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[Nate River]

On the bright side, you may end up with the first pick in the draft next year! Question is: Do you take Andrew Luck or a receiver like Julio Jones/A.J. Green?

Still ambivalent about my Seahawks. 5-5 yet leading the division. Played better in their loss to the Saints than the score indicates. Yet still not very good.

Yeah, it's all we have. We are the worst team in the league. End of story.

I don't know. This past year we drafted two quaterbacks (Clausen and Pike) and at least three recivers (Gettis, Edwards, and LaFell). Edwards is a project, though Gettis looks like he may be good. We have RB issues (too many injuries) and OL issues as well. The offense is such a mess.

If we drafted either we'd have 1 rookie QB + 2 first years or 3 first receivers + 1 rookie. Yikes. To be honest I'd seriously consider trading Steve Smith. He still has value and by the time the Panthers are respectable he may be in his mid 30's. He's struggling, but without a QB AND a legit #2 he's wasted on this team. If Williams and Stewart ever regain their 08 and 09 form then it might be shorter, but who knows.

I'd probably go QB over WR because we've done well with only Smith and because franchise QB's are much harder to come by. That and Gettis is has looked better than anyone among that bunch. I'm just not sold that Luck is one of those QB's. If he isn't then why taken another QB without giving Pike and Clausen any chance to develop. If he is, you take the Lions approach with Calvin Johnson. Yeah, you drafted QB's, but you can't worry about what you did last year with a choice like that.

The other possibity is drafting and Offensive lineman, but I don't know who is available.

It may be worth finding a aging vertern QB to stink up the joint for a season or two so the draft picks have time to develop.

[Insurrection]

Brad Childress as predicted has been fired.


@Nate

Hey you sounded like us last year with Stephen Jackson. Except we drafted a Quarterback last year and now we have him and don't have any reciever core. If we had a couple #1 recievers with a healthy version of the core we wouldn't be discussing how bad the NFC west is right now.

I miss Isaac Bruce and Tori Holt.

Edited by Insurrection, 22 November 2010 - 06:44 PM.

[Jwolf0]

Brad Childress as predicted has been fired.


@Nate

Hey you sounded like us last year with Stephen Jackson. Except we drafted a Quarterback last year and now we have him and don't have any reciever core. If we had a couple #1 recievers with a healthy version of the core we wouldn't be discussing how bad the NFC west is right now.

I miss Isaac Bruce and Tori Holt.

Thing is that you need the franchise QB, then you need the line to protect him. I think STL did the right thing in getting Jason Smith (although I must confess that I don't how he's doing) then Sam Bradford with their two #1s. Next year may end up being a decent one for WRs anyway.

Besides, it takes more than one team to be good before you can stop discussion about how bad a division is. Look at Seattle and Arizona over the last few years.

NFC West perception from 2004-2007:

Seattle - Good team with Shaun Alexander, Matt Hasslebeck, and Walter Jones, but gotinflated wins from garbage division opponents. Made the SB in 2005 despite "not deserving" it.
St. Louis - Declining from their "Greatest Show on Turf" days
San Fran - Bad, lolAlex Smith
Arizona - "THEY WERE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!"

NFC West perception from 2008-2009:

Arizona - Good team with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, and Anquan Boldin but got inflated wins from garbage division opponents. Made the SB in 2009 despite a meh 9-7 record.
St. Louis, Seattle, San Fran - Garbage

[Mik3]

Well with the Superbowl Seahawks and Cardinals, they still had a decent core of good players with at least one top NFL star on offense.

Seattle had Shaun Alexander who was considered the top running back in the league for at least two seasons. Matt Hasselbeck benefited from it and was doing pretty well with guys like Bobby Engram and Darrell Jackson. Walter Jones was also an all pro offensive linemen. Defense was pretty good, Lofa Tatupu especially. Trufant, Boulware, and Rocky Bernard. They beat Washington with Todd Collins, not the hardest thing to do, but they did beat Carolina in the NFCCG pretty badly. The one thing I will always remember is the 12th man. Fans really got into their team. Not to knock AZ but they gained a huge bandwagon following of un-knowledgeable fans who have all but left now whereas the Seahawks fans are still around.

And Pittsburgh got two huge calls in their favor, Roethlisbergers TD run was short, replay showed it wasn't even close. And a horrible offensive pass interference on Jerramy Stevens.

2005 Seahwawks were a great team in my opinion.


2008 Cardinals, were much more flashy. Kurt Warner, Boldin and Fitz. Great offense to watch. That offense and the shock the world persona which got old super quick, is what really drawed the bandwagoners in. But they had some trollish wins. That win against Dallas that propelled them comes to mind. They benefited ALOT from playing in the NFC West, but they did something with it, beat the young matt ryan falcons, thrashed carolina at home, and Edged out the Eagles in the NFCCG. Their loss to the steelers was fair and square, Roethlisberger and Santonio Holmes just came up huge.




Right now I think Seattle has the best chance to make noise in the playoffs. Then the rams after them. Seattles got Hasselbeck, Williams and Lynch. Its the defense that needs to tighten up. It'll just take a team in the wildcard round to underestimate them and they can sneak into the division round, and from there the sky is the limit.

[Insurrection]

Thing is that you need the franchise QB, then you need the line to protect him. I think STL did the right thing in getting Jason Smith (although I must confess that I don't how he's doing) then Sam Bradford with their two #1s. Next year may end up being a decent one for WRs anyway.

Besides, it takes more than one team to be good before you can stop discussion about how bad a division is. Look at Seattle and Arizona over the last few years.

NFC West perception from 2004-2007:

Seattle - Good team with Shaun Alexander, Matt Hasslebeck, and Walter Jones, but gotinflated wins from garbage division opponents. Made the SB in 2005 despite "not deserving" it.
St. Louis - Declining from their "Greatest Show on Turf" days
San Fran - Bad, lolAlex Smith
Arizona - "THEY WERE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!"

NFC West perception from 2008-2009:

Arizona - Good team with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, and Anquan Boldin but got inflated wins from garbage division opponents. Made the SB in 2009 despite a meh 9-7 record.
St. Louis, Seattle, San Fran - Garbage

Yes, but Arizona had the time to rebuild because Kurt Warner's days were numbered anyway. The 2009 Super Bowl, while I liked the Cardinals were his last hurrah. My problem with them is that when Warner got hurt they had to ask questions on replacement. Then Anquan Boldin bolted to Baltimore.

Seattle over the past few years since their Super bowl appearance where they were robbed suffered from injuries and loss of players to other means. The coaching situation was also in flux. They were never good on the road when the team went from 9-7 to third place in a year from 2007-2008.

San Francisco has been pretty consistent on their basis. Even after losing Mike Martz with Alex Smith.

St. Louis didn't take into account that their super team of 3 straight 500 point years was going to age and falter. Things never changed and the management situation got out of hand at the same time as the Blues had and the town basically went back to Baseball instead of Sports.

So here's what the division looked like going into this year:

Seattle: Pete Carol, recently fled from USC, came into the division expecting to change the culture in Seattle of Home team only to wins outside Quest as well.
Currently: 5-5

St. Louis: For sucking a lot more than anyone else at the right time the team was allowed to have the first pick in the draft. They had no Left Offensive line and tired Defense and choice between getting Suh and a QB later on or the recently returned Sam Bradford. They choose Bradford and so far no one is no longer complaining about not getting Suh. They finish the first half 4-4 but still need to rebuild the O-line and Secondary.
Currently: 4-6

San Francisco: After finishing strong the 49er's were considered the favorites in this division. They had the most talent and Mike Singletary was thought to be a good coach after his interm session. Still had questions when it came to the Offense and Alex Smith, but no one saw what would happen at the beginning of the year. (Take that Mike Greenberg) It was just Assumptions.
Currently: 3-7

Arizona: Arizona had good players but lost their best and important ones in the offseason. Kurt Warner was the lynchpin in that offense and Matt Liner spent enough time that people thought he was ready. But after a terrible preseason Anderson became the QB. No one knew what exactly the loss of Warner and Boldin would do to the team. They beat St. Louis in a close game at the beginning of the year but that didn't prove anything.
Currently 3-7

My point of discussing the NFC west is because 3/4 of the division is under .500 and the leader is at .500 if there was a team that was .750 they would still say yes, it's a bad division but at least there is one team that stands out, but they're all terribly flawed teams that was my point. I was making the "If my team only had this...!" sort of statement.

I think Seattle is going to take the Division but at most 9-7 and that's an optimistic opinion I think no one is going over 8-8. The schedule gets worse for everyone except San Fran.

STL @ DEN, KC @ SEA, SF @ GB in Week 13. Seattle will benefit from facing SF and CAR in the next two weeks but then there's Tampa, unless someone in this division that goes on a miracle run it's Seattle's to lose. However with the constant positions in the draft the NFC West and AFC West, if the organizations are well run well enough, have a really decent shot to build some good teams in the next 5 years.

As for Jason Smith he was doing great until the Concussion syndrome started a game or two ago.

Edited by Insurrection, 23 November 2010 - 01:11 AM.

[Sir Whirly]

Hmmm, I wonder what pick my Cards will get. Lord knows we will go for a QB. Maybe Luck. Luck would be a good pick.

[Insurrection]

Maybe they should've signed Bulger at least for a chance, but now it looks like this division is going to be flipped upside down from last year. The Cardinals just did not adjust to losing mainstay players from last year.

Then:
Cardinals
49ers
Seahawks
Rams

Right Now:
Rams
Seahawks
49ers
Cardinals

It's probably going to be Jansen or Luck, I don't see Carolina drafting Quarterbacks. Either outcome it could come down to the wire, but we're a terrible division. I'm officially changing my stance from Seattle to toss up between St. Louis and Seattle which could be the deciding game.

Rams coaching has problems in the 4th but the Chiefs just went in there with a beatdown. Now the AFC West race, that looks like a fun match with Chiefs and Chargers.

Edited by Insurrection, 30 November 2010 - 08:30 PM.

[Nate River]

Hmmm, I wonder what pick my Cards will get. Lord knows we will go for a QB. Maybe Luck. Luck would be a good pick.

The bad news is my crappy team is worse than your crappy team and should have a higher pick. Don't assume we won't draft a QB like when San Diego drafted Rivers when they had Brees. Without knowing who will replace Fox you can't count on them not taking Luck if they think he's a franchise QB.

I do, however, think it's hilarious that the entire division has a losing record despite 6 games against their own division and each team getting to play the Carolina Panthers (even if SF did manage to lose to them).

I'm making fun of my team...God, we suck.

[Insurrection]

Uh...okay since someone has to do it for this week.

Eagles 34 Texans 24
Saints 34 Bengals 30
Bears 24 Lions 20
Packers 34 49ers 16
Chiefs 10 Broncos 6
Browns 13 Dolphins 10
Vikings 38 Bills 14
Giants 31 Redskins 7
Jaguars 17 Titans 6
Oakland 28 Chargers 13
Rams 19 Cardinals 6
Cowboys 38 Colts 35
Seahawks 31 Panthers 14
Falcons 28 Bucs 24
Steelers 13 Ravens 10
Patriots 45 Jets 3


FOOTBALL!!!!

Edited by Insurrection, 07 December 2010 - 04:58 AM.

[Jwolf0]

Um, sorry dood.

On the bright side, hooray Luck? (And maybe Harbaugh to go with?)

[Nate River]

Um, sorry dood.

On the bright side, hooray Luck? (And maybe Harbaugh to go with?)

Dood,

I want them to lose. The only thing they have to play for is the #1 pick and seeing who is worth keeping around. If they get it, I'd draft Luck and let the three of them play it out. QB is our biggest need.

[Jwolf0]

Dood,

I want them to lose. The only thing they have to play for is the #1 pick and seeing who is worth keeping around. If they get it, I'd draft Luck and let the three of them play it out. QB is our biggest need.

You've got a lot of needs, dood. QB is the biggest though. I normally advocate giving a QB more than part of a year to prove himself especially when there's no supporting cast, but man Clausen looked awful yesterday. Underthrew the ball regularly, didn't see Tatupu undercut the WR for that pick-six... yeesh.

Really, that game got to the point where instead of being pissed that no one could tackle Jonathon Stewart, I was amazed that he managed to hit virtually every Seahawk defender during one of his runs. And instead of being pissed that Leon Washington didn't get the punt return TD, I laughed when the punter tripped him up.

So do you want Harbaugh to come with as well?

[Nate River]

You've got a lot of needs, dood. QB is the biggest though. I normally advocate giving a QB more than part of a year to prove himself especially when there's no supporting cast, but man Clausen looked awful yesterday. Underthrew the ball regularly, didn't see Tatupu undercut the WR for that pick-six... yeesh.

Really, that game got to the point where instead of being pissed that no one could tackle Jonathon Stewart, I was amazed that he managed to hit virtually every Seahawk defender during one of his runs. And instead of being pissed that Leon Washington didn't get the punt return TD, I laughed when the punter tripped him up.

So do you want Harbaugh to come with as well?

Sure, why not.

Yeah OL and WR's need work too, but we drafted 3 WR's last year and I don't know of any OL studs comming out of college that would justify passing on QB. Franchise QB vs. Franchise WR? QB any day of the week. Need some DL work as well, but the defense is decent. The offense is just plain embarassing. I bet the defense would give up fewer points if the offense could stay on the field longer.

It's like San Diego with Brees and Rivers. That had Brees, but you don't pass up on a guy like Rivers. If they draft Luck and Claussen succeeds you can move Luck and vice versa. You don't pass up on a franchise QB, especially if you don't know what you have and there isn't a franchise player in another area that can justify it. I think the drafted WR's are more likely to succeed than Pike or Claussen.

[Insurrection]

The Week Ahead:

Thursday

Indianapolis travels to Tennesse to face the Titans. Going in Peyton Manning has thrown 11 interceptions in 3 games with losses to San Diego and Dallas where he had four a piece. The Titans are also murky with Jeff Fisher's job in question and Vince Young out for the season. Somehow still in a tight AFC South, it's make or break time. And unless you have NFL network you probably will not see it...like me.

Sunday

Cleveland Browns @ Buffalo Bills
Atlanta Falcons @ Carolina Panthers
New York Giants @ Minnesota Vikings
Cincinnati Bengals @ Pittsburgh Steelers
Oakland Raiders @ Jacksonville Jaguars
Green Bay Packers @ Detroit Lions
Tampa Bay @ Washington Redskins
St. Louis Rams @ New Orleans Saints
Seattle Seahawks @ San Francisco 49ers
New England Patriots @ Chicago Bears
Miami Dolphins @ New York Jets
Denver Broncos @ Arizona Cardinals
Kansas City Chiefs @ San Diego Chargers
Philadelphia Eagles @ Dallas Cowboys

Monday

Baltimore Ravens @ Houston Texans


Storylines:

Denver fires Josh McDaniels and then realizes that they don't have a replacement for Josh McDaniels.

Albert Haynesworth suspended the remainder of the season without pay by Washington.

Singletary: Alex Smith will start for the 49ers this week.
San Francisco: RUN!!!

Now here's Ndamukong Suh doing the Moonwalk:

Edited by Insurrection, 08 December 2010 - 07:09 AM.

[Illmatic]

To put it simply, beat Dallas or cut all the scrubs. But seriously, Philly better not pull the same crap like they did last season. Freakin Disgrace.

Edited by Illmatic, 10 December 2010 - 10:15 PM.

[Insurrection]

Look after Sunday.

Well looks like the Eagles managed to hang on and win in Dallas. That's good for Eagles fans.

But other then the lead for them they can thank the delay in the Giants schedule to this.



This was awesome. Two monday night games NFC and AFC. If you live in Detroit the tickets are free, except if you were originally going to the game at the Metrodome and you go to Detroit you'll recieve premium seating.


Other than that:

*Turns to face imaginary camera in the sportschannel of the mind*

Unless either the Seahawks or the Rams win one of two games going into Week 17 the NFC west will be won with a sub-.500 record. Don't believe me?

Here's your matchups next week:

San Francisco (Because they have a shot facing Arizona at home and St. Louis away) against the San Diego Chargers coming off a 31-0 shutout of KC.

@ San Diego
@ St. Louis
V. Arizona

(Even if they lose in SD the 9ers would be in must win mode at a team that would also be with an effective home field advantage. The Dome may be crap, but damn that place is loud.)

Seattle hosts Atlanta before going on the road to Tampa and finishing the season at home hosting the Rams.

v. Atlanta
@ Tampa Bay
v. St. Louis

St. Louis hosts Kansas City before hosting the 49ers and finishing the season at Seattle.

v. Kansas City
v. San Francisco
@ Seattle

Arizona would have to win every game left but without a tiebreaker is already season over. Sorry Whirly.

If either Seattle or St. Louis wins the game next week San Francisco is effectively eliminated as well. If either Seattle or St. Louis win both games before the final week with the other losing the division is already over before week 17.


The Bears will win the North

Not because they're the best, but because they are lucky. Detroit gave Packers Quarterback Aaron Rodgers a concussion and knocked him out of the game, winning by a score of 7-3.

Patriots are going the playoffs AGAIN

Fresh from slaughtering bears Tom Brady's hair along with Bill Belichik will return to the Playoffs and even if they lose they have a great consolation prize. Half of the 2011 draft.

WASHINGTON, REALLY!?!



Also this




Just a lot of good video material this week. I couldn't resist.

Edited by Insurrection, 13 December 2010 - 07:05 AM.

[Illmatic]

Oh Desean, you little troll. Eat it Dallas, you too jerry

Tashard Choice should hook me up with some autographs

[Insurrection]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!

Edited by Insurrection, 19 December 2010 - 10:18 PM.

[Lid]

That was an incredible game to watch, I loved how Vick ran the ball those times, had around 130 yards rushing, what a game.

[Illmatic]

Oh Desean, you little troll. Eat it New JerseyYork, you too Coughlin

What a month. Phillies lured Cliff Lee away form the Yanks, the Flyers beat the Rangers yesterday, and now this. Enjoy your lump of coal New York, Merry Christmas.

Edited by Illmatic, 20 December 2010 - 03:37 PM.