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#1101 六道仙人

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:23 AM

It has nothing to do with pairing, you say yourself that you don't know very well japanese, while it's ramenanmistu's mother language and I'm a student in japanese, why are you so sure you know japanese better than us? If we tell you in THAT context, 想い means "thoughts", "consideration" why cant you believe us? It's irritating, really, I saw this kind of context with this word several times in my class lessons, and everytime it was "thougts". 

 

Because they interpretated it. In the end the only difference is the 同じ好き and it was proven for not meaning it's the same kind of love (pure romantic love). And because in their translation they translated "same/similar/ still love" into "same kind of love", so of course everyone believed Kakashi said Sakura said Sakura loved Sasuke in the same way. 

 

weren't they arguing about the 別のもの? lol


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:23 AM

Thanks for the translations guys, I really appreciate your work!


 
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:23 AM

Hey, let's not get into argument. Let's stay cool, ok?

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:25 AM

I've noticed that Azure appears often when there's a NH/SS or ANS chapter... But it must be just a coincidence. :ermm: :mellow: just joking anyway lol


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:25 AM

LOVED THIS CHAPTER! <3  Kishimoto really makes everything come full-circle, always back to Team 7.  Hard to find a manga-ka like that. :love:



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:25 AM

 

Listen, just because you don't like my analysis of the raw doesn't mean you can be this rude. I just said you can take the others into more consideration. Please do so and stop being disrespectful.

I'm sorry if you felt attacked by my post, but it was really irritating for me. But you have the right to believe what you want. So, please accept my apologize for my rudeness if you felt bad about it and let's not talk about it anymore okay?


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:27 AM

While I'm not fluent I believe I have a solid understanding of what was stated in the raw. But, I know my explaination appears to back the SS trans and that it wouldn't be very popular. lol trust me when I say that I *do want to believe the opposing interpretations, but when looking at the kanji it just doesn't come together as smoothly. Your welcome to take his and the others into more consideration though.

 

It's not that you're wrong. You just have right half of it. At least that's what I get from all this.

 

You're right in concluding that Sakura still loves Sasuke, but as ramenanmitsu explained that you can keep loving someone even if your desires towards them change. That's why Kakashi said that "it's the same love, but the feeling is different".

 

In the flashback it shows that Sakura could only think about how to get together romantically with Sasuke, but now as the manga ends she has outgrown that childish desire. But even then she can still love him (and be passionate about his salvation), despite not having any romantic desire towards him.

 

Even if Sakura is still no aware of it herself this chapter confirms what we long speculated: Sakura's love for Sasuke has transformed to a similar type of love that Naruto and Kakashi have towards Sasuke.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:29 AM

^This.


 
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:31 AM

I've noticed that Azure appears often when there's a NH/SS or ANS chapter... But it must be just a coincidence. :ermm: :mellow: just joking anyway lol

 

If I were a troll I probably wouldn't have 600 something posts. lol

 

I'm sorry if you felt attacked by my post, but it was really irritating for me. But you have the right to believe what you want. So, please accept my apologize for my rudeness if you felt bad about it and let's not talk about it anymore okay?

 

That's fine.
 



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:34 AM

you would be a good troll so, that's sly of you :hm:


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:35 AM

The actual pages are still not out, right?


 
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:37 AM

Can we just appreciate the fact that the kitten of a paring that is SS is finally DEAD! :yes:


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:38 AM

So it is as we translated it as. She still cares about him, but not romantically anymore.
 

Why are we putting so much weight in an interview? Why would Kishimoto just reveal Sakura loving Naruto instead of keeping up the ambiguity? My issue isn't denying the writer's words. I just feel uncomfortable saying he really said that when interviews aren't always reliable sources. It could've been corrupted by bias translators. I would accept Kishi's words if they're real, but I find it just really bizarre of him. Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels like this. :confused:

 

I don't know, Romance Girl, why are people putting so much weight on 540? Why do people put A LOT of weight on all SS and NH scenes, but take NS scenes so lightly as though handling it with kid gloves? Cause they want to play safe? Playing safe has become ridiculous now to the point that apparently there is no such thing as Anti-SS or Anti-NH scenes even though this chapter basically is one, but every scene is Anti-NS.

I am so sick of people saying "You shouldn't take it this way," but then they themselves are taking everything the wrong way too. They want to continue to say that every NS is full of ambiguity and nothing is Pro-NS and yet every SS and NH scene is straight up and absolutely must be taken with the maximum seriousness. I am tired of it myself

People are using every excuse not to accept things the way they are and now even half the memebers of this forum are doing it.

 

They want to deny what Kakashi says in this chapter, but accept that Naruto called Sakura a liar as the truth. Also, they accept that, but they refuse to accept that Naruto told Sai that he confirms his feelings for Sakura.

 

They want to deny that Sasuke has never felt for Sakura ay all during this whole manga and showed it more to Karin, but think that just because Sasuke "saved her" automatically means he is in love with her.

They want to deny that every chapter, every development, every moment that has ever happened in favor of NS for a crappy 540 chapter that their logic of makes no sense what so ever and yet criticize every other chapter as ambiguous even though the same could be said for 540.

 

This whole "playing it safe" is not playing it safe anymore. It is not what they think it means and instead has turned people both paranoid and cynical. Not only that, but the same people become smug and put other people down like all of a sudden they know everything and everyone else is just stupid. Yeah, people who are optimistic in this forum is apparently stupid and doesn't know how to read this manga right, but to them reading this manga with huge paranoia and being cynical is the ONLY true way to read this manga.

I thought "playing it safe" means taking everything with a grain of salt until something happens directly, but I guess I was wrong because apparently "playing it safe" means be super pessimistic and believe the worst out of everything because nothing lives up to my expectations.

 

I didn't know this was an Anti-NS site otherwise I would not have signed up for it. If I want some of these kind of comments, I'll go to other Naruto forums.

 

You know, I rather be overly optimistic and at least be happy with my stay here then continue with this crap people do. So every time someone brings up 540, I am bringing up the interview and I will post it every time. Whether you agree with it or not.

 

I want to share something with you guys. A piece of advice for anyone who does this: If you are so afraid of disappointment with this manga that you have to "play it safe", then all you are doing is living in fear of it. The NH and SS fans have no fear whatsoever. Sure, they may be delusional from time to time, but at least they are not cowards like some of you are and are not afraid to wield their pairing pride. I am not afraid to be proud of my pairing choice and I will continue to wave my banner regardless if NS becomes canon or not.

Now before I get any sort of comment like "Well, that's not what we are doing...or saying...or being..." Yeah, it is exactly like that.

I had NO expectations of Sakura in this war ever since the encounter with Sasuke. I had none. I didn't expect her to fight, gain power-ups, nothing. I thought her entire existence was done until at least the Naruto vs Sasuke fight where things would weigh the greatest. Because I had no expectations, I got excited whenever Sakura did anything and it made me happy. I got excited when all those NS intereactions happened and yet I consider them all NS scenes. I was happy when all the SS theories were just proven so wrong on so many levels and was jumping for joy that my favorite girl, Sakura, isn't what these people claim her to be.

 

I rather be delusional and be happy, then be cynical, miserable, and continue to hate this manga with every page turn. If you are disappointed with this manga because it didn't live up to your expectations, then you did it to yourself and you only have yourself to blame. Constructive Criticism is one thing, but criticism because you wanted something different is another.

 

I so sick of so many people trying to put me down because they want to be cynical about everything even though they are proven wrong time and time again.

 


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:38 AM

you would be a good troll so, that's sly of you :hm:

 

I'm glad you're so impressed. :lol:



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:38 AM

not yet... but i'm sure that words are confirmed since i know that blog reports the words of chapter exactly like in the original. But still, i dont' see all this as a bif SS proof.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:43 AM

^Sure I was just asking, to me it doesn't sound as a proof. On the contrary, it's a proof to SS fans that Sakura changed her feelings towards him, even though she still care about him (not as much as Naruto does, but you get the point).

 

It's not like we didn't get hints that this would happen, if they don't want to accept it then it's their problem.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:44 AM

not yet... but i'm sure that words are confirmed since i know that blog reports the words of chapter exactly like in the original. But still, i dont' see all this as a bif SS proof.

 

Sakura went from crush to love to super love to mega ultra love.

 

There's your proof. :argh:



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:49 AM

I'd like to treat Kakashi's comments in this chapter as similar to Kushina's comments regarding 'find a girl like your mother'. People can try to twist the meaning and try to skew the perspective, but at the end of the day, whatever Kishi laid down will be addressed somehow somewhere in the future.

I recall people did try to twist Kushina's comments, but guess what? 631 happens and it matches very well with the original translation.

I'm not expert at Japanese, but I'm familiar with it. If my memory serve me right, the 'raw' translation is in line with MangaPanda's, as well as Ramenanmitsu's translation. No matter how you put it, the message is clear: Sakura's love has transformed into nakama. Thereby the past tense. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:50 AM

In fact 同じ in this case would better be translated as "Still" rather than "same". Like "it's still love" and not "it's same love" and that's why you omitted on your first translation. 

 
Good find! I couldn't come up with the word "still". You're right, the better translation is as you said, "it's still love",
 

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However, cannot the 同じ be translated as "similar" sometime, isn't?

Hmmm, I don't think so....I will wait megi's opinion on this. There might be some examples that I can't think of right now.
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:58 AM

 
Good find! I couldn't come up with the word "still". You're right, the better translation is as you said, "it's still love",
  Hmmm, I don't think so....I will wait megi's opinion on this. There might be some examples that I can't think of right now.

Wouldn't 同じ be used for a comparaison between 2 things if it had a meaning of "same or similar"?


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