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[六道仙人]

Yeah SS fans are like kinda that... Sakura is beautiful and strong only when she thinks about Sasuke or he's around her. Sasuke is genuine and good only when he's thinking about Sakura and their bond and became possessive when she's going against him. Something like that LOL

[咲耶姫]

But it's understandable, Sakura only becames relevant because of team 7, it's impossible to deny it, Sakura was on the background the whole fight, until Sasuke come back and Team 7 was once again on the ground, then she started having a more active role.

I blame Kishi for not giving development for not including Sakura on the hatred thing or even on peace.

iT kinda sucks on a manga based in peace and Kishi tells that everything will be resolved with Sasuke being saved.

 

You said it: Team 7 NOT Sasuke only. And even before he arrived, they were saying that she made her speech in chapter 630because Sasuke was coming. 

I still fail to understand this logic. She has not thinked about Sasuke individually once since he arrived (except the "Sasuke-kun!" in chapter 632) so how could you believe that she's improving because he's here?

She improved in chapter 632 because she had vowed in the Forest of Death that she would not stay on the background anymore and when she saw Sasuke and Naruto fighting, she remembered that moment. There was nothing romantic like some SS fans tend to believe. 

[咲耶姫]

She did not, obviously people will tend to bash her because of the Sasuke thing, i'm saying is that Sakura lacks something of her own, which doesnt not involve team 7 personally, yep did 630 happened but it was close to the team 7 aspect.

When Sakura appeared we already knew that Sasuke would come and we would have TEAM 7 stuff once again, Sakura got her powerup because of the team 7, she started fighting because of the team 7, she awakened her seal because of the team 7.
It's missing things of her own, like a fight that she had on Sasori, Sakura got a lot of missed opportunities on this arc.

If they think that's because of Sasuke that she's doing that, it's wrong obviously but it does relate to Sasuke because he's part of the team 7.
Im' talking is why she didnt awaken that seal before the team7, why she could not felt that she reached them without fighting alongside them on that part.

You do realize that she fought like for 1-2 chapters to get back to the background healing once again.

 

Yes, I agree. I was so disappointed that she didn't interact with Chiyô. It was the perfect oppotunity for her to have a fight on her own. She was the only one to have a real bond with Chiyô. It makes you wonder why Kishimoto revived her. I was so sure that Sakura would get a fight with her, but no. I think it's the biggest mistake with Sakura on this arc. Well not mistake, but missing opportunity. 

 

Yes, unfortunately. It's really sad, Kishi trats Sakura like a side character that goes back in the background once she had her shinning moment. 

He really did a bad job on the War Arc. And not only for Sakura. 

[ramenanmitsu]

@darkerest
Cool, you're learning Japanese! If you need any help you can ask me.

You meant the one where she made a constipated face? Gotta love Japan.

 
It's probably from that old saying "A girl becomes more beautiful when she's in love".
 
What I'm surprised is that the comment came from a guy. I thought that by now every single guy in the planet hated SS (or maybe he's an NH fan, so he talks about SS by association).
 
I guess it's inevitable. Sakura's wrong love for Sasuke has been taken so out of context to the point that it becomes a parody. It seems people will simply get stuck with the idea of "Sakura will forever love Sasuke since she hasn't stopped until now" instead of "Sakura loving Sasuke is her greatest character flaw, but it won't go away until her character arc is done, which will only happen near the end".

  
I also think that it was a NH fan that got annoyed with all the attention Sakura is getting instead of Hinata. Recently the Sakura loves Sasuke posts has increased mainly because they cannot write NH posts after chapter 631. So their only hope is for Sakura to still have feelings for Sasuke. (After chapter 631, when people make angry comments about the focus being on Sakura instead of Hinata, people on the thread just dismissed them as butthurts.)

Sorry, it might have been chapter 653.

What's the division of NS vs NH/SS in japanese threads? At least the one you go to.
 
From what I hear (I think Megi is who mentioned it), in Japan everyone ships whoever they like, but there's a general acceptance that NS is what's meant to happen if a couple becomes canon.
 
Is that how you see things in the places you read?

Yes, I guess Megi is correct. SS is the most popular pairing but people ship it as a hobby like SasoSaku or ItaSaku. They understand NaruSaku is going to be canon. The same cannot be said for NH shippers, they bring out the Sakura still loves Sasuke argument. That is the only thing they are standing on and they know it.
  

I’m really tired of this thing! Ever since Sasuke arrived in the battlefield, everytime Sakura does something, it’s because Sasuke’s here:
 
-She’s badass in chapter 632, it’s because Sasuke’s here
-She asks information to Hinata, it’s because she worries only about Sasuke
-She’s cute, it’s because Sasuke’s here
 
And when I say it like that, it looks like a joke, but they aren’t kidding, they are very serious when they say things like that. Well, some of them are.
 
No wonder why all SS fans say that Sakura could never love Naruto because her love for Sasuke is so unwavering. They are convincing themselves that it’s like that. They really believe that it’s true, but in reality they don’t understand Sakura at all, they still see her as the 12 years ago fan girl she was.
But let’s face it, since Sasuke arrived in the battlefield, she didn’t care at all for him individually.

As I said to reddragon above, it's not really the SS fans that are fixated on Sakura's love for Sasuke. It's the NH that understands that Naruto won't change his feelings, who are saying these arguments. Well that's how I see it is in the Japanese fandom.

[Inferno180]

One thing that honestly bugs me,

 

how many fans of NH actually followed the Kushina foreshadow highly like us NS fans, only for 631 to come and they seriously act like its just not important now because it was referring towards NS? Is it really just that fact that if they hate NS they honestly now try to distance everything NH from MK or somehow even thought that there is a similarity between Hinata and Minato? Seriously, whoever did create that must have wanted to use a chewbacca defense so that there was something trying to divert the simple notion that Kushina is like Sakura.

 

Seriously if 631 didn't make that clear, I don't know how much more kishi needs to do. I mean people can disregard 631 all they want, but its not the fact of a parallel people should listen for, its simply just keeping a mind out that this could lead somewhere, there is direct evidence that this moment in 631 can highly be linked back to the kushina foreshadow and the fact kishi himself said he would make 1 pairing canon, 1 case of unretiquited love returned. Well going by process of elimination and just plan character development, as we have seen Sakura is not trusting Sasuke so thats a sudden shift for the worse for SS and NH just hasn't had enough screentime or development and even then, its still just the simple fact if 615 was supposed to deciede everything then why did 631 come the way it did? Minato could have just gone and skipped the girlfriend part, save it for later, just thank Sakura for healing naruto and say he is narutos father instead of the girlfriend question, naruto could have just said no plain and simple, he could have let sakura speak, but kishi chose to present a link of similarity between sakura and kushina as referred by minato. The one simple notion of Sakura being the only girl like Kushina stands on its own, its just a possibility for a future people should be thinking as open yet they choose to ignore it. I mean when simple stuff like this comes up, its no wonder many of us may become lazy in debating, if people try to spin simple facts like this then well why bother? I had so many debates with people on what do they make of 631 but everytime I just say "This doesn't change the fact that Sakura is the only girl canonically compared with kushina now is it? Naruto is like both his parents but Kushina said a girl and so far, Sakura is the only girl so why is it that NH has some notion to overcome this if its been established? Its not just a simple parallel, the Sakura-Kushina link its an additional element on the Kushina foreshadow, its not been overcome or undermined, its lingering in the back until later, so if we really need to take Kushinas forshadow to heart as a story element for one part of the ending, then how much more can we attribute it too? I mean Minato did say Sakura is like Kushina so how can this honeslty not be important as so many try to make it? Its just people ignore stuff like this and well, 631 may have been the end all along, NS isn't canon but with 631 pointing towards one foreshadow and 635 pointing toward one sakura isn't going to like with sasuke, what else do we have to go on?

[BlueStarSaber]

Say is this wiki biased? http://protagonist.w...i/Sakura_Haruno

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Say is this wiki biased? http://protagonist.w...i/Sakura_Haruno

 

Most definitely. I love how they just gloss over the development between Naruto and Sakura, while over-exaggerating her feelings for Sasuke. Where did it ever say conclusively in the manga that Sakura "does not reciprocate" Naruto's feelings?  Whoever is responsible for that character bio is taking some interpretive liberties, instead of just presenting the information objectively, like they should.

[BlueStarSaber]

 

Most definitely. I love how they just gloss over the development between Naruto and Sakura, while over-exaggerating her feelings for Sasuke. Where did it ever say conclusively in the manga that Sakura "does not reciprocate" Naruto's feelings?  Whoever is responsible for that character bio is taking some interpretive liberties, instead of just presenting the information objectively, like they should.

 

Ok just checking cause I didn't really read it, most likely a copy of the Narutopedia bio.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 18 November 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hey, I want you to give me all the quotes you hear from all fandom pairings via message or tumblr and see if I can counter. Something I need to feel challenged.

[Jake]

One thing that honestly bugs me,

 

how many fans of NH actually followed the Kushina foreshadow highly like us NS fans, only for 631 to come and they seriously act like its just not important now because it was referring towards NS? Is it really just that fact that if they hate NS they honestly now try to distance everything NH from MK or somehow even thought that there is a similarity between Hinata and Minato? Seriously, whoever did create that must have wanted to use a chewbacca defense so that there was something trying to divert the simple notion that Kushina is like Sakura.

 

Seriously if 631 didn't make that clear, I don't know how much more kishi needs to do. I mean people can disregard 631 all they want, but its not the fact of a parallel people should listen for, its simply just keeping a mind out that this could lead somewhere, there is direct evidence that this moment in 631 can highly be linked back to the kushina foreshadow and the fact kishi himself said he would make 1 pairing canon, 1 case of unretiquited love returned. Well going by process of elimination and just plan character development, as we have seen Sakura is not trusting Sasuke so thats a sudden shift for the worse for SS and NH just hasn't had enough screentime or development and even then, its still just the simple fact if 615 was supposed to deciede everything then why did 631 come the way it did? Minato could have just gone and skipped the girlfriend part, save it for later, just thank Sakura for healing naruto and say he is narutos father instead of the girlfriend question, naruto could have just said no plain and simple, he could have let sakura speak, but kishi chose to present a link of similarity between sakura and kushina as referred by minato. The one simple notion of Sakura being the only girl like Kushina stands on its own, its just a possibility for a future people should be thinking as open yet they choose to ignore it. I mean when simple stuff like this comes up, its no wonder many of us may become lazy in debating, if people try to spin simple facts like this then well why bother? I had so many debates with people on what do they make of 631 but everytime I just say "This doesn't change the fact that Sakura is the only girl canonically compared with kushina now is it? Naruto is like both his parents but Kushina said a girl and so far, Sakura is the only girl so why is it that NH has some notion to overcome this if its been established? Its not just a simple parallel, the Sakura-Kushina link its an additional element on the Kushina foreshadow, its not been overcome or undermined, its lingering in the back until later, so if we really need to take Kushinas forshadow to heart as a story element for one part of the ending, then how much more can we attribute it too? I mean Minato did say Sakura is like Kushina so how can this honeslty not be important as so many try to make it? Its just people ignore stuff like this and well, 631 may have been the end all along, NS isn't canon but with 631 pointing towards one foreshadow and 635 pointing toward one sakura isn't going to like with sasuke, what else do we have to go on?

 

While reading this I just had the thought what if Naruto answered "Not yet" in 631?

[bthug]

Here's a random thought….you know what I think is gonna happen at the end, when Naruto is Hokage and Married to Sakura, the first thing he will do is fix the hyuga clan, and NH fans will use that has proof the their is something on the side between the two lol. 

[narulsaku]

One thing that honestly bugs me,
 
how many fans of NH actually followed the Kushina foreshadow highly like us NS fans, only for 631 to come and they seriously act like its just not important now because it was referring towards NS? Is it really just that fact that if they hate NS they honestly now try to distance everything NH from MK or somehow even thought that there is a similarity between Hinata and Minato? Seriously, whoever did create that must have wanted to use a chewbacca defense so that there was something trying to divert the simple notion that Kushina is like Sakura.
 
Seriously if 631 didn't make that clear, I don't know how much more kishi needs to do. I mean people can disregard 631 all they want, but its not the fact of a parallel people should listen for, its simply just keeping a mind out that this could lead somewhere, there is direct evidence that this moment in 631 can highly be linked back to the kushina foreshadow and the fact kishi himself said he would make 1 pairing canon, 1 case of unretiquited love returned. Well going by process of elimination and just plan character development, as we have seen Sakura is not trusting Sasuke so thats a sudden shift for the worse for SS and NH just hasn't had enough screentime or development and even then, its still just the simple fact if 615 was supposed to deciede everything then why did 631 come the way it did? Minato could have just gone and skipped the girlfriend part, save it for later, just thank Sakura for healing naruto and say he is narutos father instead of the girlfriend question, naruto could have just said no plain and simple, he could have let sakura speak, but kishi chose to present a link of similarity between sakura and kushina as referred by minato. The one simple notion of Sakura being the only girl like Kushina stands on its own, its just a possibility for a future people should be thinking as open yet they choose to ignore it. I mean when simple stuff like this comes up, its no wonder many of us may become lazy in debating, if people try to spin simple facts like this then well why bother? I had so many debates with people on what do they make of 631 but everytime I just say "This doesn't change the fact that Sakura is the only girl canonically compared with kushina now is it? Naruto is like both his parents but Kushina said a girl and so far, Sakura is the only girl so why is it that NH has some notion to overcome this if its been established? Its not just a simple parallel, the Sakura-Kushina link its an additional element on the Kushina foreshadow, its not been overcome or undermined, its lingering in the back until later, so if we really need to take Kushinas forshadow to heart as a story element for one part of the ending, then how much more can we attribute it too? I mean Minato did say Sakura is like Kushina so how can this honeslty not be important as so many try to make it? Its just people ignore stuff like this and well, 631 may have been the end all along, NS isn't canon but with 631 pointing towards one foreshadow and 635 pointing toward one sakura isn't going to like with sasuke, what else do we have to go on?

besides from 631 till now sakura is just thinking about naruto. when he gave kyubiis power to everyone on the field also when he started fight in 9tail mode. when he healed sikamaru. in almost every epsode she thought about naruto. not sasuke. how can people still like sasusaku. it was dead way back when sasuke tried to kill her.

[redragon88]

 

While reading this I just had the thought what if Naruto answered "Not yet" in 631?

 

That is what I would've imagined Naruto's answer to be before 631. Not that I envisioned Minato himself asking the question, but just what I imagined it would be if the topic was ever brought up after Sakura's confession.

 

So as excited as I was with Naruto already claiming that Sakura's already something like a girlfriend it leaves me a little confused as to why he answered like that. NH/SS fans want to claim Naruto was joking in order to justify their views, but we can clearly see from Naruto's expression that he was dead serious when giving an answer. Not to mention how stupid it would be to lie to your dead father about things like that.

 

So now that it's established that Naruto had no intention of deception, why would he answer like that? The only answer I can come up with is that Naruto knows something about his relationship with Sakura that the audience is not aware of. And maybe that piece of info will be revealed sometime in the future, most probably when NS is ready to become canon.

[Superman333]

 

That is what I would've imagined Naruto's answer to be before 631. Not that I envisioned Minato himself asking the question, but just what I imagined it would be if the topic was ever brought up after Sakura's confession.

 

So as excited as I was with Naruto already claiming that Sakura's already something like a girlfriend it leaves me a little confused as to why he answered like that. NH/SS fans want to claim Naruto was joking in order to justify their views, but we can clearly see from Naruto's expression that he was dead serious when giving an answer. Not to mention how stupid it would be to lie to your dead father about things like that.

 

So now that it's established that Naruto had no intention of deception, why would he answer like that? The only answer I can come up with is that Naruto knows something about his relationship with Sakura that the audience is not aware of. And maybe that piece of info will be revealed sometime in the future, most probably when NS is ready to become canon.

what if that was Kishi's way of making it canon .? Maybe he felt like he didn't have to resolve Sakura-Chan's feelings for Sasuke etc.  just a question that came to my head ...

[redragon88]

what if that was Kishi's way of making it canon .? Maybe he felt like he didn't have to resolve Sakura-Chan's feelings for Sasuke etc.  just a question that came to my head ...

 

I don't think so. Sakura is the main character of the romance storyline, so it needs to end with the resolution of her feelings, not some quick mention of her being Naruto's sorta girlfriend.

[TouKen4Life3g]

First and not the last.

 

http://sparda3g.tumb...airings-excuses

[Superman333]

 

I don't think so. Sakura is the main character of the romance storyline, so it needs to end with the resolution of her feelings, not some quick mention of her being Naruto's sorta girlfriend.

alright , I know its not canon yet but it was a question that came to my head , 

[KnS]

 

That is what I would've imagined Naruto's answer to be before 631. Not that I envisioned Minato himself asking the question, but just what I imagined it would be if the topic was ever brought up after Sakura's confession.

 

So as excited as I was with Naruto already claiming that Sakura's already something like a girlfriend it leaves me a little confused as to why he answered like that. NH/SS fans want to claim Naruto was joking in order to justify their views, but we can clearly see from Naruto's expression that he was dead serious when giving an answer. Not to mention how stupid it would be to lie to your dead father about things like that.

 

So now that it's established that Naruto had no intention of deception, why would he answer like that? The only answer I can come up with is that Naruto knows something about his relationship with Sakura that the audience is not aware of. And maybe that piece of info will be revealed sometime in the future, most probably when NS is ready to become canon.

 

I took a shot at answering that question back in May.  I'm tired and out of time, so I'm going to cheat and repost it:

 

+ Sakura tromps out to the snowy Land of Iron and tells Naruto she loves him in front of Kakashi-sensei, Yamato-taicho, and several of their friends.

+ The look on Naruto's face clearly proves that those are the words he's been waiting to hear from her.

+ Nevertheless, Naruto begins to distrust and question Sakura.  He tells her that joking about something like her feelings for him isn't funny.

+ Naruto tells Sakura very seriously that he hates people who lie to themselves.

+ Sakura responds by getting angry.  She is indignant that Naruto dares to say she doesn't know her own mind or how she feels.  She tells him to quit trying to twist things around, and that if he doesn't like her / love her / want her / feel the same way then he should just say so.

+ Naruto does not deny his feelings for her.  He simply questions again why she would bring it all up at that moment.

+ Sakura leaves, and Sai goes on to give a better explanation of her actions.  He also confirms that Sakura's actions were for Naruto's sake.

The bottom line is, Sakura said she loved Naruto and when she essentially asked him to refuse her if he didn't feel the same way, he didn't.  

So even though both Naruto and Sakura (and the witnesses, for that matter) know it's not that simple, and that the issue of her feelings for Sasuke has not been 100% resolved, and Naruto was not satisfied that she chose him willingly and for the right reasons, that's how it was left -- that they were "more or less" boyfriend and girlfriend because neither denied it.

 

That's why Naruto answered his father the way he did.  He stumbled with the answer because it's basically true -- because of Sakura's confession and Naruto's desire + his lack of refusal -- but it's not clearly resolved.  Kishimoto used Minato to ask the question as a way of letting readers know where Naruto stands.  

 

 

I haven't come up with a better potential explanation in the ~6 months since.  

[Slextrem]

 

It's cool that Slextrem gets a mention in the comments.    

 

Awwww, that is way too sweet. I submitted a response, but then I realized that the posts were from a year ago... I regret leaving my Youtube account unattended for so long. /feels bad

[morgaine4]

I never got to see your videos Slextrem =(