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[HalfStarStudios]

Meaning?

Woah, I have to explain this? Ok.

Normal Abusive Relationship: Guy hits girl. Girl goes back to him even though she still hits him. Both hold romantic feelings for one another.

SasuSaku: Guy is wanted around the globe(international criminal) and is working with the group that is trying to kill one of her closest friends. He tries to kill her multiple times. He tries to kill her teacher. He threatens to kill her family, friends and destroy her home. Doesn't even hold any romantic feelings for her.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 29 December 2012 - 08:12 PM.

[Qia]

The thing with Sasukarin for me is that the only time Sasuke ever raises his hand against Karin is when he has that "psychotic" change in him. But before that, he never did, even when she flirted with him he was not cruel to her. In fact, he once said that he needed her, and even Obito I think it was said that she was his favorite before his fight with Danzou. Now, with Sakura, yes sometimes he could be nice to her, but other times he sort of put her down. Like, that time he told her she was worse than Naruto. It was sort of cruel. If he really cared that much then he could have offered to help her or something, but he didn't. And then some people might bring up the fact that he viewed her, including Naruto, as one of his important persons. Yet, at the same time, that still just brings up the already known fact that he views her as a comrade, and even after that he didn't exactly pay her any mind or saw her in a romantic light.

Now does that mean if he comes back he can't develop feelings for her? No, not really. I just don't see a reason as to why he should, however. Plus there's the question of his team Taka and whatever kind of relationship he had with Karin. What's going to happen to them? I can't see them just being welcomed into Konoha just like that so idk.

Edited by Qia, 29 December 2012 - 08:14 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Woah, I have to explain this? Ok.

Normal Abusive Relationship: Guy hits girl. Girl goes back to him even though she still hits him. Both hold romantic feelings for one another.

SasuSaku: Guy is wanted around the globe(international criminal) and is working with the group that is trying to kill one of her closest friends. He tries to kill her multiple times. He tries to kill her teacher. He threatens to kill her family, friends and destroy her home. Doesn't even hold any romantic feelings for her.

Actually, sadly, women returning to abusive relationships is anything but unrealistic.

Pretty much this.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 08:14 PM.

[MoonStar]

I see that people are starting to get a mean on this thread.

Off-topic question. Who is the character in you signature?

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

You just said that SK was abusive because Sasuke attempted to kill Karin, and said it was very unrealistic therefore making that SK cant be canon when the pairing you ship had two killing attempts.

Of course it is abusive, as is SS. Messed up, problematic, dark relationships both. This is what I think and have always though and have made it very clear in my comments. Clear so far? I said that women returning to abusive relationships is hardly unrealistic: in the real world it is very common that abused women stay with their abusive husbands. Clear so far? Then I wondered why you thought that SasuKarin had better chances than SasuSaku even tough both relationships are essentially the same. Clear so far?

Okay, now. What is unclear to you? Ask and I shall explain. Or die trying.

HalfStarStudios, okay. Is the difference between fiction and real world something you are familiar with? Normal world = no orangepantsed boys trying to clone themselves to please their teachers.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 08:20 PM.

[GlucoseGlutton]

Nothing new around here. Then in the Kishi has lost his marbles thread in the other section you can see people saying "NS fans are so mature and intelligent, much more so than other fans". Sure, guys.

I was pretty surprised that someone actually said that; no group of shippers is "the best" or "better". Every group has it's mature shippers and those who aren't as mature. No group should be demeaned or demonized besides the pairing you ship shouldn't be what you're judged by . I'm just sayin'...

[tricksie]

Off-topic question. Who is the character in you signature?

Stephen Colbert right? A bit younger. That man is so funny!

[ICEmanJC]

Hey, everyone.
I just uploaded my latest video on Chapter 615. NaruSaku has nothing to worry about. Watch it and tell me what you think!

Puttin this up on NF, so they can see, if that's cool?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Of course it is abusive, as is SS. Messed up, problematic, dark relationships both. This is what I think and have always though and have made it very clear in my comments. Clear so far? I said that women returning to abusive relationships is hardly unrealistic: in the real world it is very common that abused women stay with their abusive husbands. Clear so far? Then I wondered why you thought that SasuKarin had better chances than SasuSaku even tough both relationships are essentially the same. Clear so far?

Okay, now. What is unclear to you? Ask and I shall explain. Or die trying.

I said that they are different despite being abusive there were differences.
The reasons i stated and u didnt counter it actually you counter it saying that the relationship cant be canon because is abusive.

[GlucoseGlutton]

Off-topic question. Who is the character in you signature?

That little bugger would be Karkat Vantas (a.k.a PantsKat) from Homestuck. I just recently got into the webcomic and I absolutely love it (Karkat especially) !!

Edited by SugarJunkE, 29 December 2012 - 08:27 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I said that they are different despite being abusive there were differences.
The reasons i stated and u didnt counter it actually you counter it saying that the relationship cant be canon because is abusive.

Can you pull out my quote where I state that SasuKarin can't be canon because it is abusive?

[Arachnia]

so there is a 3 week break now from the manga ? o boy

[BecauseYouLetRinDie]

You can't ship SasuKarin if you are not also okay with SasuSaku. That is my argument, simple, no? You are being very hypocritical when you are okay with Karin returning to Sasuke but are not okay if Sakura returns to him.

The thing is Karin has been shown to be able to stand her ground against Sasuke, sure she loves him but she won't take his bullsh* which makes SasuKarin a much stronger pairing than SasuSaku. Sakura has been shown to freeze up, and her character development goes down the drain everytime Sasuke is mentioned. It almost seems like Sakura can't be herself around Sasuke, sure she loves him, but we've never seen her stand up to him unless it's because she's defending Naruto. That's why people can actually stand and Ship Sasukarin, and not like Sasusaku.

[GlucoseGlutton]

Stephen Colbert right? A bit younger. That man is so funny!

Hehehe yeah that would be him in the gif-let .

Edited by SugarJunkE, 29 December 2012 - 08:25 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

The thing is Karin has been shown to be able to stand her ground against Sasuke, sure she loves him but she won't take his bullsh* which makes SasuKarin a much stronger pairing than SasuSaku. Sakura has been shown to freeze up, and her character development goes down the drain everytime Sasuke is mentioned. It almost seems like Sakura can't be herself around Sasuke, sure she loves him, but we've never seen her stand up to him unless it's because she's defending Naruto. That's why people can actually stand and Ship Sasukarin, and not like Sasusaku.

So if Sakura starts standing up to Sasuke you would be okay with SS?

[HalfStarStudios]

HalfStarStudios, okay. Is the difference between fiction and real world something you are familiar with? Normal world = no orangepantsed boys trying to clone themselves to please their teachers.

That's your argument? ._. Is this because you cannot prove my point wrong? I believe it is. Stay on topic. Prove me wrong on how SasuSaku isn't your normal abusive relation ship. Also now you're talking about how Naruto is unrealistic yet you were just telling me that SasuSaku is believable because girls going back to abusive relationships is realistic.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 29 December 2012 - 08:30 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Can you pull out my quote where I state that SasuKarin can't be canon because it is abusive?

Why is Karin's reason to love Sasuke more legit? Because he saved her life? Sasuke also helped Sakura, and probably saved her life, in the forest of death. Later he was willing to sacrifice himself to Gaara so Naruto would have the time to save Sakura. This selfless sacrifice inspired Naruto to fight Gaara, BTW. [b]Why should Karin forget Sasuke's attempt to kill her? Aren't you just pushing Karin into an abusive relationship if you think SasuKarin is okay?

Here.
She fall in love with her when he saved her life and his smile, curious is that Naruto fall in love with Sakura because of her smile, but not just the only reason.
Sasuke helped Sakura, Naruto did help her too, they both protected her.

Later he was willing to sacrifice himself to Gaara so Naruto would have the time to save Sakura. This selfless sacrifice inspired Naruto to fight Gaara.

What inspired Naruto to fight Gaara was when he see Sakura struggling.
His love for Sakura pull of an huge ammount of Chakra, made him summon Gamabunta.
He fight with Gaara to protect Sakura, even Gamakichi asks if she was his girlfriend.

Even when the fight is over the first thing he ask is if she was alright.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 08:31 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Not as unrealistic as a girl going back and being in love with a guy who tried to bash her face with a Chidori, slash her throat, tried to kill her sensei, become a national criminal and threaten to kill her friends, family and village.

Oh sorry, I forgot that is ok with you. Nothing states true love like a nice Chidori. No wonder Naruto is so obsessed with the Sauce. o: He did get a Chidori through the chest.

I've only read up to this post in this thread so far, and I don't know if this post started war or not, but before I see, I want to say: well kittening said.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Also now you're talking about how Naruto is unrealistic yet you were just telling me that SasuSaku is believable because girls going back to abusive relationships is realistic. Make up your mind.

Naruto the series is rather unrealistic in many ways. In the real world you probably wouldn't have people be quite so forgiving than they are in the Naruto world. Naruto is like a messiah who with a pep talk converts hardened murderers and powercrazy maniacs back to the team good. Wars are quickly forgiven and no tension seems to remains between the nations. Now, from what I have seen, this is not really how the real world functions. Maybe your experiance is different? Returning to abusive relationship is very common in the real world. If SS is abusive, Sakura returning to Sasuke despite his violence would be one of the more realistic things Kishi ever wrote.

Prove me wrong on how SasuSaku isn't your normal abusive relation ship.

Thought that was your argument? That SasuSaku was so much worse than your normal abusive relationship?

Here.
She fall in love with her when he saved her life and his smile, curious is that Naruto fall in love with Sakura because of her smile, but not just the only reason.
Sasuke helped Sakura, Naruto did help her too, they both protected her.

...

How do I in that quote state that SasuKarin can't be canon because it is abusive?

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 08:39 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

How do I in that quote state that SasuKarin can't be canon because it is abusive?

You already said that, in this same post it's implicity, you maybe not wanted to say that but you actually spell it off.
You just entered on a contradiction loop.