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#10921 HauntedCake

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:38 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 19 2013, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The databooks already give big hints.
As far as i remember it says that sasuke makes her feel like she wants to die and naruto gives her hope and new breath on life and something like that.
I remember the SS stuff in an earlier databook, number 2 i think.

All in all, it is fact that sakura thinks of naruto more then just a friend and we have more then enough evidence to proof this.


True, true. It says about sasuke giving her strength if i'm not mistaken

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:47 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 19 2013, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True, true. It says about sasuke giving her strength if i'm not mistaken

It's more like the fact he's gone gave her a reason to get strong: rescue him like Naruto. Her resolution is to protect Team 7, as stated long time ago. The only SS was the relationship; however, she has a connection with Naruto, which seems questionable as it has "..." because why would she go far for him. Pretty much, Team 7 having a happy ending is her most desire, then and now. The real question is who is she in love with. We are told about Sakura's love for Sasuke but it received a negative outlook. When talking about Naruto, it's positive with a comedy note (tsundere); however, it left us thinking "What is she feeling about Naruto?" The only answer is "Wait and see." The fact that Sakura doesn't know means we need her to confirm it once and for all.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:52 PM

Regardless of how you see it though, the last databook was something like 4-5 years ago wasn't it, and it can only take into account events that had taken place up to that time?

I think a 4th Databook would be handy, I think it's long overdue. Be interesting to see what the updated character bios would say, and I'd love to see the change in the characters stats ratings, too.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:02 PM

QUOTE (Quinny52 @ Feb 19 2013, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless of how you see it though, the last databook was something like 4-5 years ago wasn't it, and it can only take into account events that had taken place up to that time?

I think a 4th Databook would be handy, I think it's long overdue. Be interesting to see what the updated character bios would say, and I'd love to see the change in the characters stats ratings, too.

Yeah, though it seems like it won't happen again until the ending.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Quinny52 @ Feb 19 2013, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless of how you see it though, the last databook was something like 4-5 years ago wasn't it, and it can only take into account events that had taken place up to that time?

I think a 4th Databook would be handy, I think it's long overdue. Be interesting to see what the updated character bios would say, and I'd love to see the change in the characters stats ratings, too.

The last Databook (databook 3) is valid up to Volume 43.

Where itatchi dies

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:32 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 19 2013, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't twist my post as if I said that I'm against discussions in general.

I'm saying that why should we care to let a couple of comments influence our perspective of the video.


I didn't "twist your words". I was merely disagreeing with you that the NS fandom doesn't care about what the opposing fandom thinks, and I was speaking in a general sense, not the video specifically.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:35 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 19 2013, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, though it seems like it won't happen again until the ending.

It does leave you guessing why that is though

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:45 AM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ Feb 19 2013, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It does leave you guessing why that is though

Because NaruSaku will be canon. It's like a heads up from DB 3 and DB 4 will be solid. Yeah, I sound cocky, but my point is that it will update into a newer level. I can't see how it will just say, "Naruto is a good friend of Sakura. Turns out that she felt nothing special at all." That's just mez

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:06 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 20 2013, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because NaruSaku will be canon. It's like a heads up from DB 3 and DB 4 will be solid. Yeah, I sound cocky, but my point is that it will update into a newer level. I can't see how it will just say, "Naruto is a good friend of Sakura. Turns out that she felt nothing special at all." That's just mez

Cause apparently all the built up we got was just one giant tease the entire time. wink.gif No seriously though, I find NaruHina reasons to be pretty hilarious when they try to back them up/interpret them

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:43 AM

QUOTE (bthug @ Feb 19 2013, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay so just a couple of thing I noted and wanted to talk about.

Even as a Narusaku fan I believe that Sakura's confession was not sincere at least not as much as we'd like it to be. I believe Sakura said she had a plan to stop Naruto from chasing Sauke and then she confessed. Even after the confession she made sure to tell/ask him to stop chasing Sasuke.

Also no matter what Kate Higgins or other VA's think or say its going to come down to what happens in the Manga by Kishi, cause otherwise its not "legit".

Just a few question and concerns I liked to bring up
1)What happened in 615?
2)Also whats the status of Sakura and Saske and Naruto and Hinata (It hurts to type those two wretched things)
3)Finally where I left off was Sakura's confession so two sub questions from this
A) Are Naruto and Sakura cool with each other, cause it seemed as if Naruto was a little upset with Sakura (even though he saved her, which he would have done either way)
B) Do you think Sakura just really cares about Naruto as a friend or even loves him, but just as a friend?
4) In one chapter during the war a ninja who got hurt tried hitting on Sakura, she said she had someone special already and the next page was her thinking about Sasuke. ( even though I think we all though it would/should be Naruto) This is where my faith really got shaken
5) Also do you think if Sasuke becomes "good" Sakura will go back to him and if he dies Naruto will win by default? If Sasuke dies hopefully Sakura has already told Naruto that she loves him.

Srry about all the questions, they just eat me up all day lol. If we could breakdown and elaborate on each that would be awesom.


I'll gladly give you a response to these questions. I understand the doubt, I once had that myself. But let me explain to you why I'm amazingly unworried about all of those possibilities. Viola read me wink.gif :

1). 615 was a very impacting chapter for us and NH. You're very lucky you did not see how much this forum was in tatters on the dawn of 615. Trust me, it was pure Hell. sleep.gif What happened was that Naruto fell apart at the death of *bleep bleep*'s noble sacrifice, mostly because he promised himself he would let no one die. It was made even more dramatic when *bleep spoiler* died to protect Naruto and Hinata (Hinata was throwing herself in front of Naruto to protect him ... again. Trust me, it wasn't as dramatic as her confession). The main villain talked down to Naruto about failing to protect his friends. He takes this to heart and seems uncharacteristically hopeless, until Hinata (who was next to him where *bleep* died) slaps him lightly on the face. She has this long-winded speech about not giving up and leaving your friend's memories in vain, the entire time having her hand on his cheek (If it makes you feel better, Naruto didn't have a particularly moving expression while she was doing that). He still isn't really convinced until Kurama reminds him of others and then he gets back to normal. He thanks Hinata and holds her hand to give her chakra to power-up, preparing to fight.

Does this seem bad? At first glance, yes. However, the follow-up almost nullified any possible romantic intentions IMO. Right after he's finished, Naruto immediately lets go of her hand and gives his chakra to absolutely everyone else, not just Hinata. In other words, it was just trolling. Ch. 616 restored my confidence again.

2). SasuSaku status: Sasuke still hates the world, thinks nothing of Sakura. Sakura only thought of him during 540 after that love-letter scene, feeling obviously pained that she would dare feel the ways she does. Now she's confident and back to assisting Naruto, coming back from that low moment.

NaruHina status: Unfortunately, they have gotten a lot more focus in this War, much to my extreme annoyance. I hate NaruHina. Mostly, it's consistenting of Hinata developing as a character, fixing her previous underdevelopedness. Inspiring Naruto, her #1 idol she always wanted to acknowledge her, seems to fit the bill. Naruto still shows no signs of any reciprocation, he still treated like he would any friend. Basically, NaruHina's the same as it was with a little more weight into it.

3). Yay, Sakura's confession questions:
A). Naruto was definitely angry and hurt by Sakura's confession until Sai explained to him her true motivations and how she was trying to think of his feelings. Sakura was protecting him from being reckless and feeling the pressure of Sasuke's elimination. She was basically thinking of him so Naruto seemed to understand better why she did what she did. They had one interaction before he took off to Turtle Island and that was telling him Tsunade was alright. They were nice and friendly to each other, acting like nothing happened between them. I'm 99% sure Naruto still had that on his mind and was still questioning it, but knowing him, he'd just pretend the confession never happened and try to forget about it. Seems like what he's doing now tbh.
B). I think it may be possible Sakura sees him as only a friend, but only because it's Kishi and he can do absolutely anything he wants to. My firm opinion is the exact opposite. It's very obvious to me that she has romantic feelings for him and is falling in love with him. The 3rd Databook hinted confused feelings, strengthening NS's build-up. But besides that, scenes like the Part 2 Reunion scene (Obvious physical attraction for Sakura's side), the Feeding scene (odd look she gave him), and both hugs (1st= Startlingly physical in closeness and the distinct way she held his face ... everyones' reaction. A lot of blushing people, Lee's worried frown, 2nd= During the confession, I see that as a sign of physical attraction. She was blushing when she was hugging him, saying her words clear). Those imply more than friendship and all the more meaningful scenes: Unfinished sentence, 4-tails moment, oversensitivity to him and his well-being/feelings. No way any of this is friendship IMO.

4). I was worried about that too at first but then I realized something. Kishimoto told the audience bluntly through the 3rd databook she had "new feelings for him" and "she doesn't have an answer." It's basically saying Sakura knows there's more between her and Naruto then just friendship. She's aware they're "more than friends", but her big question mark is whether it's love or not. Romantic love. I bet you anything she's so confused by all this because the only love she's ever known romantically was for Sasuke and her relationship/the feelings Naruto gives her is very different from what she feels for Sasuke. Is this something to worry about? Not really. I don't believe she even knew true love before until she got so much closer to Naruto in Part 2. She loves Naruto and I mean truly loves him. She can't really compare her feelings for Sasuke to Naruto because what she feels for Naruto is more real. She just hasn't realized this to the full extent.

Basically, my argument here is that if she doesn't know she's falling in love with Naruto and still battling in her heart on whatever she's feeling for him, then he wouldn't be shown in 540. It's just plain out-of-place. Sakura thinks she loves Sasuke, yet really hates it and looks down on herself for it. After all, she likes someone who isn't a great guy. Y'know what this means? It means upcoming Sakura character development and the final stake in SS.

5). No, I don't think that at all. Want my proof? I actually want Sasuke to return to the village and live. Would someone who doubts herself want that to happen? laugh.gif It's already clear to me that Sakura loves Naruto more than she has ever loved Sasuke. With him, she's so much more selfless and self-sacrificing. She wasn't like that with Sasuke, even though she loved him a lot. Mostly, it was about what she wanted. When she's with Naruto, she feels like she doesn't deserve someone like him. But that's not it. Sakura's true feelings is that she would rather lose Sasuke than lose Naruto. Am I grasping at straws? No, not really. The foreshadowing of this was during the Tenchi Bridge. She couldn't watch himself trying so hard for him, she even pleaded to him that she would rescue Sasuke for him. It was not about herself. And then the confession. Big indicator at how much more Naruto means to her. Sakura refused to see him endanger himself for both her and Sasuke, she outright told him that. If Sasuke meant more to her, she would've killed him before coming to Naruto. But she did not, instead she went straight to him.

I always found a big interesting foreshadowing of this conflict regarding Sakura and the love she has for both of her teammates. Remember during the Tenchi Bridge arc when Naruto collasped after exhausting himself by going 4-tails? She immediately told Yamato they had to return to the village to stop and treat Naruto right away. Then he told her they'd have to leave him and Sakura got very angry. The ironic thing is she wasn't even thinking of finding Sasuke until Yamato warned her that it would be extremely difficult to be this close to Orochimaru and Sasuke again, the chances were slim. And the funny thing? Sakura was actually torn. She was torn between her worry/concern for Naruto's safety and her wish to bring Sasuke back. Sakura didn't even have an answer until Naruto reassured her he was fine.

I know it's small, but this inner conflict in that moment served as ironic/excellent foreshadowing of the point where she would actually love and care for Naruto more than Sasuke. By the confession, she had already transitioned to that point. It just took time to get there and time for her to realize it. So no, Naruto will not be second place to Sasuke in Sakura's heart. He already isn't, Naruto just needs to realize this.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:32 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 19 2013, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll gladly give you a response to these questions. I understand the doubt, I once had that myself. But let me explain to you why I'm amazingly unworried about all of those possibilities. Viola read me wink.gif :


xxRomanceGirlxx I don't know what else to tell you other then Thank You Very Much. To e honest I was posted this question and went to write and essay and I was extremely pumped to finish the essay then come read replies and I couldn't have asked for a better one, so again Thank You.

Now I believe you hit the nail on the head, with overall relationship, unlike other ppl in the world Sakura truly cares for Naruto and I mean truly, she understands where hes coming from and what hes going through. Hes more then this new bad ass ninja, he's Naruto.


You know whats tough for us NaurSaku fans. It seems like everything is against us NH, SS, and then the big thing the very ending itself.
The ending which to most is probably more important, then pairing, but if ur like me its more important or more so, tied into the ending of Naruto.
The big question is Death, the more I think about it, Naruto is a sad anime/manga and dying almost seems to fit into the story. I mean lets say Naruto dies, along with Sasuke, then no NS, lets say Sakura dies for Naruto/Sasuke, then no NS, lets say Naruto dies and Sakura finds some way to revive him at the cost of her life then no NS, or vice versa Sakura dies Naruto revives her, again no NS. All possibilities IMO(wish they weren't) Just feels like the world is against us.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:18 AM

I will read older posts later. I have to sleep for work. That said I just want to stop by here and say, there's a rumor as of now that Hashirama may have Toad Sage mode. Er...parallel much? It could change when I wake up, but for those who's waiting, yeah, discuss about this.

I see a great post above me and I look forward to reading it.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:21 AM

QUOTE (bthug @ Feb 20 2013, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
xxRomanceGirlxx I don't know what else to tell you other then Thank You Very Much. To e honest I was posted this question and went to write and essay and I was extremely pumped to finish the essay then come read replies and I couldn't have asked for a better one, so again Thank You.

Now I believe you hit the nail on the head, with overall relationship, unlike other ppl in the world Sakura truly cares for Naruto and I mean truly, she understands where hes coming from and what hes going through. Hes more then this new bad ass ninja, he's Naruto.


You know whats tough for us NaurSaku fans. It seems like everything is against us NH, SS, and then the big thing the very ending itself.
The ending which to most is probably more important, then pairing, but if ur like me its more important or more so, tied into the ending of Naruto.
The big question is Death, the more I think about it, Naruto is a sad anime/manga and dying almost seems to fit into the story. I mean lets say Naruto dies, along with Sasuke, then no NS, lets say Sakura dies for Naruto/Sasuke, then no NS, lets say Naruto dies and Sakura finds some way to revive him at the cost of her life then no NS, or vice versa Sakura dies Naruto revives her, again no NS. All possibilities IMO(wish they weren't) Just feels like the world is against us.

First of all that also counts for other pairings: naruto dies no NH, sakura dies no SS, hinata dies no NH, sasuke dies no SS.
Only difference is that theres a higher possibility for sasuke or hinata to die.
Next thing is that this manga has its sad parts but a lot of shonen got this, for me that means that it wont have a sad ending.
This manga is made for kids, so i doubt kishi killing off one of his main characters (at least not without beeing revived). If he really needs to kill a main character it will be sasuke since its not damaging the story, but for naruto and sakura i see no way.

As for how this story is written, i see no other option than a happy ending.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:53 AM

Hey guys kinda off topic but, in naruto the generations game, do they include sakuras confession?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

Just read chapter 621 and i think there is a clue as to what might happen in the future.

Hashirama says: " Bijuu is wearing susano'o as armour" maybe a teamup between Sasuke and Naruto incoming?



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:22 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 20 2013, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just read chapter 621 and i think there is a clue as to what might happen in the future.

Hashirama says: " Bijuu is wearing susano'o as armour" maybe a teamup between Sasuke and Naruto incoming?



And hashirama had the haruno mark on his FOREHEAD.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:22 PM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Feb 20 2013, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey guys kinda off topic but, in naruto the generations game, do they include sakuras confession?

That game barely contain anything. It was heavily rushed. Storm 3, there's a good chance.

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 20 2013, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just read chapter 621 and i think there is a clue as to what might happen in the future.

Hashirama says: " Bijuu is wearing susano'o as armour" maybe a teamup between Sasuke and Naruto incoming?



It's possible. The questions are who and when.

#10938 PhenixElite

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 20 2013, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just read chapter 621 and i think there is a clue as to what might happen in the future.

Hashirama says: " Bijuu is wearing susano'o as armour" maybe a teamup between Sasuke and Naruto incoming?



Its possible. Sasuke can stay a villain but team up with naruto to save the world, like orochimaru will do too.
Then after they defeated madara, naruto and sasuke got their final fight.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:41 PM

@HauntedCake you should post it in the chapter thread, it would be good to discuss it there happy.gif

Edited by Tsubaki, 20 February 2013 - 12:42 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Feb 20 2013, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@HauntedCake you should post it in the chapter thread, it would be good to discuss it there happy.gif

Yeah i guess so.. biggrin.gif

BTW: which anime episode has the part where Sakura dives off Sai's bird and smashes Naruto into the ground??

Edited by HauntedCake, 20 February 2013 - 12:47 PM.

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