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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I feel Neji's death was just pointless and poorly handled and he and Naruto were really not that close. I kinda would have liked for Kishi to use perhaps Iruka instead. Where is that guy anyway?

Yes
The reasons why he died were good by chosing his freedom.

But after it and the way it was used afterwards were mediocre, it should be something Neji/Hinata related, like Hinata inheriting his will and her wanting to change her clan and her character coming into a full circle, but instead we got that nonsense.

Where out of nowhere give a speech to Naruto like she knows what he's going into to, but worse Naruto already stated the same thing couple of chapters ago, and was just reinforced by Hinata and Kyuubi's words, the fact Naruto was about to give up was way worse.

 

Neji's death didnt give any development towards Hinata, neither 615 give development to her she just fullfilled her wish to be at his side/help him on a proper manner rather than gong out desperately to do something stupid(Pain arc), [She saw the whole fight, knew pain would counter any kind of direct attack, and what she does? do a direct attack].

She's still the same and her lack of confidence still shows up on the chapter where Shikamaru is saved, she goes back and forth in terms of self confidence, like it's incomplete or a unfinished work.

 

My rate for Neji's death is mediocre.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 November 2013 - 07:45 PM.

[sushi.]

About Neji's death;

 

It did have a purpose, but it was not necessary there and then. The timing was wrong, it literally came out of the blue. There was no foreshadowing, and the purpose was not tied into the war or Obito in any way. I believe Kishi planned to have Neji killed years ago, and seized the opportunity when he saw it. I think he wanted to get done with it so he could focus on the climax, because that is all that is left by now.

[TouKen4Life3g]

About Neji's death;
 
It did have a purpose, but it was not necessary there and then. The timing was wrong, it literally came out of the blue. There was no foreshadowing, and the purpose was not tied into the war or Obito in any way. I believe Kishi planned to have Neji killed years ago, and seized the opportunity when he saw it. I think he wanted to get done with it so he could focus on the climax, because that is all that is left by now.

That seems to be the case. After all, we are near end.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

About Neji's death;

 

It did have a purpose, but it was not necessary there and then. The timing was wrong, it literally came out of the blue. There was no foreshadowing, and the purpose was not tied into the war or Obito in any way. I believe Kishi planned to have Neji killed years ago, and seized the opportunity when he saw it. I think he wanted to get done with it so he could focus on the climax, because that is all that is left by now.

 

I agree. I understand Kishimoto's reason and purpose for killing off Neji, but I don't feel he handled it well, it was rushed and kind of all haphazardly thrown together, the foreshadowing was poor (i.e. nonexistent), and the after effects are forced, like Neji essentially being Naruto's 'Rin'.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Hey guys, I found the perfect song to play whenever we hear an NH argument that basically states, " I don't prefer Sakura"

 

 

Note that I say ONLY to those NH arguments that boil down to "I dislike Sakura so Naruto should get with Hinata"

 

Again not bashing here but whenever we come across NH/Hinata fans fans that do not acknowledge our pairing or Sakura in general at all,this tune just pops up in my head.  

 

Lol, I love BlazeBlue.  I have to get started on the anime that's airing now.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 04 November 2013 - 08:04 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I see as life of Naruto being that "Rin" because he had so many roadblocks in his life, yet he didn't stop moving. That's why Obito keeps talking about his past and future events of which people would betray, die, and he will be suffering alone. If what people said is the case, he would have brought it up directly, but instead, he's talking about life itself. He's not pedastaling anyone, rather just talking that life is harsh and not all sunshine, but you just have to push forward. Ah, it reminds me of Rocky's quote, probably one of my favorite.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I see as life of Naruto being that "Rin" because he had so many roadblocks in his life, yet he didn't stop moving. That's why Obito keeps talking about his past and future events of which people would betray, die, and he will be suffering alone. If what people said is the case, he would have brought it up directly, but instead, he's talking about life itself. He's not pedastaling anyone, rather just talking that life is harsh and not all sunshine, but you just have to push forward. Ah, it reminds me of Rocky's quote, probably one of my favorite.

 

Hm, that's a good way of looking at it. I didn't think of that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Hm, that's a good way of looking at it. I didn't think of that.

Thank you. I was rereading and really, it's about life itself for Obito. While Rin is a high focus, the point is how life can be dark and at times, hard to accept what the road takes us. Madara is like that but I think he's more of a guy that will die without care in the world. I guess that's why he has no buildup to TnJ. So, Obito is a guy to be converted while Madara is a guy that is too late to do so, which is why I think he will die by someone, rather than find peace. If Obito lives and turn good for this matter of time, he could end him, though don't know if he has some power once the extraction happens.

 

As far as parallel goes, it can still happen, but perhaps the Minato chapter 631 style. Right now, it's all about the parallel with Naruto and Obito.

[sushi.]

I see as life of Naruto being that "Rin" because he had so many roadblocks in his life, yet he didn't stop moving. That's why Obito keeps talking about his past and future events of which people would betray, die, and he will be suffering alone. If what people said is the case, he would have brought it up directly, but instead, he's talking about life itself. He's not pedastaling anyone, rather just talking that life is harsh and not all sunshine, but you just have to push forward. Ah, it reminds me of Rocky's quote, probably one of my favorite.

Not to mention, Naruto had his friends all around him. When things got wrong, Obito went right into Madara's hands, while Naruto had people like Shikamaru, Iruka and Hinata.

 

Going by the recent flashbacks, it couldn't be more obvious Obito would still be Obito if he had returned to Konoha.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Not to mention, Naruto had his friends all around him. When things got wrong, Obito went right into Madara's hands, while Naruto had people like Shikamaru, Iruka and Hinata.
 
Going by the recent flashbacks, it couldn't be more obvious Obito would still be Obito if he had returned to Konoha.

Yeah, Obito quit life while he has many friends back home, but he didn't want to accept. His life would have worked out if he went back.

Come to think of it, I noticed that the parallel/comparison often happens from a third-party perspective, not from Naruto or any new generation. Ever noticed that? I did now. Hm...

[Hiraishin]

Something I realized is that kishi has recently been tying up all the loose ends that he has had in the manga in the very early chapters. This could definitely lead to an important narusaku moment that we have all been waiting for. One was when Kurama and naruto became partners tying up the entire conversation between iruka and naruto in chapter one with Kurama not being the monster fox anymore. Now, we got the speech naruto gave to konohamaru in chapter 2 coming back in 653 with the whole "no shortcuts to hokage". Now what's next? I'm hoping tying up the loose end in chapter 3 is the next move kishi plans on doing.

:o Wow! I didn't even notice Kishi had referenced chapters one and two recently. Nice catch! There's so many reasons to believe Kishi will tie up the loose end in chapter three (the recurrence of the bench throughout the series, Kushina telling Naruto that Minato complimented the thing she hated about herself, Dan kissing Tsunade's forehead, etc), it's almost illogical to believe it won't be tied up.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well it seems that Neji's death will have the most controversy in all of the deaths in Naruto, unless if anyone in team 7 dies or Obito's depending on how it's done. Although many may not agree with me on this and you don't have to, but I think the panels with the Hyuga's in Volume 56 were leading to the death.

Mainly with Neji and Hinata fighting side by side and their fathers talking and battling each over. Was it the best way to handle it probably not given the mixed reactions to death. Did it take to long to do it I say yes given that it happened 8 volumes later, but hay it did good on how Obito mocked Naruto's words about not letting his friends die.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Not to mention, Naruto had his friends all around him. When things got wrong, Obito went right into Madara's hands, while Naruto had people like Shikamaru, Iruka and Hinata.

 

Going by the recent flashbacks, it couldn't be more obvious Obito would still be Obito if he had returned to Konoha.

Yeah but still cant be compared a death of someome who you love romantically with a friend.
Obito lost it, and in fact he believed that the world would be better.

Neji and Rin were compared because they chose to die rather than dying because they could not protect them.
Neji had the burden of the mark on his forehead which would have to be focused on in a development for Hinata, she literally doesnt look like the heir of that clan seriously, she's literally out of everything that happens on that.

 

Obito was worse he actually died to protect her, meaning he lose it, returning home and being kage obviously he would still feel bad, much like Kakashi who despite filling up his hole because of his students he still felt like a trash for not being able to keep the promise, and Obito would follow like this too, could be even a hokage but would think he's a trash for not being able to protect her.

 

This whole Naruto having to surpass everyone already tells that he's not going to die in the end.

 

 

Well it seems that Neji's death will have the most controversy in all of the deaths in Naruto, unless if anyone in team 7 dies or Obito's depending on how it's done. Although many may not agree with me on this and you don't have to, but I think the panels with the Hyuga's in Volume 56 were leading to the death.

Mainly with Neji and Hinata fighting side by side and their fathers talking and battling each over. Was it the best way to handle it probably not given the mixed reactions to death. Did it take to long to do it I say yes given that it happened 8 volumes later, but hay it did good on how Obito mocked Naruto's words about not letting his friends die.

 

I believe Neji is going to be ressurrected, all he wanted was to get rid of that mark.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 November 2013 - 10:45 PM.

[Question22]

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Edited by Question22, 04 November 2013 - 10:54 PM.

[sushi.]

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I feel like the only NS fan that disagree with this argument. Downplaying NH's handholding by comparing it with others with completely different context and situations doesn't work. If we'll ever argue against it we should focus on that particurlar scenario and explain why it is not romantic, not turn the focus on others who have absolutely no connection or similarity with it.

 

The argument can be turned against us too. We mentioned it 10-20 pages back, about how many hugs we've seen in the manga prior to the one Sakura gave Naruto.

Edited by sushi., 04 November 2013 - 11:07 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

I believe Neji is going to be ressurrected, all he wanted was to get rid of that mark.

May I ask how you would feel if he isn't?

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's about the atmosphere that tells us if it's love intentional or not. Hand holding didn't have any, unless you want to include Hinata's thought in a way, them be my guess. Hug is not disregarded. Here's the thing: it's best to see one way before you turn Naruto into Mako.

[KnS]

I feel like the only NS fan that disagree with this argument. Downplaying NH's handholding by comparing it with others with completely different context and situations doesn't work. If we'll ever argue against it we should focus on that particurlar scenario and explain why it is not romantic, not turn the focus on others who have absolutely no connection or similarity with it.

 

The argument can be turned against us too. We mentioned it 10-20 pages back, about how many hugs we've seen in the manga prior to the one Sakura gave Naruto.

 

You're not.  :)  I think you're absolutely right.  The reason Naruto holding Hinata's hand in #615 is irrelevant to shipping is not because other character have held hands at some point; it is not relevant to shipping because Naruto has no romantic feelings for Hinata.  None, and there is no convincing or compelling evidence to the contrary.  

 

If there was one single panel to be found where Naruto expressed a thought or feeling about Hinata that even remotely approached the blatant romantic thought/feelings he has expressed for Sakura, then #615 might have meant something.  But in the absence such, all it meant was Hinata achieved her goal.

 

The hand-holding in #615 was significant and different than other examples because it was Hinata's opportunity to stand by Naruto's side and hold his hand, tying off that loose end and going a long way toward bringing her development to a conclusion.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
You're not.  :)  I think you're absolutely right.  The reason Naruto holding Hinata's hand in #615 is irrelevant to shipping is not because other character have held hands at some point; it is not relevant to shipping because Naruto has no romantic feelings for Hinata.  None, and there is no convincing or compelling evidence to the contrary.  
 
If there was one single panel to be found where Naruto expressed a thought or feeling about Hinata that even remotely approached the blatant romantic thought/feelings he has expressed for Sakura, then #615 might have meant something.  But in the absence such, all it meant was Hinata achieved her goal.
 
The hand-holding in #615 was significant and different than other examples because it was Hinata's opportunity to stand by Naruto's side and hold his hand, tying off that loose end and going a long way toward bringing her development to a conclusion.

Nicely said.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

You're not.  :)  I think you're absolutely right.  The reason Naruto holding Hinata's hand in #615 is irrelevant to shipping is not because other character have held hands at some point; it is not relevant to shipping because Naruto has no romantic feelings for Hinata.  None, and there is no convincing or compelling evidence to the contrary.  

 

If there was one single panel to be found where Naruto expressed a thought or feeling about Hinata that even remotely approached the blatant romantic thought/feelings he has expressed for Sakura, then #615 might have meant something.  But in the absence such, all it meant was Hinata achieved her goal.

 

The hand-holding in #615 was significant and different than other examples because it was Hinata's opportunity to stand by Naruto's side and hold his hand, tying off that loose end and going a long way toward bringing her development to a conclusion.

i'll just pick up this.
I mean if we go though this logic the hug is also discarded because Sakura also doesnt have romantic feelings for Naruto and even on the hug she didnt hugged him because she loves him, she truly acknowledged Naruto on this moment, and it was more for Naruto rather than Sakura, it was romantic because Naruto was acknowledged by everyone on the village on the hug his love intererst give to him.

Out of all people it was Sakura who thanked him, we didnt see any villagers saying "thank you" but rather Sakura, and her words were like the words of the villagers too.(but her thank you was greatly emphasized)

That was romantic.

 

About the handholding, it was more of a infatuation moment rather than romance because Naruto held Hinata's hand to transfer chakra plus it was a big moment were Naruto passed down the kyuubi's chakra to his friends(Kishi's words).

Hinata's comment was just to show that she is infatuated with Naruto rather than love, we didnt see Naruto thinking any of physical attributes when she hugged him.

 

That's all.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 November 2013 - 11:35 PM.