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#11141 Soul

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 24 2013, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, i'm going to completely disagree with you. If you read the next page after that then you will learn the true meaning of what she meant by "not chasing him".

Ans for Sakura's speach when she says "we will be together", i've said this before and it's been discussed before but i don't think that has any romantic implications due to the next 2 panels says "not just me", "we are all going to fight together this time!"

As much as i hate to admit it, Hinata was thinking solely about Naruto romantically whilst Sakura was thinking about Naruto having to save the world on his own ( and her being with him was her saying she will support him in the fight to come, not romantically) Even Kiba says to Naruto "You don't need to act tough around Hinata" he could of said anything else but he says that. If NH has no chance to be canon why bother putting that in?

Sad to say it but i think Kishi might be giving in to NH fanbase. What could possibly explain all of this time Hinata is getting? some of you guys have said character development before she is sidelined for sasuke vs naruto arc which is a good point. Hinata is getting a filler episode on Sakuras birthday no less? hmmm

>>>AT THE MOMENT!<<< NH is more likely to be canon (This is completely up for change) until Sasuke vs Naruto arc comes.

Overall i think Kishi is f***ing around with all of us when it comes to NH vs NS vs SS. He has NH in the manga and NS in films/anime.


Annnndd I have to disagree here. We're not sure what Naruto feels about this, because the holding hands moments wasn't romantic since he gave her chakra and did it with everyone. So the answer is that we should and wait and see, because I can feel that something will happen soon between Naruto and Sakura.

It's actually the opposite, while the anime have some moments for NH (Which is filler). Like what happened between Pain and Hinata. (And it does have some NS filler moments, which is nice too). while in the manga it holds the NS moments and not the NH.



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE (Zeref @ Feb 24 2013, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Annnndd I have to disagree here. We're not sure what Naruto feels about this, because the holding hands moments wasn't romantic since he gave her chakra and did it with everyone. So the answer is that we should and wait and see, because I can feel that something will happen soon between Naruto and Sakura.

It's actually the opposite, while the anime have some moments for NH (Which is filler). Like what happened between Pain and Hinata. (And it does have some NS filler moments, which is nice too). while in the manga it holds the NS moments and not the NH.


Hmm, but Hinata was doing everything i think Sakura should of been doing (slapping Naruto to snap him out of breakdown, as well as doing everything that Hinata did in 615)

Ofc your right when it comes to wait and see.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 24 2013, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, i'm going to completely disagree with you. If you read the next page after that then you will learn the true meaning of what she meant by "not chasing him".

Ans for Sakura's speach when she says "we will be together", i've said this before and it's been discussed before but i don't think that has any romantic implications due to the next 2 panels says "not just me", "we are all going to fight together this time!"

As much as i hate to admit it, Hinata was thinking solely about Naruto romantically whilst Sakura was thinking about Naruto having to save the world on his own ( and her being with him was her saying she will support him in the fight to come, not romantically) Even Kiba says to Naruto "You don't need to act tough around Hinata" he could of said anything else but he says that. If NH has no chance to be canon why bother putting that in?

Sad to say it but i think Kishi might be giving in to NH fanbase. What could possibly explain all of this time Hinata is getting? some of you guys have said character development before she is sidelined for sasuke vs naruto arc which is a good point. Hinata is getting a filler episode on Sakuras birthday no less? hmmm

>>>AT THE MOMENT!<<< NH is more likely to be canon (This is completely up for change) until Sasuke vs Naruto arc comes. I am well aware that Naruto has never had any romantic feelings for Hinata but i would not be suprised if he did develop some in the coming chapters due to the direction Kishi seems to have been going recently with 614+

Overall i think Kishi is f***ing around with all of us when it comes to NH vs NS vs SS. He has NH in the manga and NS in films/anime. But the question is: Is it better to have NS in the films rather then in the manga? otherwise the films just seem to be fanservice to us.

Go ahead, compare NS to NH moments in the manga and you know the outcome. Only because theres some focus on hinata the last weeks has NOTHING to mean. Actually hinatas focus now means that she will have no focus in the end, its easy as that.
Tell me what hinata can do more now? Also during the so called NH moments, naruto never showed a sign of romance and is also the character who never changes. We have a movie full of NS, including the parallel between MinaKushi and if we remember kushinas words to Naruto (try to find someone like your mother), its pretty hard to take the movie as just fanservice.
After 615 we also have the follow up that shows that this moment wasnt ment to be romanitc.

Hinata is a side character and is not important to the story and she will never be. Also if you remember sakura also slaped narutos face in the beginning of part 2.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 24 2013, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, i'm going to completely disagree with you. If you read the next page after that then you will learn the true meaning of what she meant by "not chasing him".

Ans for Sakura's speach when she says "we will be together", i've said this before and it's been discussed before but i don't think that has any romantic implications due to the next 2 panels says "not just me", "we are all going to fight together this time!"

As much as i hate to admit it, Hinata was thinking solely about Naruto romantically whilst Sakura was thinking about Naruto having to save the world on his own ( and her being with him was her saying she will support him in the fight to come, not romantically) Even Kiba says to Naruto "You don't need to act tough around Hinata" he could of said anything else but he says that.

Sad to say it but i think Kishi might be giving in to NH fanbase. What could possibly explain all of this time Hinata is getting? some of you guys have said character development before she is sidelined for sasuke vs naruto arc which is a good point. Hinata is getting a filler episode on Sakuras birthday no less? hmmm

>>>AT THE MOMENT!<<< NH is more likely to be canon (This is completely up for change) until Sasuke vs Naruto arc comes.

The next page meant to be 615. She said in 573 " Next time, I'll be next to you, holding your hand... Walking with you". 615 happened based on what she said. In 615, she was next to him, holding his hand, and walking with you as in supporting him. I expect Hinata to not show as much interest as she had before, based by what she said: " ...But...once this war ends, I'm going to stop once and for all ". Probably, she'll show some fondness on Naruto after the war but not heavily as before, and , actually, I won't be surprised at all if she didn't show a bit of interest towards him. This character, Hinata, have said it clearly. If she didn't think about it or anything, why would she say it ?. If you'll try to dig heavily into what she's saying, of course you'll have many different ideas ! XD

Trust me, Kiba's saying to tease the pairings fans. That's exactly what Kishi was trying to do with the pairings fans XD, and it worked.

Okay, if Kishi was giving in to NH fans, tell me what he'll do with Naruto in regard of Hinata ?... if we say by switching love to Hinata all of a sudden with at least all the work he has done to him and Sakura for nothing ? Okay, then what about how he'll establish it ? By giving them two or three moments like he's doing now and making some other the same, and Naruto showing nothing at all in regard of her, and after that Naruto will pull out of nowhere confessing to her ?
I would really like to see Kishi making that and trying with all his might and sweat making all this work... seriously.

Hinata is getting a filler episode on Sakura's birthday, so ? If there was anything to be made on Sakura's birthday, it's for Kishi in the manga which, like all the characters, probably won't get one.

NH is more likely to be canon at the moment or not, that's your thinking on the matter by the couple of chapters that made you think that way XD

Umm, NH in the manga and NS in films/anime ?. It's NS in the manga, anime, fillers and films. NH in fillers anime.

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Edited by T XD, 24 February 2013 - 05:58 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 24 2013, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm, but Hinata was doing everything i think Sakura should of been doing (slapping Naruto to snap him out of breakdown, as well as doing everything that Hinata did in 615)

Ofc your right when it comes to wait and see.

Yeah, and I'm really sad about that sad.gif .... We didn't see her shine in this battle. Well we have to expect that we will see her shine but I'm not going to raise my hopes.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:32 PM

I do wonder, what is it take to you revert you guys into a green zone. Some of you are in yellow zone. What will it take to make you back to green zone? And don't say NS must be canon. You can still be in green without them being canon.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 24 2013, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do wonder, what is it take to you revert you guys into a green zone. Some of you are in yellow zone. What will it take to make you back to green zone? And don't say NS must be canon. You can still be in green without them being canon.

I dont get what you mean laugh.gif

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

you get a filler chapter about hinata that doesnt say that she is getting more focous. after all she is just a side character. sleep.gif

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 24 2013, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dont get what you mean laugh.gif

Ok, assuming everyone is in panic zone, which is yellow. Danger would be red alas chapter 615. Green is when everyone is calm and peace. Green would be for those who finally got not only Sakura's shining moment but NS moment, which people eagerly awaits to get out of mind of Hinata. You can't say "In order to be safe, NS must be canon," because that's basically saying, "You don't say," since well it's canon. I can see some are in yellow zone because no Sakura and Hinata got the attention. But let's see when all that change once Sakura gets in the picture.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:46 PM

Maybe Hinata's speech was meant to be taken literally?!, I mean when she said "I'll be by your side holding your hand ... Walking with you," I doubt that she was saying it literally like going to the battlefield and hold his hand and bla bla bla ... but it was exactly what happened, so why we can't take the rest of her speech literally too?? when she said "I'm going to stop once and for all" I doubt that she was saying that she would give up of Naruto here ... but what if it is exactly what gonna happen? for some reason she come to a conclusion that Naruto doesn't like her romantically and decide stop chasing him. It will actually made her speech a foreshadowing about her character development.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:46 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 24 2013, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, assuming everyone is in panic zone, which is yellow. Danger would be red alas chapter 615. Green is when everyone is calm and peace. Green would be for those who finally got not only Sakura's shining moment but NS moment, which people eagerly awaits to get out of mind of Hinata. You can't say "In order to be safe, NS must be canon," because that's basically saying, "You don't say," since well it's canon. I can see some are in yellow zone because no Sakura and Hinata got the attention. But let's see when all that change once Sakura gets in the picture.

Ahh kk, get it. Then im in green already biggrin.gif

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:58 PM

QUOTE (Midoriko @ Feb 24 2013, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I enjoyed that whole dialog from StrikertheNoble laugh.gif


Based on what exactly?

That's a good question, especially since we now know that there's nothing romantic about 615. Granted that could change if Kishi decides to change it but I highly doubt that. Honestly it seems like that was the last of her development.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 24 2013, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do wonder, what is it take to you revert you guys into a green zone. Some of you are in yellow zone. What will it take to make you back to green zone? And don't say NS must be canon. You can still be in green without them being canon.


Sadly i think i will be going from green to yellow in an endless cycle until Kishi actually does something with sakura, her mere absence from the manga for god knows how long is enough to put me in the yellow zone to be fair. Trying to stay strong but....


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 24 2013, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sadly i think i will be going from green to yellow in an endless cycle until Kishi actually does something with sakura, her mere absence from the manga for god knows how long is enough to put me in the yellow zone to be fair. Trying to stay strong but....

Understandable. Just don't give in when the war isn't over.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:25 PM

Another thing about 615: Most of us noticed that even Hinata didn't react to Naruto hold her hand, we should expected from her some comments about that maybe he was reciprocated her feelings or at least a surprise face ... but she just didn't react, the only thing we get from her was just a comment about Naruto's hand but nothing really romantic... but when you stop to think about what happened in 616, her lack of reaction makes sense, she KNEW that he was holding her hand to pass chakra, remember that everyone on the battlefield knew about Shikaku's plan ... that's why everyone reached out their hands to Naruto.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:29 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 24 2013, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do wonder, what is it take to you revert you guys into a green zone. Some of you are in yellow zone. What will it take to make you back to green zone? And don't say NS must be canon. You can still be in green without them being canon.


I'm going to assume here :
Red Zone = Fan, but no chance of cannon
Yellow Zone = Fan, but doubtful
Green Zone = Fan, and confident in pairing

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Feb 24 2013, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm going to assume here :
Red Zone = Fan, but no chance of cannon
Yellow Zone = Fan, but doubtful
Green Zone = Fan, and confident in pairing

Pretty much.
What about if there's orange zone too ? as in doubtful but sometimes confident XD. I can see some who are like that.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:36 PM

on a scale of 0/10 i'm on 7.
Like Green almost yellow.

I would be 10/10 but i took over 3 points because it's kishi and he's doing a lot of asspulls lately, OOc, and doing some unlogic stuff.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:37 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Feb 24 2013, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's a good question, especially since we now know that there's nothing romantic about 615. Granted that could change if Kishi decides to change it but I highly doubt that. Honestly it seems like that was the last of her development.

That's the way I took it too. When I first read 615 the first thing that came to my mind was "Oh, I get it. This is her closure.". Granted that some people are now taking the fact that Hinata popped Naruto's shoulder back into place as a sign that Hinata will now take center stage and somehow be able to heal him. laugh.gif

I actually found it nice that it was a combination of Naruto, Hinata and Lee (the ones that took the most relevance over Neji's death) that were able to disconnect Madara and Obito from the Juubi. It was a beautiful payback.

In the thread of 614 somewhere there's a post where I completely called it about the hand holding happening in the next chapter. That's when I realized that Hinata's speech on 573 was supposed to be a literal foreshadowing, which is also why I believe she already came to terms with her unrequited feelings by saying she'll stop chasing Naruto once and for all.

You see, Hinata's speech is actually two statements: what she'll do after the war (stop pursing him) and what she'll do during the war (hold his hand). It's because we are mixing those two together instead of viewing them separate that we take it as a romance hint.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Feb 24 2013, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
on a scale of 0/10 i'm on 7.
Like Green almost yellow.

I would be 10/10 but i took over 3 points because it's kishi and he's doing a lot of asspulls lately, OOc, and doing some unlogic stuff.


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