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#10821 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:12 PM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Feb 18 2013, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol I agree, oh but, not to mention he cut his hand while opening a can of tuna.....uhu you heard me right a can of TUNA......'-_-

And actually masashi did say that sakura was honest with a suprising determination, and he said that sakura loved sasuke and naruto is close!!

Nuff' said.

When i see this, i just simply cant understand kishi i think this guy cant do interviews because first when he said that Sakura was honest how you on earth can say that she loves another guy?
Or he's lying or he's saying something to diminish all the bashfull comments.
You cant be a writer and says some stuff like that he should have stopped on "she was honest but had a surprising stubborn impression" then stops here but then he say something that completely contradicts the previous statement with "Naruto is close but still... Sasuke" Kishi is high?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 February 2013 - 04:14 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Feb 18 2013, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When i see this, i just simply cant understand kishi i think this guy cant do interviews because first when he said that Sakura was honest how you on earth can say that she loves another guy?
Or he's lying or he's saying something to diminish all the bashfull comments.
You cant be a writer and says some stuff like that he should have stopped on "she was honest but had a surprising stubborn impression" then stops here but then he say something that completely contradicts the previous statement with "Naruto is close but still... Sasuke" Kishi is high?


Brace yourselves.... Kishi is about to troll us by making SasuNaru Canon laugh.gif

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (narusakurama @ Feb 18 2013, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Makes you wonder what they'll do with 615 in the anime ... probably going to be the same as with the confession and add their own biased stuff unsure.gif

By the time the anime reaches 615, we've already got our upcoming mindblowing NS moment. pictureem0.gif

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 18 2013, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, that's pretty interesting. You see, people. I told you. Hinata is a very important character to the story. She's on the front cover on either side. That's how much Kishi cares.

*Looks at both*

Um, sorry. False alarm.

Shikamaru is a side character and is on the cover. Hinata is a side character and is... nowhere to be found rolleyes.gif

Edited by T XD, 18 February 2013 - 04:23 PM.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 18 2013, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aw, stop. I have gone bright red. But really, good poster can come from many places, it's the matter of time when one poster decides to put their heart to it.


True. happy.gif

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Oh, that's pretty interesting. You see, people. I told you. Hinata is a very important character to the story. She's on the front cover on either side. That's how much Kishi cares.

*Looks at both*

Um, sorry. False alarm.


Yup, Yup. very true. yes.gif I'm actually interested in Shikamaru's though. Should be interesting. He's the "least" developed character if you compare the other characters on the cover in terms of relationships with Naruto.

BTW, does anyone remember the article Naruto wiki about Naruto's relationship's?? funny how this might be a counter to that.

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#10826 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Feb 18 2013, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yup, Yup. very true. yes.gif I'm actually interested in Shikamaru's though. Should be interesting. He's the "least" developed character if you compare the other characters on the cover in terms of relationships with Naruto.

BTW, does anyone remember the article Naruto wiki about Naruto's relationship's?? funny how this might be a counter to that.

I would say that the cover would be about the people who influenced Naruto but since Jiraiya is not there i cant say that, Jiraiya and Kushina are missing there.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 February 2013 - 04:31 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:32 PM

never judge a book by its cover huh.gif

Sure it'll speaks some about Hinata, it's inevitable.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:34 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Feb 18 2013, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you seen this guys?! facepalm.png

http://araitsume.tum...u-naruto-hinata


edit: For those who do not know Kishi said in an interview that if Naruto had a son, his name would be Shinachiku.

I got curious.hmm much ado about na-thing happy.gif .
..wow what a desperate err , err strawman conclusion from that fan.
ナルト - Naruto
ヒナタ - Hinata
シナチク - Shinachiku
ミナト - Minato
クシナ - Kushina



1. Menma is also known as shinachiku (支那竹?), "Chinese bamboo".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menma
2.Menma is a Japanese condiment made from dried bamboo. It is a common topping for noodle soup and ramen. Menma is also known as shinachiku (シナチク), but this term is now being phased out due to the negative connotations of the word Shina.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_condiments#Menma
3. Menma the name AU of Naruto, who is the son of "AU Minato and AU Kushina" Road to Ninja movie

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:38 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 18 2013, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
never judge a book by its cover huh.gif

Sure it'll speaks some about Hinata, it's inevitable.


Very apt saying happy.gif .

That said, while it is a possibility she'll be in there, judging by the characters on the cover, it does seem it'll focus on the people who are/were important in Naruto's life and subsequent growth as a character.

Dαrkrєrsŧ raises a good point about the exclusion of Kushina and Jiraiya. Not only that, Iruka and Zabuza are missing as well.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Feb 18 2013, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very apt saying happy.gif .

That said, while it is a possibility she'll be in there, judging by the characters on the cover, it does seem it'll focus on the people who are/were important in Naruto's life and subsequent growth as a character.

Dαrkrєrsŧ raises a good point about the exclusion of Kushina and Jiraiya. Not only that, Iruka and Zabuza are missing as well.

Yeah, I believe that there will be some Hinata in the book. I think there will be many characters that were long gone from the manga which are going to be in the book, as well.

Edited by T XD, 18 February 2013 - 04:52 PM.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:56 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Feb 18 2013, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True. happy.gif



Yup, Yup. very true. yes.gif I'm actually interested in Shikamaru's though. Should be interesting. He's the "least" developed character if you compare the other characters on the cover in terms of relationships with Naruto.

BTW, does anyone remember the article Naruto wiki about Naruto's relationship's?? funny how this might be a counter to that.

Well, if we go by the cover, then it will be like:

Kakashi: Naruto's teacher, who he wanted to surpass his expectations and surpass him at power. Kakashi also has connections to Naruto's father, Minato.

Shikamaru: Naruto's childhood friend, who once bored at life and they have been journeyed to rescue Sasuke.

Minato: Naruto's dad who wished the best for Naruto to change the future.

Pain: Their teacher was Jiraiya and has the same philosophy of the choose one.

Sakura: Need I to say? laugh.gif

Sasuke: Read above

Obito/Tobi: A terrorist who is a threat to Naruto as well as have connection to the incident that changed Naruto's life

Itachi: Sasuke's brother who has placed faith in Naruto, even when he lost all of it because of his childhood's experience

Gaara: Related to Naruto because of Jinchuuriki and went through many changes, thanks to Naruto.

Killer Bee: Related to Naruto because of Jinchuuriki and they have been connected since Naruto can adjust to any type of people, even rapping, which pleases him. Not to mention, he is Naruto's trainer for bijuu's control.

All of that has a reason to connect significantly to Naruto's life, which is why they're on front covers. Of course, there will be much more details inside the book, but I'm only giving you tidbits on why these characters were chosen on the cover.

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 18 2013, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
never judge a book by its cover huh.gif

Sure it'll speaks some about Hinata, it's inevitable.

Of course. I just think that there will be not a lot, due to fact it's more of an effect on her than Naruto. If it centers around Naruto, there's going to be a lot less details on those who really didn't change Naruto's life.

QUOTE (Codus N @ Feb 18 2013, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very apt saying happy.gif .

That said, while it is a possibility she'll be in there, judging by the characters on the cover, it does seem it'll focus on the people who are/were important in Naruto's life and subsequent growth as a character.

Dαrkrєrsŧ raises a good point about the exclusion of Kushina and Jiraiya. Not only that, Iruka and Zabuza are missing as well.

True. Still, you would have put at least the popular character in there. Like imagine this comes in USA. People would be like, "No Hinata, no buy."

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 18 February 2013 - 05:02 PM.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (narusakurama @ Feb 18 2013, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Makes you wonder what they'll do with 615 in the anime ... probably going to be the same as with the confession and add their own biased stuff unsure.gif


I don't even want to think about what they will do arg.gif and we can already expect a TOP animation like they did in episode 166.


QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 18 2013, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
never judge a book by its cover huh.gif

Sure it'll speaks some about Hinata, it's inevitable.


I do think too that Hinata will be mentioned in a way or another in this book.

well, I highly doubt he'll get deeper into pairing issues, but I would love if he spoke a little more about the relationship between Naruto and Sakura.

He is a Manga critic so his opinion is something we should take more seriously. For good or for bad, I really can't wait to read it.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Feb 18 2013, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't even want to think about what they will do arg.gif and we can already expect a TOP animation like they did in episode 166.




I do think too that Hinata will be mentioned in a way or another in this book.

well, I highly doubt he'll get deeper into pairing issues, but I would love if he spoke a little more about the relationship between Naruto and Sakura.

He is a Manga critic so his opinion is something we should take more seriously. For good or for bad, I really can't wait to read it.


Could anyone who buys the japaneese version on the day maybe bring up what he says in it?? (with spoiler warnings ofc) cant really wait for english version too eager to know what critics have to say mellow.gif

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 17 2013, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ James S. Cassidy:

I think Hinata deserves to be with someone, if she grows up a little more.


I never said she didn't deserve someone, but she doesn't deserve Naruto. Hinata deserves a character that can complement her character. Naruto and Sakura's characters just click. You know, we always pick on Kishimoto for not writing a female's persona that well, but I have to wonder if he is purposely writing characters that complement each other. Seeing how much Sakura and Naruto connect you have to wonder if this was done on purpose and some of the "faults" he has in there were done to show how each character fills in the other.

Look at it this way, Naruto has some holes in his character. He might never give up, but his confidence is shot. He is either too over confident...or not confident enough. He does however have confidence in others especially Sakura. Yeah he does have confidence in Hinata, but I will get to that. Not to be confused with guilt as he does believe only he can solve the world's problems. Now, I know Neji's death might have eliminated this, but how many times did it seem like he did only to end up losing faith anyway? Too many. So I am waiting to see if this flaw has truly been solved. To be honest, it won't be till Sasuke is dealt with. Actions speak louder. If Sasuke dies and Naruto loses it, then he truly has not learned his lesson, but this is a different story.

Sakura too. Her confidence in herself was shot, but to Naruto she had all the confidence in the world. She believed that Naruto could always come out on top. Coincidence? I don't think so. Whatever holes that are in Naruto's and Sakura's characters, the other seems to fill. They fit so perfectly together, you cannot tell me it is a coincidence.

They are almost mirrored. Naruto was willing to give up everything for Sakura and now Sakura is willing to give up everything for Naruto. Hinata just....doesn't want to give anything up. She really is self-satisfaction guided. This sounds like I am bashing, but this is really how I see Hinata. You can see it in the way she thinks.

Hinata's character is just....not compatible. She lacks the confidence in both herself AND Naruto's character. Remember when I keep saying that she coddles to Naruto? This is what I mean. She doesn't really believe he can do it. She doesn't really think he needs to do it. She just thinks he should be a good as he can be instead of overcoming those limits. Of course, I said Naruto comforts her and puts confidence in her, but he does this for everyone who is feeling down. So that alone does not mean anything, but I am looking at is how the other reciprocates those emotions.

Again, I might get arguments bout 615, but I could also argue this was Neji's doing, not Hinata's. All Hinata did was reiterate everything Neji said and Naruto acknowledged this by saying he would always keep Neji in his heart. Even Kurama says "You want to protect your friends." Basically, Hinata did nothing. All she did was slap him, but it was Neji and Kurama that provide the words. I have to laugh harder at this myself because Naruto didn't snap out of it till Kurama said something if you really look at it.

Sakura and Hinata can do the exact same actions and I can still tell them apart. Hinata jumps in front of Pein, not to take a bullet or save his life, but to confess her love. This is why the anime embellished it so much because they knew how shallow Hinata really was and wanted her to be seen as a hero. Sakura did her confession not to gain his love, but to keep him from sacrificing himself for something he doesn't have to. The fact that she was willing to risk it all means the world.

Who else do we know would sacrifice everything, not for selfish gain, but to protect the ones they love? Gee, doesn't a certain Knuckled-headed Orange Ninja come to mind? Some might say that opposites attract, but come on. How many times do you see a sweet-hearted girl be with a complete jerk and still have the relationship work out perfectly? I have never seen a happy relationship built on opposites. We even have songs about this how opposites don't work and even how many believe not enough in common breaks the relationship.

This is why Sakura is just so much better, but as well why she gets so much flak for it. Hinata is just way too shallow and she has no qualities that give Naruto what he needs.

I am going for something else. Remember Part 1 Naruto? Hinata's character was perfect for him then, but that's because Naruto was very selfish-motivated. She didn't need to push confidence in him. All she needed to do was be there for him and as RomanG said, she wasn't. She didn't even try. That "shyness" ended up being her own downfall. If she was there when he was alone like she should have been; if she was there then, then perhaps NH would be canon by now, but Kishimoto had her stay in the back being quiet. Part 1 Sakura was over-confident too. She was the same as Naruto with her thinking she was the most pretty and the best girl. You can see this.

Part 2 comes along and Naruto has tasted failure. He is down; not as confident as he used to be and once again Hinata was not there. However, someone was. Sakura, who also changed in that 2 years, was. She stopped being very-confident as well and looked to Naruto who had confidence in her. She built up from that confidence and accepted that she has faults she needs to work out. Speaking of which Naruto built on Sakura's confidence in him. Notice the change? Both Naruto AND Sakura change to be on the exact some level. Confidence in others, but not in themselves, which made them try harder in their studies. Hinata too grew from Naruto, but Naruto did not grow from Hinata's influence. There was no influence from her. Only more shyness.

What's my point? Naruto needs the girl who can put the confidence in him and Hinata just doesn't do that. She's so busy going after her own fantasies that she disregards Naruto's needs all together. This is not what Naruto needs. He needs a girl who says to him "you can do better. You can be better." This is why Naruto has not developed feelings for her in all this time. There was nothing to develop from.

There is one flaw Naruto and Sakura have....they don't believe they deserve each other. They love each other, but they don't believe they deserve it. Also ironic that it is for the same reason. Naruto because he can't keep his promise and Sakura because she believes she was asking too much with the promise. Hinata...she just thinks too much of herself. Her faults, her plans, her fantasies. Just like her fans, they ignore Naruto too. They ignore what he needs in favor of "Oh she loves him, she deserves him." Love is a selfless thing. You can't think about yourself because it's not about you. True love is about making the other person happy and in return they make you happy.

Forgot to add. Naruto is stupid. Not stupid as in he has no brain, but stupid as in blind. He can't see beyond what lays in front of him so he only sees what he wants to. He only thinks about others, not about himself. So stupid mistakes he makes are done for the right reasons. For others. He puts his value down because he holds other highers. Sakura does this too. In the confession she put her value down because she saw Naruto's value greater. Hinata does not do things for others, she does it for herself. Even with selfless acts, she does it for herself. For her confidence. For example, was there any need for her confession during the Pein arc? Not really. I can argue it made the situation worse, not better. Still, did she try to make it better? No. She was too busy thinking about confession. Then Sakura confesses. Does she confess to gain self-satisfaction? No, she did it to save his life. She did it to relieve the burden she thought she was. She wanted to relieve Naruto of his burdens. Not add more to them. Granted, if she die it would have added more burden, but I am looking at intent.

The intent of the characters, regardless of what happens, is what is the most important. Even with the mistakes, you can do the wrong thing for the right reasons. Hinata...she did the right/wrong thing for the wrong reasons.


Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 February 2013 - 07:00 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:23 PM

Thanks for the update guys.

Would you say the anime is more Narusaku or otherwise...or maybe they do a good job of being even?

And you know what else I just realized, even though Naruto and Sakura r the main protagonists, it seems like their are more NaruHina fans...which is weird cause episode 1 Naruto says he like Sakura, why would you want the main character, the underdog to achieve his goals?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:03 PM

I was just thinking about a strange thing before... It might be that Sasuke, after this meeting with Hokages, will take the decision to compete with Naruto for the title of Hokage? We know that Madara took it badly when the village decided to elect Hashirama as the First Hokage and, betrayed by his own clan, he wen on. Years after He challenged Hashirama at the VOTE. The question is: For which precise motive? There's something behind the simple reason of "Destroying Konoha for revenge?"
Kishimoto, apparently, is spreading some small clues in last chapters. Those panels where Sasuke asks to Orochimaru the true reason about his wish for destroying Konoha might suggest that.

What's your opinion, guys?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Feb 18 2013, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never said she didn't deserve someone, but she doesn't deserve Naruto. Hinata deserves a character that can complement her character. Naruto and Sakura's characters just click. You know, we always pick on Kishimoto for not writing a female's persona that well, but I have to wonder if he is purposely writing characters that complement each other. Seeing how much Sakura and Naruto connect you have to wonder if this was done on purpose and some of the "faults" he has in there were done to show how each character fills in the other.

Look at it this way, Naruto has some holes in his character. He might never give up, but his confidence is shot. He is either too over confident...or not confident enough. He does however have confidence in others especially Sakura. Yeah he does have confidence in Hinata, but I will get to that. Not to be confused with guilt as he does believe only he can solve the world's problems. Now, I know Neji's death might have eliminated this, but how many times did it seem like he did only to end up losing faith anyway? Too many. So I am waiting to see if this flaw has truly been solved. To be honest, it won't be till Sasuke is dealt with. Actions speak louder. If Sasuke dies and Naruto loses it, then he truly has not learned his lesson, but this is a different story.

Sakura too. Her confidence in herself was shot, but to Naruto she had all the confidence in the world. She believed that Naruto could always come out on top. Coincidence? I don't think so. Whatever holes that are in Naruto's and Sakura's characters, the other seems to fill. They fit so perfectly together, you cannot tell me it is a coincidence.

They are almost mirrored. Naruto was willing to give up everything for Sakura and now Sakura is willing to give up everything for Naruto. Hinata just....doesn't want to give anything up. She really is self-satisfaction guided. This sounds like I am bashing, but this is really how I see Hinata. You can see it in the way she thinks.

Hinata's character is just....not compatible. She lacks the confidence in both herself AND Naruto's character. Remember when I keep saying that she coddles to Naruto? This is what I mean. She doesn't really believe he can do it. She doesn't really think he needs to do it. She just thinks he should be a good as he can be instead of overcoming those limits. Of course, I said Naruto comforts her and puts confidence in her, but he does this for everyone who is feeling down. So that alone does not mean anything, but I am looking at is how the other reciprocates those emotions.

Again, I might get arguments bout 615, but I could also argue this was Neji's doing, not Hinata's. All Hinata did was reiterate everything Neji said and Naruto acknowledged this by saying he would always keep Neji in his heart. Even Kurama says "You want to protect your friends." Basically, Hinata did nothing. All she did was slap him, but it was Neji and Kurama that provide the words. I have to laugh harder at this myself because Naruto didn't snap out of it till Kurama said something if you really look at it.

Sakura and Hinata can do the exact same actions and I can still tell them apart. Hinata jumps in front of Pein, not to take a bullet or save his life, but to confess her love. This is why the anime embellished it so much because they knew how shallow Hinata really was and wanted her to be seen as a hero. Sakura did her confession not to gain his love, but to keep him from sacrificing himself for something he doesn't have to. The fact that she was willing to risk it all means the world.

Who else do we know would sacrifice everything, not for selfish gain, but to protect the ones they love? Gee, doesn't a certain Knuckled-headed Orange Ninja come to mind? Some might say that opposites attract, but come on. How many times do you see a sweet-hearted girl be with a complete jerk and still have the relationship work out perfectly? I have never seen a happy relationship built on opposites. We even have songs about this how opposites don't work and even how many believe not enough in common breaks the relationship.

This is why Sakura is just so much better, but as well why she gets so much flak for it. Hinata is just way too shallow and she has no qualities that give Naruto what he needs.

I am going for something else. Remember Part 1 Naruto? Hinata's character was perfect for him then, but that's because Naruto was very selfish-motivated. She didn't need to push confidence in him. All she needed to do was be there for him and as RomanG said, she wasn't. She didn't even try. That "shyness" ended up being her own downfall. If she was there when he was alone like she should have been; if she was there then, then perhaps NH would be canon by now, but Kishimoto had her stay in the back being quiet. Part 1 Sakura was over-confident too. She was the same as Naruto with her thinking she was the most pretty and the best girl. You can see this.

Part 2 comes along and Naruto has tasted failure. He is down; not as confident as he used to be and once again Hinata was not there. However, someone was. Sakura, who also changed in that 2 years, was. She stopped being very-confident as well and looked to Naruto who had confidence in her. She built up from that confidence and accepted that she has faults she needs to work out. Speaking of which Naruto built on Sakura's confidence in him. Notice the change? Both Naruto AND Sakura change to be on the exact some level. Confidence in others, but not in themselves, which made them try harder in their studies. Hinata too grew from Naruto, but Naruto did not grow from Hinata's influence. There was no influence from her. Only more shyness.

What's my point? Naruto needs the girl who can put the confidence in him and Hinata just doesn't do that. She's so busy going after her own fantasies that she disregards Naruto's needs all together. This is not what Naruto needs. He needs a girl who says to him "you can do better. You can be better." This is why Naruto has not developed feelings for her in all this time. There was nothing to develop from.

There is one flaw Naruto and Sakura have....they don't believe they deserve each other. They love each other, but they don't believe they deserve it. Also ironic that it is for the same reason. Naruto because he can't keep his promise and Sakura because she believes she was asking too much with the promise. Hinata...she just thinks too much of herself. Her faults, her plans, her fantasies. Just like her fans, they ignore Naruto too. They ignore what he needs in favor of "Oh she loves him, she deserves him." Love is a selfless thing. You can't think about yourself because it's not about you. True love is about making the other person happy and in return they make you happy.

Forgot to add. Naruto is stupid. Not stupid as in he has no brain, but stupid as in blind. He can't see beyond what lays in front of him so he only sees what he wants to. He only thinks about others, not about himself. So stupid mistakes he makes are done for the right reasons. For others. He puts his value down because he holds other highers. Sakura does this too. In the confession she put her value down because she saw Naruto's value greater. Hinata does not do things for others, she does it for herself. Even with selfless acts, she does it for herself. For her confidence. For example, was there any need for her confession during the Pein arc? Not really. I can argue it made the situation worse, not better. Still, did she try to make it better? No. She was too busy thinking about confession. Then Sakura confesses. Does she confess to gain self-satisfaction? No, she did it to save his life. She did it to relieve the burden she thought she was. She wanted to relieve Naruto of his burdens. Not add more to them. Granted, if she die it would have added more burden, but I am looking at intent.

The intent of the characters, regardless of what happens, is what is the most important. Even with the mistakes, you can do the wrong thing for the right reasons. Hinata...she did the right/wrong thing for the wrong reasons.


This^ brilliant epic post James you've done it again. I agree with everything you pointed out. Funny they put Hinata's confession on a high pedestal when she was being selfish and her only motivation to confess to Naruto is thinking she was going to die. Kishi downgraded her character with her confession but the fans praised her like a heroine. With Sakura's confession she gets bash hard calling her liar when she was being selfless and only thinking about Naruto's well-being (with 469 the hatred for Sakura increaded a thousand full over 9000!).

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

@James: Great post, and good points a_thumbs.gif

QUOTE (bthug @ Feb 18 2013, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the update guys.

Would you say the anime is more Narusaku or otherwise...or maybe they do a good job of being even?

And you know what else I just realized, even though Naruto and Sakura r the main protagonists, it seems like their are more NaruHina fans...which is weird cause episode 1 Naruto says he like Sakura, why would you want the main character, the underdog to achieve his goals?

The anime tends sometimes to exaggerate Hinata's moments. But, the pairings are even, though, in fillers, they tend to make a bit more of NH.

That's the problem with some fans. They need to support the protagonist, and not the opposite. The thing is that, I think they're attached from early part 1, like Hinata likes Naruto, and Sakura likes Sasuke. So, they just go with that and not seeing the overall story, and come to like those pairings.

In the end, that's why there's some fans who don't want to change their minds.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:15 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Feb 18 2013, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never said she didn't deserve someone, but she doesn't deserve Naruto. Hinata deserves a character that can complement her character. Naruto and Sakura's characters just click. You know, we always pick on Kishimoto for not writing a female's persona that well, but I have to wonder if he is purposely writing characters that complement each other. Seeing how much Sakura and Naruto connect you have to wonder if this was done on purpose and some of the "faults" he has in there were done to show how each character fills in the other.

Look at it this way, Naruto has some holes in his character. He might never give up, but his confidence is shot. He is either too over confident...or not confident enough. He does however have confidence in others especially Sakura. Yeah he does have confidence in Hinata, but I will get to that. Not to be confused with guilt as he does believe only he can solve the world's problems. Now, I know Neji's death might have eliminated this, but how many times did it seem like he did only to end up losing faith anyway? Too many. So I am waiting to see if this flaw has truly been solved. To be honest, it won't be till Sasuke is dealt with. Actions speak louder. If Sasuke dies and Naruto loses it, then he truly has not learned his lesson, but this is a different story.

Sakura too. Her confidence in herself was shot, but to Naruto she had all the confidence in the world. She believed that Naruto could always come out on top. Coincidence? I don't think so. Whatever holes that are in Naruto's and Sakura's characters, the other seems to fill. They fit so perfectly together, you cannot tell me it is a coincidence.

They are almost mirrored. Naruto was willing to give up everything for Sakura and now Sakura is willing to give up everything for Naruto. Hinata just....doesn't want to give anything up. She really is self-satisfaction guided. This sounds like I am bashing, but this is really how I see Hinata. You can see it in the way she thinks.

Hinata's character is just....not compatible. She lacks the confidence in both herself AND Naruto's character. Remember when I keep saying that she coddles to Naruto? This is what I mean. She doesn't really believe he can do it. She doesn't really think he needs to do it. She just thinks he should be a good as he can be instead of overcoming those limits. Of course, I said Naruto comforts her and puts confidence in her, but he does this for everyone who is feeling down. So that alone does not mean anything, but I am looking at is how the other reciprocates those emotions.

Again, I might get arguments bout 615, but I could also argue this was Neji's doing, not Hinata's. All Hinata did was reiterate everything Neji said and Naruto acknowledged this by saying he would always keep Neji in his heart. Even Kurama says "You want to protect your friends." Basically, Hinata did nothing. All she did was slap him, but it was Neji and Kurama that provide the words. I have to laugh harder at this myself because Naruto didn't snap out of it till Kurama said something if you really look at it.

Sakura and Hinata can do the exact same actions and I can still tell them apart. Hinata jumps in front of Pein, not to take a bullet or save his life, but to confess her love. This is why the anime embellished it so much because they knew how shallow Hinata really was and wanted her to be seen as a hero. Sakura did her confession not to gain his love, but to keep him from sacrificing himself for something he doesn't have to. The fact that she was willing to risk it all means the world.

Who else do we know would sacrifice everything, not for selfish gain, but to protect the ones they love? Gee, doesn't a certain Knuckled-headed Orange Ninja come to mind? Some might say that opposites attract, but come on. How many times do you see a sweet-hearted girl be with a complete jerk and still have the relationship work out perfectly? I have never seen a happy relationship built on opposites. We even have songs about this how opposites don't work and even how many believe not enough in common breaks the relationship.

This is why Sakura is just so much better, but as well why she gets so much flak for it. Hinata is just way too shallow and she has no qualities that give Naruto what he needs.

I am going for something else. Remember Part 1 Naruto? Hinata's character was perfect for him then, but that's because Naruto was very selfish-motivated. She didn't need to push confidence in him. All she needed to do was be there for him and as RomanG said, she wasn't. She didn't even try. That "shyness" ended up being her own downfall. If she was there when he was alone like she should have been; if she was there then, then perhaps NH would be canon by now, but Kishimoto had her stay in the back being quiet. Part 1 Sakura was over-confident too. She was the same as Naruto with her thinking she was the most pretty and the best girl. You can see this.

Part 2 comes along and Naruto has tasted failure. He is down; not as confident as he used to be and once again Hinata was not there. However, someone was. Sakura, who also changed in that 2 years, was. She stopped being very-confident as well and looked to Naruto who had confidence in her. She built up from that confidence and accepted that she has faults she needs to work out. Speaking of which Naruto built on Sakura's confidence in him. Notice the change? Both Naruto AND Sakura change to be on the exact some level. Confidence in others, but not in themselves, which made them try harder in their studies. Hinata too grew from Naruto, but Naruto did not grow from Hinata's influence. There was no influence from her. Only more shyness.

What's my point? Naruto needs the girl who can put the confidence in him and Hinata just doesn't do that. She's so busy going after her own fantasies that she disregards Naruto's needs all together. This is not what Naruto needs. He needs a girl who says to him "you can do better. You can be better." This is why Naruto has not developed feelings for her in all this time. There was nothing to develop from.

There is one flaw Naruto and Sakura have....they don't believe they deserve each other. They love each other, but they don't believe they deserve it. Also ironic that it is for the same reason. Naruto because he can't keep his promise and Sakura because she believes she was asking too much with the promise. Hinata...she just thinks too much of herself. Her faults, her plans, her fantasies. Just like her fans, they ignore Naruto too. They ignore what he needs in favor of "Oh she loves him, she deserves him." Love is a selfless thing. You can't think about yourself because it's not about you. True love is about making the other person happy and in return they make you happy.

Forgot to add. Naruto is stupid. Not stupid as in he has no brain, but stupid as in blind. He can't see beyond what lays in front of him so he only sees what he wants to. He only thinks about others, not about himself. So stupid mistakes he makes are done for the right reasons. For others. He puts his value down because he holds other highers. Sakura does this too. In the confession she put her value down because she saw Naruto's value greater. Hinata does not do things for others, she does it for herself. Even with selfless acts, she does it for herself. For her confidence. For example, was there any need for her confession during the Pein arc? Not really. I can argue it made the situation worse, not better. Still, did she try to make it better? No. She was too busy thinking about confession. Then Sakura confesses. Does she confess to gain self-satisfaction? No, she did it to save his life. She did it to relieve the burden she thought she was. She wanted to relieve Naruto of his burdens. Not add more to them. Granted, if she die it would have added more burden, but I am looking at intent.

The intent of the characters, regardless of what happens, is what is the most important. Even with the mistakes, you can do the wrong thing for the right reasons. Hinata...she did the right/wrong thing for the wrong reasons.


Well i read the entire post, the first bolded it happens all the time, if it works out perfectly it would be an assumption but relationships like that happen all the time.

The second it's not a "cool flaw" or something that makes NS to be canon actually Sakura is like asking for Naruto to do a move but Naruto only makes a move after the thing with Sasuke is handled so what i'm saying is if he does it, it might be too late and ends up like Obito(let's buy a gift for Sasukemo) i'm saying is Naruto is doing the same mistakes as Obito and Jiraiya, trying to keep her away or simply avoid and hide their feelings.

And this whole flaw Naruto may feel that does not deserve her and never be with Sakura, which is were the problems comes to, i know it's not a shoujo but Naruto has to make a "move" or say something to Sakura before a final confrontation comes or we will have a nice open ending.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 18 2013, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was just thinking about a strange thing before... It might be that Sasuke, after this meeting with Hokages, will take the decision to compete with Naruto for the title of Hokage? We know that Madara took it badly when the village decided to elect Hashirama as the First Hokage and, betrayed by his own clan, he wen on. Years after He challenged Hashirama at the VOTE. The question is: For which precise motive? There's something behind the simple reason of "Destroying Konoha for revenge?"
Kishimoto, apparently, is spreading some small clues in last chapters. Those panels where Sasuke asks to Orochimaru the true reason about his wish for destroying Konoha might suggest that.

What's your opinion, guys?

Sasuke isn't part of the village anymore. Plus, all the people in village have decided to not forgive him, for now, maybe in the future they'll change their mind. So, Sasuke needs to be a part of the village, and come to love and protecting the village again. Sasuke's reason is to avenge his brother, but, after the reunion with him and Itachi, Sasuke wanted to know more from the questions he's asking, and to know for sure that he's right destroying Konoha.

I have many suggestions about Orochimaru's reason, but I don't think for the reason to be Hokage. However, Orochimaru's response to Sasuke has a role in Sasuke's thoughts of his searching for answers, with the Kages of course. That's why Kishi is making these last clues.

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