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[Living Lavish]

I wasn't suggesting that Hinata wouldn't be happy for Naruto, just that she's not 100% completely okay with it. I was just using that to show that even if a character is nice and mature, even she wouldn't be completely okay with seeing demonstrations of strong feelings for the person she is in love with.

The dots in Hinata's speech bubble indicated that Hinata's feelings still had some stuff left to cover later in the manga (which is true, considering Kishi is once again visting them in the war) - I originally thought that that moment was closure for Hinata's romantic feelings for Naruto, but apparently I was wrong, and the dots did indicate it was going to be touched upon again.

It could be both. "Hinata, for Naruto you..." is the completely literal translation of Sakura's thoughts ("Hinata...Naruto no koto ga..."), but given that love confessions are typically worded "[insert name] anata/anta no koto ga suki/daisuki desu", then Sakura's thought is just missing the "ga suki/daisuki" (love) part. It could be read either way.

Sorry I don't see the connection the whole scene doesn't emphasize your point IMO. I thought the dots in Hinatas speech bubble represented her thinking of this romantic hug and what came out of it was that smile (to show fans Hinatas feelings towards NS) and not what was to come later. the fact that Kishi didn't show her expression of hurt (for example Narutos pained expression when Sakura hugged Sasuke in part 1) but the opposite comfirmed to me that when Naruto does not reaturn her feelings she would be ok and happy for them. Thats what i think Kishi was trying to get across in that scene.

I think we all knew that was gonna be more Hinata after that Pain arc. there was no denying it tbh.

Edit: I agree about what you said on Hinatas closure with Naruto in the Rock Lee thread.

Edited by Living Lavish, 31 May 2012 - 09:14 PM.

[Verilance]

I finally got Cross Game 7 today (my manga store has issues with its distributor as is was only published two months ago ) but it got me thinking of Narusaku. Adachi-pro is one of the two great influences on Kishimoto and IMO no one writes slice of life/light romance/sports better. As with Naruto the main pairing at the end is obvious at the beginning (well with cross Game we have to wait for the first 10 chapters to be over) but the journey towards it is what makes the story.

I have read Naruto backwards and forwards and NaruSaku is not only obvious to me, I can't see most of the issues brought up by doubters as I usually seem to interpret the chapters in a different way.

maybe it is just naive faith as someone said recently but I don't consider myself that I think I am more a realist.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

So you have low hope and you want us to feel the same way I got it.
I also understand your post, being classified now as not helpful for NS and not relevant to me.

Naruto call out Sakura because she was lying to herself, why is he allow to lie to himself when all his live he only loved Sakura? Just to make Hinata happy? Who is Hinata? If I believe Hinata was more important to Naruto than Sakura or more relevant than her in this story in general, I would not ship NS.
If I have the mentality that Sakura will not grow out from the person that hurt her I would not ship NaruSaku. If I still believe that Sakura will always be a Sasuke fangirl I would not ship NS.
If I believe that Sasuke already claimed Sakura before he left, I would not be a NS.
If I believe all Sakura's advance, her deep bond with Naruto, being questioned about her feeling for Naruto, her choosing Naruto over Sasuke in the past, Naruto's love Sasuke's hurt and the fact that Sakura finaly acknowledging both guys would still lead to SS, I would not ship NS.
If I believe that the day Sasuke try to date Sakura (highly unlikely) Sakura's will not tell him go to hell, I would not ship NaruSaku.
If I believe that Kishi message is leading to, you most learn to give up you will save your friend, you will save the world, but you will never get the only girl you ever love to love you back, I would not ship NS.
If I believe that all Naruto's effor to make things right and the wish he has that one day Sakura could grow to love him will be thrown in the garbage, I would no ship NaruSaku, and you know why? Because that's exactly the way or NH and SS fans thinks.


Thier is something all NaruSaku fans needs to keep in mind, thier is a reason why Kishi made Sakura fully aware of the deep of Naruto's feelings and how debasted Sakura was because she ignored them and hurted him at the same time. Sakura will always know there is someone that loves her deeply and will go to the end of the world to see her happy, she will always have that in her mind. Has we could see, Naruto appreciated Hinata feelings and Sasuke thanked Sakura, but none were deeply moved by that fact that the other party love them. Plus none of the girls were willing to go to the end of the world just to see their love interest happy, even is that happiness was not with them, Kishi clearly illustrates that to the fans.

You have it all wrong. I wasn't declaring that Hinata is more important than Sakura. And I'm sure as hell I'm not encouraging people to have low hopes and jump ship. I don't even know where to begin with this post, so my lips are sealed with this one.

1. "Why did she do it? Why did she jump out there alone and try and fight the guy that just flattened the village like a pancake?" I've already discussed this before, but Sakura's expression was not directed at Hinata as a person. It was a realization that other people like Naruto too. It was not resentment or stupid jealousy. It was a thoughtful moment for Sakura and made her reflect on Naruto in general.

Hinata seems to love Naruto as she jumped out there and and risked her life for him, maybe she should do the same? Will others do the same for Naruto too? If Hinata's confession influenced Sakura at all during her confession, all it did was encourage her to go and risk her life to kill Sasuke for Naruto's sake, which is far fetched.

Unless Hinata's personal talk no jutsu was projected for the entire world to hear -or I'm missing something- no one heard the actual confession save Pein and Naruto. Others might be a bit confused why she randomly jumped out there, but Sakura ties 2 and 2 together.

Of course, she wouldn't know about the confession absolutely, she's probably making an assumption, a big one. Why would she have any reaction towards Hinata if she didn't actually 'witness' the confession in a hearable range. Even if she did hear it, what do you expect Sakura's reaction to be like?

"Oh Hinata, I heard you like Naruto now. Just to let you know, I'm watching you. You better not try anything with him", "I heard you like Naruto too. We're now love rivals"

Hm, what does that sound like to you? Oh I know, the 12 year old Sakura that you admitted she no longer is. What would she ignore Hinata for? Hinata hasn't done anything wrong other than love a boy she's hardly talked to.

Sakura isn't going to have any reaction towards Hinata that is dramatic and I think you're putting way too much thought into moments that aren't important.

4. She hasn't fangirled Sasuke since part 1. Just making that clear. She still might love him yes, but fangirl Sakura is gone. She's blended in with her inner self, no longer hiding behind a fangirl personality. Again, she's not 12 anymore.

So you expect Sakura's reaction to be "OMG, You're the Yondaime's son?! We should totally get together now Naruto! Because you're so cool and famous and the son of a hero even though you're already a hero yourself! Sorry for slapping you when you needed it! How silly of me! *giggle*" -the above example is exactly why I avoid some NS fanfiction. They have this type of horrible unrealistic OOC reaction from Sakura-

The only effect it could have is Naruto telling her for the sake of telling her more about himself. Just having "Minato is my father" on his resume is not going to boost Sakura's romantic interest in him. Neither will it be a negative one.

The only reaction I can see is maybe a bit of sadness, realizing it was his own father that sealed the Kyuubi in him. No fangirling, no checking off a resume list, no disgust for Naruto all the sudden, nothing as dramatic as you see to want it to be. It would probably be a serious or serene moment between the two, maybe others.

If she cared about hitting the relatives of Hokage's, then she wouldn't have hit Konohamaru in the past and definitely wouldn't have hit him for his yuri no jutsu. No one cares that much about being the relative of a Hokage. They aren't gods, she's not suddenly going to worship the ground that Naruto walks on. And she's not going to be sorry about knocking some sense into his head NOW AND THEN. -seriously she doesn't hit him that much and it's all comedy relief -

Okay, why would Sakura smile when the thought of Hinata loving Naruto? The only reason is that Naruto is a brother to her. She should be happy after connecting the dots, because Hinata is a sweetheart. But fortunately, she wasn't smiling, which is a good thing for us NS shippers. Like I said in my first posting, it's not directed to Hinata only. This goes out to any other women that will become infatuated with Naruto in the future. Of course it is only for Sakura natural to slightly envy any woman that has romantic feelings for Naruto. Although, she won't show it on the out side because of her mature nature.

As for Sakura learning Naruto is Minato's son. I personally think it will have a significant impact with her "future" romantic relationship with Naruto both positive and negative. First of all, I was not implying Sakura is going to become a fan-girl again. Surelly, she's professional enough not to display it on the outside. As for the negative, I'm fully aware that Sakura is going to feel guilty about Naruto's father sacrificed himself to seal Kurama inside Naruto. But will Sakura declare herself undeserving of Naruto's affection, because what she had done to him in the past? I'm very sure the horrible things she had done to Naruto before the graduated and became Team 7 would never be forgotten. I'm sure she knows Naruto must have been suffering a great deal amount of pain when she doubtlessly rejected him, beat him up, and asked out Sasuke in front of Naruto's face, numerous times.

If not, Kishi will use the later stages of Part 1 and the entire Part as an excuse for Sakura to make amends of the past without declaring herself undeserving of Naruto's love, which is a cliche to me.

Things shouldn't be left unsettled... unsaid.

What do you think?

[Verilance]

I am pretty sure Sakura already knows that Naruto is the son of Namikaze Minato, after all she already knew he was a Jinchuriki since the beginning of Part 2 and that was also a closely guarded secret known only to the same special few.

If you are holding out for some reason for Sakura to fall in love with Naruto then you haven't really understood the story Kishimoto is trying to tell, really stop being obsessed with SasuSaku

[FoolishYoungling]

I am pretty sure Sakura already knows that Naruto is the son of Namikaze Minato, after all she already knew he was a Jinchuriki since the beginning of Part 2 and that was also a closely guarded secret known only to the same special few.

If you are holding out for some reason for Sakura to fall in love with Naruto then you haven't really understood the story Kishimoto is trying to tell, really stop being obsessed with SasuSaku

Him being a jinchuriki was known by everyone. It's why as a kid, he was hated. The thing with Minato is that Naruto has just found out himself that he is the son of the fourth hokage. Will Sakura and everyone else find out soon about Minato being Naruto's father? Of course. Do they know now? Probably not.

[Jake]

I am pretty sure Sakura already knows that Naruto is the son of Namikaze Minato, after all she already knew he was a Jinchuriki since the beginning of Part 2 and that was also a closely guarded secret known only to the same special few.

Based on her reaction to when Naruto told her that he was a jinchuriki I don't think she knew and the only people who know he is Minato's son are Jiraiya, Tsunade, Kakashi, Yamato, A, and Itachi (please let me know if I'm forgetting anyone).

[kirabook]

The people that lived through the attack knew, but no one in Naruto's generation did. After all, Sandaime put a rule into place to make sure no one of his generation knew so Naruto could live a more normal life, not even he himself knew.

Of course now they probably all know, and they probably had an idea for a while. It's not that hard to pick up the clues and figure it out. But having something you theorized about proven can be shocking either way. Just like we theorize about NS becoming real. Won't we all have a big reaction when it's proven true?

As for the Minato situation, I still don't understand why Sakura would have any such reaction about treating Naruto badly just because he's the 4th's son. She already feels bad for some of her behavior anyway, why should she only feel bad about it because Naruto's dad is Minato?

Why should Minato have an effect on what she thinks of Naruto at all? She doesn't need Minato to reflect on what she has done for and to Naruto. She does that on her own already. Feeling bad about your actions only because they're related to someone 'famous' is still shallow and doesn't really reflect the Sakura of the now to me.

Edited by kirabook, 31 May 2012 - 11:30 PM.

[kidNinja]

Based on her reaction to when Naruto told her that he was a jinchuriki I don't think she knew and the only people who know he is Minato's son are Jiraiya, Tsunade, Kakashi, Yamato, A, and Itachi (please let me know if I'm forgetting anyone).

The two elders,The Third Hokage (and most likely Danzo) know/knew

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

But it is still unclear that Naruto's generation and civilians know about Naruto being Minato's son. I wager that Tthat this will benefit Naruto becoming a Hokage and is going to be a heartthrob for the ladies... Good luck Sakura.

[Dalton.T.R]

Based on her reaction to when Naruto told her that he was a jinchuriki I don't think she knew and the only people who know he is Minato's son are Jiraiya, Tsunade, Kakashi, Yamato, A, and Itachi (please let me know if I'm forgetting anyone).

Kakashi???

[kidNinja]

Kakashi???

Yeah. Remember when he asked Naruto, "What do fathers talk with their sons about?"

[The Tax-Man]

Kakashi???

After Naruto gets beat up between the Invasion of Pain and Kage Summit arcs, Kakashi asks him what the 4th said to him. It's pretty obvious that he knows. Chapter 455, pg. 15.

[kirabook]

... Not sure if it's just me but..... that picture you embedded is a picture of a drunk Aizen having a talk with a drunk Panda..... no joke.

[The Tax-Man]

... Not sure if it's just me but..... that picture you embedded is a picture of a drunk Aizen having a talk with a drunk Panda..... no joke.

That happens on mobile sometimes. It's the actual picture though.

[Paptala]

Sorry I don't see the connection the whole scene doesn't emphasize your point IMO. I thought the dots in Hinatas speech bubble represented her thinking of this romantic hug and what came out of it was that smile (to show fans Hinatas feelings towards NS) and not what was to come later. the fact that Kishi didn't show her expression of hurt (for example Narutos pained expression when Sakura hugged Sasuke in part 1) but the opposite comfirmed to me that when Naruto does not reaturn her feelings she would be ok and happy for them. Thats what i think Kishi was trying to get across in that scene.

I think we all knew that was gonna be more Hinata after that Pain arc. there was no denying it tbh.

No, Hinata's reaction to the NS hug definitely wasn't in the same league as Naruto's expression to watching Sakura hug Sasuke. You're right, it would be far less painful for Hinata to see NH than it would for Naruto to see SS, though both would endeavor to be happy for the people they love. I was just saying that the dots were there to show she wasn't completely okay with it - though it was just a small thing. Why else would Kishi even bother putting the speech bubble with dots there otherwise?

Though overall, I fully agree that Hinata will ultimately get closure to her feelings for Naruto, and then be completely okay with NS.

Edit: I agree about what you said on Hinatas closure with Naruto in the Rock Lee thread.

:-)

[Jake]

The people that lived through the attack knew, but no one in Naruto's generation did. After all, Sandaime put a rule into place to make sure no one of his generation knew so Naruto could live a more normal life, not even he himself knew.

Of course now they probably all know, and they probably had an idea for a while. It's not that hard to pick up the clues and figure it out. But having something you theorized about proven can be shocking either way. Just like we theorize about NS becoming real. Won't we all have a big reaction when it's proven true?

As for the Minato situation, I still don't understand why Sakura would have any such reaction about treating Naruto badly just because he's the 4th's son. She already feels bad for some of her behavior anyway, why should she only feel bad about it because Naruto's dad is Minato?

Why should Minato have an effect on what she thinks of Naruto at all? She doesn't need Minato to reflect on what she has done for and to Naruto. She does that on her own already. Feeling bad about your actions only because they're related to someone 'famous' is still shallow and doesn't really reflect the Sakura of the now to me.

People knew that he was a Jinchuriki, not that he was Minato's son. What good would changing his name to Uzumaki have done if Minato's enemies could have just asked someone in the village who Minato's son is?

[Don-kun]

For those that doesn't agree with Paptala.
I'm not sure if this explanation fits the one on that Manga panel, but this was the closes I could get.

In manga, the ellipsis (i.e. three dots) is also used to express silence in a much more significant way than the mere absence of bubbles. This is specially seen when a character is supposed to say something, to indicate a stunned silence or when a sarcastic comment is expected by the reader.

Honestly what Kishi has in his mind, Hinata wasn't jealous, not sad, not angry, not depressed, she is seen happy, but by the exploitation of the speech bubble with dots we see that she wasn't. She didn't felt anything, is like it didn't bother her at all.

He's given me a vibe of, who is Hinata? Who cares about what she thinks? Or (Hinata) why should I worry about Naruto and Sakura? he is already mine.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

when sakura hug sasuke in part 1 he was jealous like somthing hurt his romantic feelings for her , totally different than hinata's reaction on sakura's hug.

[kirabook]

People knew that he was a Jinchuriki, not that he was Minato's son. What good would changing his name to Uzumaki have done if Minato's enemies could have just asked someone in the village who Minato's son is?

I was talking strictly about his status of being a Jinchuriki. Maybe I should have been more specific. XD

[Paptala]

For those that doesn't agree with Paptala.
I'm not sure if this explanation fits the one on that Manga panel, but this was the closes I could get.

In manga, the ellipsis (i.e. three dots) is also used to express silence in a much more significant way than the mere absence of bubbles. This is specially seen when a character is supposed to say something, to indicate a stunned silence or when a sarcastic comment is expected by the reader.

Honestly what Kishi has in his mind, Hinata wasn't jealous, not sad, not angry, not depressed, she is seen happy, but by the exploitation of the speech bubble with dots we see that she wasn't. She didn't felt anything, is like it didn't bother her at all.

He's given me a vibe of, who is Hinata? Who cares about what she thinks? Or (Hinata) why should I worry about Naruto and Sakura? he is already mine.

If it didn't bother Hinata at all, then why emphasize her silence in such a manner?

Again, I am not saying that Hinata's reaction was anything comparable to Naruto's pained reaction to Sakura hugging Sasuke in the hospital - obviously, Naruto's reaction was a lot more significant and telling. All I was saying was that Hinata's reaction showed that:

• Hinata wasn't 100% okay with seeing Sakura hug Naruto that intimately (which is a good thing for NS, as if she wasn't bothered AT ALL at seeing another girl hugging the guy she just confessed her love to, then it would be more fuel the argument that the hug was platonic)
• Even the nicest characters would be at least A LITTLE bothered by seeing non-platonic affection being given to THEIR object of affections (meaning Sakura being bothered by the realization of the depth of Hinata's feelings for Naruto isn't some awful bastardization of her character, or depicting her in the light of her 12 year-old self)
• Kishimoto wasn't entirely done with her feelings at that point in time

Edited by Paptala, 01 June 2012 - 04:37 PM.