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[StrikerTheNoble]

Why are you making this about Naruto getting laid? If he wanted, he could have a relationship with Hinata at any time. Sex has no relevance at all in this manga. Not to be rude, but the way you've worded this post, it sounds like you're saying that the only thing men care about is getting in bed with a woman and that the only thing that the females are good for is sex.

"She looks like an easy lay. I'll take it."
"Fiesty women are hot in bed. Challenge accepted."

I don't know if you meant it this way or not, but I find that really offensive, to be honest.

Im truly sorry if this is what it sounded like because its not what i meant at all.
What I meant was that most guys in their hormonal prime (i meant the dumbass sport types (you know the stupid football guys in highschools)) think about women in an extremly sexist way almost like sex objects. That is where Hinata the shy girl with low self esteem comes. Its like picking up drunk girls at a bar. They put up way less of a ressistance.

The last part was not ment to be sexual at all. Sakura is the kind of girl you have to get to know. And in a relationship she makes for a better partner because she has opinions. And she feels free to tell you about it, sometimes violently. A big difference in NS and NH would be when it came to arguments. Hinata would never openly object to Naruto and would be under complete submision. Sakura and Naruto on the other hand could openly argue about it and I think Sakura would win. Simply because Naruto loves her to much to opose her to greatly.

And to me personaly going out with Sakura would be much better that with Hinata.

To sum it up Naruto could be lazy and go out with the shy girl that loves him and settle for an unhealthy relationship or he could keep trying to win Sakuras affection and end up with a healthy and well developed relationship.

I mean reaslisticly if NH would happen compared to NS how long would it actually last.


PS:


Could someone from our unofficial debate team make a steamroller counter argument to this dumbass:

So freaking mature mate.

There are two guys kissing each other in the begging and along the anime the only thing you can see is Naruto ignoring Hinata(a hot girl trying to have sex with Naruto) and trying to have sex with the he kissed and the mysterious guy he kissed killed the guy he loved named Orochimaru(an gay snake with legs).

There are no mature animes in this world, something inspired in cartoons cannot be mature, it's unrealistic and a completely bullsh** view of this world, the only thing you can learn watching such things is behind the messages the main character says during the episodes such as "Never give up", "No one comes to this world to live alone","Your friends are important as kitten" etc. Nothing important or useful.

[Slextrem]

Then go and read hentai. This manga is targeted at pre-teens.

^ This.

I'm actually really disturbed that so many people are trying to sexualize the story. Naruto has never been a sexual manga, so don't expect to suddenly see sex scenes pop up out of no where. That would completely degrade the story, if you ask me. I enjoy Naruto because it focuses on the love and trust between the characters, (what I consider the more meaningful things in life), not their physical relationships. For example, Kurenai and Asuma. Obviously their relationship became physical at some point, but Kishimoto didn't focus on that at all. Just the love between them, which I think is much more special than what they were doing in their bedroom.

I can't stand how the females are being looked at as sexual items. I mean, it's fine to joke around about Sakura's backside and Hinata's front, but to want to see that kind of stuff incorporated into the series is just degrading. You know, there's more to women than their physical assets. There's also a lot more to love than having sex.

EDIT: I apologize for misunderstanding your post, Striker. Thank you for clearing that up.

Edited by Slextrem, 27 February 2013 - 06:36 PM.

[HauntedCake]

^ This.

I'm actually really disturbed that so many people are trying to sexualize the story. Naruto has never been a sexual manga, so don't expect to suddenly see sex scenes pop up out of no where. That would completely degrade the story, if you ask me. I enjoy Naruto because it focuses on the love and trust between the characters, (what I consider the more meaningful things in life), not their physical relationships. For example, Kurenai and Asuma. Obviously their relationship became physical at some point, but Kishimoto didn't focus on that at all. Just the love between them, which I think is much more special than what they were doing in their bedroom.

I can't stand how the females are being looked at as sexual items. I mean, it's fine to joke around about Sakura's backside and Hinata's front, but to want to see that kind of stuff incorporated into the series is just degrading. You know, there's more to women than their physical assets. There's also a lot more to love than having sex.

EDIT: I apologize for misunderstanding your post, Striker. Thank you for clearing that up.

This topic reminds me of SAO between Kirito and Asuna. I didn't like the amout of emphasis they had on the romance, killed off the potential of the story.

[Qia]

Im truly sorry if this is what it sounded like because its not what i meant at all.
What I meant was that most guys in their hormonal prime (i meant the dumbass sport types (you know the stupid football guys in highschools)) think about women in an extremly sexist way almost like sex objects. That is where Hinata the shy girl with low self esteem comes. Its like picking up drunk girls at a bar. They put up way less of a resistance.

The last part was not ment to be sexual at all. Sakura is the kind of girl you have to get to know. And in a relationship she makes for a better partner because she has opinions. And she feels free to tell you about it, sometimes violently. A big difference in NS and NH would be when it came to arguments. Hinata would never openly object to Naruto and would be under complete submission. Sakura and Naruto on the other hand could openly argue about it and I think Sakura would win. Simply because Naruto loves her to much to oppose her to greatly.

And to me personally going out with Sakura would be much better that with Hinata.

To sum it up Naruto could be lazy and go out with the shy girl that loves him and settle for an unhealthy relationship or he could keep trying to win Sakuras affection and end up with a healthy and well developed relationship.

I mean realistically if NH would happen compared to NS how long would it actually last.

Correction: Some guys (and even girls), when in their hormonal prime, may treat the opposite sex like sex objects when they should be more than that. For Naruto, Sakura is the better choice because he was actually shown being given the chance to get to know her, while with Hinata he was not.

I also have to disagree with you about Hinata not being able to go against Naruto, because chapter 615 has shown her being able to speak up if needed. The only negative thing with NH really is that they were never shown developing a deep bond, despite them having that friendship. All their relationship is random scenes inserted throughout the manga, which doesn't suggest that it may lead to something huge in the future. The relationship won't necessarily be unhealthy...it would just be boring because we won't be able to actually see them getting to know one another more, since we already know Naruto will most likely be seen with a son if he survives in the epilogue of the manga.

Edited by Qia, 27 February 2013 - 06:40 PM.

[sushi.]

This topic reminds me of SAO between Kirito and Asuna. I didn't like the amout of emphasis they had on the romance, killed off the potential of the story.

Yeah, I almost fell off my chair when I saw Asuna almost getting raped in the last episodes..

by a fairy.

I also have to disagree with you about Hinata not being able to go against Naruto, because chapter 615 has shown her being able to speak up if needed. The only negative thing with NH really is that they were never shown developing a deep bond, despite them having that friendship. All their relationship is random scenes inserted throughout the manga, which doesn't suggest that it may lead to something huge in the future. The relationship won't necessarily be unhealthy...it would just be boring because we won't be able to actually see them getting to know one another more, since we already know Naruto will most likely be seen with a son if he survives in the epilogue of the manga.

Yes, I would find it unbelievable that they will last, they wouldn't go further than a date. It takes too much from Naruto and Hinata's bond for them to happen at this point. This is also my problem with Mako and Korra and Avatar:LoK. Unlike Aang and Katara, the MK relationship is based on lust and attraction. When love is based on friendship like KataraxAang+NarutoxSakura, I know that it will last even if I don't see them grow old together.

Edited by sushi., 27 February 2013 - 06:47 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Yeah, I almost fell off my chair when I saw Asuna almost getting raped in the last episodes..

by a fairy.

Yep, Season 1 was good until episode 10. Then the romance basically turned it into a hentai. Such a shame.

Edited by HauntedCake, 27 February 2013 - 06:43 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Correction: Some guys (and even girls), when in their hormonal prime, may treat the opposite sex like sex objects when they should be more than that. For Naruto, Sakura is the better choice because he was actually shown being given the chance to get to know her, while with Hinata he was not.

I also have to disagree with you about Hinata not being able to go against Naruto, because chapter 615 has shown her being able to speak up if needed. The only negative thing with NH really is that they were never shown developing a deep bond, despite them having that friendship. All their relationship is random scenes inserted throughout the manga, which doesn't suggest that it may lead to something huge in the future. The relationship won't necessarily be unhealthy...it would just be boring because we won't be able to actually see them getting to know one another more, since we already know Naruto will most likely be seen with a son if he survives in the epilogue of the manga.

You have a point. I guess I grew up around alot of horny a-holes so it kinda warps my image. But I still think it would be unhealthy. The whole oposites atract thing is ok but they are completly different. It took the death of Neji for her to say something in a full and fluent sentence to him. I guess i just dont see how it could work out between them

[Slextrem]

Could someone from our unofficial debate team make a steamroller counter argument to this dumbass:

So freaking mature mate.

There are two guys kissing each other in the begging and along the anime the only thing you can see is Naruto ignoring Hinata(a hot girl trying to have sex with Naruto) and trying to have sex with the he kissed and the mysterious guy he kissed killed the guy he loved named Orochimaru(an gay snake with legs).

There are no mature animes in this world, something inspired in cartoons cannot be mature, it's unrealistic and a completely bullsh** view of this world, the only thing you can learn watching such things is behind the messages the main character says during the episodes such as "Never give up", "No one comes to this world to live alone","Your friends are important as kitten" etc. Nothing important or useful.

The grammar in this quote makes it difficult to understand what s/he's trying to argue...

I assume he or she is saying that Naruto isn't a quality series with a good morale behind it...? It sounds like they've taken the comedic aspects of Naruto far too seriously, (i.e. Naruto kissing Sasuke), and have completely misunderstood what the series is about. I mean, they're suggesting that Sasuke was in love with Orochimaru and that Hinata has been trying to sleep with Naruto since day one (at 12 years old, which is disgusting).

Sounds like a troll. Rather than respond to their "argument", I would just ignore them.

[sushi.]

^Yeah, the person is also implying that because drawn fiction, it can't be serious. The guy can't know much about manga.

Edited by sushi., 27 February 2013 - 06:54 PM.

[swagosaurus]

About that quote.

the mysterious guy he kissed killed the guy he loved named Orochimaru(an gay snake with legs).

killed the guy he loved named Orochimaru(an gay snake with legs).

named Orochimaru(an gay snake with legs).

(an gay snake with legs).

"an gay snake with legs." LMFAO. best description of Orochimaru ever.

But I actually can't understand what the person is trying to say. That manga/anime/cartoons can't have a good message behind them?

[Qia]

You have a point. I guess I grew up around alot of horny a-holes so it kinda warps my image. But I still think it would be unhealthy. The whole oposites atract thing is ok but they are completely different. It took the death of Neji for her to say something in a full and fluent sentence to him. I guess i just dont see how it could work out between them

It's cool. And, actually, it took Naruto almost dying for her to say something in a full and fluent sentence xD. It was that moment that made her realize that, if she kept her feelings to herself and continued being the shy person that she is, then she may never get the chance to express how she feels to him, especially if he dies. But, like it's been mentioned many times before, her choosing to confess then instead of actually helping Naruto with those rods that were holding him down was extremely selfish, and she knew that.

And about the Narusaku smiles thing, there was actually a picture on Tumblr about that .

Edited by Qia, 27 February 2013 - 07:13 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

It's cool. And, actually, it took Naruto almost dying for her to say something in a full and fluent sentence xD. It was that moment that made her realize that, if she kept her feelings to herself and continued being the shy person that she is, then she may never get the chance to express how she feels to him, especially if he dies. But, like it's been mentioned many times before, her choosing to confess then instead of actually helping Naruto with those rods that were holding him down was extremely selfish, and she knew that.

And about the Narusaku smiles thing, there was actually a picture on Tumblr about that .

This pic... kishimoto really has a thing for paralels doesnt he. I would love to see someone argue Minato/Hinata paralel or Kushima/Hinata while being confronted with that pic.

About the quote:

I was gathering Naruto Fans for a RP in another game and some retard answered with that.

[narusakurama]

This pic... kishimoto really has a thing for paralels doesnt he. I would love to see someone argue Minato/Hinata paralel or Kushima/Hinata while being confronted with that pic.

About the quote:

I was gathering Naruto Fans for a RP in another game and some retard answered with that.

Always annoying when I see NH fans argue the Minato/Hinata paralel or even Kushina/Naruto (he is her son .. ofc they 'll be alike .. duh ) . Those parallels do not matter . Kushina tells Naruto to find a girl like her , which what started this whole parallel in the first place . So it only matters which of the two is more like Kushina and the answer is obviously Sakura . That's probably why they even argue Mina/Hina parallel in the first place , because the Kushina/Hinata one is ... not there

[T XD]

Always annoying when I see NH fans argue the Minato/Hinata paralel or even Kushina/Naruto (he is her son .. ofc they 'll be alike .. duh ) . Those parallels do not matter . Kushina tells Naruto to find a girl like her , which what started this whole parallel in the first place . So it only matters which of the two is more like Kushina and the answer is obviously Sakura . That's probably why they even argue Mina/Hina parallel in the first place , because the Kushina/Hinata one is ... not there

Sometimes, I see the argument about Kushina/Hinata parallel that they both have long hair

Trying to pull anything to argue from it.

Edited by T XD, 27 February 2013 - 08:49 PM.

[sushi.]

Always annoying when I see NH fans argue the Minato/Hinata paralel or even Kushina/Naruto (he is her son .. ofc they 'll be alike .. duh ) . Those parallels do not matter . Kushina tells Naruto to find a girl like her , which what started this whole parallel in the first place . So it only matters which of the two is more like Kushina and the answer is obviously Sakura . That's probably why they even argue Mina/Hina parallel in the first place , because the Kushina/Hinata one is ... not there

Usually, I don't find it annoying that they parallell them. But sometimes, they parallell Kushina with Hinata because they're both willing to risk their life for him. I find it annoying because they ignore the fact that Everyone is risking their life for Naruto.

[Slextrem]

Sometimes, I see the argument about Kushina/Hinata parallel that they both have long hair

Trying to pull anything to argue from it.

They have to grasp for straws to parallel Hinata with Kushina because there's nothing to compare between either character. Kushina has the same personality and temperament as Sakura, which is the complete opposite of Hinata. That's why they argue that Naruto should be compared with Kushina, because it's easier for them to say that Hinata is similar to Minato, but even that's stretching things. Supposedly, being calm and collected is the same thing as being introverted and shy.

Edited by Slextrem, 27 February 2013 - 09:02 PM.

[swagosaurus]

They have to grasp for straws to parallel Hinata with Kushina because there's nothing to compare between either character. Kushina has the same personality and temperament as Sakura, which is the complete opposite of Hinata. That's why they argue that Naruto should be compared with Kushina, because it's easier for them to say that Hinata is similar to Minato, but even that's stretching things. Supposedly, being calm and collected is the same thing as being introverted and shy.

And when people say Kushina isn't like Sakura, she's a parallel to Naruto, they must be forgetting that Naruto and Sakura are already similar; they enjoy pranks, they both yell at Kakashi, they both want acknowledgement, etc, etc.

[T XD]

They have to grasp for straws to parallel Hinata with Kushina because there's nothing to compare between either character. Kushina has the same personality and temperament as Sakura, which is the complete opposite of Hinata. That's why they argue that Naruto should be compared with Kushina, because it's easier for them to say that Hinata is similar to Minato, but even that's stretching things. Supposedly, being calm and collected = being introverted and shy.

Paralleling Hinata to Minato, when I see this, I say to myself: " But don't they see that Minato has more to his personality and attitude than just being more calm as an adult ? "

Well, I always say that it's desperation

Edited by T XD, 27 February 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[Hiraishin]

And when people say Kushina isn't like Sakura, she's a parallel to Naruto, they must be forgetting that Naruto and Sakura are already similar; they enjoy pranks, they both yell at Kakashi, they both want acknowledgement, etc, etc.

Exactly, so saying Kushina is similar to Naruto is also saying she is similar to Sakura, since Naruto and Sakura are so alike.
Also, when people say that Kushina is like Naruto (rather than Sakura), they seem to think that's the only person she is similar to. You can share similarities with more than one person, people.

[Baguette]

Oh, lol, I had the impression you're a girl!
Dunno, to me it's nice that there are guys out there supporting NS. Don't want to sound sexist or something like that, it's just that boys, generally, aren't drawn to romance, and if they are, they're to pairings such as NH because it's more simple. Don't wanna bash on NH supporters, it's just the way I've seen it... So to me, when I see a guy supporting NS, I always feel more and more confident.
Btw, sorry I wasn't able to continue that debate over there. My time is more and more busier...

It may be because I, being as young as I am, have so little real life experience with relationships, that I'm drawn towards romance in literature and other forms of entertainment such as this series.
To me, the way Naruto and Sakura have developed together over the years just feels as realistic and natural as it can get in a shonen manga. NaruHina? Eh...not so much.
And don't worry about that debate lol, I'm proud that we held our ground the whole time

Not to generalize, but typically female NaruSaku fans ship the pairing because they see themselves in Sakura, with a confident personality or what have you, and they personally want/have/desire a guy like Naruto. On the flip side, male NS shippers support it because they see themselves as Naruto, and they sympathize with his struggles to gain Sakura's affection, and they are attracted to girls like Sakura.

A lot of people don't like Sakura because, as you said, she's not simple; she's complicated, irritable, feisty, and confident. It's a weird and really degrading psychological thing, but a lot of guys want to have power over the relationship; they don't want someone that will challenge them, or actually be able to argue with them. And the female fans dislike her because they themselves want to be that confident, sassy girl; or they find themselves relating to Sakura's imperfections, and the don't like that.

I can't say if your statement holds true for most males, but I would personally have to differ in opinion there. One of the main reasons I ship NaruSaku is because I can easily see so much of myself reflected in Sakura.

For starters, I sometimes find it difficult to empathize with many fictional characters simply because I haven't gone through the same degree of loss as they have. I didn't have to experience such things in life as living without the comfort and support of family, and neither has Sakura. It's something that she has to learn to understand as the series progresses and as she grows.

Even in terms of physical attributes, I find myself in a similar to Sakura. She doesn't come from a special clan and nor does she have any sort of superior bloodline. My mother and father are 5'1 and 5'5 in height, respectively, and as a result I am barely 5'7 at sixteen years of age. Besides my short stature, I also come with relatively small hands and therefore a weak grip, which means I've never been able to win a match of arm wrestling in my life (it's a guy thing ). Due to my genes, I was not very athletic at all growing up, and it wasn't until last year that I finally decided to start working out. Just like Sakura, I was fed up with being so physically useless in comparison to my peers, and gained the motivation to better myself.
Through a lot of hard work Sakura was able to become one of the finest medics in Konoha, in addition to gaining superhuman strength. Likewise, I've managed to attain "six-pack status" after so many months, and am on track to make it onto the varsity swim team next year.

But what makes me empathize with her so much is in her flaws. I feel that people hate on Sakura partly because, when juxtaposed to characters such as Naruto or Kakashi, whose convictions never seem to waver, she may seem weak-willed and indecisive. To me, that fact that she often times doubts herself and is hesitant only makes her all the more human. I myself am not a very confident guy and tend to crack under too much pressure, even when I may potentially be capable of handling the situation. To call her out on such things without fully acknowledging that you are very much the same in many ways is just hypocritical.

Im a 21 yr old dude and Im obsessed with NaruSaku and I know their relationship isn't about sex, but I'd be down for a little NaruSaku Sex scene in the manga, just saying.

I would be lying if I said I didn't find NaruSaku sexually attractive as a couple, but...come on man...seriously?

Edited by Baguette, 28 February 2013 - 12:16 AM.