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[TouKen4Life3g]

Like many said, it's about the story. That said Obito is still alive, so don't count out of it yet. That won't mean he will fight but now, he's going to see how Naruto can succeed by defeating Madara.

[narulsaku]

Like many said, it's about the story. That said Obito is still alive, so don't count out of it yet. That won't mean he will fight but now, he's going to see how Naruto can succeed by defeating Madara.

hum well said . but still who knows he may fight with naruto against madara as he is stronger than the aliance and also he has certainly no weakness like obito had.

[Miiami]

SS parallels Kaka/Rin, it's a negative parallel but it's a parallel anyway.

How is KakaRin negative? In my opinion they had pretty good relationship only that there was no love from Kakashi's side, he saw Rin as a comrade and friend.

[六道仙人]

How is KakaRin negative? In my opinion they had pretty good relationship only that there was no love from Kakashi's side, he saw Rin as a comrade and friend.

 

He killed her

[TouKen4Life3g]

How is KakaRin negative? In my opinion they had pretty good relationship only that there was no love from Kakashi's side, he saw Rin as a comrade and friend.

It's not negative but there's nothing more than friend, so it's normal and good.

[Miiami]

 

He killed her

So? It's not like he killed her because he wanted to, she made a suicide, he wanted to protect her.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So? It's not like he killed her because he wanted to, she made a suicide, he wanted to protect her.

He was joking.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

How is KakaRin negative? In my opinion they had pretty good relationship only that there was no love from Kakashi's side, he saw Rin as a comrade and friend.

Yeah Just like SasuSaku on part 1 remember?, Then later he was going to abandon her in other means what Kakashi and Sakura did to respectively Rin and Sakura was highly negative, Kakashi betrayed her and Sasuke tried to kill Sakura, in other means yes in my opinion romantically wise i think kishi pretty much stated that Kakashi should not be the guy that Rin should be in love.

The same thing he did with Sakura.

 

In terms of pairings which was my point, yes they were portraited as Negative.

 

He killed her 

 

:) Funny Obito was late, Naruto arrived on the nick of the time.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 November 2013 - 03:16 PM.

[Miiami]

Yeah Just like SasuSaku on part 1 remember?, Then later he was going to abandon her in other means what Kakashi and Sakura did to respectively Rin and Sakura was highly negative, Kakashi betrayed her and Sasuke tried to kill Sakura, in other means yes in my opinion romantically wise i think kishi pretty much stated that Kakashi should not be the guy that Rin should be in love.

The same thing he did with Sakura.

 

 

 

:) Funny Obito was late, Naruto arrived on the nick of the time.

He was going to, but he didn't, he still came. Obito's words had impact on him.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He was going to, but he didn't, he still came. Obito's words had impact on him.

The same i can say "Sasuke tried to kill Sakura but he didnt".

Obviously he didnt but he was if wasnt Obito and he made sure to tell this to her, to tell her that she should not be in love with him because he doesnt feel the same way about her, if he was going to abandon her should not her be in love with someome who cares about her and values her life? 

Obito redeemed Kakashi there, but what he did was the right thing, she needed to know about that.
It's the same thing with the great guy thing from that lover ninja when it comes for Sakura.

 

Instead of Sasuke telling Sakura that she should love someome else(which would suck because she needs to realize it by herself and she has nothing to talk with Sasuke about feelings or whatever), the difference is that she realizes it by herself.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 November 2013 - 03:24 PM.

[Miiami]

The same i can say "Sasuke tried to kill Sakura but he didnt".

Obviously he didnt but he was if wasnt Obito and he made sure to tell this to her, to tell her that she should not be in love with him because he doesnt feel the same way about her, if he was going to abandon her should not her be in love with someome who cares about her and values her life? 

Obito redeemed Kakashi there, but what he did was the right thing, she needed to know about that.
It's the same thing with the great guy thing from that lover ninja when it comes for Sakura.

 

Instead of Sasuke telling Sakura that she should love someome else(which would suck because she needs to realize it by herself and she has nothing to talk with Sasuke about feelings or whatever), the difference is that she realizes it by herself.

Sasuke would've killed her if she wasn't protected by Naruto and Kakashi, on the other hand Kakashi didn't try to directly kill her, he actually cared about her, only that he thought that he has to be true shinobi and not to abandon mission.

[Psychox]

Aside from this smile-collection, Sai pointed Naruto's feelings out when he noticed his smile, which Naruto only confirmed. Anti-NS argument is that we need thirdparties to survive, lol. But I really think thirdparties is Kishimoto's voice, if you look at the context and all. I also think they are meant to highlight moments, kind of to remind us that this is not something to bypass. The little stuff does count. :3 Naruto and Sakura have a special smile they give only to eachother. In fact, they're dazzling eachother all day and everyone but them even knows it! 

 

 

Wut? We depend on 3rd parties to survive ? How about the time when other people said that Kiba and Madara ship a certain pairing ,huh? T_T Now that's what i call'' good attitude and fairness ''. This is really ironical.

Kishimoto is every single character , but folks tend to ignore that ,like its nothing. Every NS moment is degraded to a joke because of either bad reading comprehension or individuals who hate Sakura .Is continous positive interaction too boring or we just have to take into consideration two people trying to pull the other ones guts out with a knife or the other one of the two  fainting when their prince is sighted  =  true love ? This seems unfair and mean .

Kishi really made quite the impact with that little sentence from Sakura's confession via Sai ''Because she loves him she went to kill him to save him from the dark path he (Sasuke) walks now'' So, acutally we believe 100% in that but the other part that supports NS is what ? Pushed in the nine circle of hell? I had a conversation with a Sakura hater (don't ask ) not too long ago when pointed out why that is phrase is true and the other NS stuff are false and Sai is an ''ill informed about it'' guy - my question was disregarded and left hanging . I mean seriously .... ?

[narulsaku]

@darkerst: its a thing i think u said as far as i remember. new generation overcomes previous ones. so just like that naruto was able to save sakura where obito failed.and as far as i am concerned kalasi didnt kill rin she ped in the way of kakashis attack. suiside as said above

but guys one thing i still didnt understand why the heck orochimaru and sasuke joined the aliance . what is their intension?

Edited by narulsaku, 17 November 2013 - 03:41 PM.

[Miiami]

@darkerst: its a thing i think u said as far as i remember. new generation overcomes previous ones. so just like that naruto was able to save sakura where obito failed.

but guys one thing i still didnt understand why the heck orochimaru and sasuke joined the aliance . what is their intension?

Orochimaru wants to see what Sasuke will do from now on. Sasuke probably needed Orochimaru's help to revive kages?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sasuke would've killed her if she wasn't protected by Naruto and Kakashi, on the other hand Kakashi didn't try to directly kill her, he actually cared about her, only that he thought that he has to be true shinobi and not to abandon mission.

Rin would be tortured to death or raped or killed i dont know, if Obito didnt redeemed Kakashi, Obito knew that he alone wont be able to save him but he wanted to go indeed, only Kakashi had to power to save her.

In fact Obito was willing to give up his life to save Rin and Kakashi was reluctantly to abandon the mission inst it negative?

 

Neither Rin was left behind or Sakura was killed but the effect of their decisions affected the relationship negatively, Kaka/Rin or Sasu/Saku can be friends or whatever, but they are already tagged as negative in terms of pairings and i believe Kishi purposely did that, Kaka/Rin is mirrored on Sasu/Saku perfectly.

Even the reason for those girls to fall in love with them were similar (coolness) and the reason why they should drop those feelings are the same.

Not that kakashi did Rin cry a lot of times but it didnt affected Sakura negatively but what affected was the murder attempt on the same way that it kakashi going to leave Rin behind affected kaka/Rin in terms of pairings.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 November 2013 - 03:53 PM.

[narulsaku]

Orochimaru wants to see what Sasuke will do from now on. Sasuke probably needed Orochimaru's help to revive kages?

are u sure? i mean why would sasuke jump in to the field suddenly out of nowhere and say i ll become a kage . 0.o and then orochimaru appears . they must be upto something

[Miiami]

Rin would be tortured to death or raped or killed i dont know, if Obito didnt redeemed Kakashi, Obito knew that he alone wont be able to save him but he wanted to go indeed, only Kakashi had to power to save her.

 

Neither Rin was left behind or Sakura was killed but the effect of their decisions affected the relationship negatively, Kaka/Rin or Sasu/Saku can be friends or whatever, but they are already tagged as negative in terms of pairings and i believe Kishi purposely did that, Kaka/Rin is mirrored on Sasu/Saku perfectly.

Even the reason for those girls to fall in love with them were similar (coolness) and the reason why they should drop those feelings are the same.

Not that kakashi did Rin cry a lot of times but it didnt affected Sakura negatively but what affected was the murder attempt on the same way that it kakashi going to leave Rin behind affected kaka/Rin in terms of pairings.

Kaka/Rin relationship never became negative, it would've became if Kakashi did left her and Obito. In the end we saw that Kakashi and Rin had a good relationship and Kakashi was very protective over her. Kakashi actually felt bad for trying to leave Rin and Obito behind, he called himself 'trash' for it. "I was the kind of trash that would've left you behind". And as a pairing, as I mentioned Kakashi saw Rin as comrade and friend, Sasuke saw Sakura as comrade and friend, although Sasuke's feelings in part 1 can be questioned. I don't know I just don't see Kaka/Rin negative way at all, things might've happened but they didn't so in the end Kakashi didn't do anything wrong but he could've done it, unlike Sasuke who directly did things, he actually stabbed Karin.

 

 

are u sure? i mean why would sasuke jump in to the field suddenly out of nowhere and say i ll become a kage . 0.o and then orochimaru appears . they must be upto something

 

Because he listened to what Hashirama said and decided that he wants to be Hokage, I don't remember very well it's something about changing Shinobi system. Read chapters where he meets Kages. And as I said Orochimaru wants to know what Sasuke will do from now on, he said so himself.

Edited by Miiami, 17 November 2013 - 04:00 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Kaka/Rin relationship never became negative, it would've became if Kakashi did left her and Obito. In the end we saw that Kakashi and Rin had a good relationship and Kakashi was very protective over her. Kakashi actually felt bad for trying to leave Rin and Obito behind, he called himself 'trash' for it. "I was the kind of trash that would've left you behind". And as a pairing, as I mentioned Kakashi saw Rin as comrade and friend, Sasuke saw Sakura as comrade and friend, although Sasuke's feelings in part 1 can be questioned. I don't know I just don't see Kaka/Rin negative way at all, things might've happened but they didn't so in the end Kakashi didn't do anything wrong but he could've done it, unlike Sasuke who directly did things, he actually stabbed Karin.

Rin did a medical kit with love and care and give it to Kakashi as a gift, it doenst matter if he killed her or not, he was going to leave her behind, in fact kakashi didnt returned on the same way.

How can those be different when the purpose is the same?

Obito was willing to give up his life, his dream to be kage(dying) to save Rin, Kakashi could not bring up to give up his mission for her life?

 

That's the point, it does affect negatively, the same way that Sasuke could not give up his revenge for Sakura.

But Naruto was capable of giving up his feelings, life, goals e caralhos aquaticos for Sakura.

One of the reasons why NS stands out as positive among most of the pairings is how Naruto and Sakura are willing to sacrifice(not just in terms of their lives, but feelings, goals and etc...) for each other.

You doesnt see this on Kaka/Rin and Sasu/Saku, it's simply, Kakashi didnt valued Rin on the same way she valued her, it's simple that's why great guy tells off this is why it's portraited as negative(PAIRING), it's about loving someome who doesnt give the same value to you, would you love a guy/girl that doesnt value you the same way you values her?

 

Yeah he does care about her but he kept saying "i promised to Obito i would protect you".

 

About SasuSaku, yes but the fact that affected SS more negatively(aside from the muder obviously) when Naruto says "Sasuke, Sakura is a member of the team 7 aswell".

 

In fact Sakura thought that she was special to Sasuke(Thank you scene anyone), and he was going send her to the grave, that's what hurt the more she realized there that he didnt valued her on the same way she valued him.

So in fact both KakaRin and SasuSaku were portraited as negative in terms of pairings but with SasuSaku obviously being much more negative.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 November 2013 - 04:13 PM.

[narulsaku]

 
 
 
Because he listened to what Hashirama said and decided that he wants to be Hokage, I don't remember very well it's something about changing Shinobi system. Read chapters where he meets Kages. And as I said Orochimaru wants to know what Sasuke will do from now on, he said so himself.

oh i ve read it but i dont think kishi would do it in that much simple thing. . if sasuke really comes back then this war would be the last war. there wont be a final battle between naruto and sasuke which may also affect ns

Edited by narulsaku, 17 November 2013 - 04:11 PM.

[Miiami]

Rin did a medical kit with love and care and give it to Kakashi as a gift, it doenst matter if he killed her or not, he was going to leave her behind, in fact kakashi didnt returned on the same way.

How can those be different when the purpose is the same?

Obito was willing to give up his life, his dream to be kage(dying) to save Rin, Kakashi could not bring up to give up his mission for her life?

 

That's the point, it does affect negatively, the same way that Sasuke could not give up his revenge for Sakura.

But Naruto was capable of giving up his feelings, life, goals e caralhos aquaticos for Sakura.

One of the reasons why NS stands out as positive among most of the pairings is how Naruto and Sakura are willing to sacrifice(not just in terms of their lives, but feelings, goals and etc...) for each other.

You doesnt see this on Kaka/Rin and Sasu/Saku, it's simply, Kakashi didnt valued Rin on the same way she valued her, it's simple that's why great guy tells off this is why it's portraited as negative, it's about loving someome who doesnt give the same value to you, would you love a guy/girl that doesnt value you the same way you values her?

Naruto never gave up his feelings, he always tried to invite her to dates and make her like him, but he doesn't force his feelings on her.

 

Now look at part 1 Sakura, in their first training what did Kakashi said to her? "You were only thinking of Sasuke", basically she didn't value Naruto at that time no? That is what development is for, you change. Kakashi was redeemed.

So because Sakura didn't value Naruto the same way he valued her, he shouldn't love her?  Anyway KakaRin is not negative IMO, as I mentioned many times it could've became negative but it didn't, if you think otherwise I can't change your mind, it's up to you. :)

 

 

 

oh i ve read it but i dont think kishi would do it in that much simple thing. . if sasuke really comes back then this war would be the last war. there wont be a final battle between naruto and sasuke which may also affect ns

 

Sasuke didn't change his mind on fighting with Naruto. He still wants to. I don't remember which chapter but Sasuke said something about saving Naruto only because he will be the one to fight him.

Edited by Miiami, 17 November 2013 - 04:16 PM.