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[MangaReader]

No, because it's about the mood/atmosphere. Here's the thing: the reason why I said one small NS moment can end NH is because 615 has happened and 615 is like the trump card of NH. If NS can play a small yet powerful card that can negate it, then the winner goes to NS. If NS moment happen before 615, then we still need to counter it because NH has the edge. If 615 never happened, then we just have to wait for any NH moment before declaring victory. NH played their trump card with Hinata holding his hand and finally touch him. It took her 615 but she finally got physical touch. 616 hurt it a lot. Sure, the moment is there, but the follow up suggests no romance. Nobody acknowledge it. Sakura hasn't showed up yet so now the ball is on her. 615 is where people claimed game over. One small NS moment can destroy it. Remember, Naruto supposedly changed his feelings, so if he still declare his love for Sakura, just tap out.

It's the same with all NaruHina moments though... they get something then we get something better. The earliest instance of this happening was the Neji fight to the Gaara fight. Naruto vowed to beat Neji (I'll just assume it's a NaruHina moment since they do bring it up every so often) where Naruto fought just to prove a point. While in his fight with Gaara, he risked his life to the point of challenging death to save Sakura. It's just a common cycle we always go through.

Edited by MangaReader, 23 February 2013 - 07:03 PM.

[Slextrem]

You can't really take a moment like 615, switch out Hinata for Sakura, and then ask how our reactions would have been because the relationships between the characters are different. Hinata loves Naruto, so seeing her slap him, give her speech, and then think of how big and strong his hand is really isn't a big deal because we already know what Hinata's feelings for Naruto are. It's just another Hinata ---> Naruto moment, like most of the NaruHina moments have been. However, if we were to stick Sakura in Hinata's place, the moment becomes significantly different.

Sakura isn't confirmed to love Naruto, (though it has been heavily implied), so seeing her slap him, give that speech, and then follow up by thinking about how big and strong his hand is would be a huge deal for NaruSaku because it shows Sakura thinking of Naruto in a romantic way. (Though the "big and strong hand" comment would be OOC for Sakura, but I digress....) As for Naruto, his reaction in 615/616 wouldn't have hurt the moment as much had it been Sakura in Hinata's place because we already know that he loves Sakura. We don't need to see him react in an overly romantic way because we already know how he feels. We need confirmation of Sakura's love for him which, in this hypothetical situation, we would have had with Sakura standing in Hinata's place.

NaruHina, on the other hand, is looking for proof that Naruto loves Hinata, which is why the events in 616 hurts NaruHina more than it would have hurt NaruSaku. Because Naruto has an ulterior motive behind holding hands with Hinata, has absolutely no romantic thoughts while holding her hand, and follows up by holding hands with everyone else, it could be interpreted that there was no romantic intent behind his actions. This is a bad thing for NaruHina because, as I've stated, they're looking for proof of his love for her. You could argue that it would be a bad thing for NaruSaku as well, but the fact still stands that Naruto is already confirmed to love Sakura, which makes 616 less of an issue.

That being said, we don't really know if Naruto would have acted the same way had it been Sakura instead of Hinata. It's already been confirmed that he loves Sakura, so his actions may have been different if he was put in the same situation with her instead of Hinata. For instance, perhaps we would have seen him blush while she holds his cheek or when he goes to hold her hand, like he has done so many times in the past while interacting with Sakura. Perhaps he would have given her a more intimate "Thank you" than he gave in the canon version, considering she's done a lot more for him than Hinata ever has. Perhaps he would have had a more romantically inclined thought regarding the situation as opposed to thinking nothing at all, like he does with Hinata. Or maybe he would have acted the exact same way that he did with Hinata. It's hard to say as all we can do is speculate, but I believe that his love for Sakura could have sparked a deeper/more intimate reaction from Naruto than what we saw in the canon.

Anyway, for these reasons, I don't think it's fair to ask us how we would have reacted had it been Sakura instead of Hinata. The relationships and circumstances between the characters are different, so you need to take all of these factors (and probably more that I didn't think of) into consideration.

Edited by Slextrem, 23 February 2013 - 09:40 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You can't really take a moment like 615, switch out Hinata for Sakura, and then ask how our reactions would have been because the relationships between the characters are different. Hinata loves Naruto, so seeing her slap him, give her speech, and then think of how big and strong his hand is really isn't a big deal because we already know what Hinata's feelings for Naruto are. It's just another Hinata ---> Naruto moment, like most of the NaruHina moments have been. However, if we were to stick Sakura in Hinata's place, the moment becomes significantly different.

Sakura isn't confirmed to love Naruto, (though it has been heavily implied), so seeing her slap him, give that speech, and then follow up by thinking about how big and strong his hand is would be a huge deal for NaruSaku because it shows Sakura thinking of Naruto in a romantic way. (Though the "big and strong hand" comment would be OOC for Sakura, but I digress....) As for Naruto, his reaction in 615/616 wouldn't have hurt the moment as much had it been Sakura in Hinata's place because we already know that he loves Sakura. We don't need to see him react in an overly romantic way because we already know how he feels. We need confirmation of Sakura's love for him which, in this hypothetical situation, we would have had with Sakura standing in Hinata's place.

NaruHina, on the other hand, is looking for proof that Naruto loves Hinata, which is why the events in 616 hurts NaruHina more than it would have hurt NaruSaku. Because Naruto has an ulterior motive behind holding hands with Hinata, has absolutely no romantic thoughts while holding her hand, and follows up by holding hands with everyone else, it could be interpreted that there was no romantic intent behind his actions. This is a bad thing for NaruHina because, as I've stated, they're looking for proof of his love for her. You could argue that it would be a bad thing for NaruSaku as well, but the fact still stands that Naruto is already confirmed to love Sakura, which makes 616 less of an issue.

That being said, we don't really know if Naruto would have acted the same way had it been Sakura instead of Hinata. It's already been confirmed that he loves Sakura, so his actions may have been different if he was put in the same situation with her instead of Hinata. For instance, perhaps we would have seen him blush while she holds his cheek or when he goes to hold her hand, like he has done so many times in the past while interacting with Sakura. Perhaps he would have given her a more intimate "Thank you" than he gave in the canon version, considering she's done a lot more for him than Hinata ever has. Perhaps he would have had a more romantically inclined thought regarding the situation as opposed to thinking nothing at all, like he does with Hinata. Or maybe he would have acted the exact same way that he did with Hinata. It's hard to say as all we can do is speculate, but I believe that his love for Sakura could have sparked a deeper/more intimate reaction from Naruto than what we saw in the canon.

Anyway, for these reasons, I don't think it's fair to ask us how we would have reacted had it been Sakura instead of Hinata. The relationships and circumstances between the characters are different, so you need to take all of these factors (and probably more that I didn't think of) into consideration.

Wow. This.

You made a very valid point about this. My problem is that many suggested that Naruto will move on. Why him? Maybe I would have believed it if there's any indication for Naruto that things aren't working out with him and Sakura alas chapter 540. If there's one like that, then fine, time to rethink. But there's none. Naruto doesn't really consider his relationships as a bad status, including Sasuke. If that doesn't say anything, I don't know what is. The problem for Naruto in NaruSaku situation is not because of Sakura but because of himself. He blames himself for not keeping the promise. Sakura's problem is herself as well because she felt that she did the most damage to Naruto. In NaruSaku, The problem is themselves, rather than other. Like in SasuSaku, the problem for Sakura is that Sasuke is bad, while Sasuke's problem is barely exist because he doesn't see her as a love interest. In NaruHina, the problem for Hinata is that Naruto is the man who never change, while the problem for Naruto is nothing.

You see, general audience assume that Sakura may have developed a stronger feelings for Naruto. It's like Sakura was carving a stone with the word "NaruSaku", only to stop half way and decided to dig out a cracked stone written "SasuSaku". It's only matter of time that Sakura will finish that stone and keep it that way.

[T XD]

You can't really take a moment like 615, switch out Hinata for Sakura, and then ask how our reactions would have been because the relationships between the characters are different. Hinata loves Naruto, so seeing her slap him, give her speech, and then think of how big and strong his hand is really isn't a big deal because we already know what Hinata's feelings for Naruto are. It's just another Hinata ---> Naruto moment, like most of the NaruHina moments have been. However, if we were to stick Sakura in Hinata's place, the moment becomes significantly different.

Sakura isn't confirmed to love Naruto, (though it has been heavily implied), so seeing her slap him, give that speech, and then follow up by thinking about how big and strong his hand is would be a huge deal for NaruSaku because it shows Sakura thinking of Naruto in a romantic way. (Though the "big and strong hand" comment would be OOC for Sakura, but I digress....) As for Naruto, his reaction in 615/616 wouldn't have hurt the moment as much had it been Sakura in Hinata's place because we already know that he loves Sakura. We don't need to see him react in an overly romantic way because we already know how he feels. We need confirmation of Sakura's love for him which, in this hypothetical situation, we would have had with Sakura standing in Hinata's place.

NaruHina, on the other hand, is looking for proof that Naruto loves Hinata, which is why the events in 616 hurts NaruHina more than it would have hurt NaruSaku. Because Naruto has an ulterior motive behind holding hands with Hinata, has absolutely no romantic thoughts while holding her hand, and follows up by holding hands with everyone else, it could be interpreted that there was no romantic intent behind his actions. This is a bad thing for NaruHina because, as I've stated, they're looking for proof of his love for her. You could argue that it would be a bad thing for NaruSaku as well, but the fact still stands that Naruto is already confirmed to love Sakura, which makes 616 less of an issue.

That being said, we don't really know if Naruto would have acted the same way had it been Sakura instead of Hinata. It's already been confirmed that he loves Sakura, so his actions may have been different if he was put in the same situation with her instead of Hinata. For instance, perhaps we would have seen him blush while she holds his cheek or when he goes to hold her hand, like he has done so many times in the past while interacting with Sakura. Perhaps he would have given her a more intimate "Thank you" than he gave in the canon version, considering she's done a lot more for him than Hinata ever has. Perhaps he would have had a more romantically inclined thought regarding the situation as opposed to thinking nothing at all, like he does with Hinata. Or maybe he would have acted the exact same way that he did with Hinata. It's hard to say as all we can do is speculate, but I believe that his love for Sakura could have sparked a deeper/more intimate reaction from Naruto than what we saw in the canon.

Anyway, for these reasons, I don't think it's fair to ask us how we would have reacted had it been Sakura instead of Hinata. The relationships and circumstances between the characters are different, so you need to take all of these factors (and probably more that I didn't think of) into consideration.

Exactly. Reading 615, we have to see it from the characters perspective, and the conclusion was that 615 wasn't meant to be romantic, it's somewhat Hinata ----> Naruto, like always, when she made the comment about his hand.

I think that 615 had a big impact on some because Hinata never had such moment in the manga. It has become whenever Hinata has a whatever moment then it's a big deal, whereas we shouldn't take it that much.

Edited by T XD, 23 February 2013 - 10:04 PM.

[MangaReader]

It always one big misunderstanding and they're just gonna keep living by whatever comes out of they're mouths (NaruHina)... short and simple (and likely won't receive any replies because of it...like all my posts of nothingness) XD

Edited by MangaReader, 23 February 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[KeikoxYusuke]

The problem I have seen lately, is more people have been telling me over and over again that there is "no proof" of Naruto loving Sakura. ( or that, he clearly changed his mind during her confession. )


I, of course, don't think that Naruto is suddenly not in love anymore. even more so when he found out what she was doing...but anyway... That's the problem I'm having on youtube anyway...

Alot of them think all this focus on Hinata lately is sapposed to build up to a Naruhina ending. ( I guess they are just assuming that Naruto is too shy to show romantic feelings for Hinata? I ...I don't see it AT ALL.

To be honest, I really think the anime team is just thorwing a curveball. ( I guess for the Japanese people, they have seen things like this so often, they aren't freaking out about it...hard to picture them freaking out anyway... ( I love Japanese people. )


So...Yeah... I'm not sure where I was going with this thought now....

[rocci]

It always one big misunderstanding and they're just gonna keep living by whatever comes out of they're mouths (NaruHina)... short and simple (and likely won't receive any replies because of it...like all my posts of nothingness) XD

Well they are nh fan, that's why they will always see what they want to see

Ok, I have a question guys, why naruto didn't mention kushina advice about girl? He mention all of kushina last advice minus that one.

Edited by rocci, 23 February 2013 - 11:52 PM.

[luffyq1]

Well they are nh fan, that's why they will always see what they want to see

Ok, I have a question guys, why naruto didn't mention kushina advice about girl? He mention all of kushina last advice minus that one.

Maybe Naruto is falling out of love with Sakura. But wait? Isn't that contradictory based on his character? After all, Kurama did say that Naruto doesn't change. Well, it's not like I can't imagine Naruto being OOC for NH to happen. It's Kishi we're talking about here.

Edited by luffyq1, 24 February 2013 - 12:34 AM.

[Awes9]

Why are you guys so obsessed with NH fans ? Who cares about their opinion ? let them believe what they want and let the manga speak for itself.

Well they are nh fan, that's why they will always see what they want to see

Ok, I have a question guys, why naruto didn't mention kushina advice about girl? He mention all of kushina last advice minus that one.

Because if Naruto said anything at this moment about girls it would be obvious which pairing would be canon, and Kishi doesn't want that, of course the writing suffers from that but Kishi doesn't care and he's right since shippers keeps on reading the manga to know oif their pairing will happen. Bad writing but buisness is buisness you can't allow to lose a part of your readers so early.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why are you guys so obsessed with NH fans ? Who cares about their opinion ? let them believe what they want and let the manga speak for itself.

Because if Naruto said anything at this moment about girls it would be obvious which pairing would be canon, and Kishi doesn't want that, of course the writing suffers from that but Kishi doesn't care and he's right since shippers keeps on reading the manga to know oif their pairing will happen. Bad writing but buisness is buisness you can't allow to lose a part of your readers so early.

True. We should just keep it to ourselves and stop letting their opinions overpowering ours. It's as if they're fact. No one is 100% at the moment. So we just relax and keep it as it is.

[bthug]

You can't really take a moment like 615, switch out Hinata for Sakura, and then ask how our reactions would have been because the relationships between the characters are different. Hinata loves Naruto, so seeing her slap him, give her speech, and then think of how big and strong his hand is really isn't a big deal because we already know what Hinata's feelings for Naruto are. It's just another Hinata ---> Naruto moment, like most of the NaruHina moments have been. However, if we were to stick Sakura in Hinata's place, the moment becomes significantly different.

Sakura isn't confirmed to love Naruto, (though it has been heavily implied), so seeing her slap him, give that speech, and then follow up by thinking about how big and strong his hand is would be a huge deal for NaruSaku because it shows Sakura thinking of Naruto in a romantic way. (Though the "big and strong hand" comment would be OOC for Sakura, but I digress....) As for Naruto, his reaction in 615/616 wouldn't have hurt the moment as much had it been Sakura in Hinata's place because we already know that he loves Sakura. We don't need to see him react in an overly romantic way because we already know how he feels. We need confirmation of Sakura's love for him which, in this hypothetical situation, we would have had with Sakura standing in Hinata's place.

NaruHina, on the other hand, is looking for proof that Naruto loves Hinata, which is why the events in 616 hurts NaruHina more than it would have hurt NaruSaku. Because Naruto has an ulterior motive behind holding hands with Hinata, has absolutely no romantic thoughts while holding her hand, and follows up by holding hands with everyone else, it could be interpreted that there was no romantic intent behind his actions. This is a bad thing for NaruHina because, as I've stated, they're looking for proof of his love for her. You could argue that it would be a bad thing for NaruSaku as well, but the fact still stands that Naruto is already confirmed to love Sakura, which makes 616 less of an issue.

That being said, we don't really know if Naruto would have acted the same way had it been Sakura instead of Hinata. It's already been confirmed that he loves Sakura, so his actions may have been different if he was put in the same situation with her instead of Hinata. For instance, perhaps we would have seen him blush while she holds his cheek or when he goes to hold her hand, like he has done so many times in the past while interacting with Sakura. Perhaps he would have given her a more intimate "Thank you" than he gave in the canon version, considering she's done a lot more for him than Hinata ever has. Perhaps he would have had a more romantically inclined thought regarding the situation as opposed to thinking nothing at all, like he does with Hinata. Or maybe he would have acted the exact same way that he did with Hinata. It's hard to say as all we can do is speculate, but I believe that his love for Sakura could have sparked a deeper/more intimate reaction from Naruto than what we saw in the canon.

Anyway, for these reasons, I don't think it's fair to ask us how we would have reacted had it been Sakura instead of Hinata. The relationships and circumstances between the characters are different, so you need to take all of these factors (and probably more that I didn't think of) into consideration.

Alright Im just gonna play devils Advocate, but how do u know that to Naruhina fans or maybe Kishi, that they have some special relationship we cant see beacuse we're heavily engraved in Narusaku, it like the age old question how do I know the blue you see is the blue I see....Might not have phrased this perfectly but hopefully u can see where Im coming from.

Also Hinata confessed to Naruto and Naruto still hasnt responded right? Dont you think he has it in the back of his mind? You know, kind of thinking about it? Maybe it's Kishi way of filling a the giant void that is Naruhina.

Also has Naruto said he loves Sakura, after the confession? (in the manga)?

Lol srry guys just, trying to spice things up

[neoshadow]

Also has Naruto said he loves Sakura, after the confession? (in the manga)?

Yes he has, after the confession during when Naruto goes to beg the Raikage to forgive Sasuke, we had a flashback to when Sai asked Naruto why he didn't tell Sakura he loved her and Naruto responded "How can I when I can't even keep my promises".
I have seen the argument by other pairings that since it's assumed the flashback is set before the destruction of Konoha it can't be used to support Naruto's feelings for Sakura since they could have changed post Hinata's confession but if that's the case why would the flashback be placed where it is if Naruto's feelings had changed, the purpose of a flashback is to shed light and history on the events that are happening currently.

Edited by neoshadow, 24 February 2013 - 01:42 AM.

[MangaReader]

True. We should just keep it to ourselves and stop letting their opinions overpowering ours. It's as if they're fact. No one is 100% at the moment. So we just relax and keep it as it is.

I think we're doing it because of the lack of things to debate about pairing wise... though the whole love thing and the Uchiha could indicate Sasuke no longer holds feelings for anyone, thus negating any Sasuke pairing from the equation.

[Awes9]

Yes he has, after the confession during when Naruto goes to beg the Raikage to forgive Sasuke, we had a flashback to when Sai asked Naruto why he didn't tell Sakura he loved her and Naruto responded "How can I when I can't even keep my promises".
I have seen the argument by other pairings that since it's assumed the flashback is set before the destruction of Konoha it can't be used to support Naruto's feelings since they could have changed post Hinata's confession but if that's the case why would the flashback be placed where it is if Naruto's feelings had changed, the purpose of a flashback is to shed light and history on the events that are happening currently.

I think Kishi made it pretty clear that no one's feelings will change off panel, he can't even bring himself to make Lee and Ino get over their respective love interest so there's no reason to believe Naruto's feelings changed execpt if your bias got the best of you. Many of us NS fans made the same error by believing Sakura was over Sasuke and there was no clear indication she was still in love with Sasuke until the Kage Summit Arc and we were shown Sakura was still in love with Sasuke, other's pairing fans are doing the same error and they will sooner or later realize how wrong they are.
It would make no sense for Naruto to be over Sakura and suddenly in love with Hinata just because she confessed otherwise Sakura would be already in love with Naruto because all that happened between them completely trumps Hinata's selfish confession. Also you just have to look at Naruto's reaction during Sakura's confession, the obvious blush and the fact that he seemed to be daydreaming until he realizes something is not right clearly indicates his feelings. As for him getting over Sakura just because she lied to him to protect him makes no sense when he can't get over Sasuke.

[Midoriko]

NH came to exist with the blood vow if IIRC from reading it on LJ years ago. Well that's nice and all but Naruto's crush on Sakura was still there during the infamous "blood vow".
It's funny how NH dismisses other characters's observation of Naruto's feelings for Sakura but that comes as no surprise when Naruto himself reiterated who he wants after the blood vow in part one.
First time was through Konohmaru raising his pinky which means "girlfriend" and Naruto thinking how perceptive Konohmaru was for saying that.(pre-Chunin exam)
Second time was Gamakichi during the Gaara fight, again he raised his pinky (med to near end of Chunin exam).
Third time was Naruto thinking to himself how much he wanted to get stronger so Sakura-chan can start to like him when he went off with Jiraiya. (post-Chunin exam).
So my question is why when Naruto clearly expresses who he likes chapter 3 then and made another reference in 143 becomes unimportant that NH won't acknowledge it?

Now jump to part 2 and we have Sai early on commenting how he noticed Sakura is gentle with Naruto and then later the comment to Naruto how much he must like Sakura and why he hasn't said anything. What we learned was the reason why he can't. Also another thing--when Sakura was crying and told Shikamaru "the fools in love with me", Shikamaru didn't object but it's not important. Nothing is important if it gets in the way of NH, not even the story.
Good grief but when Kiba said "Don't act so tough because Hinata is here" oh oh look out NH is here. Did anyone noticed how Hinata or Naruto didn't blush when Kiba said that. Remove Kiba's comment and nothing is amiss. I still shake my head at how much it shook up the fandom.

It just seems like a lot of effort to make NH credible by ignoring Naruto's feelings for Sakura. I'm not even going to touch on SS at this time.

Edited by Midoriko, 24 February 2013 - 02:19 AM.

[Awes9]

NH came to exist with the blood vow if IIRC from reading it on LJ years ago. Well that's nice and all but Naruto's crush on Sakura was still there during the infamous "blood vow".
It's funny how NH dismisses other characters's observation of Naruto's feelings for Sakura but that comes as no surprise when Naruto himself reiterated who he wants after the blood vow in part one.
First time was through Konohmaru raising his pinky which means "girlfriend" and Naruto thinking how perceptive Konohmaru was for saying that.(pre-Chunin exam)
Second time was Gamakichi during the Gaara fight, again he raised his pinky (med to near end of Chunin exam).
Third time was Naruto thinking to himself how much he wanted to get stronger so Sakura-chan can start to like him when he went off with Jiraiya. (post-Chunin exam).
So my question is why when Naruto clearly expresses who he likes chapter 3 then and made another reference in 143 becomes unimportant that NH won't acknowledge it?

Now jump to part 2 and we have Sai early on commenting how he noticed Sakura is gentle with Naruto and then later the comment to Naruto how much he must like Sakura and why he hasn't said anything. What we learned was the reason why he can't. Also another thing--when Sakura was crying and told Shikamaru "the fools in love with me", Shikamaru didn't object but it's not important. Nothing is important if it gets in the way of NH, not even the story.
Good grief but when Kiba said "Don't act so tough because Hinata is here" oh oh look out NH is here. Did anyone noticed how Hinata or Naruto didn't blush when Kiba said that. Remove Kiba's comment and nothing is amiss. I still shake my head at how much it shook up the fandom.

It just seems like a lot of effort to make NH credible by ignoring Naruto's feelings for Sakura. I'm not even going to touch on SS at this time.

That's the beauty of NH ignoring everything in the story so that NH can be canon that's why I don't bother reading NH's comments and when I argue with NH I simply troll by repeating their comments like Naruto is like a brother for Hinata, I give them their own medecine and that tends to get on their nerves pretty fast.
That's ok to discuss NH in the manga since there's a basis for it even tough I don't see it as romantic but to discuss NH fans' arguments will lead us to nothing since most of their arguments consists of baseless speculation, wishful thinking, ignoring manga canon and twisting it so that it fits their own bias.

[sushi.]

Why are you guys so obsessed with NH fans ? Who cares about their opinion ? let them believe what they want and let the manga speak for itself.

Agree. I think we are talking a little too much about NH fans here, if anything we should rather talk about the pairing itself. Not saying I've never done it, I just noticed now.

Well they are nh fan, that's why they will always see what they want to see

Ok, I have a question guys, why naruto didn't mention kushina advice about girl? He mention all of kushina last advice minus that one.

Sorry to bold you out, but this is exactly what I am talking about. As for the question, I don't know for sure. He never set out a goal to catch the girl, but he definitely has his eyes on her. He said he will do those things, but he has already found the girl. Plus it adds tension to the story, because he won't reveal the answer until the end of the manga.

[Midoriko]

@Awes9You're a lot better than me to argue with them. I have in the past read some of their arguments and facepalm....HARD.
Oh that's right, I have read how they're like brother and sister LOLS--- okay whatever gets them through the manga.

Edited by Midoriko, 24 February 2013 - 03:33 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You're a lot better than me to argue with them. I have in the past read some of their arguments and facepalm....HARD.
Oh that's right, I have read how they're like brother and sister LOLS--- okay whatever gets them through the manga.

The funny thing is that argument is becoming less and less valid, especially lately the idea of brother and sister, not blood related, can lead to love at some point. So, now what, guys.

[Musicmanoful]

Haha, I was on a anti-narusaku tumblr recently and one comments a NH fan said was:

"They ship narusaku because of fillers"

So this is the educated fandom we debate against?