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[六道仙人]

I would find very ridicolous fight hand by hand during a battle.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

You used a fallacy of generalization with an Ad-hominem.
You didnt attack my argument you attacked the fact i being a NS fan.

Why should i? You just give me reasons to not hear it.
You said a lot of things that does not make any sense, like Naruto having any feelings for Sakura based on anything just look at Ino she still loves Sasuke even with 0 screetime.

LIke i said hearing other opinions the internet is full of it, places like YT, NF, and etc, i just dont want this website to became just another naruto general debate, because this website is a fanclub and theorically only NS should be here.
I'm almost done with some fakes popping up saying nonsense things like the guy who created a new acc just to say that NH is canon with a wall of text.

About fallacy here you might understand more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

Are you honestly saying I haven't been replying to your comments? Because I think that notion can be proven false by taking a one look at my posts. I've addressed your posts and comments quite a bit. Then you accused me of being biased and I responded by saying that I was and pointed out that you, too, have a certain point of view. And now you accuse me of ad hominems?

Take up your concerns about the fanclub with the mods.

[Arachnia]

you know what i cant w8 too see this chapter animated /sarcasm

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Are you honestly saying I haven't been replying to your comments? Because I think that notion can be proven false by taking a one look at my posts. I've addressed your posts and comments quite a bit. Then you accused me of being biased and I responded by saying that I was and pointed out that you, too, have a certain point of view. And now you accuse me of ad hominems?

Take up your concerns about the fanclub with the mods.

AH nice victim argument, yes you responded but mostly ignoring my point and changing the subject, i told you that naruto still have feelings for Sakura and you respond with "we will see it", then i call you biased with a reason, you respond back saying that everyone is biased, and therefore making arguments invalid(breaking the point of the debate and therefore making your reasons to be here pointless), it's an ad hominem it's not an accusation you really did it.
about concerns about the fanclub, yes i talking with them, but close by close this place is being invaded by NH and SS, and when there is full of it i'll leave.
I'm not going to change this place because it's not mine, but i joined it not because it was a another Naruto website but because it was a fanclub when it is no more a fanclub i'll leave and this is day is coming slowly.

Like i said i dont want to debate with SS/NH there's a lot of places for it which i think it's not here.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 07:25 PM.

[MoonStar]

I haven't thought it that bad. I hated HarryxGinny, though. So sudden and shallow. Yet it did give the world Albus Severus Potter so me and HG are even now.

Your tolerance for the asinine romance Kishi has given us and how it badly it has reflected on the characters, mostly Sakura, is surprisingly high. HarryxGinny is an example of a badly developed couple that I often use to define NH as it represents nothing more than the protagonist getting his "cherry on top" after his arduous life accomplishments.

It was, until recently, very popular theory of how NS could happen. Tsunade is dying, Sakura arrives, Tsunade's parting words will make Sakura realize her love for Naruto. The role Neji in a way seems to have played for NH.

First I'm hearing of this theory. I don't come into contact with many NS fans. I was actually pleasantly surprised coming here and finding so many because this site seemed abandoned in every visit I made. As I've stated before, though, I'm not particularly fond of it.

Sasuke already did bring them together, as a team and as friends. Sakura is not just a fangirl to Sasuke. She was his friend and cared for him. She wanted to kill him to help him. What on earth did she gain for herself in Sasuke's death? "I got to touch him when I stabbed him! Squee! Now he is dead and can't no more resist my charms and now I shall have my way with him"?

What would NS give to Sasuke himself?

I never said Sasuke was going to die, upon bring Sakura and Naruto together romantically as well. It's plain as daylight he will live on. Kishi wouldn't kill off his precious Uchihas. Naruto and Sakura would have become close friends regardless of Sasuke's departure, and this was shown as early as the Chuunin Exams preliminaries of Part 1. As it is now, Sasuke has only served to be an indent between Naruto and Sakura becoming closer than friends.

Sasuke himself wouldn't receive anything of worth from NS. I don't see how someone could receive something asides from perhaps than happiness for their sakes, when two of his friends familiarize themselves intimately. I originally said the story involving Sasuke would benefit and I've already given you reason why in my previous reply.

[HalfStarStudios]

Lol he even thought to himself that "hes not going to let go of her hand". It cant be more obvious - he didnt hold her hand in order to give her chakra.

Lol, Naruto didn't think that. It was an Editors note.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I never said Sasuke was going to die, upon bring Sakura and Naruto together romantically as well. It's plain as daylight he will live on. Kishi wouldn't kill off his precious Uchihas. Naruto and Sakura would have become close friends regardless of Sasuke's departure, and this was shown as early as the Chuunin Exams preliminaries of Part 1. As it is now, Sasuke has only served to be an indent between Naruto and Sakura becoming closer than friends.

Sasuke himself wouldn't receive anything of worth from NS. I don't see how someone could receive something asides from perhaps than happiness for their sakes, when two of his friends familiarize themselves intimately. I originally said the story involving Sasuke would benefit and I've already given you reason why in my previous reply.

Sakura's love for Sasuke is the main reason for how Naruto started a rivalry with sasuke it's show on a flashback when he was a kid.
When he said "i'll show her to who she should be looking at"
She was more a catalyst, because of this and much other stuff NS is the best pairing ending.
I cant see him dropping from Sakura like a flash.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 07:25 PM.

[六道仙人]

But what I really don't understand is why a SS fan is here in the enemy's den for imposing his biased opinion strctly pro SS... It's like I, as a fan of NS, went in a SS fanclub to say my biased opnion about NS (you can imagine how they could treat me...)
Honestly I don't understand how you're spending some time with people like those...

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Your tolerance for the asinine romance Kishi has given us and how it badly it has reflected on the characters, mostly Sakura, is surprisingly high. HarryxGinny is an example of a badly developed couple that I often use to define NH as it represents nothing more than the protagonist getting his "cherry on top" after his arduous life accomplishments.

Sakura often gets to play the role of "the prize for Naruto", as well. At least in the fan theories. Maybe my tolerance is less suprising when you hear that I'm a SS shipper.

I never said Sasuke was going to die, upon bring Sakura and Naruto together romantically as well. It's plain as daylight he will live on. Kishi wouldn't kill off his precious Uchihas. Naruto and Sakura would have become close friends regardless of Sasuke's departure, and this was shown as early as the Chuunin Exams preliminaries of Part 1. As it is now, Sasuke has only served to be an indent between Naruto and Sakura becoming closer than friends.

He is also the force that drives them apart. Take the confession chapters, for example. At the same time, he is the one that keeps them working together and motivated in their teamwork. Maybe he is not the only thing keeping Naruto and Sakura friends, but a very big part of it, IMO. Most of the time we see Naruto and Sakura, they are either working (rescue Gaara arc, Hidan arc) or going after Sasuke (all the rest of the damn manga part 2).

I'm now pretty convinced Sasuke will live. Wouldn't be suprised if he did die, tough.

Sasuke himself wouldn't receive anything of worth from NS. I don't see how someone could receive something asides from perhaps than happiness for their sakes, when two of his friends familiarize themselves intimately. I originally said the story involving Sasuke would benefit and I've already given you reason why in my previous reply.

Oh, sorry. I though you might have some kind of idea how NS would affect Sasuke in the NaruSasu battle or something and was interested hearing that.

But what I really don't understand is why a SS fan is here in the enemy's den for imposing his biased opinion strctly pro SS... It's like I, as a fan of NS, went in a SS fanclub to say my biased opnion about NS (you can imagine how they could treat me...)
Honestly I don't understand how you're spending some time with people like those...

Her biased opinion, thank you. And I would imagine they have treated you as badly as your fellow NS supporters here have treated me. Goes both ways.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 07:32 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't get it. It's like I said in my previous post: if this is a way to have Hinata's wish come true without necessarily being romance, then kudos. He is giving chakra to her so they can get back to action. I don't know if that's where it stops but so far, it would seem so. Next chapter will tells us clearer. As of now, he is just passing chakra. You say that he grabs her and never intended to hold her for chakra passing because he took too long. It's more like "Ok, I'm ready, but first, I should thank her. Then pass chakra." hence the timing. You made it sound like he's taking 5 minutes just to hold her hand. Correct me but isn't Naruto doing the holding, not equally as her? I don't remember if there is both grip from each other. Anyway, we got a couple weeks left before determination but so far, it's a moment, not canonilizing. It will be the first to see the protagonist gets love/happy ending when not in the finale, let alone at the end of the series.

[MoonStar]

Sakura's love for Sasuke is the main reason for how Naruto started a rivalry with sasuke it's show on a flashback when he was a kid.
When he said "i'll show her to who she should be looking at"
She was more a catalyst, because of this and much other stuff NS is the best pairing ending.
I cant see him dropping from Sakura like a flash.

Yes, it doesn't make sense, but neither is the Kyuubi becoming buddy-buddy with Naruto in so short a time, nor Obito's obsession for Rin.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sakura often gets to play the role of "the prize for Naruto", as well. At least in the fan theories. Maybe my tolerance is less suprising when you hear that I'm a SS shipper.

Well let me ask tell me of a romantic development from Naruto to Hinata.
Naruto is more like a "prize for hinata", Sakura has a development towards Naruto, while is different when it comes to Sasuke>Sakura, there's no development.
But Sasuke>Karin there's is he knows that she's a uzumaki now from the same clan of that special person, while she had a legit development, Sasuke saved her from death while he smile towards her and she see him as the amazing shinobi ever.
I never see Sasuke smiling towards Sakura, in a moment similar like that.

About Harry and Ginnie, all pairing in that story had 0 development, it just suddenly happened, even Harry/Hermione had no legit development.

Yes, it doesn't make sense, but neither is the Kyuubi becoming buddy-buddy with Naruto in so short a time, nor Obito's obsession for Rin.

First Hachibi was the same as kyuubi and he become friends, he become friends with kyuubi Naruto pardon him, ofc it was something that we knew it would happen since part 1.
Obito's obssession for Rin, it's not a obssession it was love and that love generated a rivalry with Kakashi, the same background as Naruto.

Because of it he wanted to surpass Kakashi/Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Yes, it doesn't make sense, but neither is the Kyuubi becoming buddy-buddy with Naruto in so short a time, nor Obito's obsession for Rin.

Nor does it make any sense that entire nation would quickly forget and forgive and choose their leader a serial killer who killed for years for fun. Or that there is no resenting between, say, Konoha and Sand, even though just a few years ago they were fighting against each other. Things are apparently a bit easier and more convenient in the Naruto world.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Nor does it make any sense that entire nation would quickly forget and forgive and choose their leader a serial killer who killed for years for fun. Or that there is no resenting between, say, Konoha and Sand, even though just a few years ago they were fighting against each other. Things are apparently a bit easier and more convenient in the Naruto world.

You're talking about Gaara, you forgot that they started it when they tried to kill him more than 10 times when they suddenly "test" him.
He hated his village and at the same time the people hated him because he was the jinchuuriki.
He learn to forgive and ofc he gained the trust of the villagers, it's not shown but we seen gaara's resolution, we have a lot of cases that a jinchuuriki or the wife of the hokage is somewhat involved with it.

About Sand and Konoha both lost soldiers, and people, but the sand was fooled by orochimaru, orochimaru actually killed Gaara's father, and started the plan.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 07:43 PM.

[luffyq1]

Excuse my language but I'm really having a hard time trying to understand what in the actual kitten Naruto meant when he said "It's because you've been by my side this whole time." Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Sakura, the female ninja, whose been beside Naruto this whole time, not Hinata?

Someone explain this to me plz. kthnx

Edited by luffyq1, 29 December 2012 - 07:44 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

Nor does it make any sense that entire nation would quickly forget and forgive and choose their leader a serial killer who killed for years for fun. Or that there is no resenting between, say, Konoha and Sand, even though just a few years ago they were fighting against each other. Things are apparently a bit easier and more convenient in the Naruto world.

You mean the same village that tried to kill him multiple times just when he was a kid? You mean the village that had a Kage who tried to kill him and had everyone hate him even though he's his son? You mean the same village that after countless failures at taking his life just decided to use him as a weapon and nothing more? If anything, it's Gaara who forgave them. Not the other way around.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 29 December 2012 - 07:44 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Well let me ask tell me of a romantic development from Naruto to Hinata.
Naruto is more like a "prize for hinata", Sakura has a development towards Naruto, while is different when it comes to Sasuke>Sakura, there's no development.
But Sasuke>Karin there's is he knows that she's a uzumaki now from the same clan of that special person, while she had a legit development, Sasuke saved her from death while he smile towards her and she see him as the amazing shinobi ever.
I never see Sasuke smiling towards Sakura, in a moment similar like that.

I find the argument that SasuKarin is better than SasuSaku silly. Karin and Sakura essentially were the same. Both were in love with Sasuke, who didn't romantically love either one back. He cared for them both and showed kindness to them but also did horrible things to them. He saved both of their lives or was willing to. Then he tried to kill them both. He stabbed Karin because he so badly needed to kill some guy, while she was begging him to help her... Yet SasuKarin is supposed to be a-okay while SS is teh horror.

You mean the same village that tried to kill him multiple times just when he was a kid? You mean the village that had a Kage who tried to kill him and had everyone hate him even though he's his son? You mean the same village that after countless failures at taking his life just decided to use him as a weapon and nothing more? If anything, it's Gaara who forgave them. Not the other way around.

Yeah. How come Gaara was so forgiving of that? Same thing. It's not very realistic that Gaara would forgive the village and the village in turn forget his actions against them. Gaara murdered people for the lullz, though. It is not a little bad thing he did and the villagers had every reason to loathe him.

Excuse my language but I'm really having a hard time trying to understand what in the actual kitten Naruto meant when he said "It's because you've been by my side this whole time." Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Sakura, the female ninja, whose been beside Naruto this whole time, not Hinata?

Someone explain this to me plz. kthnx

Hinata was the one who always believed in Naruto? Even back when Sakura couldn't stand him.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 07:47 PM.

[Arachnia]

you know what i dont get is wye should Kishi already solve the pairing with still 100+ chapters too be made, thats the only reason wye i dont think NH is in stone yet who knows mabey there is still hope that and the sai part

Edited by Arachnia, 29 December 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Excuse my language but I'm really having a hard time trying to understand what in the actual kitten Naruto meant when he said "It's because you've been by my side this whole time." Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Sakura, the female ninja, whose been beside Naruto this whole time, not Hinata?

Someone explain this to me plz. kthnx

Because she was his friend like everyone else, everyone was at Naruto's side.
The thing is he thanked her because she was the only one there.

Even Sakura say this to Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

Excuse my language but I'm really having a hard time trying to understand what in the actual kitten Naruto meant when he said "It's because you've been by my side this whole time." Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Sakura, the female ninja, whose been beside Naruto this whole time, not Hinata?

Someone explain this to me plz. kthnx

Reminds me of when he thanked her for saving him against Pain when it was actually Kurama and Minato who did it. Naruto/Kishi has a habit of giving Hinata credit she does not deserve. I'll say she's always been by his side when I see some panels of her talking to him about Sasuke and Tsunade being in a coma like another female did.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 29 December 2012 - 07:47 PM.