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Posted 15 November 2014 - 11:37 AM

When Sakura confessed to Naruto. He got mad at what she said about sasuke not about the actual confession.

I see a-lot of people saying that Sakura was lying in her confession to Naruto and that's why Naruto gets pissed. And yes she was lying about Sasuke and her reason for why she made the choice to confess to Naruto at that exact point and time. However the point of this thread is that Sakura is not a total b*tch and the reason she did confess to Naruto was to protect him and she did mean a-lot of the things she said to Naruto about why she loves him in the confession. 

First lets take a look at why she confessed to Naruto. Was it just so Naruto would break his promise to her so she could go take matters into her own hands and kill Sasuke? or was it because she desperately does not want to see some one she loves hurt. The Main Reason she went to confess to Naruto is because what Sai said about Naruto really loving her: And because Sasuke and her promise are making Naruto suffer:
   Now people seem to think that Sakura changed her mind about Sasuke because he is a criminal now that hato be put down, but this is a lie. She wants to kill Sasuke now because he is hurting Naruto and she wanting Sasuke back is also hurting naruto. So the whole reason she confessed was so that her feelings about wanting Sasuke back would be erased from naruto's mind that way he would not think he needs to keep his promise, so she no longer hurts naruto. The reason she wants to kill Sasuke is so that Sasuke no longer hurts Naruto

So she wants to kill Sasuke out of her love for him and Naruto

You might say isn't Sakura going to extreme lengths to want to prevent harm to naruto. Well yeah, but remember before Sai's speech she was perfectly content in having Sasuke stay a criminal and chasing after Sasuke with Naruto  in order to save him. So obviously what's changed is that her feelings for not wanting to see Naruto hurt are compelling her to act this way. This isn't the first time she has acted irrationally in responce to something that hurts naruto. For example in chapter 261, Jinchuriki she lashes out at Chiyo about the pain Jinchuriki are made to go through:

Another more important instance might be when she asks to learn Yamato's Bijuu controlling abilities and Yamato hints that she loves narutoAnd in the better Yamato actually says this: "You know Sakura, I can tell just by looking at you.
You really l-"
Notice the "l-" that indicates Yamato is about to Sakura loves Naruto

So in reality its pretty un-fair to say that Sakura's confessions is because she doesn't love Naruto when in reality she does love Naruto. The reason she confessed is because she doesn't want to see him hurt. She is constantly moved to tears every time to she see's him hurt and she can do nothing. She feels like this is the first time she can actually do something by releasing him from her promise and killing Sasuke even if it cost her her life that way Naruto will no longer be hurt by her or Sasuke. I would go so far as to say even if Sakura herself doesn't realize it most of her actions currently are not out of her love for Sasuke, but out of her love for naruto

Sure she also has feelings for Sasuke and she lied about not caring for him anymore and thats why she wants to be the person who kills him and her alone, but at the same time her main drive to accomplish her current missions is not her feelings for Sasuke, but her feelings for Naruto

I also don't believe that Sakura was lying about the reasons why she loves naruto because she is shown blushing and all of the things she says make sense:


Lets break this down Sakura Says that She feels safe when Naruto is around like she can be at peace. Well who was it she called out for during the Pain fight was it Sasuke nope it was naruto:


She says she admired him as the man who protect the village as its hero and of course this is support by this scene:


So as i have been saying though Sakura lied about sasuke she did not lie about loving Naruto. She is a b*tch in the sense that she lied about not loving Sasuke and she made the choice to confess to naruto then, but i think that her confession and her character is not really as big of a b*tch as some people make her out to be. 

She did all this to prevent Naruto from being hurt so she truly does love Naruto and it has been suggested several times that she loves him romantically especially by Yamato so that part of her confession is real. The reasons she states that she loves naruto in her confession are also very real as well(In-fact more real then the reason she loves Sasuke). So i don't see Sakura as a total b*tch, in-fact i respect some of the motivation for her current actions(though not all of her motivation as i will never understand why she loves Sasuke that much). But in the end the thing about Sakura is right now she does not know who she loves more Sasuke or Naruto though i think her actions clearly suggest its Naruto yet she has not come to terms with her feelings for him yet.

Because as i said she is doing all of this for the most part for Naruto. She is killing Sasuke the other guy she loves primarly for Naruto. Though i'm sure she is also doing it because she loves sasuke so she feels its his loved ones responsibility to put him down, but the reason she made the choice that this was the correct course of action was to protect Naruto.

So Yeah i don't think Sakura is as detestable as people are making her out to be. The Timing of her confession and her lying about Sasuke was in some ways detestable, but her motivation to protect Naruto i find pretty honorable and i think that this will be exposed more as time goes on during 2010 and thats what Kishi means by he will now show Sakura as a heroin.

That is exactly why I DO HAVE A FREAKING PROBLEM WITH THE ENDING.

 

Up till that confession, Sakura was just getting closer and closer from Naruto. Then when she said it, she had it play in her mind(she even blush in it. If it were purely platonic, she wouldn't) When Naruto reject, she's pissed and she goes to plan B. Kill Sasuke which she still can do, she loved him too. What that chapter show is that she had mixted feeling. She loved them both

 

What you expected as story progress, is that she had to choose 1 of them (Naruto by showing her she doesn't have a futur with Sasuke). And the manga show that with the random guy love letter, that put her feeling for Sasuke in perspective ( what was the point if not). Then you have when Sasuke arrive, she felt like she can't trust him (no trust for a guy you love, bad start in my book). While we show Naruto appear to save her, Minato showing that she look like Kushina and basically ask her to take care of Naruto. You got the CPR scene (which seem to make her express some of her feeling without calling it love) She just said hat she want to protect his life and his dream no matter what basically. Promisme him that everything will be fine, That doesn't look like love. Kakashi said twice she doesn't havwe romantic feeling toward Sasuke. When I say I love you toward a family member, it's not romantic ( 693 ) . We talk about the good old days as team 7 and we even got Sasuke think about his own family.Plus he state that he doesn't want to play romance and never understand why she like him, befor Kakashi put him in perspective. Naruto before going after Sasuke refer to the promise he made to Sakura.

 

I mean if NH was the only asspull, I'll still be mad. Because toward the course of the story we just need a bench scene to make NS canon. My problem was 699 where everything was throw out of the window and it's all about Sasuke's redemption. Naruto doesn't even talk to anyone else. He never brought the promise to Sakura nor Sakura to him. Everyone regress. It's like a big reset. Forget everything you think you know, it's not gonna happen. SS happening make NH 10 times worst, because it shows that Sakura must be taken so NH could happen. It kill every character we follow, and though I made a post like this maybe 5 times, I'm still pissed. It still doesn't make any sense. 

 

I didn't even mention the whole Sasuke's a**hole attitude and the genjutsu and the stab through her to get an attack. We even see her thinking that Sasuke doesn't care. And Kishi dare say that she's his most realistic character. I believe that until 699. WTF. I still love NAruto and Sakura as character. Kishi raped them, but they're not at fault, their the victim.

 

The real main villain in Naruto was Hinata (how does she fit in a ninja world seriously)  and Kishi's love for Sasuke.

 

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Edited by archangel, 15 November 2014 - 11:41 AM.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 11:47 AM

When Sakura confessed to Naruto. He got mad at what she said about sasuke not about the actual confession.

I see a-lot of people saying that Sakura was lying in her confession to Naruto and that's why Naruto gets pissed. And yes she was lying about Sasuke and her reason for why she made the choice to confess to Naruto at that exact point and time. However the point of this thread is that Sakura is not a total b*tch and the reason she did confess to Naruto was to protect him and she did mean a-lot of the things she said to Naruto about why she loves him in the confession. 

First lets take a look at why she confessed to Naruto. Was it just so Naruto would break his promise to her so she could go take matters into her own hands and kill Sasuke? or was it because she desperately does not want to see some one she loves hurt. The Main Reason she went to confess to Naruto is because what Sai said about Naruto really loving her: And because Sasuke and her promise are making Naruto suffer:
   Now people seem to think that Sakura changed her mind about Sasuke because he is a criminal now that hato be put down, but this is a lie. She wants to kill Sasuke now because he is hurting Naruto and she wanting Sasuke back is also hurting naruto. So the whole reason she confessed was so that her feelings about wanting Sasuke back would be erased from naruto's mind that way he would not think he needs to keep his promise, so she no longer hurts naruto. The reason she wants to kill Sasuke is so that Sasuke no longer hurts Naruto

So she wants to kill Sasuke out of her love for him and Naruto

You might say isn't Sakura going to extreme lengths to want to prevent harm to naruto. Well yeah, but remember before Sai's speech she was perfectly content in having Sasuke stay a criminal and chasing after Sasuke with Naruto  in order to save him. So obviously what's changed is that her feelings for not wanting to see Naruto hurt are compelling her to act this way. This isn't the first time she has acted irrationally in responce to something that hurts naruto. For example in chapter 261, Jinchuriki she lashes out at Chiyo about the pain Jinchuriki are made to go through:

Another more important instance might be when she asks to learn Yamato's Bijuu controlling abilities and Yamato hints that she loves narutoAnd in the better Yamato actually says this: "You know Sakura, I can tell just by looking at you.
You really l-"
Notice the "l-" that indicates Yamato is about to Sakura loves Naruto

So in reality its pretty un-fair to say that Sakura's confessions is because she doesn't love Naruto when in reality she does love Naruto. The reason she confessed is because she doesn't want to see him hurt. She is constantly moved to tears every time to she see's him hurt and she can do nothing. She feels like this is the first time she can actually do something by releasing him from her promise and killing Sasuke even if it cost her her life that way Naruto will no longer be hurt by her or Sasuke. I would go so far as to say even if Sakura herself doesn't realize it most of her actions currently are not out of her love for Sasuke, but out of her love for naruto

Sure she also has feelings for Sasuke and she lied about not caring for him anymore and thats why she wants to be the person who kills him and her alone, but at the same time her main drive to accomplish her current missions is not her feelings for Sasuke, but her feelings for Naruto

I also don't believe that Sakura was lying about the reasons why she loves naruto because she is shown blushing and all of the things she says make sense:


Lets break this down Sakura Says that She feels safe when Naruto is around like she can be at peace. Well who was it she called out for during the Pain fight was it Sasuke nope it was naruto:


She says she admired him as the man who protect the village as its hero and of course this is support by this scene:


So as i have been saying though Sakura lied about sasuke she did not lie about loving Naruto. She is a b*tch in the sense that she lied about not loving Sasuke and she made the choice to confess to naruto then, but i think that her confession and her character is not really as big of a b*tch as some people make her out to be. 

She did all this to prevent Naruto from being hurt so she truly does love Naruto and it has been suggested several times that she loves him romantically especially by Yamato so that part of her confession is real. The reasons she states that she loves naruto in her confession are also very real as well(In-fact more real then the reason she loves Sasuke). So i don't see Sakura as a total b*tch, in-fact i respect some of the motivation for her current actions(though not all of her motivation as i will never understand why she loves Sasuke that much). But in the end the thing about Sakura is right now she does not know who she loves more Sasuke or Naruto though i think her actions clearly suggest its Naruto yet she has not come to terms with her feelings for him yet.

Because as i said she is doing all of this for the most part for Naruto. She is killing Sasuke the other guy she loves primarly for Naruto. Though i'm sure she is also doing it because she loves sasuke so she feels its his loved ones responsibility to put him down, but the reason she made the choice that this was the correct course of action was to protect Naruto.

So Yeah i don't think Sakura is as detestable as people are making her out to be. The Timing of her confession and her lying about Sasuke was in some ways detestable, but her motivation to protect Naruto i find pretty honorable and i think that this will be exposed more as time goes on during 2010 and thats what Kishi means by he will now show Sakura as a heroin.

As far as I know the latest databook prefered to depict all this as Sakura being grateful to Naruto for loving and supporting her, including all instances of trying to save his life (CPR, hugging, etc). So it can be interpreted as Sakura being moved by Naruto's feelings, but not loving him back (and crying because of pity and understanding when Sai tells her about Naruto's feelings). All the scenes we saw could be interpreted as deep comradeship and Sakura being grateful. In the confession scene - her trying to show feelings of being grateful as feelings of love.
Though I think it is a kitten move - introducing and developing such a bond between a woman and a man while stating the presence of love interest from one side (unlike Rukia and Ichigo, for example) only to call it comradeship in the end. Way too misleading, way too much trolling and WAY too much bad writing and genre mismatch as shounen is not meant to have one hundred layers and real life drama.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:01 PM

As far as I know the latest databook prefered to depict all this as Sakura being grateful to Naruto for loving and supporting her, including all instances of trying to save his life (CPR, hugging, etc). So it can be interpreted as Sakura being moved by Naruto's feelings, but not loving him back (and crying because of pity and understanding when Sai tells her about Naruto's feelings). All the scenes we saw could be interpreted as deep comradeship and Sakura being grateful. In the confession scene - her trying to show feelings of being grateful as feelings of love.
Though I think it is a bullsh** move - introducing and developing such a bond between a woman and a man while stating the presence of love interest from one side (unlike Rukia and Ichigo, for example) only to call it comradeship in the end. Way too misleading, way too much trolling and WAY too much bad writing and genre mismatch as shounen is not meant to have one hundred layers and real life drama.

Agreed, plus every freaking parallel shows that they should have end up together.

That feeling of being grateful could have evolve too. Just imagine if Sakura would just let go of Sasuke (due to every logical reason that she had) and Naruto confess. Just the Naruto revealing that he was the one saying her "dream guy" word, the fact that he knows her at her best and worst. That could have been play out. And we even see during part 1 thanks to inner Sakura that she was more like Naruto that she wants to admit it to the world. No need for inner in Shippuden since she's act like herself. I believe she love Naruto since Shippuden minimum. You're grateful to a guy but he made you blush, you're protective to him when people talk thrash about him. Hmm, yeah wasted potential


Edited by archangel, 16 November 2014 - 09:45 AM.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:01 PM

I mean if NH was the only asspull, I'll still be mad. Because toward the course of the story we just need a bench scene to make NS canon. My problem was 699 where everything was throw out of the window and it's all about Sasuke's redemption. Naruto doesn't even talk to anyone else. He never brought the promise to Sakura nor Sakura to him. Everyone regress. It's like a big reset. Forget everything you think you know, it's not gonna happen. SS happening make NH 10 times worst, because it shows that Sakura must be taken so NH could happen. It kill every character we follow, and though I made a post like this maybe 5 times, I'm still pissed. It still doesn't make any sense. 

Well said here. We had so much development that we needed one little scene or even a thought from one character's side (Sakura thinking she loves Naruto) to wrap it into an amazing and believable, anticipated and logical end pairing.

How many scenes and explanations do SS and NH need to reach the same depth and make even remotely similar sense?

There is no question about it - NS was meant to be an endgame OR was a product of bad writing skills. A bad writer doesn't fully understand the concept of responsibility for development he chooses to show or chooses not to show. If you choose to develop something, you are responsible to adress it, if you choose to not develop something, you are responsible to keep it a low priority (not push it into the main focus in the last chapter and movie).
That's it. Kishimoto might think it is ok to develop something and not adress it, to show it one way and then call it another in one last sentence as if it was obvious - and that is purely bad writing. Can you blame a person for making a writing mistake? I am not sure.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:02 PM

As far as I know the latest databook prefered to depict all this as Sakura being grateful to Naruto for loving and supporting her, including all instances of trying to save his life (CPR, hugging, etc). So it can be interpreted as Sakura being moved by Naruto's feelings, but not loving him back (and crying because of pity and understanding when Sai tells her about Naruto's feelings). All the scenes we saw could be interpreted as deep comradeship and Sakura being grateful. In the confession scene - her trying to show feelings of being grateful as feelings of love.
Though I think it is a bullsh** move - introducing and developing such a bond between a woman and a man while stating the presence of love interest from one side (unlike Rukia and Ichigo, for example) only to call it comradeship in the end. Way too misleading, way too much trolling and WAY too much bad writing and genre mismatch as shounen is not meant to have one hundred layers and real life drama.

 

I agree a lot with this


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:04 PM

As far as I know the latest databook prefered to depict all this as Sakura being grateful to Naruto for loving and supporting her, including all instances of trying to save his life (CPR, hugging, etc). So it can be interpreted as Sakura being moved by Naruto's feelings, but not loving him back (and crying because of pity and understanding when Sai tells her about Naruto's feelings). All the scenes we saw could be interpreted as deep comradeship and Sakura being grateful. In the confession scene - her trying to show feelings of being grateful as feelings of love.
Though I think it is a bullsh** move - introducing and developing such a bond between a woman and a man while stating the presence of love interest from one side (unlike Rukia and Ichigo, for example) only to call it comradeship in the end. Way too misleading, way too much trolling and WAY too much bad writing and genre mismatch as shounen is not meant to have one hundred layers and real life drama.

I believe we call that a "cop-out"

It belongs right up there with "It was all just a dream." It basically a cop-out explanation on why you don't have to explain it.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:14 PM

Even in the last two freaking chapters that will haunt us forever here is how Naruto was when Sakura was near him and when she wasn't. That big as a sun smile that is stated to be the sign of liking someone a lot or\and being happy is what I missed the most in the last chapter that was meant to show us the apex, the highest point of Naruto's journey. 

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:20 PM

They're doing the best to go and ignore their developments as well as retconning and copping out many scenes by ending it without any mentions, as in to say Sakura did something taboo, so she must be banned and made no mention again, only for Sasuke because well, he's the protagonist. "But the title is-" "THE PROTAGONIST!" Anyway, it's the art of manipulation and everything you once knew won't matter anymore. There are way too many of them, so the best is to ignore it. Even bringing up feelings wise, it will be heavily exposed. It's all bet on people not thinking deep about the overall to make sure they are seen as consistent.



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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:26 PM

So Sakura, being touched by his feelings, decides to kiss him for doing a CPR while Kishimoto could just make her saving him by pumping his heart without any useless "kiss" ?

 

or Itachi saying to Naruto "The reason why you father became Hokage is that because he had your mother Kushina and his friends to support him". Except that Hinata never supported Naruto for his dream.

 

and there're even many others reckon/trolling hints

 

That's what I call a "supreme trolling".


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:29 PM

NS fans are heavily trolled tbh
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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:33 PM

So Sakura, being touched by his feelings, decides to kiss him for doing a CPR while Kishimoto could just make her saving him by pumping his heart without any useless "kiss" ?

 

or Itachi saying to Naruto "The reason why you father became Hokage is that because he had your mother Kushina and his friends to support him". Except that Hinata never supported Naruto for his dream.

 

and there're even many others reckon/trolling hints

 

That's what I call a "supreme trolling".

 

Just you wait and watch the movie explain you that Hinata is the reason why Naruto became Hokage..... Ugh....


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:34 PM

As far as I know the latest databook prefered to depict all this as Sakura being grateful to Naruto for loving and supporting her, including all instances of trying to save his life (CPR, hugging, etc). So it can be interpreted as Sakura being moved by Naruto's feelings, but not loving him back (and crying because of pity and understanding when Sai tells her about Naruto's feelings). All the scenes we saw could be interpreted as deep comradeship and Sakura being grateful. In the confession scene - her trying to show feelings of being grateful as feelings of love.
Though I think it is a bullsh** move - introducing and developing such a bond between a woman and a man while stating the presence of love interest from one side (unlike Rukia and Ichigo, for example) only to call it comradeship in the end. Way too misleading, way too much trolling and WAY too much bad writing and genre mismatch as shounen is not meant to have one hundred layers and real life drama.

 

Understanding of one and another is the basic concept of "developement". Naruto came to understand why he likes Sakura in chapter 3. They both wanted the same thing: Being aknowledged by the ones they love. 

I agree with you - its a kitten move to get out of this "mess". 

And honestly - even if it was just meant as "comradeship" - NaruSaku still holds place No. 1 in the most developed characters in Naruto.

And the two most developed characters are meant to be the hero and the heroine - and if you're gonna imply a romance between them, you have to go for it. 

You can't just say "ahhh nononono It was just friendship ..." at the end. This won't wash. Your readers will start to loose their trust in you as an author, because such moves are implying that you don't have any idea what you're actually doing. It is straightforward bad writing. 

 

That's probably the most annoying thing for me. That I trusted Kishimoto. 


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:36 PM

 

Just you wait and watch the movie explain you that Hinata is the reason why Naruto became Hokage..... Ugh....

 

A kitten movie does not make up what he has written in his story. 

If this really happens, I'll laugh. It makes him look even more pathetic as a writer. 


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:36 PM

 

Just you wait and watch the movie explain you that Hinata is the reason why Naruto became Hokage..... Ugh....

 

she has boobs? She is the leader of the strongest and anciest clan of Konoha? I dunno.


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#11335 Elicit

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:43 PM

Hinata never gave a kitten about Naruto's feelings, yet he gets with him.

 

Sasuke never gave a kitten about Naruto's feelings, yet he gets with Sakura.



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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:43 PM

 
Just you wait and watch the movie explain you that Hinata is the reason why Naruto became Hokage..... Ugh....


wow!! SO NARUTO LACKED HIS OWN ABILITY!! He became Hokage cuz he was son-in-law of Hyuga clan leader

loooooool

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:46 PM

 

A sh*tty movie does not make up what he has written in his story. 

If this really happens, I'll laugh. It makes him look even more pathetic as a writer. 

 

I agree with you. I think I'll laugh too... Actually I've come to this state where I laugh at every kitten from SP. It all became so out of space... but I'm still sad to see all this, because Naruto's love for Sakura was so strong... and it will feel so awkward when they will rewrite the past to make it look like Naruto was meant to love Hinata...


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:58 PM

 and it will feel so awkward when they will rewrite the past to make it look like Naruto was meant to love Hinata...

It won't just feel awkward - it will feel insulting. Not just to the readers with reading comprehension, but to the author himself even though he might just shrug it off and not care. After all pairings are a little part of the story, it is not like it ruined main themes of Naruto like never giving up....oh wait.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 01:03 PM

 

I agree with you. I think I'll laugh too... Actually I've come to this state where I laugh at every bullshit from SP. It all became so out of space... but I'm still sad to see all this, because Naruto's love for Sakura was so strong... and it will feel so awkward when they will rewrite the past to make it look like Naruto was meant to love Hinata...

 

 

I explained to someone recently (who didn't read Naruto) that the ending was like an April Fool's prank. Everything was wrong, nothing made sense. But then...it turned out to be real. Ugh.



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Posted 15 November 2014 - 01:05 PM

It won't just feel awkward - it will feel insulting. Not just to the readers with reading comprehension, but to the author himself even though he might just shrug it off and not care. After all pairings are a little part of the story, it is not like it ruined main themes of Naruto like never giving up....oh wait.

:chuckle: :chuckle: this is a good one Alessa people still do not realize that doing so kishi destroyed the moral of the storie :chuckle:






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