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#11321 redragon88

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Feb 26 2013, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shes not a slut we all know that. But she was made to be "fetish" character which shows in part 2. But when you think about it out of all the girls in the generation she is the most sexualy advanced. Which also shows in her style of clothing. So I stand by my statement, compared to the others she is the most likely to have had sex at some point.

But please dont tell me you never looked at Inos character and thaught: "Shes experienced"

Not really. Way too many anime girls are made to have sex appeal but in the end are just as inexperienced with love as any other teenager in anime. The only type of manga to have teens the might be implied to have had sex already are the ones aimed at young adults. Remember that Naruto is aimed at preteens.

I understand why the thought would cross your mind but you're applying a western mentality to it. Japan likes their conservatism, female inexperience is very attractive back there. Well, it's appealing everywhere, but Japan really loves it more than most.

#11322 Kakashi-Sensei

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:39 AM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Feb 26 2013, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah the good times. Now all we do is complain about NH and make sex jokes.
While the topic is open. Hinata in bed and Sakura in bed. Imagine the difference. Again NS the superior couple.

I didnt have a chance to do this yet

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I Agree with you i think the last interaction that Naruto and Sakura has was when Sakura was protect by Naruto from the Zetsu clones... Even then it was minor and long time ago

I think that we can understand now what feeling the Naruhina fans has been trought along the whole serie heheelq7.png

Even now i think we will have to wait longer to see the next NaruSaku moment, because of the Flashback of Hashirama/Madara and the previous hokages situation.

Cant wait to see them together again ! happy.gif

Edited by Kakashi-Sensei, 27 February 2013 - 12:40 AM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:03 AM

@Kakashi-Sensei

Your sig is pretty nice. That how I want Sakura to address her feelings once again if Kishi gives her the chance. It really sounded weird for Sakura to say she now loves him because he became a great hero and she's now like the rest of the people that love him. That really diminishes the power of her confession.

If she can address that she still gets annoyed by Naruto's quirks but that she wouldn't change how he is for anything in the world that would feel more of a Sakura thing to say. If Naruto didn't get on her nerves from time to time then he wouldn't be the same guy she has fallen in love with, so him changing his nature would be unacceptable for Sakura. "You're an idiot, but you're my idiot.", that really is more fitting in regards to Sakura's feelings.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 02:59 AM

What is the lesson that we would learn if NH happened? I'm really trying to think of something but I can't.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:12 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Feb 26 2013, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What is the lesson that we would learn if NH happened? I'm really trying to think of something but I can't.

Anything or anyone can betray its work by pulling a fast one. laugh.gif

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:12 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 26 2013, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do believe Sakura will team up with Naruto as a duo against someone, but it is yet to be seen. She has been saying this since end of part 1, but now, she is 100% determined to do so. To me, I feel that while in combat, something will click her to think about Naruto being more than a friend. Naruto is the voice and whenever you get near, you'll feel something powerful. How else Sasuke stopped going killing spree in Kage Summit Arc? Pretty much Sasuke and Sakura are the biggest challenge to Naruto to change them. I can see why Kishi made that love explanation in 619 to make Sasuke becoming good "impossible".


Yessss a team up fight would be awesome and really cool, great w.e u wanna call, but i wanna see one. Good Job


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Feb 26 2013, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What is the lesson that we would learn if NH happened? I'm really trying to think of something but I can't.

Lesson to Jerk Off and start creating our own work, get it o the air and help the future generation, not deal with this.


Just quick note somewhat related to taiora, Harry and Hermione also f**cked me, I mean come on she practically acted like Sakura, crying, hugging, by his side, and there was NOOOOO indication of her getting with Ron till much much later.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:13 AM

Even if you don't talk to your crush for years, if you unnecessarily risk your life for him while telling him you've loved him for so long, you may gain his love 5ever and ever. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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#11328 xxRomanceGirlxx

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:45 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What is the lesson that we would learn if NH happened? I'm really trying to think of something but I can't.


If you admire the image a guy projects to you to restore confidence in yourself, it doesn't matter if you don't know who he truly is and you barely interact with him, he will fall in love with you because you want him to. All you have to do is wait and he'll come to you.

Great message, right? kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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#11329 Slextrem

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 26 2013, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you admire the image a guy projects to you to restore confidence in yourself, it doesn't matter if you don't know who he truly is and you barely interact with him, he will fall in love with you because you want him to. All you have to do is wait and he'll come to you.

Great message, right? kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Bolded: It's funny because I've seen other fans make that argument against NS, as if it's the only pairing facing that issue:
"I'll never understand NaruSaku. Having to sit around and wait for years for your crush to like you back is such a bad message!"
They don't realize that applies to all of the other main ships as well? huh.gif

SasuSaku ---> Sakura waiting on Sasuke.
NaruHina ---> Hinata waiting on Naruto.
NaruSaku ---> Naruto waiting on Sakura.

Although we've at least seen some reciprocation from Sakura to Naruto.

Edited by Slextrem, 27 February 2013 - 04:47 AM.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:00 AM







Really, Kishi?

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:09 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Feb 27 2013, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: It's funny because I've seen other fans make that argument against NS, as if it's the only pairing facing that issue:
"I'll never understand NaruSaku. Having to sit around and wait for years for your crush to like you back is such a bad message!"
They don't realize that applies to all of the other main ships as well? huh.gif

SasuSaku ---> Sakura waiting on Sasuke.
NaruHina ---> Hinata waiting on Naruto.
NaruSaku ---> Naruto waiting on Sakura.

Although we've at least seen some reciprocation from Sakura to Naruto.


I know, it really is a double standard, I wonder if they realize it or not. However, I see NaruSaku as different than NaruHina in this case because Naruto actually tries to be there for Sakura and understand her on a regular basis. He's not like Hinata who decided to not take an active role in his life until much later. True, they're both waiting and Naruto's not exactly forcing his feelings but he doesn't actually expect anything. If Sakura loves him, great. If she doesn't, then he'll still be there for her and be her best friend for the rest of his life. I sometimes wonder if Hinata's love for Naruto can be that selfless, I still feel like she expects him to reciprocate her feelings now. I still hope I'm wrong, that'd be so terrible for her character. sad.gif

But that argument isn't as bad as this one from a NH fan:

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I'm so glad NaruHina's close to becoming canon now, it's so obvious that Kishi's finally doing it. Besides, we know Naruto will be with her because Kishimoto chose to draw her with the same body type as those girls in Konohamaru's girl-on-girl jutsu, the ones he was attracted to. Of course he'll be with her.


Are some NaruHina fans really that desperate for proof? And what's more odd is that 20 people liked that comment. I don't really understand how this helps NaruHina become canon. ermm.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 27 February 2013 - 07:44 AM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:01 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 27 2013, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But that argument isn't as bad as this one from a NH fan:

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I'm so glad NaruHina's close to becoming canon now, it's so obvious that Kishi's finally doing it. Besides, we know Naruto will be with her because Kishimoto chose to draw her with the same body type as those girls in Konohamaru's girl-on-girl jutsu, the ones he was attracted to. Of course he'll be with her.


Are some NaruHina fans really that desperate for proof? And what's more odd is that 20 people liked that comment. I don't really understand how this helps NaruHina become canon. ermm.gif

My head hit the table with that quote. They really don't get it, do they?

Konohamaru's sexy jutsu basically shows the irony of who Naruto and Sakura lust after in comparison to the one they actually fall in love with. While Sakura feels attracted to silent and cool guys (naked Sasuke and Sai) she ends up falling for the loud and funny guy (Naruto), and while Naruto feels attracted to seductive big chested girls (the two naked girls) he ends up falling for the gentle small/normal chested girl (Sakura).

It's so funny how Naruto and Sakura parallel each other with their perversion, and it's even more funny that Kishi loves parallels so much that he uses them for such moments:



QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Feb 27 2013, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>






Really, Kishi?

At least Hashirama's personality is not just some copy of Naruto. They are similar but Hashirama is a more sensitive guy. laugh.gif

Edited by redragon88, 27 February 2013 - 07:04 AM.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:36 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Feb 26 2013, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What is the lesson that we would learn if NH happened? I'm really trying to think of something but I can't.

That's an easy one.

If enough people threaten to murder the author of a manga, then he will change his end pairing.

Edited by Branden, 27 February 2013 - 07:38 AM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:50 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 27 2013, 04:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My head hit the table with that quote. They really don't get it, do they?

Konohamaru's sexy jutsu basically shows the irony of who Naruto and Sakura lust after in comparison to the one they actually fall in love with. While Sakura feels attracted to silent and cool guys (naked Sasuke and Sai) she ends up falling for the loud and funny guy (Naruto), and while Naruto feels attracted to seductive big chested girls (the two naked girls) he ends up falling for the gentle small/normal chested girl (Sakura).

It's so funny how Naruto and Sakura parallel each other with their perversion, and it's even more funny that Kishi loves parallels so much that he uses them for such moments:


Knew you would respond to that, redragon. laugh.gif I know, I couldn't believe the desperation either. I facepalmed when I read that. My exact thought was "Okay ... but Naruto has been strongly attracted to Sakura ever since the beginning and expressed it, yet has never shown the same towards Hinata, not once. What's more, he fell in love with Sakura. Are you really lying to yourself that badly?"

I think what I facepalmed at more was the fact that 20 people liked that comment. Seriously, if I was a NH fan, I'd be embarrassed for liking that comment. Denial/grasping for straws can only go so far. sleep.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 27 February 2013 - 08:31 AM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:58 AM

^ Why is the first sentence from my quote actually the last one from your quote? laugh.gif

QUOTECEPTION!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:00 AM

If I can add to the earlier discussion about Sakura's smiles, does anyone remember just after their last encounter with Sasuke, back at Konoha where Sakura came to Ichiraku's to inform Naruto that Tsunade was finally awake? That scene showed the two apparantly copying/mimicing one another's facial/bodily expressions. Sakura grinned like Naruto would, and Naruto in turn performed an arm gesture that mirroed one Sakura had given to him previously, and his mother Kushina would later give to him.

Interesting, IMO. What about yourselves?

EDIT: @xxRGxx - The link is to mangareader - Chapter 489, page 7; but you remember it anyway, so yeah. smile.gif

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:31 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 27 2013, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Why is the first sentence from my quote actually the last one from your quote? laugh.gif

QUOTECEPTION!


Lmao, I just noticed that! First time that's ever happened to me. XD

Fixed. biggrin.gif

@Quinny52: Can't read from the website you posted for the link, but I do remember what you're talking about. I thought it was very interesting, I think that's one of the first time I've seen that. Possibly Kishimoto did it without realizing, knowing him, but still it was interesting. Sakura and Naruto are similiar to each other, after all. smile.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 27 February 2013 - 08:34 AM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

QUOTE (Quinny52 @ Feb 27 2013, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I can add to the earlier discussion about Sakura's smiles, does anyone remember just after their last encounter with Sasuke, back at Konoha where Sakura came to Ichiraku's to inform Naruto that Tsunade was finally awake? That scene showed the two apparantly copying/mimicing one another's facial/bodily expressions. Sakura grinned like Naruto would, and Naruto in turn performed an arm gesture that mirroed one Sakura had given to him previously, and his mother Kushina would later give to him.

Interesting, IMO. What about yourselves?

EDIT: @xxRGxx - The link is to mangareader - Chapter 489, page 7; but you remember it anyway, so yeah. smile.gif

nice find, it amazes me how often people notice things i dont. personally Im not certain what it means. it could just be a common way for Kishi to display his character's experession. it could also be yet another parallel that makes readers see how similar they are. in any case it helps our pairing, even if only slightly

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:05 AM

I may have overreacted when i said she was slutty but that's how i felt she was coming across when it was said she was getting laid from 12-16 years old.

Anyway ill drop this, i don't want to get into arguments. a_comfort.gif

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Feb 27 2013, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That made me spit out my fruit punch.


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QUOTE (Quinny52 @ Feb 27 2013, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Codus - Jame, Slex AND xxRGxx all on one team?? That's almost cruel...

... I LIKE IT!!

Though, consideing the average size of a LAP from those 3 It'll make for some long, juicy debate.


A manifesto would probably work better with these powerhouses instead of a podcast, I think.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 27 2013, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jeez man, Bakuman really traumatized you didn't it?


Yes, I admit it. sweatdrop.gif

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You really have to stop taking that so seriously. Wasn't it argued already that the polls are more influent on the mangaka newcomers? Kishi is the second most important mangaka of Japan, and maybe number one world wide (it's a pity One Piece never really took off outside Japan). I don't think anyone is demanding that he changes the course of his story given the success record that he holds.

The most they do is give Kishi advice on what to add and what to cut, and Kishi likes taking advice from time to time. If Kishi thinks that the recommended change is good or at least acceptable he'll go along with it, other wise I'm sure he would take issue with it. Besides, didn't Kishi constantly changed editors some years back? Does that sound like a man who is whipped into doing the will of others?

The more successful you are the more stuff you can get away with, even Kishi demonstrates it with Road to Ninja. He constantly kept making last minute changes in the story to the point of tiring out the staff. Now that's a man with true power.

In any case, please don't compare changing writers to changing editors. They are not even close, let alone almost the same. The editors gives ideas to the writer, but at the end of the day it's the same writer who develops that idea. Making another person write the same story will likely have way notable effects since no one person thinks the same.


Yes, you're very correct about that. But the thing is, it's what the editor does afterwards that's the problem. I can't say for sure, but what if Kishi's editor is the Miura type??. The one who just literally gets his ideas off "data". This type of editor is the one that cares jack kitten about the story consistency and just wants to please the fans with fanservice even if it kills the story overall. All for the sake of getting the top position in ratings.

You can even see that in the manga, some editors like to put the strong grip on mangakas. If Kishi's editor is the authoritarian type, and also the Miura type, then you have one sh*tty editor.

Kishi changing editors can be either of these two things: Kishi personally requested it as you imply, or just a simple rotation. Either way, that rumor doesn't have 100% validity. The info from Bakuman on the other hand, is what we can believe to be 98% valid.

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 27 2013, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aw, I have gone bright red. tongue.gif Thanks for considering. Really, many can fit the spot.


The way I see it, the composition feels similar to the FT team on the last day of the tournament. The FT community had been plunged into a pretty heated debate when some were kittening and moaning about Mira not being on the roster, despite it being said "the strongest team". Instead, Gray was in her place. The Pro-Gray faction which I was a part of, argued that with so many powerhouses on the same team (who, mind you, are all offensive types) needs someone to balance them all out. Gray is a Jack-of-All trades amongst the roster.

If the team were forced into an all-out brawl with another team all together, someone like Gray would be needed. Gray is not overly powerful, but he has versatility and is the most level-headed of the team.

Now, getting to the point, I believe you would be perfect as you're perhaps the most level-headed of the team I suggested. You're the perfect person to grab their shirts from behind before they do anything they might regret. While the other 3 are perhaps the best debaters in our camp, they do have one fatal flaw..... ( at least, from what I can see) it doesn't take long until someone pushes their berserk buttons and then everything goes to hell. You on the other hand, I feel would be the best person to help them in this regard.

Of course, I do not mean by anything by this, so if I offended you three I truly apologize. I'm just saying that if we were to seriously put together a team, we would need to assess the strength of each members and their weaknesses in debating. And this is my honest assessment of the members most suited for an all-out debate war.

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