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[kirabook]

Thank you for the input. Technically, she shouldn't have any romantic feelings for Sasuke. But Kishi made it clear in that one panel, that those feelings were still there, even though, it was not in the good light. Don't get me wrong. I do support NS, but not having high hopes that it will become canon. I only follow the facts.




I agree with the ones i never bold out.

1. I was referring to the second confession, you know, the part she said she's going to hold his hand after the war (future). Not the confession in the Pain Arc. And if you rewind back to the part she was healing Hinata. Neji asked Sakura,"Why did she do it?" And Sakura mentally said Hinata loves Naruto. Her expression was not too bright about the fact Hinata loves Naruto. And it just makes me wonder, how Sakura will reat to Hinata asking Naruto out. Will she ignore or resent Hinata?

4. I absolutely have to disagree with this one. I'm sure Naruto being Minato's son will have both positive and negative influence on Sakura's character. By human nature, and being a teenage girl. She's going to experience some brief awe-raging-hormone sensation about Naruto being born from the passing Yodaime Hokage and a war hero. And negativity, she's going to be more hurtful for she'd done to Naruto in the past, realizing that she was berating and hitting the Yandaime's son all this time, while she was fangirling a traitor all this time, without knowing what family Naruto came from.

1. "Why did she do it? Why did she jump out there alone and try and fight the guy that just flattened the village like a pancake?" I've already discussed this before, but Sakura's expression was not directed at Hinata as a person. It was a realization that other people like Naruto too. It was not resentment or stupid jealousy. It was a thoughtful moment for Sakura and made her reflect on Naruto in general.

Hinata seems to love Naruto as she jumped out there and and risked her life for him, maybe she should do the same? Will others do the same for Naruto too? If Hinata's confession influenced Sakura at all during her confession, all it did was encourage her to go and risk her life to kill Sasuke for Naruto's sake, which is far fetched.

Unless Hinata's personal talk no jutsu was projected for the entire world to hear -or I'm missing something- no one heard the actual confession save Pein and Naruto. Others might be a bit confused why she randomly jumped out there, but Sakura ties 2 and 2 together.

Of course, she wouldn't know about the confession absolutely, she's probably making an assumption, a big one. Why would she have any reaction towards Hinata if she didn't actually 'witness' the confession in a hearable range. Even if she did hear it, what do you expect Sakura's reaction to be like?

"Oh Hinata, I heard you like Naruto now. Just to let you know, I'm watching you. You better not try anything with him", "I heard you like Naruto too. We're now love rivals"

Hm, what does that sound like to you? Oh I know, the 12 year old Sakura that you admitted she no longer is. What would she ignore Hinata for? Hinata hasn't done anything wrong other than love a boy she's hardly talked to.

Sakura isn't going to have any reaction towards Hinata that is dramatic and I think you're putting way too much thought into moments that aren't important.

4. She hasn't fangirled Sasuke since part 1. Just making that clear. She still might love him yes, but fangirl Sakura is gone. She's blended in with her inner self, no longer hiding behind a fangirl personality. Again, she's not 12 anymore.

So you expect Sakura's reaction to be "OMG, You're the Yondaime's son?! We should totally get together now Naruto! Because you're so cool and famous and the son of a hero even though you're already a hero yourself! Sorry for slapping you when you needed it! How silly of me! *giggle*" -the above example is exactly why I avoid some NS fanfiction. They have this type of horrible unrealistic OOC reaction from Sakura-

The only effect it could have is Naruto telling her for the sake of telling her more about himself. Just having "Minato is my father" on his resume is not going to boost Sakura's romantic interest in him. Neither will it be a negative one.

The only reaction I can see is maybe a bit of sadness, realizing it was his own father that sealed the Kyuubi in him. No fangirling, no checking off a resume list, no disgust for Naruto all the sudden, nothing as dramatic as you see to want it to be. It would probably be a serious or serene moment between the two, maybe others.

If she cared about hitting the relatives of Hokage's, then she wouldn't have hit Konohamaru in the past and definitely wouldn't have hit him for his yuri no jutsu. No one cares that much about being the relative of a Hokage. They aren't gods, she's not suddenly going to worship the ground that Naruto walks on. And she's not going to be sorry about knocking some sense into his head NOW AND THEN. -seriously she doesn't hit him that much and it's all comedy relief -

Edited by kirabook, 31 May 2012 - 01:02 PM.

[Don-kun]

1. "Why did she do it? Why did she jump out there alone and try and fight the guy that just flattened the village like a pancake?" I've already discussed this before, but Sakura's expression was not directed at Hinata as a person. It was a realization that other people like Naruto too. It was not resentment or stupid jealousy. It was a thoughtful moment for Sakura and made her reflect on Naruto in general.

Hinata seems to love Naruto as she jumped out there and and risked her life for him, maybe she should do the same? Will others do the same for Naruto too? If Hinata's confession influenced Sakura at all during her confession, all it did was encourage her to go and risk her life to kill Sasuke for Naruto's sake, which is far fetched.

Unless Hinata's personal talk no jutsu was projected for the entire world to hear -or I'm missing something- no one heard the actual confession save Pein and Naruto. Others might be a bit confused why she randomly jumped out there, but Sakura ties 2 and 2 together.

Of course, she wouldn't know about the confession absolutely, she's probably making an assumption, a big one. Why would she have any reaction towards Hinata if she didn't actually 'witness' the confession in a hearable range. Even if she did hear it, what do you expect Sakura's reaction to be like?

"Oh Hinata, I heard you like Naruto now. Just to let you know, I'm watching you. You better not try anything with him", "I heard you like Naruto too. We're now love rivals"

Hm, what does that sound like to you? Oh I know, the 12 year old Sakura that you admitted she no longer is. What would she ignore Hinata for? Hinata hasn't done anything wrong other than love a boy she's hardly talked to.

Sakura isn't going to have any reaction towards Hinata that is dramatic and I think you're putting way too much thought into moments that aren't important.

4. She hasn't fangirled Sasuke since part 1. Just making that clear. She still might love him yes, but fangirl Sakura is gone. She's blended in with her inner self, no longer hiding behind a fangirl personality. Again, she's not 12 anymore.

So you expect Sakura's reaction to be "OMG, You're the Yondaime's son?! We should totally get together now Naruto! Because you're so cool and famous and the son of a hero even though you're already a hero yourself! Sorry for slapping you when you needed it! How silly of me! *giggle*" -the above example is exactly why I avoid some NS fanfiction. They have this type of horrible unrealistic OOC reaction from Sakura-

The only effect it could have is Naruto telling her for the sake of telling her more about himself. Just having "Minato is my father" on his resume is not going to boost Sakura's romantic interest in him. Neither will it be a negative one.

The only reaction I can see is maybe a bit of sadness, realizing it was his own father that sealed the Kyuubi in him. No fangirling, no checking off a resume list, no disgust for Naruto all the sudden, nothing as dramatic as you see to want it to be. It would probably be a serious or serene moment between the two, maybe others.

If she cared about hitting the relatives of Hokage's, then she wouldn't have hit Konohamaru in the past and definitely wouldn't have hit him for his yuri no jutsu. No one cares that much about being the relative of a Hokage. They aren't gods, she's not suddenly going to worship the ground that Naruto walks on. And she's not going to be sorry about knocking some sense into his head NOW AND THEN. -seriously she doesn't hit him that much and it's all comedy relief -

I think Hinata comes off as a bit shy to express her feelings but it does take it too far and make her look a lot more desperate. We could go and have a long discussion about what love is but there are too many definition of that word that it would be boring. According to NH, Hinata loves Naruto because she admires him from afar. I'll admit that Hinata didn't fall into "I hate Naruto because Everyone Else Does", but that alone isn't enough for me to believe that Hinata's love for Naruto isn't just admiration. If we are going to use that argument, then wouldn't that mean that everyone loves Naruto? [NARUTO HAREM ] There are a lot of people who admire Naruto from afar as well. Hinata was just the first to admire him from afar and see who he is. Hinata's admiration for Naruto isn't any different from how others see him. Sometimes I think Hinata confuses her admiration for Naruto as love, how can that be called love is there was never a build up? They just don't really seem to spend a lot of time with each other or show feelings for each other. However, I feel that if Kishimoto was more serious about this pairing he would show a little bit more evidence, other than Hinata likes Naruto.

[Strangelove]

But as far as Naruto goes. I think NS may practically be cannon now. Wouldn't it be kind of odd if Kishi made a character he based from himself and a character based from his wife not end up together? That would be a little strange imo

He based Sakura out of his wife? :OOO When did he said that?

[Dalton.T.R]

I've said quite a few times n the past that Kishi planned his story out from the beginning. (I have the ending to my own story in my head as well.) what I meant, is why i think he hasn't made said pairing official YET.

Just to get more money I'd guess. Though you'd think being the author of the best manga on the planet he'd have plenty of money by now.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

"best manga on the planet" i think u overexagerated a bit

[Dalton.T.R]

He based Sakura out of his wife? :OOO When did he said that?

Uh, I'm just guessing at that part. The Onepiece writer attended Kishi's weding and said his wife looks a lot like Sakura. So I just took a guess.

[Anguyen92]

He based Sakura out of his wife? :OOO When did he said that?

I could have sworn at one point, that the writer of One Piece, Oda, somewhere, said that at Kishi's wedding that his wife-to-be looked like Sakura or something like that.

[Dalton.T.R]

"best manga on the planet" i think u overexagerated a bit

Ok, well one of the best. Sheesh. Naruto's all I really watch and read as far as manga go. Can't really get into any other.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Ok, well one of the best. Sheesh. Naruto's all I really watch and read as far as manga go. Can't really get into any other.

me too because i did not call the best because i dont like things like naruto's devotion to sasuke , he could finish him off at the bridge and plus get the girl he loves and move on
D:

Edited by dovahkiin, 31 May 2012 - 03:17 PM.

[Dalton.T.R]

me too because i did not call the best because i dont like things like naruto's devotion to sasuke , he could finish him off at the bridge and plus get the girl he loves and move on
D:

Yeah, Kishi's dragging the story on for too long if you ask me.

[Gravenimage]

Yeah, Kishi's dragging the story on for too long if you ask me.

If you think that's long what about Oda with One Piece? when his manga reached ch 600 he said that the story is "half way" done that means the manga won't end for at least another 500 chapters.

[Paptala]

1. "Why did she do it? Why did she jump out there alone and try and fight the guy that just flattened the village like a pancake?" I've already discussed this before, but Sakura's expression was not directed at Hinata as a person. It was a realization that other people like Naruto too. It was not resentment or stupid jealousy. It was a thoughtful moment for Sakura and made her reflect on Naruto in general.

Hinata seems to love Naruto as she jumped out there and and risked her life for him, maybe she should do the same? Will others do the same for Naruto too? If Hinata's confession influenced Sakura at all during her confession, all it did was encourage her to go and risk her life to kill Sasuke for Naruto's sake, which is far fetched.

I don't quite agree with your interpretation of that moment in 442. I definitely agree its not jealousy or resentment (those aren't the emotions that she's showing at all). But I do think that she was bothered by the realization of how strong Hinata's love for Naruto was, and she probably couldn't even fully figure out why. I think this ties more into her subconscious feelings for Naruto that she has yet to fully realize, and her own insecurities. Maybe she's a bit scared that she'll lose Naruto to Hinata as a companion, simply because she is not so confident in herself and her contributions to him ("I can only do the dumbest things for Naruto"). And here is Hinata, nearly dying to protect him. But then that wouldn't fit as well with Sakura thinking, "Hinata loves Naruto," rather than "Hinata, for Naruto you..." --> Sakura's thoughts have been translated both ways, the first having more "shippy" connotations (because she's bothered by Hinata's love for Naruto), and then other fits in more with your explanation, having more general connotations about Sakura's own insecurities (because she's bothered by Hinata's actions in comparison to her own).

I think that realiztion could have possibly had /some/ influence on her hugging Naruto in front of everyone the very next time she saw him (maybe reassuring herself of their bond), though that was definitely mostly relief at seeing him alright and gratitude for saving them.

Either way, I do think that moment was another very subtle reminder from Kishimoto that Sakura has romantic feelings for Naruto. I mean, no matter how nice or mature of a person you are, its natural to not like realizing someone else is in love with the person that you love, especially when you are rather insecure in your own worth to begin with (see Hinata's emphasized visual silence when looking at Sakura hugging Naruto - nothing major, just little things to show that the characters are not 100% okay with what they are seeing/realizing).

Edited by Paptala, 31 May 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[Jake]

4. I absolutely have to disagree with this one. I'm sure Naruto being Minato's son will have both positive and negative influence on Sakura's character. By human nature, and being a teenage girl. She's going to experience some brief awe-raging-hormone sensation about Naruto being born from the passing Yodaime Hokage and a war hero. And negativity, she's going to be more hurtful for she'd done to Naruto in the past, realizing that she was berating and hitting the Yandaime's son all this time, while she was fangirling a traitor all this time, without knowing what family Naruto came from.

I don't see any thing positive about it because if it take her learning that Naruto is the Fourth Hoakge's son for her to get with him then people will be calling her something like a gold digger or a social climber, nothing good can come of this.



Also on a totally different note, this is my 100th post.

[Living Lavish]

I don't quite agree with your interpretation of that moment in 442. I definitely agree its not jealousy or resentment (those aren't the emotions that she's showing at all). But I do think that she was bothered by the realization of how strong Hinata's love for Naruto was, and she probably couldn't even fully figure out why. I think this ties more into her subconscious feelings for Naruto that she has yet to fully realize, and her own insecurities. Maybe she's a bit scared that she'll lose Naruto to Hinata as a companion, simply because she is not so confident in herself and her contributions to him ("I can only do the dumbest things for Naruto"). And here is Hinata, nearly dying to protect him. But then that wouldn't fit as well with Sakura thinking, "Hinata loves Naruto," rather than "Hinata, for Naruto you..." --> Sakura's thoughts have been translated both ways, the first having more "shippy" connotations (because she's bothered by Hinata's love for Naruto), and then other fits in more with your explanation, having more general connotations about Sakura's own insecurities (because she's bothered by Hinata's actions in comparison to her own).

I think that realiztion could have possibly had /some/ influence on her hugging Naruto in front of everyone the very next time she saw him (maybe reassuring herself of their bond), though that was definitely mostly relief at seeing him alright and gratitude for saving them.

Either way, I do think that moment was another very subtle reminder from Kishimoto that Sakura has romantic feelings for Naruto. I mean, no matter how nice or mature of a person you are, its natural to not like realizing someone else is in love with the person that you love, especially when you are rather insecure in your own worth to begin with (see Hinata's emphasized visual silence when looking at Sakura hugging Naruto - nothing major, just little things to show that the characters are not 100% okay with what they are seeing/realizing).

What? Hinata didn't show any hurt over Sakura hugging Naruto. she gave them a warm smile witch is a good thing! lol. there was nothing to suggest she was upset. That scene showed me more then anything that Hinata will be ok and happy for both of them if Naruaku happens.

When you say ''I think this ties more into her subconscious feelings for Naruto that she has yet to fully realize, and her own insecurities''

Is your point that its both those things Sakura is bothered and sad with in that scene?

I agree about what you said about Sakura its so obvious she was bothered about Hinatas love for Naruto.

EDIT: Also do you think when Sakura said "Hinata, for Naruto you..'' its basically saying ''Hinata loves Naruto,''?
because Naruto said the same words about Sakura for Sasuke in her confession to him. its refering to ''love'' or ''like''. Japanese are said to understand what this means when they see sentences like this.

Edited by Living Lavish, 31 May 2012 - 07:03 PM.

[kidNinja]

What? Hinata didn't show any hurt over Sakura hugging Naruto. she gave them a warm smile witch is a good thing! lol. there was nothing to suggest she was upset. That scene showed me more then anything that Hinata will be ok and happy for both of them if Naruaku happens.

When you say ''I think this ties more into her subconscious feelings for Naruto that she has yet to fully realize, and her own insecurities''

So do you mean thats what the scene meant? its both those things?

I agree about what you said about Sakura its so obvious she was bothered about Hinatas love for Naruto.

EDIT: also when Sakura said ''Hinata loves Naruto," or "Hinata, for Naruto you..'' there the same. Naruto said the same words about Sakura for Sasuke in her confession to him. its refering to love without actually saying the word. Japanese are said to understand what this means.

http://manga.animea....450-page-5.html

[Living Lavish]

http://manga.animea....450-page-5.html

yup shes smiling at a romantic moment

Edited by Living Lavish, 31 May 2012 - 06:58 PM.

[Dalton.T.R]

If you think that's long what about Oda with One Piece? when his manga reached ch 600 he said that the story is "half way" done that means the manga won't end for at least another 500 chapters.

I don't read One Piece, but that's way too long of a story imo. I wonder how many pieces of paper these guys have thrown away in their life times...?

[Gravenimage]

I don't read One Piece, but that's way too long of a story imo. I wonder how many pieces of paper these guys have thrown away in their life times...?

Kishi and Oda won't know the answer to that one, there's no accurate number.

[Dalton.T.R]

Kishi and Oda won't know the answer to that one, there's no accurate number.

Imma guess 10,000 just for the heck of it lawls!

[Paptala]

What? Hinata didn't show any hurt over Sakura hugging Naruto. she gave them a warm smile witch is a good thing! lol. there was nothing to suggest she was upset. That scene showed me more then anything that Hinata will be ok and happy for both of them if Naruaku happens.

I wasn't suggesting that Hinata wouldn't be happy for Naruto, just that she's not 100% completely okay with it. I was just using that to show that even if a character is nice and mature, even she wouldn't be completely okay with seeing demonstrations of strong feelings for the person she is in love with.

The dots in Hinata's speech bubble indicated that Hinata's feelings still had some stuff left to cover later in the manga (which is true, considering Kishi is once again visting them in the war) - I originally thought that that moment was closure for Hinata's romantic feelings for Naruto, but apparently I was wrong, and the dots did indicate it was going to be touched upon again.

When you say ''I think this ties more into her subconscious feelings for Naruto that she has yet to fully realize, and her own insecurities''

Is your point that its both those things Sakura is bothered and sad with in that scene?

I agree about what you said about Sakura its so obvious she was bothered about Hinatas love for Naruto.

EDIT: Also do you think when Sakura said "Hinata, for Naruto you..'' its basically saying ''Hinata loves Naruto,''?
because Naruto said the same words about Sakura for Sasuke in her confession to him. its refering to ''love'' or ''like''. Japanese are said to understand what this means when they see sentences like this.

It could be both. "Hinata, for Naruto you..." is the completely literal translation of Sakura's thoughts ("Hinata...Naruto no koto ga..."), but given that love confessions are typically worded "[insert name] anata/anta no koto ga suki/daisuki desu", then Sakura's thought is just missing the "ga suki/daisuki" (love) part. It could be read either way.