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[BlueStarSaber]

Is it weird to think that all the NS parallels are what would happen if the story went differently?

 

ObiRin = What happens if Sakura dies and Naruto ended up alone.

 

Yahiko and Konan = What happens if Naruto died and Team 7 was left to follow their own dreams with Sakura becoming a little cold due to his death.

 

Tsunade and Jiraiya = What would happen if Sakura and Naruto never told each other how they truly felt and lived their lives. Naruto never marries and goes after woman to suit his peversion, but doesn't marry because Sakura is the only girl for him. Sakura goes on to many sutors, but secretly admits she wants to be with Naruto.

 

Minato and Kushina = What happens if Sasuke never existed and the story progressed naturally leading to the couple getting together almost flawlessly.
 

 

Im not sure if anyone read this http://kohaya7kae-13...ation-375234658 but it appears the Sakura of the RTN Universe hated Sasuke.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 08 November 2013 - 10:15 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Im not sure if anyone read this http://kohaya7kae-13...ation-375234658 but it appears the Sakura of the RTN Universe hated Sasuke.

KInd of weid i dont know if Menma like Sakura or loved her, i mean Hinata says that Sakura always make moves on Menma, and hates Sasuke because of his playboy behavior and Sasuke plays on Sakura because she's kind like a trophy to him she doesnt turn on his way like the other girls.

 

For some reason i feel like Naruto is like indifferent when it comes to girls but Sakura is the main character of the AU! world.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 November 2013 - 10:27 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

KInd of weid i dont know if Menma like Sakura or loved her, i mean Hinata says that Sakura always make moves on Menma, and hates Sasuke because of his playboy behavior and Sasuke plays on Sakura because she's kind like a trophy to him she doesnt turn on his way like the other girls.

 

Well given that this was the same universe as RTN and Menna's parents asked and teased Naruto about Sakura it would implie that he has romantic feelings for her.

[TouKen4Life3g]

To me I see it as they're definitely good friends. Yeah, it does feel like Sakura is the main character status there. I mean when Au! Hinata sees them or anything they say about them pisses her off. Like "Menma" would wait for Sakura, and Hinata just get pissed. Plus, Au! Ino seems to suggest that Menma is a nice guy still. So at the very least, they're good friends.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Well given that this was the same universe as RTN and Menna's parents asked and teased Naruto about Sakura it would implie that he has romantic feelings for her.

I dont know i think Kushina enjoys poking fun at Naruto, i felt that Naruto's parents were similar in a way to Sakura's parents on the AU, Sakura's father always makes jokes of her while Kushina makes jokes of Naruto.

By putting him on embrassing situations like that and due to how Sakura loves menma which is suggested and if Naruto loves Sakura on the Au world they would already be a couple.
But i do think Menma is indifferent or didnt have noticed but he should be already noticed that since he's like a carbon copy of Minato on the AU! and he's blonde not black hair i dont get why all those black hair fanfics since when his control was lifted he returned to his normal self, since Sakura is like the main character of the AU!world and how the stuff works around her.

 

Ino sounds like her sister, Hinata is likely to be her rival, Menma is her love interest and so on...

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 November 2013 - 10:37 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

To me I see it as they're definitely good friends. Yeah, it does feel like Sakura is the main character status there. I mean when Au! Hinata sees them or anything they say about them pisses her off. Like "Menma" would wait for Sakura, and Hinata just get pissed. Plus, Au! Ino seems to suggest that Menma is a nice guy still. So at the very least, they're good friends.

 

Yeah they are that at least.

I dont know i think Kushina enjoys poking fun at Naruto, i felt that Naruto's parents were similar in a way to Sakura's parents on the AU, Sakura's father always makes jokes of her while Kushina makes jokes of Naruto.

By putting him on embrassing situations like that and due to how Sakura loves menma which is suggested and if Naruto loves Sakura on the Au world they would already be a couple.
But i do think Menma is indifferent or didnt have noticed but he should be already noticed that since he's like a carbon copy of Minato on the AU! and he's blonde not black hair i dont get why all those black hair fanfics since when his control was lifted he returned to his normal self, since Sakura is like the main character of the AU!world and how the stuff works around her.

 

Ino sounds like her sister, Hinata is likely to be her rival, Menma is her love interest and so on...

 

I guess, maybe Menna just does not know how to express his feelings.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Yeah they are that at least.

 

I guess, maybe Menna just does not know how to express his feelings.

My bet is that while Naruto on the original multiverse work hard to win Sakura's love over on the AU's it's Sakura who's working hard to win Menma's over, menma probably doesnt love anyone much like Kushina did when it comes to her past before she fell in love with Minato.
They are good friends obviously and aare used to stick together around the village but i dont think Menma loves Sakura but i guess that AU!Sakura is working to make him love her for the reason AU!Ino said very well.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 November 2013 - 10:46 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

My bet is that while Naruto on the original multiverse work hard to win Sakura's love over on the AU's it's Sakura who's working hard to win Menma's over, menma probably doesnt love anyone much like Kushina did when it comes to her past before she fell in love with Minato.
They are good friends obviously and aare used to stick together around the village but i dont think Menma loves Sakura but i guess that AU!Sakura is working to make him love her for the reason AU!Ino said very well.

 

That could be it. Man the more I hear from this RTN Universe the more I want to know about it.

[redragon88]

I think it was talked about before of the possibility that Menma and AU Sakura have a sort of reverse role when compared to Naruto and Sakura when it comes to expressing their feelings. I mean, they already switched their roles in the village with AU Sakura being the orphan of heroes while Menma is the guy with an ordinary family.

 

It's possible that AU Sakura is the one who is forward about wanting to go out with Menma (which is why AU Ino and AU Hinata are shocked when original Sakura shows an interest in AU Sasuke), while Menma is the one who's confused about whether or not he likes AU Sakura.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Someone should greenlight this spin-off.

[Tokura Misaki]

The NarHin/Anti-NS arguments I've read on NF's debate thread like:
 
1. Naruto moved on his feelings from Sakura to Hinata.
Did Naruto ever showed that he loves Hinata? Sorry, this argument is completely void. It was confirmed on 631. He seriously considered Sakura as his girlfriend. She told him to shut up instead of telling him "no." He was even jealous of Sasuke saving Sakura from the obstacle.

2. Naruto held Hinata's hand romantically.
It's true that they were hand-holding during 615. It's romantic ONLY in Hinata's POV since she's the one who loves him BUT in Naruto's POV, it DOESN'T. Why? Because he's still has a romantic feelings for Sakura.

3. Naruto never say he loves Sakura.
Uhm...ooookay? Where's that come from? Fanfiction, perhaps. Seriously, this is the dumbest argument I've ever read. It has never been proven in both manga and anime.

 

4. For Naruto, Hinata is special among the rookies.

This is my first time to read this kind of argument. I don't understand this one. Hinata is one of the rookies that Naruto considers her as a friend and comrade like others are.

In overall, NarHin is being unfair to Naruto especially when it comes to his feelings. The manga is called "Naruto." If that's the title, then Naruto should do what he wants, not "Hinata." NarHin/Anti-NS loves twisting a facts. There's a saying that "truth hurts." Truth is very painful for NarHin/Anti-NS, isn't it?   That's because NaruSaku is the obvious pairing that Kishi will make it canon anyway.

Edited by sakutonaru, 09 November 2013 - 10:54 AM.

[Branden]

The NarHin/Anti-NS arguments I've read on NF's debate thread like:
 
1. Naruto moved on his feelings from Sakura to Hinata.
Did Naruto ever showed that he loves Hinata? Sorry, this argument is completely void. It was confirmed on 631. He seriously considered Sakura as his girlfriend. She told him to shut up instead of telling him "no." He was even jealous of Sasuke saving Sakura from the obstacle.

2. Naruto held Hinata's hand romantically.
It's true that they were hand-holding during 615. It's romantic ONLY in Hinata's POV since she's the one who loves him BUT in Naruto's POV, it DOESN'T. Why? Because he's still has a romantic feelings for Sakura.

3. Naruto never say he loves Sakura.
Uhm...ooookay? Where's that come from? Fanfiction, perhaps. Seriously, this is the dumbest argument I've ever read. It has never been proven in both manga and anime.

 

4. For Naruto, Hinata is special among the rookies.

This is my first time to read this kind of argument. I don't understand this one. Hinata is one of the rookies that Naruto considers her as a friend and comrade like others are.

In overall, NarHin is being unfair to Naruto especially when it comes to his feelings. The manga is called "Naruto." If that's the title, then Naruto should do what he wants, not "Hinata." NarHin/Anti-NS loves twisting a facts. There's a saying that "truth hurts." Truth is very painful for NarHin/Anti-NS, isn't it?   That's because NaruSaku is the obvious pairing that Kishi will make it canon anyway.

Have you seen any other arguments? Perhaps more in depth ones?

Also, I would love to discuss these points but they aren't giving any evidence at all. Usually when you make an argument you have proof but in this case there's none. 

[咲耶姫]

The NarHin/Anti-NS arguments I've read on NF's debate thread like:
 
1. Naruto moved on his feelings from Sakura to Hinata.
Did Naruto ever showed that he loves Hinata? Sorry, this argument is completely void. It was confirmed on 631. He seriously considered Sakura as his girlfriend. She told him to shut up instead of telling him "no." He was even jealous of Sasuke saving Sakura from the obstacle.

2. Naruto held Hinata's hand romantically.
It's true that they were hand-holding during 615. It's romantic ONLY in Hinata's POV since she's the one who loves him BUT in Naruto's POV, it DOESN'T. Why? Because he's still has a romantic feelings for Sakura.

3. Naruto never say he loves Sakura.
Uhm...ooookay? Where's that come from? Fanfiction, perhaps. Seriously, this is the dumbest argument I've ever read. It has never been proven in both manga and anime.

 

4. For Naruto, Hinata is special among the rookies.

This is my first time to read this kind of argument. I don't understand this one. Hinata is one of the rookies that Naruto considers her as a friend and comrade like others are.

In overall, NarHin is being unfair to Naruto especially when it comes to his feelings. The manga is called "Naruto." If that's the title, then Naruto should do what he wants, not "Hinata." NarHin/Anti-NS loves twisting a facts. There's a saying that "truth hurts." Truth is very painful for NarHin/Anti-NS, isn't it?   That's because NaruSaku is the obvious pairing that Kishi will make it canon anyway.

 

1. Naruto moved on his feelings from Sakura to Hinata.
I don’t understand where this claim comes from. That’s not the first time I read this. It proves that NH fan mistakes what they wish with what they actually read. Not even once did Naruto ever show sign of romantic interest in Hinata. So how could you claim he moves on from Sakura to Hinata?

 

2. Naruto held Hinata's hand romantically.

The hand holding had a purpose: chakra transfer and even in this intense moment they shared, Naruto never showed a romantic sign. To me it had more a friendship vibe than a romantic one. Saying it was romantic is only an interpretation, nothing proves it. At least for Naruto, because her last lines in chapter 615 show that it was romantic from Hinata's perspective, but that's another story. 

3. Naruto never say he loves Sakura.
He may not have said it, but he clearly showed it. More than once : The Gaara fight, the promise of a lifetime, when he came back from his 2 and a half years of training, the vow to bring back Sasuke and protect Sakura, when Sai discovers his feelings for Sakura, his first reaction to Sakura’s confession (blush) and so on and on...

 

4. For Naruto, Hinata is special among the rookies.

He doesn’t do anything to treat her differently from the others. Again, it’s only a fandom’s wish.  They see him treating her like she’s special to him only in their imagination and they apply it directly in their way of interpreting what they read. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think I'm getting old on debating. Lol. But you know, Paptala made a great post on Naruto's feelings. Really, it's not even hard to figuring it out.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 November 2013 - 01:18 PM.

[Enkai]

For most of the fandom out there, "Naruhina" and "Hinata" have the same meaning.

 

Yeah it's just silly, I'm not even a Hinata fan but even I know the best development for her character would have been to resolve her feelings with Naruto earlier and then focus on the Hyuga clan. Even right now I don't believe she is good enough to be the head of the clan and that Neji is now dead and assuming he won't be brought back at the end of the arc that leaves only Hinata or Hanabi to lead the clan. I actually like Hanabi as she is similar to Neji but she is still too young to lead the clan.

 

I thnk the same, it's Hinata or SS shippers who side ship NH to increase their pairings chances, while as for SS i think they are mostly NH or Hinata for the very same reason.

 

Yeah I've seen that too NaruHina shippers supporting SS just so Sakura is out of the way for their pairing and vice versa lol I've even seen some shippers comment on YouTube saying they only watch the series just because of NaruHina and It's like how can someone watch a series for something that insignificant in comparison to the actual story. Also is it possible that the only reason Kishimoto has not closed up NaruHina completely is because of fans and any extra revenue it might be generating?

 

Is it weird to think that all the NS parallels are what would happen if the story went differently?

 

ObiRin = What happens if Sakura dies and Naruto ended up alone.

 

Yahiko and Konan = What happens if Naruto died and Team 7 was left to follow their own dreams with Sakura becoming a little cold due to his death.

 

Tsunade and Jiraiya = What would happen if Sakura and Naruto never told each other how they truly felt and lived their lives. Naruto never marries and goes after woman to suit his peversion, but doesn't marry because Sakura is the only girl for him. Sakura goes on to many sutors, but secretly admits she wants to be with Naruto.

 

Minato and Kushina = What happens if Sasuke never existed and the story progressed naturally leading to the couple getting together almost flawlessly.
 

 

Wow this is really interesting never thought of it but it makes so much sense. Only thing I guess I can fault is that perhaps a bit more development would have been nice between Naruto and Sakura.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I've seen that too NaruHina shippers supporting SS just so Sakura is out of the way for their pairing and vice versa lol I've even seen some shippers comment on YouTube saying they only watch the series just because of NaruHina and It's like how can someone watch a series for something that insignificant in comparison to the actual story. Also is it possible that the only reason Kishimoto has not closed up NaruHina completely is because of fans and any extra revenue it might be generating?

 

 

I dont see any problem with that, because i only read/watch Naruto because of NS and i dont have any problem with that, everyone who i know that was reading because of the series already dropped(on the begining of shippuuden) and even if i say that i read Naruto, i'm bashed.

One Piece > Naruto, Naruto is crap, and other common comentaries and etc...

 

I myself back and forth on the series i went on a hiatus three times on the series, on the part 1, part 2 on the begining and then during Sasuke/Itachi fight i took another hiatus.(to come back on Pain's arc)

And then once again i considered taking another Hiatus when i saw that Zetsu army, but didnt because i'm a shipper.

 

I myself if wasnt my shipping side would already have dropped when Kabuto ressurrected Madara.

And being honest NS is the only thing that has quality on the series the rest is crap for me.

 

Just look at the Naruto chapter thread, rarely there are chapters that we the majority enjoy but in all many many chapters are filled with complaints about bad writings, and pointing out things that doesnt make sense.
Even 654 had it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 November 2013 - 02:53 PM.

[咲耶姫]

The problem with Naruto is that people have too much expectation in this manga. You have to constantly keep in mind that it’s a shonen directed toward young boy who are like twelve years old. So of course, everything is always simple the resolution to the problems are always easy and there gonna be some details that doesn’t make sense like the fact that Obito was older than Kakashi and Gai during his Kyuubi invasion.

 

Like I heard in a talk show, when you read Naruto’s first volume, you don’t have to read the other to know how it’s gonna end and it’s true, you have all the elements in the first volume to know the end, his dream, his friends, his conflicts with Sasuke, his wish of being acknowledged. You already know he’s gonna be Hokage, with Sakura, friends with Sasuke and acknowledged by everyone who doubted him in the past.

 

And this lack of deepness in the série is what makes the people abandon Naruto: it’s too simple to the readers who are growing up. Just look at all the speculations that are done by the fans. How many came to be accurate? Sometimes, those speculations are sooo complicated I don’t even understand them.

 

That’s one of the reason why I believe in NaruSaku, the NH/SS theories are too worked on, they search for proves, they don’t pick them in the manga, that’s completely different. And that’s not easy enough for 12 years old kids. The only thing they would understand is that Hinata loves Naruto, Naruto loves Sakura, Sakura loves Sasuke and Sasuke loves none while Sakura has growing feelings for Naruto. And if NH/SS had to happen, they would ask themselves: Why did the hero surrendered on the girl he loves?

 

But personally, I’m not affected by this lack of deepness, I never expected Naruto to be that complex. By keeping in mind that everything will always go by the simple road, you won’t be disappointed. And that’s my case. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The problem with Naruto is that people have too much expectation in this manga. You have to constantly keep in mind that it’s a shonen directed toward young boy who are like twelve years old. So of course, everything is always simple the resolution to the problems are always easy and there gonna be some details that doesn’t make sense like the fact that Obito was older than Kakashi and Gai during his Kyuubi invasion.

 

Like I heard in a talk show, when you read Naruto’s first volume, you don’t have to read the other to know how it’s gonna end and it’s true, you have all the elements in the first volume to know the end, his dream, his friends, his conflicts with Sasuke, his wish of being acknowledged. You already know he’s gonna be Hokage, with Sakura, friends with Sasuke and acknowledged by everyone who doubted him in the past.

 

And this lack of deepness in the série is what makes the people abandon Naruto: it’s too simple to the readers who are growing up. Just look at all the speculations that are done by the fans. How many came to be accurate? Sometimes, those speculations are sooo complicated I don’t even understand them.

 

That’s one of the reason why I believe in NaruSaku, the NH/SS theories are too worked on, they search for proves, they don’t pick them in the manga, that’s completely different. And that’s not easy enough for 12 years old kids. The only thing they would understand is that Hinata loves Naruto, Naruto loves Sakura, Sakura loves Sasuke and Sasuke loves none while Sakura has growing feelings for Naruto. And if NH/SS had to happen, they would ask themselves: Why did the hero surrendered on the girl he loves?

 

But personally, I’m not affected by this lack of deepness, I never expected Naruto to be that complex. By keeping in mind that everything will always go by the simple road, you won’t be disappointed. And that’s my case. 

One Piece is as shounen too but yet i dont see a lot of people dropping the series it's just a matter of thinking.
It's not about expecting too much.
There's stuff that take out the enjoyment of the manga like Naruto's obssession for Sasuke when the Akatsuki is hunting him.

Naruto went too far on the Nakama stuff for current Jump standards.

 

Kishimoto killing Jiraiya, i understand that it was for plot but Jiraiya was by far the only character who give high quality comical relief on the manga, the last jokes were lame, and even forced in a way, like Kyuubi saying that Naruto kissed a man(forced).

 

Even when Naruto and Sasuke confronted, when Hashirama did the right thing like killing Madara to protect the village, he was labelled as a failure, Naruto should have done the same speech he did to Nagato when he said that he would not let him involve everyone on his revenge path instead of telling him that they would die together.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 November 2013 - 03:59 PM.

[咲耶姫]

You're right about One Piece, but still, all the people I know who have dropped Naruto said it was because it was too simple and never took any risk, always going by the simple road and always the same way to defeat an enemy: I understand you, we're the same etc... It was the case for Gaara, Nagato, Obito, the only one who resists it is Sasuke by saying: we're not the same, you can't understand me!

That's what my friends and the media gives to explain the drop in sale. 

There are too many mistakes in the writing choice, that's the main problem. Just the fact that we can find a lot of different reasons to drop the manga proves it. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 09 November 2013 - 04:00 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You're right about One Piece, but still, all the people I know who have dropped Naruto said it was because it was too simple and never took any risk, always going by the simple road and always the same way to defeat an enemy: I understand you, we're the same etc... It was the case for Gaara, Nagato, Obito, the only one who resists it is Sasuke by saying: we're not the same, you can't understand me!

That's what my friends and the media gives to explain the drop in sale. 

There are too many mistakes in the writing choice, that's the main problem. Just the fact that we can find a lot of different reasons to drop the manga proves it. 

Agree, the first time i went o a hiatus says this too, Kishimoto created a complex situation by putting Akatsuki hunting Naruto, Naruto's promise to save Sasuke, and the Jinchuurikis being hunted too and needing help.

He went on the simple route y making Naruto ignore this and focusing only on Sasuke even when he's alone he's thinking about him like when they visit Kakashi or when they came back from the second rescue attempt, never for a second he think about the Akatsuki or the other jinchuurikis, it only was Sasuke and Sasuke.

The complex situation he creats in order to uses jutsus became totally ignored by he breaking his own rules when it's convenient, example Obito took a few seconds to seal the remaining chakras on the statue when it takes around 3 days, he just throw it inside and them Juubi is revived.

He threw Ginkaku and Kinkaku inside the statue without extracting the kyuubi chakra from them.
It gets simplified i know it's for 12 years old but 12 years old kids arent retarded.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 November 2013 - 04:07 PM.