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[咲耶姫]

Also the difference between shonen like Fairy Tail/One Piece and Naruto is that while you said Naruto was too focused on the Nakama thing, I, on the contrary, feel that in Naruto, his friends are too treated as accessories, look at the last joined attack they made with the Kyuubi cloak... There bond is less deep than in shonen like One Piece where the hero is always with his friends during the journey. Naruto is more individual compared to Luffy or Natsu which is kind of paradoxal considering his rejection of being lonely. He's often alone to improve his abilities: his trip with Jiraya to learn the Rasengan, then his second trip with Jiraya during 2 and a half year, when he's learning sage mode on Mount Myuboku, and with Killer Bee to control Kyuubi. He's rarely with the Rookies who are supposed to be his Nakama like in Luffy's crew in One Piece. 

 

But here, I don't say it's a bad thing, I'm not bothered by that. But still...

 

I'm not sure if I explained well enough how I fellabout that aspect, I'm myself kind of confused about that.

Edited by 咲耶姫, 09 November 2013 - 04:18 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well every series have a different target, and to be honest, I find it ironic about you saying nakama thing while this arc is actually the only time it focuses on that as the two series you mentioned have nothing but nakama. Though to be fair and truthfully from my opinion, One Piece also have a theme within different arcs, just the heroes themselves often portray nakama, but as for characters within, they're different. Fairy Tail is for the most part all about nakama. I guess that's why people often joke about nakama is the god tool, but for me, I just go with the ride.

[Hanabi]

I saw this in a nf thread.

 

 [If Sakura couldn't force herself to love Naruto in the first place, what makes you think she could develop feelings for him?]

 

Any thoughts about this?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I saw this in a nf thread.
 
 [If Sakura couldn't force herself to love Naruto in the first place, what makes you think she could develop feelings for him?]
 
Any thoughts about this?

That has nothing to do with natural love though. She was going for one goal: take off the burden from Naruto. That's the problem in the first place for Naruto. He doesn't want her to feel forced because of Sasuke is gone, rather decide it on her own with Sasuke. Develop it naturally, but again, Naruto doesn't know Sakura was going through developments with Naruto, hence his surprises and obliviousness to her move.

Want to know what's force? Try 635. You're welcome.

[sushi.]

I saw this in a nf thread.

 

 [If Sakura couldn't force herself to love Naruto in the first place, what makes you think she could develop feelings for him?]

 

Any thoughts about this?

"Not ready yet".

 

That's all.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I saw this in a nf thread.

 

 [If Sakura couldn't force herself to love Naruto in the first place, what makes you think she could develop feelings for him?]

 

Any thoughts about this?

 

How about love isn't something you force? That seems kind of obvious to me, you can't just 'force' yourself to feel romantically for a person.

[rikakim94]

You're right about One Piece, but still, all the people I know who have dropped Naruto said it was because it was too simple and never took any risk, always going by the simple road and always the same way to defeat an enemy: I understand you, we're the same etc... It was the case for Gaara, Nagato, Obito, the only one who resists it is Sasuke by saying: we're not the same, you can't understand me!

That's what my friends and the media gives to explain the drop in sale. 

There are too many mistakes in the writing choice, that's the main problem. Just the fact that we can find a lot of different reasons to drop the manga proves it. 

 

Naruto has been dropping in sales lately?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Actually, this has been talk about the digital rising and AoT rising that didn't decrease sales, rather stole it. I mean if you keep up the news, that AoT is selling like hot cake. Not in terms of numbers, but sale wise, it's like Call of Duty at the moment. Plus there hasn't been a new volume in a long time.

[咲耶姫]

 

Naruto has been dropping in sales lately?

 

In my country, yes, until recently, it was the best sale, but now, One Piece does better sales. Don't know about Japan. But I think that it's still the second best shonen sale after One Piece.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
In my country, yes, until recently, it was the best sale, but now, One Piece does better sales. Don't know about Japan. But I think that it's still the second best shonen sale after One Piece.

Well I don't know about your area so I can't speak. Here and Japan are stable, but AoT came in and take a huge push. I mean damn. Lol.

[咲耶姫]

Shingeki no Kyojin is a phenomen. It's the new manga that almost everyone loves. France got that phenomen too. Looks like it's international, some say it's the beggining of a new generation of shonen, it's not nekketsu anymore. The new one will be more dark, more like SHingeki no Kyojin, Death Note...

I have recently learned that Japan have a sort of crisis in manga, they have difficulties to create new things, it's always the same thing, so now they have to create new type, new kind of stories etc...

That's why Shingeki no Kyojin is so glorified. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Shingeki no Kyojin is a phenomen. It's the new manga that almost everyone loves. France got that phenomen too. Looks like it's international, some say it's the beggining of a new generation of shonen, it's not nekketsu anymore. The new one will be more dark, more like SHingeki no Kyojin, Death Note...
I have recently learned that Japan have a sort of crisis in manga, they have difficulties to create new things, it's always the same thing, so now they have to create new type, new kind of stories etc...
That's why Shingeki no Kyojin is so glorified. 

And that's why I came back to anime. Lol. But yeah, I think that's the effect for your country too. It's not to say everyone will drop Naruto or anything before it though that's their choice. It's just an understandable effect in marketing. But if they're in danger, well they're not. It's just the way it is. Though I do think it's the effect of CoD, not the effect of Blockbuster. What I mean is the popularity will always be there, just the numbers will be more or less. The latter, however, means the glory of brand new stuff is so grand that it killed the other one.

[KnS]

The problem with Naruto is that people have too much expectation in this manga. You have to constantly keep in mind that it’s a shonen directed toward young boy who are like twelve years old. So of course, everything is always simple the resolution to the problems are always easy and there gonna be some details that doesn’t make sense like the fact that Obito was older than Kakashi and Gai during his Kyuubi invasion.

 

I don't consider it an inconsistency that Obito seemed "older" during the Kyubi invasion or when he fought Minato.  When we first read that flashback, we didn't know for sure who he was and the expectation was that he was someone older based on his cleverness and capability against Minato.  However, in retrospect we know it was teenaged Obito, and the perception that the masked man who appeared that night was someone older could be explained by the emotional influences of his own pain and Madara, and the physical differences created when Obito's body was made complete by Zetsu.

 

I saw this in a nf thread.

 

 [If Sakura couldn't force herself to love Naruto in the first place, what makes you think she could develop feelings for him?]

 

Any thoughts about this?

 

Sakura should have forced herself?  That's a ridiculous argument.  As I've said out here before, love is "friendship caught fire" and that's exactly where Sakura is headed with Naruto. 

 

Besides, the argumentative question that was posed is a deflection (as usual) because they aren't asking, "If Naruto couldn't force himself to love Hinata in the first place, what makes you think he could develop feelings for her?"

 

Good grief.  x__X

Edited by KnS, 09 November 2013 - 05:52 PM.

[rikakim94]

Shingeki no Kyojin is a phenomen. It's the new manga that almost everyone loves. France got that phenomen too. Looks like it's international, some say it's the beggining of a new generation of shonen, it's not nekketsu anymore. The new one will be more dark, more like SHingeki no Kyojin, Death Note...

I have recently learned that Japan have a sort of crisis in manga, they have difficulties to create new things, it's always the same thing, so now they have to create new type, new kind of stories etc...

That's why Shingeki no Kyojin is so glorified. 

 

Does anyone know twlightlink21xx? he's a ns supporter and a manga reviewer he had a video up about 4 mouths ago that was talking about how the manga crisis is affecting japan one of them was the genre shonen. He goes on to say how shonen jump might be endangered of extinction due to another rise in a genre called moe .

 

Heres a link for that video if anyone wants to watch it. : http://www.youtube.c...UMBx-yGzjq4_msQ

Edited by rikakim94, 09 November 2013 - 05:55 PM.

[rikakim94]

Shingeki no Kyojin is a phenomen. It's the new manga that almost everyone loves. France got that phenomen too. Looks like it's international, some say it's the beggining of a new generation of shonen, it's not nekketsu anymore. The new one will be more dark, more like SHingeki no Kyojin, Death Note...

I have recently learned that Japan have a sort of crisis in manga, they have difficulties to create new things, it's always the same thing, so now they have to create new type, new kind of stories etc...

That's why Shingeki no Kyojin is so glorified. 

 

Yeah thats an anime that everyone is obsessing over it. i,ll seen Some Ns supporters posting attack on titian pictures than anything thats naruto related these days. Plus i heard most naruto fans are abandoning the naruto fanbase due to lack of enjoyment of the manga and the shipping drama.

Edited by rikakim94, 09 November 2013 - 05:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well that was the topic that I was in. Not that one video but it was in NF I believe. It's funny because a lot of new series, with little exceptions, got canceled or doesn't do well. Not to hate on Toriko because I don't know how is it, but if you know it's something SJ is pushing hard. That said the sale is rather weak and I mean weak. If you get the impression that it does more than Naruto, you're far wrong. I just checked and the newest entry got 100,000 radius. Naruto would be getting much more.

Case in point, the newer series get the most effect while the continuous series get the least effect. Not troubling but if Naruto ends, SJ will be in trouble. One Piece ends, end of the world inbound.

[咲耶姫]

 

Does anyone know twlightlink21xx? he's a ns supporter and a manga reviewer he had a video up about 4 mouths ago that was talking about how the manga crisis is affecting japan one of them was the genre shonen. He goes on to say how shonen jump might be endangered of extinction due to another rise in a genre called moe .

 

Heres a link for that video if anyone wants to watch it. : http://www.youtube.c...UMBx-yGzjq4_msQ

 

He's actually right. I heard that Japan economy is mostly based on the manga production, and due to the lack of diversity, even Japaneses people are begining to be tired (but to a minor extent). So yeah, it's kind of problematic. But a new era of manga is coming with Shingeki no Kyojin. They count on it to enhance their manga production and diffusion. 

 

And the fact that Naruto is begining to be dropped also come from the fact that its end is announced since years now and we can see that it's actually true, we see that it's near its end. So everyone apprehen it. 

The Naruto erosion seems to be more in the West than in Japan itself. I wonder why? Maybe Westerns fans are more demanding than japaneses fans.

Edited by 咲耶姫, 09 November 2013 - 06:04 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
He's actually right. I heard that Japan economy is mostly based on the manga production, and due to the lack of diversity, even Japaneses people are begining to be tired (but to a minor extent). So yeah, it's kind of problematic. But a new era of manga is coming with Shingeki no Kyojin. 
 
And the fact that Naruto is begining to be dropped also come from the fact that its end is announced since years now and we can see that it's actually true, we see that it's near its end. So everyone apprehen it. 

Like I said, SJ will be in trouble with Naruto being out. They should be glad that One Piece is staying because without that, oh man, bye bye. But you know, it's good that Naruto is ending in the time that a new era is beginning as you like to say. That said it does make sense that SJ has been pushing hard on new series yet failed to meet expectations. Toriko is the victim. I do think they should push Assassination Classroom though. While I didn't read, I have checked and seen the rating and sales are actually pretty good. So yeah, let's see how this all goes.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Yeah thats an anime that everyone is obsessing over it. i,ll seen Some Ns supporters posting attack on titian pictures than anything thats naruto related these days. Plus i heard most naruto fans are abandoning the naruto fanbase due to lack of enjoyment of the manga and the shipping drama.

 

It's a pretty good manga, I only very recently got into Shingeki no Kyojin, but I'm already on chapter 30. I think my overall favorites though are still Pandora Hearts and Soul Eater, and I find myself liking more Kekkaishi as I read further into it. I think I'll be a little sad once I finish.

[rikakim94]

 

It's a pretty good manga, I only very recently got into Shingeki no Kyojin, but I'm already on chapter 30. I think my overall favorites though are still Pandora Hearts and Soul Eater, and I find myself liking more Kekkaishi as I read further into it. I think I'll be a little sad once I finish.

 

I would get into that anime/manga if it didn't had to much gore, but i did enjoy the first few chapters of that series.

 

Not only is attack on titian that's getting popular there's this swimming anime that's popular to.