long time. I always see the usual hero/heroine love. Naruto shouldn't be hard to pick up but I'll wait to really say it with confident. But that's the thing, I want to because the story flow too much of NS. So pretty much, anything else happens will be a stab in the back and just disheartening as making false facts of a historical event in movies.

[PhenixElite]

That's kinda why I would think that, yes, there are many Japanese people who see things that way, that there exists a large audience that prefers this stereotype in Shonen mangas, and that in some cases the writer may indulge such an audience, just as writers from any country may do for marketing purposes.

The only question is: If the concept of quiet shy girls is that beloved by the japanese audience, why is it a fact that in shonen the hero almost always ends up with the tsundere heroine? I suggest it should be nearly always the shy girl ending up with the hero if they prefer woman of that kind that much, but this is not the case.