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#1101 dejavu

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 09:55 PM



We could only know the result of all this shizz AFTER SASUKE IS REDEEMED OR WHATEVER IS THE RESOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM CALLED UCHIHA SASUKE.

Atleast if Naruto remembers and acknowledge his promise until now then im going to assume he remembers that he can already confess to Sakura too.

As for Sakura getting a "stab" ala Rin even if its just genjutsu then i can assume its like how obirin but not entirely.

Im not going to hate Sakura at all nor kishi. He justbhave this nasty habit of making his characters so unbelievably stubborn. Sakura aling with naruto and kakashi will forever be stuck on caring for sasuke the little list brat of the group.

Lastly, this is the wishful thinking part on my part but hopefully that genjutsu will make Sakura realize something. Or the aftermath of the fight.

I did say lastly back there but allow me to throw this out:
Sasuke saying he doesnt like or is not interested i sakura anyway doesnt really kill ss off. Lets be reminded that we have naruto proving to him that he cares for them. Well tdchnically it isnt ss but im sure sasuke will.realized that sakura along with nardo and kakashi is special to him. And no i didnt convert back to being an ssfan. Im still a 101percent ns fan all the way

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 09:55 PM

I believe that was the intention......no go he can make Sakrua sympathetic for us just, regressing her into her Part 1 form is just....pathetic. 


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 09:56 PM

This is far worse than 685 because 685 didn't mean anything

 

Here (assuming MS somehow got it right this one time) contradicts everything Sakura was building for and makes NS come across as a joke and as a pairing that's established to be endgame that's pretty stupid. Hell I would be fine if SS actually came out on top here but they don't this chapter literally appeals to nobody but Sakura haters....no even they were dissapointed to find that she didn't die it was a genjutsu so this literally appeals to nobody its more like LOI and 540 than 685. 

 

And I can assure you that this whole ordeal is just another event that will blow over and next time something happens that fans like us like, we will just ignore this past fuss and proceed with the stuff we enjoy, I mean people made issue with black zetsu, they got answers from why he betrayed madara, and well people still complained.

 

The story is not done, this event just began, if its one thing, it will take more chapters to fully see how sakura reacts from this result.

 

I don't see Sakura as a silver medal, there is still a lot to be done and concerning her role after this event, while its not astronomical, its still going to get is aftermath from this event and her reaction to it when the genjutsu on her wears off.

 

Even if this has gotten a lot of confusion, tell me, how the hell did this impact NS? It certainly didn't bring any elements or alter or void them. Its like again, people react and forget this stuff? Personally, I never would have expected the death of SS chapter to be one where fans would make a fuss over it.

 

All this fuss is almost the exact same thing from when we didn't get a NS moment back around 672 where naruto woke up and didnt focus on Sakura, though she was crying tears of joy over him, Even then, isn't it worth mentioning that the promise came in and this shows naruto still loves sakura?

 

And likewise, how about this:

 

How does this impact naruto and sakura's relationship when this entire chapter had nothing focused on it? This chapter was nothing but antagonism on Sakura from Sasuke, it was like tearing her love apart and showing it in such a negative way because of what Sasuke did, that even as far as he sunk she had hope in him and he personally shat on her views to silence her. Aka SS died this chapter and for one reason or another, this chapter proved why SS just isnt acceptable, believeable, or reasonable for the story.

 

Naruto and Sakuras relationship cannot exactly be impacted if its not focused upon in this situation, is this because sakura reacted to sasuke or because naruto didn't do anything? Its not like this is the end of everything either, one doesn't need to act in every situation for every situation. In fact this was the start of this anti-ss event so surely there will be a follow up for Sakura on this stuff and yes, some impact or after effect will come her way.

 

But again, I just say people are overreacting, nothing has harmed NS, NS is fine. SS is for all purposes dead and unable to work.

 

But we have seen kishi be crazy with his writing, its been done before and its certainly not the end and this doesn't just void NS or her development with naruto, if that was untouched then it wasn't touched. NS is still fine and still prone to be canon.

 

Besides can anyone mean to tell me that we wouldnt be suspecting some event for sakura to realize or come to love naruto? We always knew some event or occurance would have to come to make her move towards Naruto. And besides, as said before, this event did not do anything with naruto or sakuras relationship, that stuff is still isolated and in effect. Sakuras always had this duality of impacts and changing in regards to naruto and sasuke and today it was focused on sasuke and all the negativity it brought, so what about naruto? This is still unanswered and remains in effect to see what it brings later on.

 

And I repeat, its not just raws and translations to go by, we need to see what the events themselves do and how they play out. What says one thing and what is said by another can differ in context and when you have differing contexts, well then you need to see the results of those following what we saw at present.

 

But I have said enough, people have their views but I am still fine with how things went, I just saw drama on sakura today and its not the end or some regression on her, we had signs for her struggling now didn't we? This is the climax of that and may lead to some after result of some change in this line for her.

 

NS is still fine, its still there, nothing bad happened to it at all. Sakura's development will differ to other people but honestly, there was bound to be a conflict and this was just one part of it. I dont see this as regression and I dont see her as a silver medal, she will have more focus later on and potentially just on the side with kakashi right now. But by no means is this over, its just the start of something else to come.

 

Sakuras development isnt done and nor is how she feels about naruto, this stuff is in effect and seriously, next time something we want occurs, well everyone will suddenly be better.

 

If anything I am getting tired of all the ugh here and there for all events, there is no pleasing this fandom.

 

Seriously I am just happy SS is sunk and NS is fine and that there is a lot of potential for things to go our way in the future.



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 09:57 PM

It still affected NS in a negative way in more ways then one and contradict some scenes like 675 540 and the confession. But still about that transcript  how reliable it is in the first place , I mean the raw is still not out yet so how do they have that script ? Can it be its a transcript that is translated from Chinese or English to Japanese ? 

 

But here's the issue that some one pointed out earlier, and that I 100% agree with:

 

Dissecting translations because they do not agree with a pairing you favor is silly.  I in fact got in a debate over that in the Narutoforums when someone who supported SasuSaku refused to acknowledge Sasuke was being rude to Sakura.  They literally had the translation of one scene gutted to try and make it appear Sasuke was not being rude.

 

Doing the same with this chapter will not bring much on but more denial.  It's clear cut Sakura loves Sasuke. Let's be honest with ourselves here. Sakura has not grown up much since all this time, and perhaps this will finally be the deciding factor.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 09:59 PM

 

But here's the issue that some one pointed out earlier, and that I 100% agree with:

 

Dissecting translations because they do not agree with a pairing you favor is silly.  I in fact got in a debate over that in the Narutoforums when someone who supported SasuSaku refused to acknowledge Sasuke was being rude to Sakura.  They literally had the translation of one scene gutted to try and make it appear Sasuke was not being rude.

 

Doing the same with this chapter will not bring much on but more denial.  It's clear cut Sakura loves Sasuke. Let's be honest with ourselves here. Sakura has not grown up much since all this time, and perhaps this will finally be the deciding factor.

So basically her entire evolution throughout this series is nothing but kitten because kishi felt like making her a lovesick puppyd dog until the very very end

 

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:02 PM

 

And I can assure you that this whole ordeal is just another event that will blow over and next time something happens that fans like us like, we will just ignore this past fuss and proceed with the stuff we enjoy, I mean people made issue with black zetsu, they got answers from why he betrayed madara, and well people still complained.

 

The story is not done, this event just began, if its one thing, it will take more chapters to fully see how sakura reacts from this result.

 

I don't see Sakura as a silver medal, there is still a lot to be done and concerning her role after this event, while its not astronomical, its still going to get is aftermath from this event and her reaction to it when the genjutsu on her wears off.

 

Even if this has gotten a lot of confusion, tell me, how the hell did this impact NS? It certainly didn't bring any elements or alter or void them. Its like again, people react and forget this stuff? Personally, I never would have expected the death of SS chapter to be one where fans would make a fuss over it.

 

All this fuss is almost the exact same thing from when we didn't get a NS moment back around 672 where naruto woke up and didnt focus on Sakura, though she was crying tears of joy over him, Even then, isn't it worth mentioning that the promise came in and this shows naruto still loves sakura?

 

And likewise, how about this:

 

How does this impact naruto and sakura's relationship when this entire chapter had nothing focused on it? This chapter was nothing but antagonism on Sakura from Sasuke, it was like tearing her love apart and showing it in such a negative way because of what Sasuke did, that even as far as he sunk she had hope in him and he personally shat on her views to silence her. Aka SS died this chapter and for one reason or another, this chapter proved why SS just isnt acceptable, believeable, or reasonable for the story.

 

Naruto and Sakuras relationship cannot exactly be impacted if its not focused upon in this situation, is this because sakura reacted to sasuke or because naruto didn't do anything? Its not like this is the end of everything either, one doesn't need to act in every situation for every situation. In fact this was the start of this anti-ss event so surely there will be a follow up for Sakura on this stuff and yes, some impact or after effect will come her way.

 

But again, I just say people are overreacting, nothing has harmed NS, NS is fine. SS is for all purposes dead and unable to work.

 

But we have seen kishi be crazy with his writing, its been done before and its certainly not the end and this doesn't just void NS or her development with naruto, if that was untouched then it wasn't touched. NS is still fine and still prone to be canon.

 

Besides can anyone mean to tell me that we wouldnt be suspecting some event for sakura to realize or come to love naruto? We always knew some event or occurance would have to come to make her move towards Naruto. And besides, as said before, this event did not do anything with naruto or sakuras relationship, that stuff is still isolated and in effect. Sakuras always had this duality of impacts and changing in regards to naruto and sasuke and today it was focused on sasuke and all the negativity it brought, so what about naruto? This is still unanswered and remains in effect to see what it brings later on.

 

And I repeat, its not just raws and translations to go by, we need to see what the events themselves do and how they play out. What says one thing and what is said by another can differ in context and when you have differing contexts, well then you need to see the results of those following what we saw at present.

 

But I have said enough, people have their views but I am still fine with how things went, I just saw drama on sakura today and its not the end or some regression on her, we had signs for her struggling now didn't we? This is the climax of that and may lead to some after result of some change in this line for her.

 

NS is still fine, its still there, nothing bad happened to it at all. Sakura's development will differ to other people but honestly, there was bound to be a conflict and this was just one part of it. I dont see this as regression and I dont see her as a silver medal, she will have more focus later on and potentially just on the side with kakashi right now. But by no means is this over, its just the start of something else to come.

 

Sakuras development isnt done and nor is how she feels about naruto, this stuff is in effect and seriously, next time something we want occurs, well everyone will suddenly be better.

 

If anything I am getting tired of all the ugh here and there for all events, there is no pleasing this fandom.

 

Seriously I am just happy SS is sunk and NS is fine and that there is a lot of potential for things to go our way in the future.

That's the problem SS isn't sunk....it was sunk in 675 but Kishi just brought it back to put Sakura through more misery.

 

It affects NS again because it makes Naruto look like a rebound she isn't choosing Naruto because he's the one, she's choosing him because Sasuke is an unattainable golden chalice


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:05 PM

 

But here's the issue that some one pointed out earlier, and that I 100% agree with:

 

Dissecting translations because they do not agree with a pairing you favor is silly.  I in fact got in a debate over that in the Narutoforums when someone who supported SasuSaku refused to acknowledge Sasuke was being rude to Sakura.  They literally had the translation of one scene gutted to try and make it appear Sasuke was not being rude.

 

Doing the same with this chapter will not bring much on but more denial.  It's clear cut Sakura loves Sasuke. Let's be honest with ourselves here. Sakura has not grown up much since all this time, and perhaps this will finally be the deciding factor.

I still want to grasp what was truly said what the author really trying to convey that is why trans matters bc there are so many errors and meaning in translation lost that it deviates from its original purpose  . It matters bc of this and if the RAW confirm MS then so be it I'm not gonna lie to myself never has and never will .


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:05 PM

Then he just needs to make her realize that Naruto is the sun-carrying PLATINUM chalice.



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:06 PM

If it is indeed present tense, then Viz was actually right. Which means SS wasn't sunk in 675. Not that it really matters, as NaruSaku will be canon, but I have a feeling it won't happen until the movie. (Remember the poster line for Naruto? That sounded confession-esque? Yeah) I don't think Sakura will get over Sasuke until he's redeemed. And well...I like that better. It would show Naruto wasn't a second place choice, ya know?



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:10 PM

that was rikudou i believe and i'm not sure if it was tumblr
 
it probably was on teh comments section of the link he translated.


It was just recently posted on tumblr. Anyway, not sure how I'll feel if it's present tense. If it is, I'm almost thinking that if Sasuke is brought back, he and Sasuke will get together or something... If that happened, I would be pretty dissapointed because you'd expect that Naruto, the hero, would have at least been able to win her over, but... I know Sakura isn't the same fan girl she used to be, but I just have this awful feeling that she will also help bring him out of the darkness by supporting him as a wife... Gosh, that'd be awful lol

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:12 PM

So, I wasn't a fan of the chapter either, it had a lot of problems. I guess what made me most upset was Sakura going down without getting one good punch in on Sasuke's face. Seriously, at this point I don't think she will have any more cool things to do in the series.

 

As for the pairing side, though, I think NS fans need to take it down a notch. As poor as this whole romantic side of the manga has been, I still think that NaruSaku is the end game. It just isn't being handled well. This whole war arc, from the start of Naruto's training with the flashbacks of his parents all the way to now has left very little time for well drawn out conversations about feelings and relationships which is probably why it feels so lacking. Everyone is scrounging around for moments because there simply haven't been all that many. 

 

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:13 PM

It was just recently posted on tumblr. Anyway, not sure how I'll feel if it's present tense. If it is, I'm almost thinking that if Sasuke is brought back, he and Sasuke will get together or something... If that happened, I would be pretty dissapointed because you'd expect that Naruto, the hero, would have at least been able to win her over, but... I know Sakura isn't the same fan girl she used to be, but I just have this awful feeling that she will also help bring him out of the darkness by supporting him as a wife... Gosh, that'd be awful lol

 

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:13 PM

One thing is certain, whatever this event even happened must lead to something, good or bad. Remember, good or bad.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:18 PM

i won't make fake spoilers or predictions anymore...I just bring bad luck....


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:19 PM

Anyway, it should make sense for Sakura to get out of the genjutsu, unless she's too exhausted... And don't worry, I'm pretty sure NauSaku is going to be canon, just not sure how Kishi will get himself out of this trap.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:19 PM

 

i won't make fake spoilers or predictions anymore...I just bring bad luck....

 

 

No point in giving up now. You might as well keep at it for the little time this manga has left.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:22 PM

i won't make fake spoilers or predictions anymore...I just bring bad luck....

 

But really... I don't get it. Is Kishi becoming insane ? Why the hell would he say to us that Sakura changed her feelings and then tell us she still loves him. It makes no sense at all....

 

I still believe the manga will end on NaruSaku, this chapter doesn't change anything, Mangastream version or not, because to me there is too much evidence of NaruSaku.

 

But I just don't understand this precise point with Sakura's feelings. Kakashi said her feelings changed. Why Kishi would have done that ?? The only explanation I can think of is maybe it was needed to make Sasuke say bluntly he doesn't love her at all.
But really, it's Sasuke we are talking about. He's ready to kill Naruto, but in reality we all know his bond with Naruto is a strong one. If he wants to, Kishi can make Sasuke love Sakura magically and say that he was hiding it because he was suffering. It's a possibility. We all know that it's not really true that he doesn't care about her or Naruto. IMO it's not romantic feelings for Sakura, just a deep friendship bond, but let's be honest here Kishimoto will bring up Sasuke's feelings for them one day. And he will admit he likes them. So it could be possible that he will admit that he loves Sakura. It's kind of crazy, but it's a path Kishi could take.

 

But I swear I don't see him take this path at all in the future... to me the path he's following is NaruSaku. He has shown Sakura changing her feelings. So why would she say know that she still loves him in present tense... it's so weird....


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:25 PM

i won't make fake spoilers or predictions anymore...I just bring bad luck....

So you're like me, only you bring karma while mine never happens. I smell new plot based on us!!!

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:25 PM

Anyway, it should make sense for Sakura to get out of the genjutsu, unless she's too exhausted... And don't worry, I'm pretty sure NauSaku is going to be canon, just not sure how Kishi will get himself out of this trap.

She's not in a genjutsu she's unconscious and she will remain that way until the time comes necessary for the OVA moment which by the way lost all of its bedazzle


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 10:26 PM

She's not in a genjutsu she's unconscious and she will remain that way until the time comes necessary for the OVA moment which by the way lost all of its bedazzle

wow I never thought she was unconscious.


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