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[Bail o' Lies]

The problem is that SP is desperately trying to cover up a core part of Boruto; Bolt's daddy issues with Naruto. The reason why is that it making the pairing they fought so hard for look terrible. But in doing so it makes the series inconsistent. Is Naruto an neglectful father that spends too much time at his job, and Bolt is lashing out against? Or is Naruto the perfect family man, and Bolt is just having a tempter tantrum because he isn't perfect enough? The movie which was the first thing shown to the audience says the former. But the anime constantly tries to sell the later.

[James S Cassidy]

The problem is that SP is desperately trying to cover up a core part of Boruto; Bolt's daddy issues with Naruto. The reason why is that it making the pairing they fought so hard for look terrible. But in doing so it makes the series inconsistent. Is Naruto an neglectful father that spends too much time at his job, and Bolt is lashing out against? Or is Naruto the perfect family man, and Bolt is just having a tempter tantrum because he isn't perfect enough? The movie which was the first thing shown to the audience says the former. But the anime constantly tries to sell the later.

Ding Ding Ding....another one gets a cookie. And again, it is cutting off your leg to not shoot yourself in the foot.
 

It is making Naruto and Hinata look like bad parents. Either Naruto is a neglectful father and Boruto is a good kid that just wants his dad...or Naruto and Hinata fail at showing Boruto the right way to do things, spoling him, and thus making them bad parents.

Either way, Naruto and Hinata are bad parents. Eactly what we keep saying. The more they try to change or cover it up...the more obvious it gets. This is why you don't create drama for the sake of creating drama when writing a story. Cause and effect. You just can't have something occur because "this sounds like a good problem to solve."

They even try to make it better by turning Hinata into Kushina....which also betrays the character that she is and against shows obvious lack of consistency.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 13 November 2017 - 07:29 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Ding Ding Ding....another one gets a cookie. And again, it is cutting off your leg to not shoot yourself in the foot.
 

It is making Naruto and Hinata look like bad parents. Either Naruto is a neglectful father and Boruto is a good kid that just wants his dad...or Naruto and Hinata fail at showing Boruto the right way to do things, spoling him, and thus making them bad parents.

Either way, Naruto and Hinata are bad parents. Eactly what we keep saying. The more they try to change or cover it up...the more obvious it gets. This is why you don't create drama for the sake of creating drama when writing a story. Cause and effect. You just can't have something occur because "this sounds like a good problem to solve."

They even try to make it better by turning Hinata into Kushina....which also betrays the character that she is and against shows obvious lack of consistency.

But that's the thing James I know you know everyone on the site knows that SP love Hinata, they want to make her out to be the perfect wife, that even if Naruto did something really bad, Hinata would turn a blind eye, just like a birthday he missed Hinata just makes it that Naruto is always in the right and even Bolt says this and calls Hinata out on it she will just say some BS.

 

Right now SP don't care at all they just care for doing more Hinata that's all that matters to them James it like this man.

 

SP love Hinata and we do all that they can do make her look better than she really is.

 

Kishi loves the Uchiha and Sasuke and wants us the readers to feel sorry for them.

 

Another problem is how they keep making it that all bad guys need a sob story, I am tired of the sob story, "Oh my life is such and such, I saw such and such die." I mean think about it if this was Gato and he said his father treated him like kitten, and its the reason why he is the way he is Naruto would just talk to him and boom all that Gato did would just be forgotten.

 

Its why I love the Walking Dead as I know Naruto post Pain would be kittened he would be dead by season 3 he would be dead, cause he is such a kittening dumb ass James, I mean god season 7 a guy tried to rape a women, and Negan killed knife in the neck, and that was one of his own men.

 

Hinata well she such a kitten and care just for Naruto she would leave everyone to die, its like with Sophia if you watched the show you know her fate, so lets put both Sakura and Hinata in that situation, and Naruto is back on the highway hurt, as they can't use their chakra, so I ask you this James.

 

Scenario 1 Hinata had been chassed by the two Walkers along with Sophia, what does she do stay with her or leave her to go back to Naruto.

 

Scenario 2 Sakura is with Sophia same as Hinata, does she stay with her or go back to help Naruto seeing he was hurt.

[James S Cassidy]

But that's the thing James I know you know everyone on the site knows that SP love Hinata, they want to make her out to be the perfect wife, that even if Naruto did something really bad, Hinata would turn a blind eye, just like a birthday he missed Hinata just makes it that Naruto is always in the right and even Bolt says this and calls Hinata out on it she will just say some BS.

 

Right now SP don't care at all they just care for doing more Hinata that's all that matters to them James it like this man.

And I know you know that the only people enjoying anything about the story right now are the pro-enders who are so HInata fanatics just like them that they purposely ignore it all for the sake of their own headcanon. Not even the pro-enders can accept the story for what it is, that is why they make up claims and assume things that the story obviously goes against.

Kishimoto isn't writing the story anymore and the fandom needs to stop "praising" such behavior from SP simply because "In Japan, respect is key so you have to thank them for 15 years of work." I hate when people tell me this one. "It is only polite to thank them." No, I don't. People shouldn't just be praised for bad work. That's not how it works. Might as well praise me for being lazy or praise me for doing lazy work.

I don't watch the Walking Dead, but I do watch Game of Thrones and they are even more cut throat in that series. Sob story or no, nothing is stopping a character from taking a blade to the neck.

The more they keep trying to change the story, the more obvious it is that they are just doing whatever to "fix" a problem that might show up. Especially when it comes to Hinata and the family like you said.
We mentioned that Naruto should just make clones to leave at his office so they can continue to do work....guess what just randomly happened in the story that didn't exist before?

 

Is Naruto an neglectful father that spends too much time at his job, and Bolt is lashing out against Or is Naruto the perfect family man, and Bolt is just having a tempter tantrum because he isn't perfect enough?

This is the question that they are trying to rectify, but they put themselves between a rock and a hard place. Since they can't just erase the Boruto movie from existence and since that movie is later in the timeline and SINCE they don't want anything to do with HInata looking bad (they don't care if Naruto looks bad, only HInata) they put themselves in a tight spot.

Naruto is a workaholic bad father; Boruto lashes out against Naruto for not being home; Hinata looks like a bad wife who won't talk to her husband about the family issues because they tried to make her a perfect wife. So what do you do? I know, let's make Naruto a good father who is home using another retcon, make Boruto seem more like a ungrateful brat, and that is how we make OH DEAR, now Hinata looks like a bad mother because she doesn't talk or dicipline Boruto at all and just keeps quiet the whole time. Why not just make her now get angry and produce an aura that is scary and  OH DEAR AGAIN, now we are putting a personality trait into Hinata that never existed before and now Hinata is no longer looking like the sweet and innocent girl that we like her as. Eventually they have to go back to the problems because how else would they exist in the Boruto movie in the first place.

What do we do?

SP then points and goes "Look over there" and we turn and then they make this whole Sasuke and Salad drama with Sasuke being a bad father and Sakura being a kitten to her "daughter," and completely takes away from the Naruto/Hinata fiasco. If they can't fix the problem, distract them from it...and since they don't care about Sakura at all...this is a good distraction.

Pro-enders use the same argument if you point out any flaws with Hinata: "Well, compared to Sakura, she is far better....Hinata doesn't do this like Sakura does so she is better...and blah blah blah."

Their hubris ends up becoming their downfall. When they keep using the same argument to wash away all of Hinata's sins, it becomes apparent that they don't know what they are doing or talking about anymore.

"Well Hinata is not as bad as Sakura..." which they think excuses all the problems with NH. It doesn't work anymore. You can't excuse your own sins because someone else did worse.

Imagine if you murdered someone in cold blood: "Well, at least I am not a pedophile..."

No matter what they do, their bad writing is apparent....all because they wanted to make one character look good and Kishimoto had different ideas. I wonder if Kishimoto did that on purpose. "Can't change what they have done, so I put them in an awkward position that they cannot just magically erase without showing their bias and obvious retconning. "

Something I would do if they screwed me over royally.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 November 2017 - 06:05 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I agree james I will never respect Kishi never man I would die before I do that he kittened up and now he wants us to just bow down and say his work is the best and we should love it no matter what he done.

[Yyubie]

The problem is that SP is desperately trying to cover up a core part of Boruto; Bolt's daddy issues with Naruto. The reason why is that it making the pairing they fought so hard for look terrible. But in doing so it makes the series inconsistent. Is Naruto an neglectful father that spends too much time at his job, and Bolt is lashing out against? Or is Naruto the perfect family man, and Bolt is just having a tempter tantrum because he isn't perfect enough? The movie which was the first thing shown to the audience says the former. But the anime constantly tries to sell the later.

This!!  . Everything that they did because they thought that was the best way to bring more money , in the end come back to bite them. People complain that Naruto is a bad father for neglecting his family , but now in the anime they make him become more care closer and closer to a perfect father , himaw sick he came home , taking bolt to ramen. But that makes bolt looks like a kitten ungrateful brat who can't appreciate that he was born in wealthy perfect family (he has money , status , respected , and a genius , what more does he want if SP makes naruto a perfect father??) , automatically making all the things he do (like painting hokage faces monument) become even more bad.

[Gravenimage]

Never get tire of saying this but I wish the series would just die already.

[LuckyChi7]

Saw the latest episode, and it wasn't necessarily bad, but no necessarily good either. It was very so-so to be honest. 

[VanitasDS76491]

Yes, but the anime/manga is being made AFTER the Bolt movie was made and several other things that were established long before. Yes, the anime takes place chronologically before the movie, but is in production after the movie was made. Which makes it even more obvious how much retconning they keep doing to save face.
This is the problem with time-skips and jumping ahead because if you establish a drama in a later story and then go back to "fill in the blanks" you have to make the story lead up to those moments and if you wanted to change it to make it seem like it is not so bad later on...then you are practically showing where you kittened up and what you are purposely trying to fix.
This was the problem with the Naruto the Last movie, this was the problem with all the light novels, and this was the problem with tons and tons more of the story with Boruto and Naruto story. They make it too easy to point out the retcons and the obvious BS especially when they try to rewrite the original Naruto manga. This is what is causing us to look at the original manga and say "When did this happen?!"
 
It is one of those "Too little, too late" kind of things.
This is what makes people bad writers. The more mistakes you make, the more likely people are going to see you as an incompetitant writer.
Just look at The Ressurection of F movie and the Dragonball Super anime which happen at different times and yet both are considered canon.

 
Agreed James but it still looks bad when you know where it leads with the bolt movie no matter how much you retcon and isn't the anime filler anyway? God naruto story is a bigger mess than the first dcu movies and that's sad when batman v superman and suicide squad has a better structure to its mess of a story.
 

But that's the thing James I know you know everyone on the site knows that SP love Hinata, they want to make her out to be the perfect wife, that even if Naruto did something really bad, Hinata would turn a blind eye, just like a birthday he missed Hinata just makes it that Naruto is always in the right and even Bolt says this and calls Hinata out on it she will just say some BS.
 
Right now SP don't care at all they just care for doing more Hinata that's all that matters to them James it like this man.
 
SP love Hinata and we do all that they can do make her look better than she really is.
 
Kishi loves the Uchiha and Sasuke and wants us the readers to feel sorry for them.
 
Another problem is how they keep making it that all bad guys need a sob story, I am tired of the sob story, "Oh my life is such and such, I saw such and such die." I mean think about it if this was Gato and he said his father treated him like kitten, and its the reason why he is the way he is Naruto would just talk to him and boom all that Gato did would just be forgotten.
 
Its why I love the Walking Dead as I know Naruto post Pain would be kittened he would be dead by season 3 he would be dead, cause he is such a kittening dumb ass James, I mean god season 7 a guy tried to rape a women, and Negan killed knife in the neck, and that was one of his own men.
 
Hinata well she such a kitten and care just for Naruto she would leave everyone to die, its like with Sophia if you watched the show you know her fate, so lets put both Sakura and Hinata in that situation, and Naruto is back on the highway hurt, as they can't use their chakra, so I ask you this James.
 
Scenario 1 Hinata had been chassed by the two Walkers along with Sophia, what does she do stay with her or leave her to go back to Naruto.
 
Scenario 2 Sakura is with Sophia same as Hinata, does she stay with her or go back to help Naruto seeing he was hurt.

Naruto isn't even a character anymore it's all about hinata and Sasuke. Good examples naruto would be dead in an apocalyptic event like walking dead and last of us.
  

And I know you know that the only people enjoying anything about the story right now are the pro-enders who are so HInata fanatics just like them that they purposely ignore it all for the sake of their own headcanon. Not even the pro-enders can accept the story for what it is, that is why they make up claims and assume things that the story obviously goes against.
Kishimoto isn't writing the story anymore and the fandom needs to stop "praising" such behavior from SP simply because "In Japan, respect is key so you have to thank them for 15 years of work." I hate when people tell me this one. "It is only polite to thank them." No, I don't. People shouldn't just be praised for bad work. That's not how it works. Might as well praise me for being lazy or praise me for doing lazy work.
I don't watch the Walking Dead, but I do watch Game of Thrones and they are even more cut throat in that series. Sob story or no, nothing is stopping a character from taking a blade to the neck.
The more they keep trying to change the story, the more obvious it is that they are just doing whatever to "fix" a problem that might show up. Especially when it comes to Hinata and the family like you said.
We mentioned that Naruto should just make clones to leave at his office so they can continue to do work....guess what just randomly happened in the story that didn't exist before?
 

This is the question that they are trying to rectify, but they put themselves between a rock and a hard place. Since they can't just erase the Boruto movie from existence and since that movie is later in the timeline and SINCE they don't want anything to do with HInata looking bad (they don't care if Naruto looks bad, only HInata) they put themselves in a tight spot.
Naruto is a workaholic bad father; Boruto lashes out against Naruto for not being home; Hinata looks like a bad wife who won't talk to her husband about the family issues because they tried to make her a perfect wife. So what do you do? I know, let's make Naruto a good father who is home using another retcon, make Boruto seem more like a ungrateful brat, and that is how we make OH DEAR, now Hinata looks like a bad mother because she doesn't talk or dicipline Boruto at all and just keeps quiet the whole time. Why not just make her now get angry and produce an aura that is scary and  OH DEAR AGAIN, now we are putting a personality trait into Hinata that never existed before and now Hinata is no longer looking like the sweet and innocent girl that we like her as. Eventually they have to go back to the problems because how else would they exist in the Boruto movie in the first place.
What do we do?
SP then points and goes "Look over there" and we turn and then they make this whole Sasuke and Salad drama with Sasuke being a bad father and Sakura being a kitten to her "daughter," and completely takes away from the Naruto/Hinata fiasco. If they can't fix the problem, distract them from it...and since they don't care about Sakura at all...this is a good distraction.
Pro-enders use the same argument if you point out any flaws with Hinata: "Well, compared to Sakura, she is far better....Hinata doesn't do this like Sakura does so she is better...and blah blah blah."
Their hubris ends up becoming their downfall. When they keep using the same argument to wash away all of Hinata's sins, it becomes apparent that they don't know what they are doing or talking about anymore.
"Well Hinata is not as bad as Sakura..." which they think excuses all the problems with NH. It doesn't work anymore. You can't excuse your own sins because someone else did worse.
Imagine if you murdered someone in cold blood: "Well, at least I am not a pedophile..."
No matter what they do, their bad writing is apparent....all because they wanted to make one character look good and Kishimoto had different ideas. I wonder if Kishimoto did that on purpose. "Can't change what they have done, so I put them in an awkward position that they cannot just magically erase without showing their bias and obvious retconning. "
Something I would do if they screwed me over royally.

 
Retconning is all they can do now and make the series at bleach is over and done and this kitten doesn't happen yet, nor fairy tail.agreed James agreed this series is kitten and that's sad it's so unrecognizable it's sad and makes you wish it was like marvel and dc comics were they can cancel a series and redo it.
 

I agree james I will never respect Kishi never man I would die before I do that he kittened up and now he wants us to just bow down and say his work is the best and we should love it no matter what he done.

  
Ahem to that even if the kitten says he screwed up and redoes the ending he's still on my kitten list. You that scene on nostalgia critic were he reviews Ghostbusters 2016 and has Homer Simpson show up to tell Kevin I think was Chris Hemsworth character and Homer says you sir have earned my pity that's how I see naruto in the hokage oval where his daughter one shoted him.

Never get tire of saying this but I wish the series would just die already.

I think everyone wishes that at this point. It's so bad final Fantasy 13 story looks good by comparison.

[James S Cassidy]

This!!  . Everything that they did because they thought that was the best way to bring more money , in the end come back to bite them. People complain that Naruto is a bad father for neglecting his family , but now in the anime they make him become more care closer and closer to a perfect father , himaw sick he came home , taking bolt to ramen. But that makes bolt looks like a kitten ungrateful brat who can't appreciate that he was born in wealthy perfect family (he has money , status , respected , and a genius , what more does he want if SP makes naruto a perfect father??) , automatically making all the things he do (like painting hokage faces monument) become even more bad.

It gets worse when you rethink the Boruto movie and in that Naruto actually is a bad father with him ignoring the family life, staying at his job all the time, and sending a clone to his daughter's birthday. In the Boruto movie, there actually is a reason why Boruto is pissed off and you can see it in the movie itself to occur.  So what are they gonna do? Make Naruto look like the perfect father up until the last minute and then make him a bad father again?

So from Gaiden to Boruto series to Boruto movie you have Naruto flux from bad father to perfect father to back to bad father with no reason why the change. "Because things go busier?" I hate this reasoning thatit is okay because "Naruto has to take care of a whole city." Well, presidents take care of a whole nation and you don't see their kids whinning about how bad their father is and making these claims that their father doesnt give them enough attention. Then again, Presidents don't hold the job for a lifetime. If Naruto can't hack it, maybe he should give it up.

I have seen stories of the "overworked father" trope and they never depict the child as being ungrateful and throwing a temper tantrum. More sad actually that their father couldn't be around more.

Look at this story in Fallout 4


You want to know what I really think? It has to do with the fact that Boruto HAS to be the mirror of Naruto as a child and this again goes with the "just copy everything from the original series." They have to make Boruto a brat in his series because Naruto was a brat in his. The difference being that Naruto at least had a reason to be a brat with no parents meanwhile Boruto can't have that luxury. He even said this himself in the Boruto movie: "My father had it so great because he didn't have a father." Basically, telling HInata that Naruto was lucky to have excuses to be just as bratty and that must have been a freedom for him.

They feel if Naruto was a brat than Boruto has to obviously be a brat too because "Like father like son." Doesn't matter if the story doesn't fit, if they retcon the entire things, or whether or not this is good writing.

It's like they have two rules set: 1 Boruto has to be a brat and 2. Hinata can't look bad.
So you either make Boruto look bad or you make Naruto look bad, but if Naruto looks bad it makes Hinata look bad, so you have to make Boruto look bad because...Hinata has to be perfect.





 

[TheFirstEvil100]

Saw the latest episode, and it wasn't necessarily bad, but no necessarily good either. It was very so-so to be honest. 

Damn that bad I take it.

[Yyubie]

[Qia]

 
 
In fairness, no, a child going through issues of her own was not there for Naruto at that time, but then neither was anyone else. The actual argument is that she was one of the first to acknowledge and see him true.
 
I never get the point of these posts. 

there's a huge difference between being the first to notice someone (especially when you don't actively do something to support that individual at the time) and always having been there for them....

Edited by Qia, 16 November 2017 - 10:04 PM.

[Phantom_999]

 

 

In fairness, no, a child going through issues of her own was not there for Naruto at that time, but then neither was anyone else. The actual argument is that she was one of the first to acknowledge and see him true.

 

I never get the point of these posts. 

 

Noticed. DIDN'T COMFORT OT INTERACT WITH. Third time. Case closed.

Edited by Phantom_999, 17 November 2017 - 11:33 AM.

[DrK]

Hinata noticing him but never saying anything is a cold comfort for Naruto. It's like if you see someone starving, they're begging for food. You notice their state and feel bad for them. You wish they were in a better state. You turn around and walk away.

 

Later, they buy a lottery ticket and win ten million dollars. You go up to the door of their new house and are like hey, I felt so bad for you back then. You should give me some money. Obviously, they slam the door in your face.

 

Sakura is like the one who actually helped him buy that ticket not getting rewarded because he had been suffering for a long time before she finally decided to help, while Hinata with her useless pity actually got a handout. Terrible life lessons 101.

[James S Cassidy]

Makes you wonder more...if that is the case then I guess Naruto deserved Sakura since he was there for her since the beginning and actually openly supported her even when she was fighting Ino.

It's always funny how this reason is the reason why HInata deserves Naruto, but when applied to Naruto for Sakura...it all of a sudden doesn't count.

Again, whose name is on the cover? Who's the main character? Why didn't Naruto get what he wanted? Why did Hinata and only Hinata deserve it all?

[Gravenimage]

Makes you wonder more...if that is the case then I guess Naruto deserved Sakura since he was there for her since the beginning and actually openly supported her even when she was fighting Ino.

It's always funny how this reason is the reason why HInata deserves Naruto, but when applied to Naruto for Sakura...it all of a sudden doesn't count.

Again, whose name is on the cover? Who's the main character? Why didn't Naruto get what he wanted? Why did Hinata and only Hinata deserve it all?

 

Hinata shippuden or Sasuke shippuden.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Hinata shippuden or Sasuke shippuden.

 

I guess so. I guess I was reading the wrong story after all. I didn't realize that the real series name was "Hinata" and it was a shoujo the whole time.

Maybe Naruto wasn't about Naruto the ninja, but Naruto the noodle he was eating. GENIUS!!!

Pro-NarutoNoodles fan here. NaruNood for the win.

Naruto gets on his phone: "Send Noods"

*Bowl of noodles picture gets sent.*

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 November 2017 - 08:45 PM.

[Phantom_999]

No the the anime should have been called "Sasuke Shippuden", and "The Last" should have been called "Hinata's love story retcon fan fiction"

Edited by Phantom_999, 18 November 2017 - 12:54 AM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

No the the anime should have been called "Sasuke Shippuden", and "The Last" should have been called "Hinata's love story retcon fan fiction"

Why retcon in the name? Last has as much credibility as any other fanfiction, 

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 19 November 2017 - 03:11 PM.