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[Princess Iris]

I know I m somewhat stupid in that

but i think .....Naruto won't be Hokage in the end...

[Nefertieh]

Real threat has always been Sasuke, not Hinata...

Be it SasuSaku (which NH is a byproduct of) or SasuNaru.

 

Are we talking about the same Sasuke here?

 

 

Even if he manages to be friends with Sakura one day, I doubt he'd suddenly find her not-repulsive.

[abloublou]

 

Are we talking about the same Sasuke here?

 

 

Even if he manages to be friends with Sakura one day, I doubt he'd suddenly find her not-repulsive.

I don't think he finds Sakura repulsive. I just think he's not into her (and girls in general, as I see him as asexual and aromantic), just like Naruto is not into Hinata.

 

At least SS is somewhat of a plot point while NH is nothing at all.

[Ausakura]

 

See, that's the thing.  Hinata is all wrong for Naruto in every way that really counts.  Despite all her moon-eyed stuttering about his inspiring nindo, she's nothing like him and has nothing to offer him. 

 

Hinata is sickeningly self-absorbed, unconfident, unable to show leadership, weak, easily threatened, depressed and depressive, and as Shakespeare would say, she's duller than a great thaw.

 

It's as if Naruto is an FM receiver and Hinata broadcasts in AM.  She can send him all the signals she wants, but he will never get them.

 

Ok. That's only because she have a load of flaws that she can't be with Naruto?

Is your boyfriend/girlfriend the perfect person?

I don't know if you noticed, but she already confessed to him, she held hands and gave him strenght when Neji died... Hinata CAN touch Naruto, she have a connection with him. And Hinata and Naruto have a good bond. She's very unconfident, but Naruto always pass through this barrier of shyness and self-judgment. And every time Naruto is down, she raises him up.

Sakura also have a TONS of flaws. She's the most human character in this story!

And there's even more: She not only have a lot of flaws in her persona, but she COMMITED a large number of mistakes comparing to the other characters!

 

So, there's Sakura. Despite her being his friend, Sakura is aggressive and is in love with someone else.

Sakura is depressive, sometimes unconfident, weak, not enough, easily you see her in danger and being saved/rescued by someone else, and I don't need Shakespeare to bash her.

 

Guys, don't do that. I ship NS, but I recommend to consider NH as a potential pairing as well. It's not to fear, but just to respect. On the contrary way of SS, NH has a chance to happen and the manga has been building it's bridge since she first appeared in the story. The only thing that's left to happen is to Naruto, someway, fall in love with her. And it's not that difficult as they already admire each other. If he gives a chance, it's over. This is fiction, remember?

 

But, also, the moment to Sakura legitimaly fall in love with Naruto is NOW. And I think NS would be more official than any other pairing, as we see several other pairings that makes a paralell with them. And then, there's that thing of "newest generation surpassing oldest ones". I think our big rival is NH, they have a huge possibility to happen... But then, don't fear. Specially those teasers. Kishimoto and Sp knows that NH fans exist. They have to make those people watch the movie. And there's no better way to achieve this than to do this kind of teasing.

 

Anyway, I don't believe that something will be concrete after the movie, cuz it seems this movie is just an introduction to a new saga... We'll only have another open ending and that's it...

[Syn11]

NS (relatively detailed) - 50%

Open ending (with slight hints of NS or other random pairing...) - 50%

NH or SS - 0%

 

I'm quite confident about this prognosis. NH got their canon in Tsukuyomi. SS was shot down by a genjutsu too. By the way, it's funny that Kishi finished off those two pairings by using genjutsu... it shows both of them were illusionary in the fisrt place.

Edited by Syn11, 14 October 2014 - 12:32 PM.

[Nefertieh]

I don't think he finds Sakura repulsive. I just think he's not into her (and girls in general, as I see him as asexual and aromantic), just like Naruto is not into Hinata.

 

At least SS is somewhat of a plot point while NH is nothing at all.

 

Constantly calling someone annoying, attempted to murder her, and mocking her feelings? Sorry, I don't think "just not into her" quite cuts it.

 

It's not at all comparable to how Naruto treats Hinata. =|

 

If sasusaku is a "plot point", then anti-sasusaku is the plot.

[DarkRadeon]

SasuSaku is not gonna happen.Studio Pierott are major NaruHina fans as shown by how they hype Hinata moments in the anime.I don't take their NH tweets seriously for this reason alone
If Hinata ends up with Naruto it will be out of left field

Edited by DarkRadeon, 14 October 2014 - 12:35 PM.

[Alessa]

 

Thank you for your objectivity. After all, since all thoses hints are released all I read here is: "It's like RTN! Don't fall so easily." or "And what are you doing of all this NS developmen since the very beginning." People fail to understand that it's not the same as RTN. RTN promotion was aimed at pointing out the difference of behavior of the characters like Hinata and Sasuke. As for the development, people should focus on what's happening and what is shown to us at the current time, and nor be stuck in the past. 

 

I'm not spreading negativity, because I'm not saying NS is dead and NH/SS will happen, I'm just pointing out the lack of lucidity on that matter. From now on any pairing has the same chance of happening as every other pairing. In other words, NS/NH/SS are equal at this state of things, I would even say that if you're going by what is shown to us "at the current time", SS/NH has higher chances, but NS is still possible.

 

Objectivity is great until it gets in the way of inquiry and reasoning. Once you try to reason author's point of view, development or the meaning of some scene, you stray away from being objective. It is the price you pay for thinking and working with the material you have. People very often call themselves objective when they choose not to think anymore. Because what can seem more "objective" than saying nothing about ambivalent facts and choosing to just state the possibility of anything being possible.

 

Well I say, that it is not the real objectivity, it is surrender of thought. Such attitude covers fear and pessimism way too well. If the person is afraid of what can happen, he puts the mask of objectivity on his face and retreats to imagined "pont zero" where everyhing is possible.

 

Is denying the development in the past really that objective? What about the genre, what about authors intentions and parallels, what about his own statements, what about particular scenes? They do exist, but thay are not so vivid, they contradict themselves sometimes, they require interpretation, so it is just better to deny their existence and not take them into consideration, right?

 

Well, no. Wrong.

 

Each character in the mentioned pairings have started on different positions. You can't deny that Naruto and Sakura are main hero and heroine, that Sakura is Naruto's first and primary love interest. That is objective, isn't it? What about Naruto mentioning he wants to confess to Sakura not so long ago in manga timeline? What about the fact that this manga is indeed shounen and it has some very distinctive features? And I am not saying that the hero must be with the heroine, but that something stated as a goal has to be achieved. I am not willing to continue this any longer. Even the fact that Hinata is a secondary character with little development puts NH pairing in a very different position than NS. They are not equal, OBJECTIVELY. Sasuke did reject and "kill" Sakura a couple of chapters ago (it was also stated she doesn't want a relationship with him), just as objectively.

 

Equal? No.

 

I do agree that stating that "NS is a given, already canon" is too much. That is putting your convictions in the matter. But stating that every pairing has equal possibility to happen is just ridiculous. Kishi and movie-writers can pull anything from their hat, they can make any kind of choices, but it doesn't change the fact that some choices would be less probable, more surprising and valid from literary perspective (according to the rules of the genre, message of the story and etc.).

 

Don't confuse your lack of trust in the author with objectivity.

[FreakySandra1995]

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This, especially the last statement

[luffyq1]

what's with all the panic?

[Chucky-kun]

what's with all the panic?

Guess with things coming down to the wire, some people aren't confident in Kishi's abilities to follow through with all his build-up.

Believe in the Kishi that believes in Parallelograms.
 

[DarkRadeon]

The only solution to the problem is hopefully we will get a pairing hint in the epilogue

[Syn11]

Guess with things coming down to the wire, some people aren't confident in Kishi's abilities to follow through with all his build-up.

Believe in the Kishi that believes in Parallelograms.
 

Yep, Kishimoto's manga is quite geometrical in themes and plot. We can start deducing axioms, theorems and lemmas to prove that NS is the most possible outcome. Lol.

Edited by Syn11, 14 October 2014 - 12:48 PM.

[Nefertieh]

>No new information about the movie.

 

>People working themselves into a panic because of the image of Hinata released a week ago.

[DarkRadeon]

>No new information about the movie.
 
>People working themselves into a panic because of the image of Hinata released a week ago.

Look on the bright side.Both NS and NH got teases.SS has nothing so at least that's one pairing out of the way

[Chucky-kun]

Yep, Kishimoto's manga is quite geometrical in themes and plot. We can start deducing axioms, theorems and lemmas to prove that NS is the most possible outcome. Lol.

a^2+b^2=NH getting rekt

[Nefertieh]

Yep, Kishimoto's manga is quite geometrical in themes and plot. We can start deducing axioms, theorems and lemmas to prove that NS is the most possible outcome. Lol.

 

Now is a good time to remind you there are people in the fandom who actually think Google hits = popularity.

Edited by Nefertieh, 14 October 2014 - 12:52 PM.

[Syn11]

 

Now is a good time to remind you there are people in the fandom who actually think Google hits = popularity.

We can always try following Spinoza's example. At least... it is more reasonable than "the Scarf theory". Actually anything is more reasonable than paying attention to this absurdity.

Edited by Syn11, 14 October 2014 - 12:57 PM.

[Nefertieh]

Look on the bright side.Both NS and NH got teases.SS has nothing so at least that's one pairing out of the way

 

I've indicated that don't think sasusaku has a chance of remotely being canon, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

 

 

We can always try following Spinoza's example. At least... it is more reasonable than "the Scarf theory". Actually anything is more reasonable than paying attention to this absurdity.

 

I'm not well-educated enough to know anything about philosophy beyond the basics of Confucianism, sorry.

 

In all seriousness, I do think it seems like Hinata will have a big role in the movie. Perhaps not bigger than the main three, but still. Kishimoto could write a love triangle with Naruto in the middle if wanted to - it seems quite possible given the emphasis on love in the tagline.

Edited by Nefertieh, 14 October 2014 - 01:02 PM.

[DarkRadeon]

 

I've indicated that don't think sasusaku has a chance of remotely being canon, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

The competition got narrowed down thats all.Also people keep forgetting that they also gave NS a tease in that promo and keep relying on this tweet which just says Naruto has a scarf,Hinata is looking sideways and the last is the first love.