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[Kagomaru]

 

Oh I've known that  for almost as long as the anime was running lol. I know it is not the "Naruto division" that animated Black Clover. My beef with them though is for 3 reasons.

 

1. prominently is how they spread their filler episodes. Not two episodes in and they were already stretching out the content of the beginning more than necessary. It took them four episodes to get to the Magic knight examination which was chapter 2, another two filler episodes right after the first story arc which was the first fight etc. etc.. It would not be too much of a problem if Crunchyroll was not over selling it as the "next king of Shonen anime" and viewers getting bored of it after the first 3 episodes. Also is the fact that Black Clover had an overly cliché beginning and even fans of the manga were wondering if it was even anything unique or even worth investing in at first. Obviously this lost traction for the beginning and it frustrates me to this day because I LOVE this series, and was very hurt at how others bashed it to the ground and tossed it aside at the beginning, both the manga and anime alike. 

 

2. like other anime that fall into their laps they seem to have a "boob fetish" in that they overuse a "largely stacked" female character and milk her for all she's worth and throwing in moments with the MC that didn't exist in filler episodes just for the hell of it because they LOOOOVE such a character. This is a has happened enough that I can't call it coincidence. Besides the obvious Hinata (part II/Shippuden anyway,) they've done it to Mimosa as you've noticed, Orihime (though that obviously has merit in comparison) and even Mayura from Twin Star Exorcist. If there are other series that that involve this particular scenario I wouldn't be surprised. 

 

3. though I am actually not too bothered by this one since it is not only SP that does it, they also tend make tsunderes worse to varying degrees. I've no appreciation to how that cranked up Noelle's tsundere tendencies and jealousy to the point she'd smack Asta and even throw things at him for only being "slightly irritated". I think that also made the canon love interest from Twin Star Exorcist, Benio more of a tsundere than she actually was too (but correct me if I'm wrong I stopped watching the anime pretty early). I recall that they did it to Rukia as well. Not to mention it was Sakura that got the worst of it to the point that western watchers call her a  *beep* for it. Obviously it is for humor but then again the last case is what ruined an entire franchise, now isn't it? 

 

Point being, it may not have been the "Hinata pedo-clown wankers" animating Black Clover but I still have somewhat of a problem with how they portrayed it regardless. Just call it PTSD if you will.  Even though It is all but guaranteed Tabata will not make the same mistake. 

 

That said I do at least like that they have Asta giving Noelle more "bridal carries" in the filler episodes at least   

To be fair about Sakura, those *fans* already considered Sakura a *beep* for initially rejecting Naruto's affection and chasing after a douchebag that didn't care about her. Pierrot amplifying her tsundere tendencies just reinforced and solidified that perception for them.  As you pointed out, Rukia, Mayura and Noelle received the same treatment and fans adore love those characters.

 

And I agree with your points on how they handled Black Clover's anime adaptation. While the team seemed to respect Tabata's direction (as it was said that Tabata actually did give certain instructions to them on how to handle the filler timeskip episodes) for the most part, they did make questionable decisions. For instance, when the director accidentally had Leo and Noelle learn Heart's Mana Method, which breaks continuity a bit since neither of them learned it yet(Tabata was reportedly upset about this and the director apologized for it). Or conflating Noelle's tsundere attitude or giving more "fanservice" with Mimosa and Vanessa.   While I'm sure the former was just for humor and not out of malicious bias (such as what happened to Sakura) and the latter was to titillate the male audience, it can be pretty aggravating and unnecessary. Especially, as you said, since some of us are still suffering from PTSD after Naruto.

[Phantom_999]

Oh yes definitely. On Twin Star Exorcist, the actual Love interest, is Benio. Mayura is the "sweet, gentle childhood friend" and her big chest is also used as a constant joke. Not to mention the story made it perfectly clear Mayura had no chance from the start but SP did a date filler for her and The MC for instance, at the beginning of the anime. Not sure how well loved Benio is, I never looked into it but I'm have some certainty in my mind SP may have over exaggerated her tsundere attitude too. Great manga BTW, but I don't know if you follow it.

 

Well ultimately I don't  necessarily agree with what SP does with their anime series over all. Bleach, in particular had many unnecessary filler episodes I think and even when the manga had more than enough content for them to animate. Not certain if this is what contributed to it being halted back then. That said I think that the animation for Black clover was quite consistent and had some top notch quality in recent tomes so while I have problem with SP handling it anime I'm hesitant that another may not make the animation look the same. It has happened before, One Punch man Being a prime example. It could happen with Black clover unless you KNOW the studio is will make top quality animation like the aforementioned Studios I listed.

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 April 2021 - 07:41 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Uh-Huh

Suspicions coinfirmed. Dante is a weak @$$ B^&*! of a villain that is a laughable threat compared to his siblings and even the elves.On the Other hand , WAY TO GO MAGNA!!! It's your time to shine!!!!    

Edited by Phantom_999, 07 June 2021 - 11:11 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Uh-Huh

Suspicions coinfirmed. Dante is a weak @$$ B^&*! of a villain that is a laughable threat compared to his siblings and even the elves.On the Other hand , WAY TO GO MAGNA!!! It's your tome to shine!!!!    

Yeah, I had hype going too there

[Phantom_999]

I'm really loving how Noelle's character is progressing espeially after these last few chapters   lol

 

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Spoilers

I fall for her Valkyrie dress/armor and its variants every single time

Edited by Phantom_999, 28 June 2021 - 01:08 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I'm really loving how Noelle's character is progressing espeially after these last few chapters   lol
 
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Spoilers

I fall for her Valkyrie dress/armor and its variants every single time

I'm enjoying Noelle's growth too

Edited by Bryon_Konoha_Ninja, 28 June 2021 - 01:42 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Chapter 299

Well, Potential R.I.P. for Gadjah. If so, i hope his feelings reach Loropechka before he dies. In other news I'm happy Noelle is such a threat to Megicula that the Saint Valkyrie armor had to run out of time to preserve drama but that has always been a handicap.    I hope Asta joins in and they fight as a "couple" lol even though they're not an item yet lol  

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 July 2021 - 10:18 PM.

[Kagomaru]

Chapter 300:

Asta comes through in the nick of time to save his wife. And Noelle's speech in this chapter was awesome and demonstrates just how much she's matured as a person and this series' heroine.

Edited by Kagomaru, 16 July 2021 - 05:12 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Chapter 300:

Asta comes through in the nick of time to save his wife. And Noelle's speech in this chapter was awesome and demonstrates just how much she's matured as a person and this series' heroine.

It also reminds us too how positive of a force Asta can be to his friends too

[Phantom_999]

hopes

I would like it if Noelle gives Asta a big hug after, then slaps him in embarrassment . I'd like a romantic moment but not to the point of breaking character lol.

 

On another topic that makes me ecstatic is that I read that in an older interview that apparently Tabata duly notes that his fans like it when he incorporates romantic moments in chapters lol Not sure if he will make it a reoccurring formula but hey that is a huge step up form that disappointing kitten storm Naruto has become.I think it was 2018 or 2019 and am not good at telling if it is a reliable source so I won't try to get everyone's hopes too up lol  

Edited by Phantom_999, 20 July 2021 - 11:28 AM.

[Kagomaru]

hopes

I would like it if Noelle gives Asta a big hug after, then slaps him in embarrassment . I'd like a romantic moment but not to the point of breaking character lol.

 

On another topic that makes me ecstatic is that I read that in an older interview that apparently Tabata duly notes that his fans like it when he incorporates romantic moments in chapters lol Not sure if he will make it a reoccurring formula but hey that is a huge step up form that disappointing kitten storm Naruto has become.I think it was 2018 or 2019 and am not good at telling if it is a reliable source so I won't try to get everyone's hopes too up lol  

I think Chapter 301 is gonna make you quite happy then.  No hug, but we get something that's quite significant and indicates that we will see some serious Asta x Noelle development in the near future.

[Phantom_999]

this is one of the times where I really say WHY DID THE ANIME HAVE TO END!? I want to see this animated so bad  YES I AM HAPPY WITH CHAPTER 301!!!    

Edited by Phantom_999, 22 August 2021 - 09:17 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Well I read the latest chapter, 303 and... I will say this much

 

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I will accept the development and back story of Nozel, as it is typical Black Clover fare. But I DON'T believe it excuses the verbal abuse he put Noelle though nor the fact that he was not a proper brother to her despite BEING there when their mother died. Believing he is a coward that can not protect what is important to him doesn't excuse the fact that he called his own youngest sister a failure and questioned why their mother gave birth to her nor was there when her life was in danger when the evidence showed he should have cherished her most of all and raised her in place of their mother that was killed protecting them. These are my personal  thoughts of course, and obviously it is an attempt to make Nozel more sympathetic but it will never excuse his actions if you ask me unless he does better from now on. Apologizing to Noelle does help a bit, but it will never erase the fact he was a terrible brother, and the fact that both he  and Noelle were whom Acier was protecting before she died, only makes it more inexcusable that he was verbally and emotionally abusive to Noelle and threw her away for someone else to raise and nurture when he should have done it himself, especially with this information.

Edited by Phantom_999, 22 August 2021 - 09:15 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Well the one step forward, three steps back was expected but it is just painful to watch at this point :( why couldn’t she hug him first before the typical tsundere routine?

[Liu bie]

Well the one step forward, three steps back was expected but it is just painful to watch at this point :( why couldn’t she hug him first before the typical tsundere routine?

A Ytuber notice that too bud XD.

[Kagomaru]

Well the one step forward, three steps back was expected but it is just painful to watch at this point :( why couldn’t she hug him first before the typical tsundere routine?

I attribute it to the fact that she *just* fully realized that she's in love with him and considering there in the middle of an active war zone at the moment, she probably hasn't had the time to process it all yet or know how to react to him. Not to mention that she and her brother just defeated their mother's murderer, so her emotions are high right now.  Once the war's over and she's had time to cool down, I imagine we'll see a proper interaction between her and Asta.

Edited by Kagomaru, 01 September 2021 - 01:35 AM.

[Kagomaru]

Nothing Chapter-related since the author is taking a break, but Noelle just recently came in at first place in the newest popularity poll for Black Clover.

[Phantom_999]

All hail the queen!!!    it's official Asta and Noelle are side by side in a popularity poll with no one between them, they MUST GET MARRIED NOW!! Lol

Edited by Phantom_999, 16 September 2021 - 03:38 PM.

[Kagomaru]

So...

I was not expecting Zenon to be the only decent and sane member of his entire family.  Or the fact that he was friends and rivals with who appears to be Asta's father.

Edited by Kagomaru, 16 September 2021 - 02:34 PM.

[Phantom_999]

seriously? Got to check it out later!