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[Luna]

I don't get it though. I say Naruto loves Sakura, no one can prove otherwise without throwing Hinata in the picture. Because their moments apparently indicates he doesn't see Sakura that way anymore.

Which isn't the case. In what way does Naruto view hinata  though? As for as I know Naruto sees her as a Friend and nothing more.

 

Edit: I wonder if  Kishimoto wrote Naruto's character based on his self and Sakura based on his wife. I wonder if there was a hinata and sasuke in his life.

Edited by Baka chan, 20 November 2013 - 05:47 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Which isn't the case. In what way does Naruto view hinata  though? As for as I know Naruto sees her as a Friend and nothing more.

 

Edit: I wonder if  Kishimoto wrote Naruto's character based on his self and Sakura based on his wife. I wonder if there was a hinata and sasuke in his life.

With the money he has, no surprise at all.

[Branden]

Which isn't the case. In what way does Naruto view hinata  though? As for as I know Naruto sees her as a Friend and nothing more.
 
Edit: I wonder if  Kishimoto wrote Naruto's character based on his self and Sakura based on his wife. I wonder if there was a hinata and sasuke in his life.

 

The only bit of information I have ever seen about Kishi's wife is a comment from Oda (author of One Piece) back in 2003

Kishimoto-san's wedding was fantastic. The priests's broken Japanese during the ceremony was a thing of beauty. I see your wife looks just like Sakura.

 source

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

The only bit of information I have ever seen about Kishi's wife is a comment from Oda (author of One Piece) back in 2003

 source

Actually there was some interview but i dont remember which one, but as far as i tell, he said that Naruto is based on him but the closest character to him was Kiba.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Me too, but maybe that is because he is expecting Sasuke to die? Or maybe because Sakura is his constant compainion? I like to think he really has a deeper (platonic) bond with Sakura, but my bias might be in the way of proper reading comprehension. It is because his bond with Sasuke is fundamentally based on common pain, not on interaction. I don't think Naruto and Sasuke got as far as him and Sakura did, mainly because Sasuke left just when they had become friends.

 

Maybe I prefer Naruto and Sakura's bond more because as two beings they mesh well together regardless of circumstances. It would be interesting to see SasuNaru if their past was different.

 

When it comes to Naruto and Sasuke's friendship, it's certainly important, obviously, since much of the manga revolves around it. However, from my perspective, they never seemed really close, not like Naruto and Sakura have become, though that just might be my bias speaking. Sasuke and Naruto had barely become real friends before Sasuke decided to cut his bonds, and I think that is why their bond comes across forced to me, they just didn't grow close enough before Sasuke defected for it to feel genuine to me.

 

I agree with you that Naruto's platonic bond with Sakura is deeper than with Sasuke, but I personally don't like to speculate on which one he may or may not care for more, or whether he cares for them 'equally', because, as you pointed out, his bond with each is fundamentally different. He and Sasuke are bound by common pain and loneliness, while he and Sakura have formed a bond based on interaction and their gradually coming to understand the other (mostly Sakura). But of course that is just my interpretation, and I will admit I've never been in favor of the SasuNaru bond.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 21 November 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

When it comes to Naruto and Sasuke's friendship, it's certainly important, obviously, since much of the manga revolves around it. However, from my perspective, they never seemed really close, not like Naruto and Sakura have become, though that just might be my bias speaking. Sasuke and Naruto had barely become real friends before Sasuke decided to cut his bonds, and I think that is way their bond comes across forced to me, they just didn't grow close enough before Sasuke defected for it to feel genuine to me.

 

I agree with you that Naruto's platonic bond with Sakura is deeper than with Sasuke, but I personally don't like to speculate on which one he may or may not care for more, or whether he cares for them 'equally', because, as you pointed out, his bond with each is fundamentally different. He and Sasuke are bound by common pain and loneliness, while he and Sakura have formed a bond based on interaction and their gradually coming to understand the other (mostly Sakura). But of course that is just my interpretation, and I will admit I've never been in favor of the SasuNaru bond.

I think the same, while they were teammates Sasuke was more like some kind of wall that Naruto wanted to surpass, when he part bonds they acknowledged each other, so instead the bond wasnt cut just got stronger, with Naruto acknowledging Sasuke as a brother and Sasuke acknowledging Naruto.

 

Now the problem with SasuNaru is that it wasnt justificable for Sasuke to be Naruto's main goal, it took the enjoyment of the shippuuden thing, Naruto had so many enemies and he only cared to go after Sasuke, all the best opportunities to exploit the akatsuki and jinchuuriki were destroyed with this bromance.

And yes it was forced and i agree for a guy to say "if i cant say a friend how can i became hokage?" and the last "if you cant save Sasuke this war is meaningless".

His dream to be kage(if i cant save... blablabla), his love for the love interest(The promise) and even his dream of peace(if you cant save... blablabla) all is simplified on saving Sasuke.

it's ridiculous.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 November 2013 - 07:02 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I think the same, while they were teammates Sasuke was more like some kind of wall that Naruto wanted to surpass, when he part bonds they acknowledged each other, so instead the bond wasnt cut just got stronger, with Naruto acknowledging Sasuke as a brother and Sasuke acknowledging Naruto.

 

Now the problem with SasuNaru is that it wasnt justificable for Sasuke to be Naruto's main goal, it took the enjoyment of the shippuuden thing, Naruto had so many enemies and he only cared to go after Sasuke, all the best oppotunities to exploit the akatsuki and jinchuuriki were destroyed with this bromance.

And yes it was forced and i agree for a guy to say "if i cant say a friend how can i became hokage?" and the last "if you cant save Sasuke this war is meaningless".

His dream to be kage(if i cant save... blablabla), his love for the love interest(The promise) and even his dream of peace(if you cant save... blablabla) all is simplified on saving Sasuke.

it's ridiculous.

 

The bolded: I very much agree. I know 'saving' Sasuke was important to Naruto, but I would rather it were not the bulk of focus in part two. I would have loved to see more insight into the other jinchuuriki and Akatsuki, and I think Naruto's character might have been better developed if some of the focus were taken off Sasuke. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

The bolded: I very much agree. I know 'saving' Sasuke was important to Naruto, but I would rather it were not the bulk of focus in part two. I would have loved to see more insight into the other jinchuuriki and Akatsuki, and I think Naruto's character might have been better developed if some of the focus were taken off Sasuke. 

Yes, i only started enjoying Naruto's character when he matured a bit(stopped raging like a..) on the Pain's arc, he was weak on the begining of the shippuuden, raged often and most of the times with no reason and was insupportable on the anime, on the anime every kind of topic he had to bring up Sasuke even on the three tails arc (when he said "if we think on someome he will have a place to return") telling this to Sakura.

 

And i was right because Naruto was the only manga where the main character barely reached the top 5 on popularity.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 November 2013 - 07:13 PM.

[sushi.]

umm i didnt understand that. what story?

It's another argument. Like, why bring that up? Fading feelings for Sakura and developing feelings for Hinata are two different things.

[Superman333]

I say this all the time, but imo once you are truly in love you can't fall out of love, you will always love that person. Naruto won't fall out of love with Sakura-Chan and he can't develop feelings for Hinata since he is in love with someone else. Sakura-Chan was a different case because I don't believe she truly loved Sasuke at all, thats my opinion though . 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I was thinking could be possible for Sasuke kills Naruto on this war as some sort of betrayal?
I mean he's probably exausted after fighting for too long.

And being honest would be beatifull for Obito's redemption on this arc, instead of pulling an edo tensei and reviving everyone he killed off, he remembers about his own death and the words that about the "losers", so instead of reviving everyone he just revives Naruto.

[sushi.]

I was thinking could be possible for Sasuke kills Naruto on this war as some sort of betrayal?
I mean he's probably exausted after fighting for too long.

And being honest would be beatifull for Obito's redemption on this arc, instead of pulling an edo tensei and reviving everyone he killed off, he remembers about his own death and the words that about the "losers", so instead of reviving everyone he just revives Naruto.

That would put Naruto above others. At least the scenario would be put in that light. But I've thought of Sasuke going for Naruto too, because he's after all exhausted.

[Superman333]

I was thinking could be possible for Sasuke kills Naruto on this war as some sort of betrayal?
I mean he's probably exausted after fighting for too long.

And being honest would be beatifull for Obito's redemption on this arc, instead of pulling an edo tensei and reviving everyone he killed off, he remembers about his own death and the words that about the "losers", so instead of reviving everyone he just revives Naruto.

but if he kills Naruto , won't that mess up the redemption for Sasuke at the end ? If Kishi goes this route and still redeems Sasuke in the end I will be mad at that .  Howevere I like the reviving Naruto part with the edo tensei , and then Naruto comes back and beats the kitten out Sasuke for Hokage , Sakura-CHan shows her true feelings becaue Naruto is dead , that killing of Naruto and reviving him again sounds like a thing that could have a great benefit .

[Shadow1275]

but if he kills Naruto , won't that mess up the redemption for Sasuke at the end ? If Kishi goes this route and still redeems Sasuke in the end I will be mad at that .  Howevere I like the reviving Naruto part with the edo tensei , and then Naruto comes back and beats the kitten out Sasuke for Hokage , Sakura-CHan shows her true feelings becaue Naruto is dead , that killing of Naruto and reviving him again sounds like a thing that could have a great benefit .

I agree, I don't think he will kill Naruto, but perhaps he will steal his tailed beast in order to destroy it. Most of the aliiance will think that Naruto is going to die, including Sakura since Chiyo told her that to her face. Of course they don't know what happens when an Uzumaki loses a tailed beast

[Question22]

This is a guy from manga fox stating hes opinion on NS and SS\NH

Hes netrual and isn't much into pairing stuffs s this is what he says:

 

NS:

 

Trust me mate we are on the same page xD. But i guess while writting my post i forgot about those moment. Just like you said I have been stating the entire time that NaruSaku seems alot more likely to happen.

But what i meant was. Sakura still loves Sasuke. Thats what i meant. Kishi hasn't made her give up yet. My bad I messed up there. Nice reply It supports me although you went againts my statement And I must say i was wrong. After looking at all those panels again. There has indeed been signs showing Sakura developing feelings for him.

And she didn't deny him calling her his girlfriend even if that isn't the case. Sure granted she did hit him but thats all. She didn't say no thats not true so yah another sort of a hint if you would. Despite the fact that NaruHina fans belive.

I do like the idea of NaruHina aswell but like I stated and im stating again.

NaruSaku has ways more chances both logically and plot wise to happen than SasuSaku or NaruHina. Im sorry if that offends people or they find it hard to bare but...thats just how it is

Great post ^

 

SS\NH:

I respect your opinion aswell. Let me remind you im not againts Sakura and Sasuke. Its just that I don't see it as a good relationship because of the actions that happened in the manga entirely. And when it comes to Naruto and Hinata....Yah the ship pretty much took a big blow with what Naruto said to his dad...So that tilts the favor even more towards Naruto x Sakura. Sure it doesn't mean NaruHina is dead however...it's not looking to good at the moment.

Edited by Question22, 20 November 2013 - 09:45 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

This is a guy from manga fox stating hes opinion on NS and SS\NH

Hes netrual and isn't much into pairing stuffs s this is what he says:

 

NS:

 

Trust me mate we are on the same page xD. But i guess while writting my post i forgot about those moment. Just like you said I have been stating the entire time that NaruSaku seems alot more likely to happen.

But what i meant was. Sakura still loves Sasuke. Thats what i meant. Kishi hasn't made her give up yet. My bad I messed up there. Nice reply It supports me although you went againts my statement And I must say i was wrong. After looking at all those panels again. There has indeed been signs showing Sakura developing feelings for him.

And she didn't deny him calling her his girlfriend even if that isn't the case. Sure granted she did hit him but thats all. She didn't say no thats not true so yah another sort of a hint if you would. Despite the fact that NaruHina fans belive.

I do like the idea of NaruHina aswell but like I stated and im stating again.

NaruSaku has ways more chances both logically and plot wise to happen than SasuSaku or NaruHina. Im sorry if that offends people or they find it hard to bare but...thats just how it is

Great post ^

 

SS\NH:

I respect your opinion aswell. Let me remind you im not againts Sakura and Sasuke. Its just that I don't see it as a good relationship because of the actions that happened in the manga entirely. And when it comes to Naruto and Hinata....Yah the ship pretty much took a big blow with what Naruto said to his dad...So that tilts the favor even more towards Naruto x Sakura. Sure it doesn't mean NaruHina is dead however...it's not looking to good at the moment.

 

A fair post

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

but if he kills Naruto , won't that mess up the redemption for Sasuke at the end ? If Kishi goes this route and still redeems Sasuke in the end I will be mad at that .  Howevere I like the reviving Naruto part with the edo tensei , and then Naruto comes back and beats the kitten out Sasuke for Hokage , Sakura-CHan shows her true feelings becaue Naruto is dead , that killing of Naruto and reviving him again sounds like a thing that could have a great benefit .

Mess up how? i mean Sasuke already did a lot of bad things.

Naruto can forgive Sasuke and shows that the others can do the same but still Sasuke's reputation will remain damaged,i believe that's the punishment Sasuke got he's no longer the prodigy kid or that kid that the villagers admired during his childhood, he probably will leave the village or even stay there but would not have the prestige he once had.

 

*it's rinne tensei not edo tensei, edo tensei he would remain dead.

That would put Naruto above others. At least the scenario would be put in that light. But I've thought of Sasuke going for Naruto too, because he's after all exhausted.

Technically they dont know that Obito can ressurrect only one and after all kishi showed that everyone is willing to die for Naruto, so i guess Naruto is technically above the others.

If Obito will ressurrect Naruto why the other people would question his will?

I mean Naruto did more things than then and saved everyone on the war, i dont think they would be selfish enough to say "why you're going to ressurrect him" when they are only alive because of Naruto, remember that Naruto saved everyone's asses two times on this arc, they all should be dead since the Juubi's "Tempen Chii" on 629.

 

I just pointed out this scenario as a prediction because well, Obito ressurrecting everyone would suck, Obito is not going to be in a jail and Naruto already send a message that Obito will do something good to make up for himself, so the only scenarios are "he ressurrecting everyone", "ressurrecting Naruto", or defeating Madara sacrifing himself(unlikely).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 November 2013 - 10:19 PM.

[Psychox]

I was thinking could be possible for Sasuke kills Naruto on this war as some sort of betrayal?
I mean he's probably exausted after fighting for too long.

And being honest would be beatifull for Obito's redemption on this arc, instead of pulling an edo tensei and reviving everyone he killed off, he remembers about his own death and the words that about the "losers", so instead of reviving everyone he just revives Naruto.

 

Pretty much. Sasuke will show his fangs soon enough . Although Naruto has Kurama + SM he can sense Sasuke's evil intentions and can react faster, but the tiredness could lead to his ''death'' , his reflexes could've slowed down till now, who knows ?

 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I am going to be busy for couple of days. Be sure to check out on more of my counter/combo breaker on the comments/excuses I have seen. There will be more soon. Plus no chapter sure makes me have more time. Anyway, I'll come by later and not so often but when the week is over, I'll be back full force.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Pretty much. Sasuke will show his fangs soon enough . Although Naruto has Kurama + SM he can sense Sasuke's evil intentions and can react faster, but the tiredness could lead to his ''death'' , his reflexes could've slowed down till now, who knows ?

 

I have no idea how this works, why hasnt Naruto sensed evilness on Sasuke when he thought about killing him/erasing his past even when he said "burn it down" he acts like he's not aware that Sasuke is evil.
He also doesnt act like he knows Orochimaru is evil either.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 November 2013 - 10:56 PM.