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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

For most of the fandom out there, "Naruhina" and "Hinata" have the same meaning.

I thnk the same, it's Hinata or SS shippers who side ship NH to increase their pairings chances, while as for SS i think they are mostly NH or Hinata for the very same reason.

[Tokura Misaki]

Not to bash or anything.
 
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Is it just me that doesn't like the idea of ObiRin = NaruSaku? Yeah, I'm a hardcore NaruSaku fan since the beginning but.....

Anti-ObiRin

I dislike ObiRin. Obito made me dislike that pairing. He turns evil and wants to end the world for none other than Rin. Isn't that sound selfish?

I do agree that Team 7 = Team Minato but OR = NS is the only parallel that makes me disagree.

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I don't want to explain any further because I don't want to make it worse. I apologize if I offended anyone here.... 
 

For most of the fandom out there, "Naruhina" and "Hinata" have the same meaning.

 So true. It's very rare to see a Hinata fan that agrees with NaruSaku.
 

I thnk the same, it's Hinata or SS shippers who side ship NH to increase their pairings chances, while as for SS i think they are mostly NH or Hinata for the very same reason.

That's why NarHin and SasSak are allies so that NaruSaku will prevent from happening, which is ineffective. NaruSaku has still a very strong relationship unlike those two. SasSak did have a development but it's always negative. On the other hand, Hinata is the only reason why NarHin is still alive.

Edited by sakutonaru, 08 November 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Not to bash or anything.
 
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Is it just me that doesn't like the idea of ObiRin = NaruSaku? Yeah, I'm a hardcore NaruSaku fan since the beginning but.....

Anti-ObiRin

I dislike ObiRin. Obito made me dislike that pairing. He turns evil and wants to end the world for none other than Rin. Isn't that sound selfish?

I do agree that Team 7 = Team Minato but OR = NS is the only parallel that makes me disagree.

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I don't want to explain any further because I don't want to make it worse. I apologize if I offended anyone here.... 

I think it depends on the point of view, Obito obviously fell down but he wanst Naruto, Jiraiya give up and could not be happy because he could not save Orochimaru.

The same mindset applies to Naruto/Sasuku parallel.

 

However for Rin his love either made him drive into the darkness because he was weak and at the same time saved him from being swallowed by the Juubi, and it's the same reason why he's going to be redeemed.
Obito it's different than Naruto because Naruto has lots of different sources of power, there's his love for Sakura, team 7, the people who sacrificed their lives for him, his hokage dream and his friends.

 

Obviously he would be affected like Obito if Rin/Sakura dies but he wont give up however he would be unhappy because of a hole that cant be filled unless if he fall in love with someome else which would be unlikely.

[sushi.]

sakutonaru, ObiRin is not my favourite pairing either. For different reasons however. It's a small detail, but..the many pictures of her in his room kinda freaked me out. I don't hate it though, and I see now that Rin was more than a puppylove to Obito. I'm neutral.

 

I think it's important to divide ObiRin before tragedy, and Obirin after tragedy. Obito is a mentally unhealthy person, so it would be weird for him to still have a healthy love for Rin. He currently doesn't respect her feelings, decisions as a kunoichi etc., unlike what Naruto thinks of Sakura. I think that is the primary difference. But parallel =/= copy. Basic structure + history is similar, but if you dig deeper you'll find aspects that either make or break your liking of the ships.

 

Just like shipping ObiRin, yet not NaruSaku does not break the parallel, disliking ObiRin and shipping NaruSaku doesn't either. The key elements are clear.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

sakutonaru, ObiRin is not my favourite pairing either. For different reasons however. It's a small detail, but..the many pictures of her in his room kinda freaked me out. I don't hate it though, and I see now that Rin was more than a puppylove to Obito. I'm neutral.

 

I think it's important to divide ObiRin before tragedy, and Obirin after tragedy. Obito is a mentally unhealthy person, so it would be weird for him to still have a healthy love for Rin. He currently doesn't respect her feelings, decisions as a kunoichi etc., unlike what Naruto thinks of Sakura. I think that is the primary difference. But parallel =/= copy. Basic structure + history is similar, but if you dig deeper you'll find aspects that either make or break your liking of the ships.

 

Just like shipping ObiRin, yet not NaruSaku does not break the parallel, disliking ObiRin and shipping NaruSaku doesn't either. The key elements are clear.

I dont know what are you trying to imply here, even if Obito became evil he clearly respected her.

I only see one picture, and on which that's only a particularly, like Naruto and his date requests, it's something done for comic purposes.

Even before he respected her to a point that he drop his own confession much like Naruto prevents himself from confession because he hasnt fullfilled his promise, and even after it, he understood why she wanted to die but blamed the world for it not her decision.

Obito lost faith on the world after she died and Madara told him some truths, and it was obvious he had to lose to save her, in fact he died in order for her to live and Kakashi could protect her but Kakashi could not fullfill his promise and Rin chose to die to protect the village.

Now the reason why Obito fell into the darkness is that he was weaker than Naruto and Rin seemed as his only source of strenght alongside his desire to be hokage.

He lost both of them, Rin died and he saw his teacher who failed to protect his students became hokage.

 

And also when he was talking with Kakashi, he never implied that on a genjutsu world would force her to love him on this illusion world, you're making this assumption by yourself.

 

And no, i think disliking Obi/Rin and liking NS is a double standard much like disliking SS and shipping SK, on which is only my opinion, and i dont want to discuss this.

 

The difference however on parallels is that Obito was much like Sakura(in certain aspects like self confidence) than Naruto because it was always shown Rin supporting Obito and Rin seemed much more self confident than Sakura, she only had a flaw which was her love for Kakashi, while as for Sakura she has her love for Sasuke and her self confident issues and giving value to her mistakes more than the good things she does.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 November 2013 - 03:36 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I dont know what are you trying to imply here, even if Obito became evil he clearly respected her.

I only see one picture, and on which that's only a particularly, like Naruto and his date requests, it's something done for comic purposes.

Even before he respected her to a point that he drop his own confession much like Naruto prevents himself from confession because he hasnt fullfilled his promise, and even after it, he understood why she wanted to die but blamed the world for it not her decision.

Obito lost faith on the world after she died and Madara told him some truths, and it was obvious he had to lose to save her, in fact he died in order for her to live and Kakashi could protect her but Kakashi could not fullfill his promise and Rin chose to die to protect the village.

Now the reason why Obito fell into the darkness is that he was weaker than Naruto and Rin seemed as his only source of strenght alongside his desire to be hokage.

He lost both of them, Rin died and he saw his teacher who failed to protect his students became hokage.

 

And no, i think disliking Obi/Rin and liking NS is a double standard much like disliking SS and shipping SK, on which is only my opinion.

 

The difference however on parallels is that Obito was much like Sakura than Naruto because it was always shown Rin supporting Obito and Rin seemed much more self confident than Sakura, she only had a flaw which was her love for Kakashi, while as for Sakura she has her love for Sasuke and her self confident issues and giving value to her mistakes more than the good things she does.

 

I agree that losing Rin caused Obito the lose faith in the world, but I don't see Obito as respecting Rin's memory, it was even pointed out in the last chapter, that the man he has become is not the kind of person Rin would have stood behind, and in that way, he is disrespecting her in death. I least, in my opinion.

 

As for the bolded: I don't see either as a double standard, because people can have different reasons for liking one and disliking the other. In the example of SS and SK, (note that I don't ship either) what I would consider a double standard is justifying Sasuke almost killing Karin but saying because he tried to kill Sakura, the pairing can't happen. It is not okay for one but not the other, and trying to claim otherwise would be a double standard.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, what you guys said. Pretty much Obito didn't respect her sacrifice and contribute to her village. She did what she felt what's best. Kakashi was in denial state because he kept that promise with Obito, so in a way, there's no way around it. Like they said, once she enters Konoha, bijuu will attack asap. That's seriously risky. But back to Obito, she did a good thing when you are placed in her position, but he don't want to accept that. That's why Naruto in the last chapter ended with Rin will be watching him if she was there to say something now. That alone made him in full denial that all he has done was a horrible mistake, but he got lost in his own mind.

 

You don't have to like ObiRin, but you do have to understand the value and purpose of that relationship. For some reason, in many stories, it takes one important death to change a person. I can't really say if it's true or not, though any of us can't really say, but the point is something precious to us being taken away can really make us into a new person.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I agree that losing Rin caused Obito the lose faith in the world, but I don't see Obito as respecting Rin's memory, it was even pointed out in the last chapter, that the man he has become is not the kind of person Rin would have stood behind, and in that way, he is disrespecting her in death. I least, in my opinion.

 

As for the bolded: I don't see either as a double standard, because people can have different reasons for liking one and disliking the other. In the example of SS and SK, (note that I don't ship either) what I would consider a double standard is justifying Sasuke almost killing Karin but saying because he tried to kill Sakura, the pairing can't happen. It is not okay for one but not the other, and trying to claim otherwise would be a double standard.

No i dont see as disrespecting her death, obviously he became a type of guy that she would not stood behind him, however he think twice not because he was being "disrespectfull" like you pointed out but because he still deeply loved her and he knows that she would not love a guy like him.

Disrepecting her death, would be saying that the reason she died was wrong, that her beliefs were wrong and etc...

On reality he was just going to create another world on which he could be like a team once again with Kakashi, Rin and Minato but would live on peacefull world his mistake however is that he was being selfish to a point that he judged everyone and tried to force on them that the world should be like this.

 

That was a vow that Rin did to raise Obito's confidence much like Naruto's POAL to Sakura and the hospital moment who only served as a form for Sakura to train and become strong.

 

Sasuke said "i'm sorry" to Karin and that was enough to vanish the murder attempt and the reason why it will happen, in fact SK for me is worse than SS, Karin healed Sasuke when he needed the most all the times and when she needed his help he betrayed her and was going to finish her off.

So for me, it's worse and horrible but i understood why Karin is acting like this, she has no one else other than Team Taka, she has nowhere to go.

And i dont want to discuss SS vs SK and stuff like this, in fact it's only a personal opinion but i stand with my point that is double standard and even hipocrit in a way but it's personal preference and i those things arent meant to be debated.

Just like people ship NH when they have 0 chemistry, and it's based mostly on Hinata saying "Naruto-kun" while panels are almost empty and claiming things like "Sakura will never stop loving Sasuke but Naruto wil stop loving Sakura", or saying "Minato knows nothing about NaruSaku bond" but either if Minato did a NH comment they would claim the otherwise.

Pairings for me are just a matter of personal preference on which both fandoms will want to see what they want to see in terms of looking for proofs there are people who think and some cares little about double standard in fact i dont know what's worse "Console wars" or "Pairings wars".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 November 2013 - 03:56 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

No i dont see as disrespecting her death, obviously he became a type of guy that she would not stood behind him, however he think twice not because he was being "disrespectfull" like you pointed out but because he still deeply loved her and he knows that she would not love a guy like him.

Disrepecting her death, would be saying that the reason she died was wrong, that her beliefs were wrong and etc...

 

That was a vow that Rin did to raise Obito's confidence much like Naruto's POAL to Sakura and the hospital moment who only served as a form for Sakura to train and become strong.

 

Sasuke said "i'm sorry" to Karin and that was enough to vanish the murder attempt and the reason why it will happen, in fact SK for me is worse than SS, Karin healed Sasuke when he needed the most all the times and when she needed his help he betrayed her and was going to finish her off.

So for me, it's worse and horrible but i understood why Karin is acting like this, she has no one else other than Team Taka, she has nowhere to go.

And i dont want to discuss SS vs SK and stuff like this, in fact it's only a personal opinion but i stand with my point that is double standard and even hipocrit in a way but it's personal preference and i those things arent meant to be debated.

Just like people ship NH when they have 0 chemistry.

 

I suppose that makes sense. Really I'm not particularly for or against Obito/Rin, and I think they had a sweet relationship pre-Obito's 'death', but I don't support the pairing because of the way Obito's 'love' has become so twisted and his justification to do the horrible things he's done to 'get back at the world', more or less.

And like I said, I don't ship or support SasuSaku or SasuKarin, so I wasn't trying to defend either pairing, just that the people who ship one and not the other are not by definition hypocrites.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 08 November 2013 - 03:59 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I suppose that makes sense. Really I'm not particularly for or against Obito/Rin, and I think they had a sweet relationship pre-Obito's 'death'.

And like I said, I don't ship or support SasuSaku or SasuKarin, so I wasn't trying to defend either pairing, just that the people who ship one and not the other are not by definition hypocrites.

I'm not defining them as hypocrites i just said it clearly that it was based on personal preference.

 

ANd there's no justificative for me to ship it logically other than personal preference, people can claim "Karin is a Uzumaki", "Sasuke apologized to Karin" as form to justify shipping this pairing because justifying based on the manga, is unjustificable other than saying "i like them together".

On which i dont see any problem on saying this but i do see using "Sasuke apologized" and etc... to claim that it's going to happen when dislike SS for the very same reasons.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 November 2013 - 04:00 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I'm not defining them as hypocrites i just said it clearly that it was based on personal preference.

 

ANd there's no justificative for me to ship it logically other than personal preference, people can claim "Karin is a Uzumaki", "Sasuke apologized to Karin" as form to justify shipping this pairing because justifying based on the manga, is unjustificable other than saying "i like them together".

 

I understand. And anyways, I don't want to argue or get into a debate that will only run around in circles.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sheesh, if Naruto wants Obito to be his old self, he should let him know that the only exceptional shortcut is love and he must find someone similar to who he has gotten. Who knows, it could be a Hyuuga.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sheesh, if Naruto wants Obito to be his old self, he should let him know that the only exceptional shortcut is love and he must find someone similar to who he has gotten. Who knows, it could be a Hyuuga.

HAHAHAHA.

Naruto - However i filled up my hole with a hyuuga.

Obito - You're a genius, i never thought of that, but Hinata is now mine.

Naruto - No she's mine!.

 

That reminds me of this sorry.

[Hanabi]

For most of the fandom out there, "Naruhina" and "Hinata" have the same meaning.

actually.. i think so :0 she just revolve around naruto kun..

[redragon88]

HAHAHAHA.

Naruto - However i filled up my hole with a hyuuga.

Obito - You're a genius, i never thought of that, but Hinata is now mine.

Naruto - No she's mine!.

 

That reminds me of this sorry.

 

The passive aggressiveness in that poster is hilarious.

 

It reminds me of how plenty of NH/SS were praising 631 so much when it came out while discreetly avoiding any mention of the NS scene. Any time a worried fan brought up the subject the others immediately started doing damage control until the worried fan either left or pretended they were never concerned in the first place.

 

And the youtube reviewers, dear lord, you could sense their denial from a mile away. Neutral reviewers were able to bring up the NS scene in an objective manner, with plenty making reference to Kushina's comment about girls. On the other hand, NH/SS reviewers tried to mask their disappointment by being excessively energetic and brushing off the scene as "Kishi playing around with the pairing fandom" and "Just a typical Kishi comedy moment", and the ones who didn't act like that just avoided any mention of Sakura's involvement whatsoever in that chapter.

 

You can almost feel pity for those type of people, and in a way their like Obito. They can't handle the reality that's presented to them, therefore they have to imagine another one in which things do go how they wanted.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

The passive aggressiveness in that poster is hilarious.

 

It reminds me of how plenty of NH/SS were praising 631 so much when it came out while discreetly avoiding any mention of the NS scene. Any time a worried fan brought up the subject the others immediately started doing damage control until the worried fan either left or pretended they were never concerned in the first place.

 

And the youtube reviewers, dear lord, you could sense their denial from a mile away. Neutral reviewers were able to bring up the NS scene in an objective manner, with plenty making reference to Kushina's comment about girls. On the other hand, NH/SS reviewers tried to mask their disappointment by being excessively energetic and brushing off the scene as "Kishi playing around with the pairing fandom" and "Just a typical Kishi comedy moment", and the ones who didn't act like that just avoided any mention of Sakura's involvement whatsoever in that chapter.

 

You can almost feel pity for those type of people, and in a way their like Obito. They can't handle the reality that's presented to them, therefore they have to imagine another one in which things do go how they wanted.

It's still hard to avoid the trio of doom in that chapter though. I mean I always get roadbloack from others when it reached to Kushina-Sakura parallel. It's like the other way to counter is ignore it.

 

Not to be serious, but since Minato is the field, the plot armor for NS has started once again. No others included.

[BlueStarSaber]

Anyone here been a NH fan but changed to NS?

I have.

Anyway I here it's Mr Kishimoto's birthday today is this true?

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 08 November 2013 - 05:54 PM.

[rocci]

I agree with you darkrest.
NS parallel obirin, and for the first time kishi use a specific love. In this case romantic love.
For me, what happen to obito same with what happen to garra when yashamaru attack & kill in front of garra and when yahiko kill himself in front of nagato, aka the turning point event.

[James S Cassidy]

Is it weird to think that all the NS parallels are what would happen if the story went differently?

 

ObiRin = What happens if Sakura dies and Naruto ended up alone.

 

Yahiko and Konan = What happens if Naruto died and Team 7 was left to follow their own dreams with Sakura becoming a little cold due to his death.

 

Tsunade and Jiraiya = What would happen if Sakura and Naruto never told each other how they truly felt and lived their lives. Naruto never marries and goes after woman to suit his peversion, but doesn't marry because Sakura is the only girl for him. Sakura goes on to many sutors, but secretly admits she wants to be with Naruto.

 

Minato and Kushina = What happens if Sasuke never existed and the story progressed naturally leading to the couple getting together almost flawlessly.
 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Is it weird to think that all the NS parallels are what would happen if the story went differently?
 
ObiRin = What happens if Sakura dies and Naruto ended up alone.
 
Yahiko and Konan = What happens if Naruto died and Team 7 was left to follow their own dreams with Sakura becoming a little cold due to his death.
 
Tsunade and Jiraiya = What would happen if Sakura and Naruto never told each other how they truly felt and lived their lives. Naruto never marries and goes after woman to suit his peversion, but doesn't marry because Sakura is the only girl for him. Sakura goes on to many sutors, but secretly admits she wants to be with Naruto.
 
Minato and Kushina = What happens if Sasuke never existed and the story progressed naturally leading to the couple getting together almost flawlessly.
 

Wow, that's actually a good point. Also, many of them are mixed in into Naruto and Sakura respectively. Like mix with medic, with tsundere, with love on another guy, with dislike on the real men's man, with power strength, with scary factor, with some background traits, and with a caring person, we get Sakura! Mad scientist!