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[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@Awes9You're a lot better than me to argue with them. I have in the past read some of their arguments and facepalm....HARD.
Oh that's right, I have read how they're like brother and sister LOLS--- okay whatever gets them through the manga.

I debate with NH fans frequently, especially on YT. I rarely ever lose my cool with them unless they try and put down Sakura, or use the "Naruto would be heartless if he rejected Hinata" one, usually because I feel like two of my favorite characters are being slandered. I don't usually seek out debates with NH fans, they find me. Like earlier I was just discussing with a NS fan on a Hinata video about how NaruHina can't be a threat because Naruto still shows only platonic feelings for her and that earned me 4 NH fans desperate to prove me wrong. It was very quick too, within two hours of leaving the comment. I was saying Naruto loves Sakura still and Hinata changed nothing. The first response I got was: "You must've not caught up with the manga, things are taking a 180." "Are we even reading the same manga?" and my personal favorite "Says the fan from 2008, catch up with the rest of the fandom in 2013."

Of course I explain why I think the way I do, even though I know they'll never change their minds. I don't back down from them right away until it reaches the point where it drags on too long. I love debating usually, if the NH fans aren't 100% disrespectful. I remember coming across one nice NH fan who said I had a point about the hand-holding, but then said NS probably wouldn't happen because Naruto said she loved Sasuke, not him. I responded to it, she didn't respond back. I always feel bad debating with the nice NH fans because I don't want to crush their hope for NH with NS's more solid support. I know I wouldn't like it if I was a NH fan, I believe they should keep believing. So yes, I really am that nice and confident. XD

at that comment about shipping NS because of fillers. Says the fans of the couple that mostly has fillers inhabiting all of their AMVs?

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 24 February 2013 - 04:25 AM.

[luffyq1]

I debate with NH fans frequently, especially on YT. I rarely ever lose my cool with them unless they try and put down Sakura, or use the "Naruto would be heartless if he rejected Hinata" one, usually because I feel like two of my favorite characters are being slandered. I don't usually seek out debates with NH fans, they find me. Like earlier I was just discussing with a NS fan on a Hinata video.

You're in their territory, Romance. Majority of Hinata fans are NH fans, it's the package deal that comes with being a Hinata fan. They're gonna come at you like you're the last piece of meat on earth.

Edited by luffyq1, 24 February 2013 - 05:22 AM.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

Hey whats up guys , im a new member there and just want to say hello to everyone first.
Im pretty sure this question as already been ask but im to lazzy to read all of those pages , im sorry guys

I was wondering, where does Sakura go ? We didint see here since chapter 615 , and actually it was juste a pannel when she had a wtf face during , and i dont like to admit it, one of the biggest NaruHina moment of the serie. I know last chapters where about sasuke and the previous hokage , but the thing annoying me is the fact that we not see's here in chapter 617 , even with the big pannel showing the alliance... i mean , Shino there ? Tenten ? i dont remember but even Akamura i think and no Sakura

I read a theory that says that she maybe went to the kages , but Wtf Even if I think it would be a good scene , Tsunade dying , and with the help of Sakura sacrifice she's life and rescu the others kages ( dont want gaara to die comon kishi ). But just before dying she would say something like `` hmm , you know Sakura, i have some regrets in life, one of them is the fact that i did not let come my real feelings ( thinking of Jiraya ) because i cannot move on from my tragic past. When i finally accept that my feelings has change, from Dan to Jiraya, it was to late. But you Sakura, you still have time. I sense it the first time i see Naruto interact with you. He really likes you , and you know that i am an horrible gambler , but this time i have no doubt , i bet you love him too.``
Would be nice , No ?

But Seriously what do you guys think she is doing , Does Kishi forgot about her or he is plaining something important ? I dont know and im excited to see

Also do you think that she will get a power up at she's birthday like Hinta ? its in end of mars i think.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

You're in their territory, Romance. Majority of Hinata fans are NH fans, it's the package deal that comes with being a Hinata fan. They're gonna come at you like you're the last piece of meat on earth.

I realized that when 5 NH fans ambushed me with their opinions, all at once. They're really touchy, I guess.

It was really strange. I watched the upload of Hinata calling Sakura flat-chested in RtN to get a good laugh and then I saw Sakura hate comments. Then I saw Pro Sakura fans trying to defend her and then it escalated to the annoying Sakura vs. Hinata arguments the fandom often does. I was annoyed by the exaggeration they were putting on her, calling Sakura a b*tch and that she was only nice to Lee and Hinata, never considers Naruto's feelings at all. So I jumped into the fray and called them out on the Hinata glorfication. Somewhere along the way it transitioned into a NH vs. NS debate. Then a NH fan sent me a personal message about the big 3 pairings after several painstaking days of debating with her. Haven't looked at it yet. Still in the "Wtf, why I should I read this?" stage.

It actually shocks me how quickly Hinata vs. Sakura turns into NaruSaku vs. NaruHina. It's like it all melts together or something.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 24 February 2013 - 06:07 AM.

[catsi563]

Narutos method of transfering chakra to Sakura?

kiss to the forehead.

[luffyq1]

I realized that when 5 NH fans ambushed me with their opinions, all at once. They're really touchy, I guess.

It was really strange. I watched the upload of Hinata calling Sakura flat-chested in RtN to get a good laugh and then I saw Sakura hate comments. Then I saw Pro Sakura fans trying to defend her and then it escalated to the annoying Sakura vs. Hinata arguments the fandom often does. I was annoyed by the exaggeration they were putting on her, calling Sakura a b*tch and that she was only nice to Lee and Hinata, never considers Naruto's feelings at all. So I jumped into the fray and called them out on the Hinata glorfication. Somewhere along the way it transitioned into a NH vs. NS debate. Then a NH fan sent me a personal message about the big 3 pairings after several painstaking days of debating with her. Haven't looked at it yet. Still in the "Wtf, why I should I read this?" stage.

It actually shocks me how quickly Hinata vs. Sakura turns into NaruSaku vs. NaruHina. It's like it all melts together or something.

It truly is sad. I went to the video and saw the annotation on that video that directs the viewers to watch Sakura getting hit by the Kyuubi. If four yours ago I was as passionate of a fan of Sakura that I am now, I would be shocked to see the hateful comments and rage for hours. But I've gotten so used to her getting hated on by Hinata/NH fans that I'm just used to it by now, which is sad. The core reason they are so hateful of Sakura is because she stands in the way of their perfect Otp. This is one of the reasons why I really can't wait for Sakura to have her shining moment just so I can at least have some piece of mind, because I hate feeling used to Sakura getting hated on. I'm wishing it'll be a power up like the great theories are suggesting.

You shouldn't waste your time reading that private massage from that NH fan. It'll most likely be the same boring argument you've read a billion times.

[Saku-chan]

Narutos method of transfering chakra to Sakura?

kiss to the forehead.

Oh my goodness YES.

Too bad Kishimoto isn't as troll-y as Mashima. That would be so awesome yet funny at the same time.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

It truly is sad. I went to the video and saw the annotation on that video that directs the viewers to watch Sakura getting hit by the Kyuubi. If four yours ago I was as passionate of a fan of Sakura that I am now, I would be shocked to see the hateful comments and rage for hours. But I've gotten so used to her getting hated on by Hinata/NH fans that I'm just used to it by now, which is sad. The core reason they are so hateful of Sakura is because she stands in the way of their perfect Otp. This is one of the reasons why I really can't wait for Sakura to have her shining moment just so I can at least have some piece of mind, because I hate feeling used to Sakura getting hated on. I'm wishing it'll be a power up like the great theories are suggesting.

You shouldn't waste your time reading that private massage from that NH fan. It'll most likely be the same boring argument you've read a billion times.

I'm not used to the Sakura hate, I get tired of seeing it everyday. It's so unfair to her, they don't even see what a kind-hearted, courageous, and strong character she actually is. You can't even watch the Sakura vs. Sasori fight on YT without seeing "The only time Sakura's ever useful." comments or "Sakura should die." Then I find Hinata comments like "She's much stronger than Sakura emotionally". Why can't the fandom stop comparing her to Hinata while putting Sakura down or degrade her? Why do they always put down Sakura? I don't even like putting down Hinata to make Sakura look better, I just feel like I'm forced to because all the Hinata/NH fans do it to us first. They make us Sakura fans defensive.

As Kishimoto said: "Everyone says 'Hinata'! 'Hinata'! I say Sakura's not Hinata."

If there's anything I learned from fandoms is that is so utterly stupid to hate a character if they a). Are a threat to your OTP or b). Chose someone else over the person you wanted them to be with (I'm referring to some NH fans who write Naruto off as a jerk if he doesn't love Hinata. That annoys me almost as much as the Sakura hate. If any fan of any couple does that, it's stupid).

My hope for a shining moment is RtN at this point. It seems sooner than whatever she does in the manga, unfortunately. I want to hope Sakura gets cut some slack when the movie gets subbed but I can already see Sakura haters calling her useless for being a damsel in distress again.

[Branden]

I realized that when 5 NH fans ambushed me with their opinions, all at once. They're really touchy, I guess.

It was really strange. I watched the upload of Hinata calling Sakura flat-chested in RtN to get a good laugh and then I saw Sakura hate comments. Then I saw Pro Sakura fans trying to defend her and then it escalated to the annoying Sakura vs. Hinata arguments the fandom often does. I was annoyed by the exaggeration they were putting on her, calling Sakura a b*tch and that she was only nice to Lee and Hinata, never considers Naruto's feelings at all. So I jumped into the fray and called them out on the Hinata glorfication. Somewhere along the way it transitioned into a NH vs. NS debate. Then a NH fan sent me a personal message about the big 3 pairings after several painstaking days of debating with her. Haven't looked at it yet. Still in the "Wtf, why I should I read this?" stage.

It actually shocks me how quickly Hinata vs. Sakura turns into NaruSaku vs. NaruHina. It's like it all melts together or something.

Thats exactly what it is.

People dont like NaruSaku because they hate Sakura. People Like NaruHina because they like Hinata.


It's as simple as that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It truly is sad. I went to the video and saw the annotation on that video that directs the viewers to watch Sakura getting hit by the Kyuubi. If four yours ago I was as passionate of a fan of Sakura that I am now, I would be shocked to see the hateful comments and rage for hours. But I've gotten so used to her getting hated on by Hinata/NH fans that I'm just used to it by now, which is sad. The core reason they are so hateful of Sakura is because she stands in the way of their perfect Otp. This is one of the reasons why I really can't wait for Sakura to have her shining moment just so I can at least have some piece of mind, because I hate feeling used to Sakura getting hated on. I'm wishing it'll be a power up like the great theories are suggesting.

You shouldn't waste your time reading that private massage from that NH fan. It'll most likely be the same boring argument you've read a billion times.

The last one was 2 months ago, i stopped shipping debates because i always win with my fakes.
I always start trolling, saying that Hinata does not love Naruto and she's a b*tch they always fell for it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 February 2013 - 11:07 AM.

[lupina]

Narutos method of transfering chakra to Sakura?

kiss to the forehead.

Epic Win.

[Midoriko]

I debate with NH fans frequently, especially on YT. I rarely ever lose my cool with them unless they try and put down Sakura, or use the "Naruto would be heartless if he rejected Hinata" one, usually because I feel like two of my favorite characters are being slandered. I don't usually seek out debates with NH fans, they find me. Like earlier I was just discussing with a NS fan on a Hinata video about how NaruHina can't be a threat because Naruto still shows only platonic feelings for her and that earned me 4 NH fans desperate to prove me wrong. It was very quick too, within two hours of leaving the comment. I was saying Naruto loves Sakura still and Hinata changed nothing. The first response I got was: "You must've not caught up with the manga, things are taking a 180." "Are we even reading the same manga?" and my personal favorite "Says the fan from 2008, catch up with the rest of the fandom in 2013."
Of course I explain why I think the way I do, even though I know they'll never change their minds. I don't back down from them right away until it reaches the point where it drags on too long. I love debating usually, if the NH fans aren't 100% disrespectful. I remember coming across one nice NH fan who said I had a point about the hand-holding, but then said NS probably wouldn't happen because Naruto said she loved Sasuke, not him. I responded to it, she didn't respond back. I always feel bad debating with the nice NH fans because I don't want to crush their hope for NH with NS's more solid support. I know I wouldn't like it if I was a NH fan, I believe they should keep believing. So yes, I really am that nice and confident. XD

at that comment about shipping NS because of fillers. Says the fans of the couple that mostly has fillers inhabiting all of their AMVs?

I avoid NH and SS like the plaque. Especially when I read many of the shipping manifesto on LJ and some comments on Deviant art and that was years ago.
Kudos that you went on their NHYT and debated. Wow, I can't bring myself to watch videos like that It's no wonder they argue in desperate mode since their fandom is based on a blood vow premise and denial, denial and continuous denying the main character's objection of affection. I'm sure when Sai made that comment about Naruto being in love with Sakura the denial reached over 9000 without researching it.
I can understand being uncomfortable arguing with someone nice from an opposing fan base. But I must say it is commendable to go there and be patient enough to debate from the beginning with a group that will feverishly defend their pairing.

You're in their territory, Romance. Majority of Hinata fans are NH fans, it's the package deal that comes with being a Hinata fan. They're gonna come at you like you're the last piece of meat on earth.

I agree

[Tokura Misaki]

Most NH fans especially on NF and YT are in denial, of course. It is better to lurk them than to debate them.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Another good anti-NH argument would be this:

Lets say that hypotheticly NH happens and they have kids etc.
What if one of those kids decides to ask how they fell in love.
I think this is kinda how the conversation will go:

Hinata: Then I kinda stalked him for most of our childhoods
Naruto: And I was in love with Sakura and hardly noticed your mother
Hinata: But then i commited suicide to tell him how i feel.
Naruto: But I still loved Sakura
Hinata: But then Sakura lied to your father and hurt his feelings
Naruto: But I forgave her
Hinata: But then my cousin Neji died for me and we held hands with your father
Naruto: Because I was giving her chakra
Hinata: And afther the war we got married
The kid: [option 1] Dad why did you start loving mom?
[option 2] Dad why did you give up on Sakura if you ve never given up on anything in your life?
[option 3]Dad why cant you see that aunt Sakura has a thing for you?
Naruto: ...........the NH fans made me do it
Hinata: Naruto stop breaking the fourth wall.
Naruto:(leaves)
Hinata: Where are you going?
Naruto: To Sakuras place.


I kinda got carried away in the end but you see my point right? It be damm akward to explain to the kids.

¸
I have a follow up argument to this.

Just imagine what the kid would actually be like:
Blond or black haired, white eyes, either insecure or a loud mouth. And then one day he would have to take dating advice from his mother ("Try to make as little contact as possible, then when you talk to him/her make sure to hide behind an object of some sorts")

Again not a problem with NS.

[Musicmanoful]

¸
I have a follow up argument to this.

Just imagine what the kid would actually be like:
Blond or black haired, white eyes, either insecure or a loud mouth. And then one day he would have to take dating advice from his mother ("Try to make as little contact as possible, then when you talk to him/her make sure to hide behind an object of some sorts")

Again not a problem with NS.

Hahaha
I honestly can't picture the two of them having kids. It just seems so weird to have a blond kid with white eyes. To me, that's kind of creepy. Not to mention if the kid is shy (contradicts naruto) or a loud-mouth (contradicts Hinata and the Hyuga clan overall).

I like the narusaku kid, a blond haired girl with green eyes. She has the personality of Naruto but the caring and short tempered nature of Sakura.

[Sojobo]

Most NaruHina fans will probably hate Naruto when he'll will confirm again his feelings for Sakura.
Me too I saw a lot of them talking about how Naruto would be a jerk after what Hinata did for him.

To me, Hinata was always been a tool added for suspense in the love story of the manga.

[AzureWaters]

I can't really say NaruHina fans are in denial. There's a real chance for their pairing to happen still.

Those that are getting ahead of themselves by saying its canon now are a different story of course. However NH is not as unlikely as it once was, I have to give them that.

[Midoriko]

I enjoyed that whole dialog from StrikertheNoble

I can't really say NaruHina fans are in denial. There's a real chance for their pairing to happen still.

Those that are getting ahead of themselves by saying its canon now are a different story of course. However NH is not as unlikely as it once was, I have to give them that.

Based on what exactly?

Edited by Midoriko, 24 February 2013 - 04:09 PM.

[Sojobo]

I can't really say NaruHina fans are in denial. There's a real chance for their pairing to happen still.

That NH may happen in the end doesn't mean that they where right to begin with.
It's like saying as a NS that Sakura never loved Sasuke, or didn't care about him, and that NS happening will confirm that.
For most NH fans, Naruto's love for Sakura isn't love, but just some brother/sister love.
And if NH happen, they will say that they were right about the whole thing.
But it's not...

Those that are getting ahead of themselves by saying its canon now are a different story of course. However NH is not as unlikely as it once was, I have to give them that.

NH may have better chances to happen today if you just pay attention on the chapter of Neji's death, but to me, it's the contrary. It has no chances anymore when Hinata said for the first time she will stop chasing after him AFTER THE WAR.

Edited by Sojobo, 24 February 2013 - 04:19 PM.

[HauntedCake]

NH may have better chances to happen today if you just pay attention on the chapter of Neji's death, but to me, it's the contrary. It has no chances anymore when Hinata said for the first time she will stop chasing after him AFTER THE WAR.

No, i'm going to completely disagree with you. If you read the next page after that then you will learn the true meaning of what she meant by "not chasing him".

Ans for Sakura's speach when she says "we will be together", i've said this before and it's been discussed before but i don't think that has any romantic implications due to the next 2 panels says "not just me", "we are all going to fight together this time!"

As much as i hate to admit it, Hinata was thinking solely about Naruto romantically whilst Sakura was thinking about Naruto having to save the world on his own ( and her being with him was her saying she will support him in the fight to come, not romantically) Even Kiba says to Naruto "You don't need to act tough around Hinata" he could of said anything else but he says that. If NH has no chance to be canon why bother putting that in?

Sad to say it but i think Kishi might be giving in to NH fanbase. What could possibly explain all of this time Hinata is getting? some of you guys have said character development before she is sidelined for sasuke vs naruto arc which is a good point. Hinata is getting a filler episode on Sakuras birthday no less? hmmm

>>>AT THE MOMENT!<<< NH is more likely to be canon (This is completely up for change) until Sasuke vs Naruto arc comes. I am well aware that Naruto has never had any romantic feelings for Hinata but i would not be suprised if he did develop some in the coming chapters due to the direction Kishi seems to have been going recently with 614+

Overall i think Kishi is f***ing around with all of us when it comes to NH vs NS vs SS. He has NH in the manga and NS in films/anime. But the question is: Is it better to have NS in the films rather then in the manga? otherwise the films just seem to be fanservice to us.

Edited by HauntedCake, 24 February 2013 - 04:58 PM.