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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Now that Hinata can't be a parallel to Kushina because she already is with Sakura , Hinatards are saying that she is a parallel with Minato using those pictures 

 

All filler :)

 

Just pick up Jiraiya's panel him saying Naruto is like Minato.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 November 2013 - 08:23 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Gotta love use of fillers. But seriously, wrong ideas and yes, no more use of others. I don't get it though. If parallels don't exist, then why keep brining it up. I sense a meltdown with ObiRin. That is if it does happen. I got chills thinking of the possibility.

[KnS]

That's my concern too, that Kishimoto sees to it that NaruSaku is executed well. At this point, I see no reason worrying whether it will be canon, because it's obvious where it's going to go, or at least it should be, but if the execution is screwed up it will ruin the pairing's credibility. 

 

The problem with such subjective expectation is that there is no way Kishimoto can satisfy all the fans and followers of his story.  Even if he were to write the best, deepest, most spectacularly romantic and exciting resolution to NS there will be a very large camp of his readers who will say the "execution is screwed up" because the result was not NH.  Or SS. Or insert other pairing complaint here.

 

The reality is that Kishimoto (and his editor) can do whatever he wants.  It is his story, and in truth whatever he does -- however it is executed -- is technically "right" because the characters and story are his creations to control.  Sometimes it doesn't work out the way we fans might prefer, but it doesn't change the facts.  We all say we understand this, but we can't seem to stop ourselves from feeling he's responsible for delivering something that's up to our individual standards.

 

For good or bad, it's extremely likely that Kishimoto has had the ending in his mind for a very long time.  He probably knows exactly how it will work out on the page when the time comes.  I mean, think about it -- it is essentially the culmination of his life's work so far.  Whatever we end up seeing on the page is his long-considered vision of how it supposed to be.

 

I'm not picking on anyone here, believe me; I am not immune to holding the same kind of expectations. It's just that... we are very likely to "win" the pairing war, and it would be unfortunate if we detracted from the success of our pairing by complaining about how it was achieved.

Edited by KnS, 12 November 2013 - 08:40 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

That's my concern too, that Kishimoto sees to it that NaruSaku is executed well. At this point, I see no reason worrying whether it will be canon, because it's obvious where it's going to go, or at least it should be, but if the execution is screwed up it will ruin the pairing's credibility. I'm hoping Sakura will come to a conclusion regarding her feelings for Sasuke before moving forward with Naruto and I think Naruto will be the one to confess, and I feel the groundwork for that has been laid out.
 
I think Kishi has done a pretty good job so far, showing that Sakura is gradually moving on from Sasuke and giving hints that she knows on some level that she doesn't feel for him the way she used to, while simultaneously showing her continued faith in Naruto and that he is still her primary concern even with Sasuke present. I don't feel Kishimoto has given me too much cause to worry with his handling of NaruSaku yet, and in my opinion, it's all been pretty solid so far even with so many chapters where they have been apart, but I think what happens after this battle is over will be the most telling on what to expect for NaruSaku. Just my opinion, of course.

I don't think we have to worry on how Mr Kishi executes NaruSaku cause no matter what he always do their moments well.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Name the stuff that will screw the credibility NaruSaku confirmation.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

 

The problem with such subjective expectation is that there is no way Kishimoto can satisfy all the fans and followers of his story.  Even if he were to write the best, deepest, most spectacularly romantic and exciting resolution to NS there will a very large camp of his readers who will say the "execution is screwed up" because the result was not NH.  Or SS. Or insert other pairing complaint here.

 

The reality is that Kishimoto (and his editor) can do whatever he wants.  It is his story, and in truth whatever he does -- however it is executed -- is technically "right" because the characters and story are his creations to control.  Sometimes it doesn't work out the way we fans might prefer, but it doesn't change the facts.  We all say we understand this, but we can't see to stop ourselves from feeling he's responsible for delivering something that's up to our individual standards.

 

For good or bad, it's extremely likely that Kishimoto has had the ending in his mind for a very long time.  He probably knows exactly how it will work out on the page when the time comes.  I mean, think about it -- it is essentially the culmination of his life's work so far.  Whatever we end up seeing on the page is his long-considered vision for how it supposed to be.

 

I'm not picking on anyone here, believe me; I am not immune to holding the same kind of expectations. It's just that... we are very likely to "win" the pairing wars, and it would be unfortunate if we detracted from the success of our pairing by complaining about how it was achieved.

 

 

I understand all that, and I agree, I did not mean to suggest that Kishi has any sort of obligation to me in meeting my personal expectations, or to any of his readers for that matter. And as I said, I feel he has done a good job with the pairing, regardless of the complaints or criticism of others and obviously, he can't hope to please everyone nor should he try to because fandom and individual expectation is fickle and highly subjective. It's just not possible to write something that everyone will agree on and be happy with. The concern I was expressing, that I guess I should have taken more care to explain, is that I hope Kishimoto's execution is coherent with everything he's set up. That's all. I do think he can do it just fine and probably does already have it at least mostly planned out, but that doesn't mean I don't have concerns about it now and then.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 12 November 2013 - 09:59 PM.

[sushi.]

Gotta love use of fillers. But seriously, wrong ideas and yes, no more use of others. I don't get it though. If parallels don't exist, then why keep brining it up. I sense a meltdown with ObiRin. That is if it does happen. I got chills thinking of the possibility.

It's not that big of a mystery. It's just that "NS misunderstands/misuses parallel", "looks for parallels in every corner, also where it's not", and so on..blahbla..

 

The person behind that image might be a hypocrite for all we know, but it's pretty obvious not all NH fans thinks the parallels are non-existent. Maybe it's the word 'parallulz' that made that impression? The usual sounds more like the examples above, and "all NS parallels ended in tragedy". I guess Hinata is a safer road..sounds ridiculous, right? I think everyone took their words back on that one. But I wouldn't judge it on one individual. Some have stood by their word.

[Hiraishin]

Inst the same thing?

 
No.
 

If he believes that Sakura only loves Sasuke and is only happy with him on which his flashbacks and his words suggests wont he make a confession to take of his feelings off his chest just like Hinata.

Like I said, one of Obito's biggest regrets is not being able to tell Rin how he feels, and since Obito is a parallel to Naruto and there's the theme of 'present generation surpassing the last'...

In fact if Hinata knew that Naruto loves Sakura would she make her confession?

Probably. I mean, she thought she was going to die. It would have made no difference.
 

Actually it's a obvious statement, if Naruto is sure that Sakura loves Sasuke, there's no logic on him making a confession to win her over rather than just declaring his love and that's it, the dangerous part is that Sakura will accept Naruto's confession even if she has feelings for Sasuke that's why i believe like you said the ball is on Sakura's court.
I dont see any purpose on a confession from Naruto, because Sakura already knows that Naruto loves her but she doenst know why, on which he can say this "why" without confessing to her and if he confesses we had the problem i stated above.

 
But we don't know how Kishi will go about Naruto confessing (if he does, which I believe he should/will). For all we know, by the time Naruto confesses Sakura could completely and truly love Naruto, and realise it. 
 
And, if Sakura hasn't realised she loves Naruto when he confesses (which would be sillyNaruto's confession is the one that will be requited), then she won't accept the confession because she's not going to lie to Naruto like that. And if Naruto knows that she's not being true to him/herself, he won't let her accept it.
 

If Naruto was completely sure that Sakura loves him, i would actually believe on the confession because it would be the too obvious it would be canon with it but if we still have a Naruto who believes she loves Sasuke, i cant actually believe it, Naruto confessing and Naruto becoming canon with it would be bad writing because he would resolve NS obstacles off-panel which would suck.

 
I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the rest of the quote, but @ the bolded: Why? As I've already stated, we don't know the terms on which Naruto will confess.  
 

The facts are.
Naruto still thinks Sakura only loves Sasuke and is happy with him because -> We never see a conclusion about the summit from his part, the last part he thought about Sakura romantically wise were those SS panels with Sakura smiling.
So in fact he still believes that until kishi at least show it has changed but there's nothing that implies it.

 
I thought the last time he thought about Sakura romantically (and I don't mean in a flashback) was 631? And I do think there's a chance that the girlfriend comment from Naruto implies that the relationship between Naruto and Sakura is more than platonic, but you're free to think otherwise. If anything, I don't think Naruto was joking (cause come on, lying about something like that to his dead father, to poke fun at Sakura? that's not something Naruto would do), but that the comment was a catalyst for the Sakura/Kushina parallel confirmation.
 

In all respect, i never see Naruto doubting about his feelings for once.
I never see Naruto thinking about his feelings for Sakura at least in some form to give development, even when Kishi doesnt show Naruto loving Sakura like on Pain's arc he still made a relations chart with "Suki" towards Sakura.

 
I agree.
 

Naruto's feelings for Sakura are the same from chapter 3.
It's always Sakura who's at least thinking about her feelings, getting development like "The guy you love must be a great guy, making a confession, taking decisions because of love".
But it was Kushina wasnt it? Minato did that comment with no romantic undertones he just complimented her hair and it was all up to Kushina who thought about her life and stuff and that she was wrong about herself and about Minato.

 
No romantic undertones? Of course it has some, especially the way he was holding her. 
 

IMO just to say i believe Sakura doesnt love Naruto(romantically wise) on the same way as Sasuke, i can sense that there's something really impactfull for that to happen.
It's lacking a moment where she does actually fall in love with Naruto, being slowly loving Naruto and at the same time showing that she loves Sasuke, it doenst help, only if it's to put the pairing on a status quo, and the fact that she chose to return Naruto's feelings despite loving another guy makes it look bad rather than positive.

I don't think there's going to be a moment where Sakura falls in love with Naruto. An impactful moment where she realises the one she truly loves is Naruto? Sure, but if there was going to be one moment where Sakura actually falls in love with Naruto and falls out of love with Sasuke, then I don't see the point in all the development of this relationship and Sakura's feelings for Naruto throughout the series if he can have just that one scene.
 
 

http://www.jumpfesta...tage/index.html
 
As usual, Kishimoto will be present in the Jump Fest of this year. And with him there will be all team 7's seiyuus as well. The event will take place on 21th December (02:40PM-03:20PM, local time). Hopefully that it will say something interesting even though I don't have much faith since these kinda events give often some useless wasting-time sketches from  the manga...

Cool. Yeah, I'm hoping he'll say something interesting but I'm not expecting anything. Hopefully he'll say at least a little about Sakura...

[Kakashi-Sensei]

I might be wrong , but i think that the only picture that is a filler is when Hinata have an umbrella ! Well all the '' She always watching him'' part

[sushi.]

I might be wrong , but i think that the only picture that is a filler is when Hinata have an umbrella ! Well all the '' She always watching him'' part

lol no. Almost the entire confession scene is filler. It got a few pages in the manga. Minato following Kushina is also filler.

Edited by sushi., 12 November 2013 - 11:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 
No.
 
Like I said, one of Obito's biggest regrets is not being able to tell Rin how he feels, and since Obito is a parallel to Naruto and there's the theme of 'present generation surpassing the last'...
Probably. I mean, she thought she was going to die. It would have made no difference.
 
 
But we don't know how Kishi will go about Naruto confessing (if he does, which I believe he should/will). For all we know, by the time Naruto confesses Sakura could completely and truly love Naruto, and realise it. 
 
And, if Sakura hasn't realised she loves Naruto when he confesses (which would be sillyNaruto's confession is the one that will be requited), then she won't accept the confession because she's not going to lie to Naruto like that. And if Naruto knows that she's not being true to him/herself, he won't let her accept it.
 
 
I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the rest of the quote, but @ the bolded: Why? As I've already stated, we don't know the terms on which Naruto will confess.  
 
 
I thought the last time he thought about Sakura romantically (and I don't mean in a flashback) was 631? And I do think there's a chance that the girlfriend comment from Naruto implies that the relationship between Naruto and Sakura is more than platonic, but you're free to think otherwise. If anything, I don't think Naruto was joking (cause come on, lying about something like that to his dead father, to poke fun at Sakura? that's not something Naruto would do), but that the comment was a catalyst for the Sakura/Kushina parallel confirmation.
 
 
I agree.
 
 
No romantic undertones? Of course it has some, especially the way he was holding her. 
 
I don't think there's going to be a moment where Sakura falls in love with Naruto. An impactful moment where she realises the one she truly loves is Naruto? Sure, but if there was going to be one moment where Sakura actually falls in love with Naruto and falls out of love with Sasuke, then I don't see the point in all the development of this relationship and Sakura's feelings for Naruto throughout the series if he can have just that one scene.
 
 
Cool. Yeah, I'm hoping he'll say something interesting but I'm not expecting anything. Hopefully he'll say at least a little about Sakura...

Yes it was one of his biggest regrets but it was tied to Rin's feelings, he had a lot of chances to confess to Rin and Naruto too, but we know that the fact that they know that those girls loved another guys was also one of the reasons why they were holding back.

And being honest, the fact that he still believed tht she loves Kakashi even after death hold him back, and it hold Naruto back on part 1 too.

 

She lied on the confession and both Naruto and Sakura lie to each other in order to protect them, Sakura lied on the summit about loving Naruto, she already took the decision to return his feelings what lies is her returning Naruto's feelings because she loves him not because he loves her and she wants him to be happy.

And once again, your previous post actually let it pass out that even if Sakura truly loves Naruto he would still not believe it, he would even reject her if she accepts his confession, Naruto doesnt know if she loves him or not, he only stated on the summit that there was something weird because she suddenly pull out that she loves him when he knows that she loves Sasuke, so in fact even if hypothetically she was being truly honest Naruto would still reject her.
This whole situation is too complex for Naruto that i personally doesnt believe on his confession without Sakura adressing her feelings for him and the audience.

 

Minato was joking too afterwards even in a damn middle of a war, but anyways that's not the point, i think that the scene was meant to say that Sakura was the girl that he loves, there's an huge problem with Naruto saying that they are more or less a girlfriend when he firmly believes she loves Sasuke which is implied on the summit.
There were no flashbacks linked to that scene or whatever, he could've just joked around since the question was for Sakura, he could've either (Joked around, didnt wanted to hear her answer[i mean kishi is hiding Sakura's feelings so to prevent her saying something about Naruto romantically wise he made Naruto to interrupt her, being serious(Problems with the last arc)]

There's the three interpretations i got.

 

I stick mostly with the second, that Naruto answered it to not hear about what Sakura has to say, and also prevent the readers from knowing what Sakura feels about her relationship with Naruto, Kishi simply used that moment to state that Naruto still loves Sakura, and also bring Kushina's words.

 

The whole "Sakura will realize her true feelings for Naruto", ahem on the Summit she did thought about her feelings for Naruto and still wasnt in love with him, the reasons she pointed out after that it's kinda obvious that is missing something out there, which relates to Tsunade and Kushina, the part where she relates to Rin she already got (Naruto's feelings and Great guy thing).

She still lacks self confidence and her insecurity still stands, Sakura moving out from Sasuke doesnt mean that she will automatically love Naruto by acknowledging something that she already acknowledges that it's not love(of romance nature).

 

The scene was romantic, but Minato didnt said that to with romantic undertones he didnt even confessed his feelings either, he just complimented her hair, and nothing else.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 November 2013 - 01:29 AM.

[awesome sauce dude]

Lol idk why but whenever I see kushina I think its erza from fairy tail

[Hiraishin]

Yes it was one of his biggest regrets but it was tied to Rin's feelings, he had a lot of chances to confess to Rin and Naruto too, but we know that the fact that they know that those girls loved another guys was also one of the reasons why they were holding back.

Yes, Obito had many chances to confess to Rin, but the fact that she loved Kakashi held him back. But, AGAIN, in the end what he wanted but never did was tell Rin how he felt about her, not for her to return his feelings.
And yeah, Naruto didn't confess to Sakura in part one but he was trying to win her over. And in part two he hid his feelings.
 

And being honest, the fact that he still believed tht she loves Kakashi even after death hold him back, and it hold Naruto back on part 1 too.

After Rin died, Obito believed she still loved Kakashi, which held him back. Did I get that right?
Um, I'm not sure, but I think the fact that she was dead held him back.   
About Naruto, read what I said above.
 

She lied on the confession and both Naruto and Sakura lie to each other in order to protect them, Sakura lied on the summit about loving Naruto, she already took the decision to return his feelings what lies is her returning Naruto's feelings because she loves him not because he loves her and she wants him to be happy.
And once again, your previous post actually let it pass out that even if Sakura truly loves Naruto he would still not believe it, he would even reject her if she accepts his confession, Naruto doesnt know if she loves him or not, he only stated on the summit that there was something weird because she suddenly pull out that she loves him when he knows that she loves Sasuke, so in fact even if hypothetically she was being truly honest Naruto would still reject her.
This whole situation is too complex for Naruto that i personally doesnt believe on his confession without Sakura adressing her feelings for him and the audience.

Wait, before you said that Naruto believes Sakura loves Sasuke and Sasuke only. Now he doesn't know if she loves him [Naruto] or not? Which is it?
And no, if Naruto truly believed that Sakura truly loved him back, he wouldn't reject her. Why the hell would he? If that were the case, NS would never become canon.
 

Minato was joking too afterwards even in a damn middle of a war,

That's different. What (some readers believe) Naruto was 'joking' about were his feelings.
 

but anyways that's not the point, i think that the scene was meant to say that Sakura was the girl that he loves, there's an huge problem with Naruto saying that they are more or less a girlfriend when he firmly believes she loves Sasuke which is implied on the summit.

You contradicted yourself again...
 

There were no flashbacks linked to that scene or whatever, he could've just joked around since the question was for Sakura, he could've either (Joked around, didnt wanted to hear her answer[i mean kishi is hiding Sakura's feelings so to prevent her saying something about Naruto romantically wise he made Naruto to interrupt her, being serious(Problems with the last arc)]
There's the three interpretations i got.

I stick mostly with the second, that Naruto answered it to not hear about what Sakura has to say, and also prevent the readers from knowing what Sakura feels about her relationship with Naruto, Kishi simply used that moment to state that Naruto still loves Sakura, and also bring Kushina's words.

Yeah, I agree that this scene is yet another example of cutting off right before we get to hear something about Sakura's feelings, as the question was directed at her, not Naruto. Kishi loves this.
I also agree that one of the things he intended with this scene was to show once again that Naruto still loves Sakura.
 

The whole "Sakura will realize her true feelings for Naruto", ahem on the Summit she did thought about her feelings for Naruto and still wasnt in love with him, the reasons she pointed out after that it's kinda obvious that is missing something out there, which relates to Tsunade and Kushina, the part where she relates to Rin she already got (Naruto's feelings and Great guy thing).

Not really, what she was thinking about was Naruto's safety.
 

She still lacks self confidence and her insecurity still stands,

Agreed.
 

Sakura moving out from Sasuke doesnt mean that she will automatically love Naruto

Yes, did I ever say otherwise?
 

by acknowledging something that she already acknowledges that it's not love(of romance nature).

So Sakura's supposed to gain all new feelings for Naruto that never existed before because of one moment? Is that what you're saying?

Edited by Hiraishin, 13 November 2013 - 02:48 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes, Obito had many chances to confess to Rin, but the fact that she loved Kakashi held him back. But, AGAIN, in the end what he wanted but never did was tell Rin how he felt about her, not for her to return his feelings.
And yeah, Naruto didn't confess to Sakura in part one but he was trying to win her over. And in part two he hid his feelings.
 

After Rin died, Obito believed she still loved Kakashi, which held him back. Did I get that right?
Um, I'm not sure, but I think the fact that she was dead held him back.   
About Naruto, read what I said above.
 

Wait, before you said that Naruto believes Sakura loves Sasuke and Sasuke only. Now he doesn't know if she loves him [Naruto] or not? Which is it?
And no, if Naruto truly believed that Sakura truly loved him back, he wouldn't reject her. Why the hell would he? If that were the case, NS would never become canon.
 

That's different. What (some readers believe) Naruto was 'joking' about were his feelings.
 

You contradicted yourself again...
 

Yeah, I agree that this scene is yet another example of cutting off right before we get to hear something about Sakura's feelings, as the question was directed at her, not Naruto. Kishi loves this.
I also agree that one of the things he intended with this scene was to show once again that Naruto still loves Sakura.
 

Not really, what she was thinking about was Naruto's safety.
 

Agreed.
 

Yes, did I ever say otherwise?
 

So Sakura's supposed to gain all new feelings for Naruto that never existed before because of one moment? Is that what you're saying?

Yes he did regreted the fact he could not tell her about his feelings but what hold him back was the fact that he knew that Rin loved Kakashi, and this is the same dilemna Sakura struggles since part 1, kishi later added to promise to make it harder by making Naruto unable to make a confession and also unable to try to woo her.

 

I have no idea where i did?

 

So how she did pulled off all the things he did to her, so in fact she did thought about her feelings for him and the things Naruto has done to her, otherwise she would not make the confession.

 

I dont know what's more absurd, falling in love with Naruto after him changing her views about herself or after falling out of love from Sasuke she suddenly realizes that she truly loves Naruto with any reason.
Sakura already pointed out all the reasons off the world why she was in love with Naruto on the summit but she wasnt, it's kinda obvious that is missing something else which i pointed out on my post.

 

The whole summit thing for me only made Sakura wake up to the fact that Naruto is a better choice for her despite not being in love with him, being honest i could see there connected with 540 that she prefers to return Naruto's feelings despite not loving him than going after Sasuke.

 

We agree on the most of the parts but my point is that there's a lot of inconsistences.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 November 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[Chatte]

http://www.jumpfesta...tage/index.html

 

As usual, Kishimoto will be present in the Jump Fest of this year. And with him there will be all team 7's seiyuus as well. The event will take place on 21th December (02:40PM-03:20PM, local time). Hopefully that it will say something interesting even though I don't have much faith since these kinda events give often some useless wasting-time sketches from  the manga...

Where does it say it?! Sorry I don't know Jap. I pressed a button and showed me Kishi with Naruto's and Sasuke's VA only. No Chie Nakamura in there :(

[六道仙人]

Where does it say it?! Sorry I don't know Jap. I pressed a button and showed me Kishi with Naruto's and Sasuke's VA only. No Chie Nakamura in there :(

 

watch well there...

 

...

 

Didn't you recognize Sakura's name here? Besides yeah, there will be Sakura and Kakashi's seiyuus there. I guess that they just put Naruto and Sasuke's seiyuus just because they're the most popular among them.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

watch well there...

 

...

 

Didn't you recognize Sakura's name here? Besides yeah, there will be Sakura and Kakashi's seiyuus there. I guess that they just put Naruto and Sasuke's seiyuus just because they're the most popular among them.

???
On one piece there's no names there but once you click, it displays all the seiyuus who take part of the straw hat crew.

 

Toriko also has the same thing, it shows 4 seiyuss there but once you click only shows two of them.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 November 2013 - 11:10 AM.

[Chatte]

 

watch well there...

 

...

 

Didn't you recognize Sakura's name here? Besides yeah, there will be Sakura and Kakashi's seiyuus there. I guess that they just put Naruto and Sasuke's seiyuus just because they're the most popular among them.

Oooh, that part! And now that I look better, yeah, Sakura's name is last, right?

[六道仙人]

???
On one piece there's no names there but once you click, it displays all the seiyuus who take part of the straw hat crew.

 

Toriko also has the same thing, it shows 4 seiyuss there but once you click only shows two of them.

 

Don't ask me why they did so, I just said who will be there

 

Oooh, that part! And now that I look better, yeah, Sakura's name is last, right?

yep!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Don't ask me why they did so, I just said who will be there

 

yep!

:) 

I wont be there anyway.