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#10781 PhenixElite

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 18 2013, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, the smells of desperation.

I wonder if certain fans are so defensive of NH because they actually know the odds are against them overall. So any kind of development they get is immediately taken out of proportion.

So many stories have this shy girl that gains confidence thanks to the influence of the hero that seeing Hinata's story doesn't feel any different from any of those. Hinata's storyline has always been centered around her. Even chapter 615 was more about her character finally maturing and less about her connection with Naruto. Kurama's interruption also served to minimize Hinata's exclusivity from getting Naruto out of his shock. Naruto doesn't even give her any kind of warm face, he goes back to his tough guy face while thanking her.

I really get the feeling moments like 615 are meant to be more about Hinata's growth and less about pairings. It's thanks to so many shipping discussions that we make ourselves believe that Hinata is more important than what she really is. I don't even want to imagine how things were during Hinata's confession, I didn't see it as a big deal and actually liked that she finally got the courage to reveal her feelings, but from what I hear people in the fandom really got crazy over it.

At times of hinatas confession, when i wasnt even aware of the fact that people really think that NH is a serious pairing, i wasnt even shocked by one bit. Since hinata was introduced the first time, i always knew that she was going to confess her feelings sometimes later in the series, so it really wasnt something special to me.

As soon as i found out that there are fandoms who ship pairings, ii couldnt believe my eyes that people were saying NH will be canon because of the confession. I mean i always knew that there will be a follow up to hinatas confession (like 615 or 573 and still incoming events), but i never took NH as a serious pairing.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:53 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 18 2013, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lucky me. I have time to kill:

Bolded #1: Lol, 540 is literally the only chapter that are keeping NaruHina's hope up, it seems like. There is 615, but 540 is like their lifeline. tongue.gif I strongly disagree with that, there is no way Sakura sees Naruto as just a friend with so many hints dictating otherwise, those close contact hugs, how oversensitive she is to his feelings and safety, and how ridiculously angry and indignant Sakura was when Naruto called her a liar, defending her so-called "fake love". It just doesn't add up, especially how she thinks of him before Sasuke a lot now and wants to relieve him of his burdens. Yamato's unfinished sentence was also very overt and as far as I'm concerned, that was biggest hint ever that Sakura was falling in love with Naruto. It's too obvious, NaruSaku itself is too obvious IMO. It still surprises me how many people think differently.

Honestly, if it wasn't for the 3rd Databook heavily implying she was developing romantic feelings for him, maybe I could take this a little more seriously. However, I just can't really. Sakura has new feelings for Naruto and she doesn't know exactly if it's romantic love or something else entirely. What's the point of the confusion unless Kishi's trying to tell us something? Sakura's still in that confusion stage, of course she wouldn't think of Naruto as someone she's in love with. It'd just be out of place, that's also why her confession didn't come off as sincere in some areas.

I don't understand why just because she was confirmed to love Sasuke (which we already knew), this automatically means she truly isn't in love with Naruto too. You can develop feelings for two people, that seems to be the case here. And Sakura's already not proud of what she feels, expressing a desire to move on. The Kage Summit is the obvious example and so was her reaction to "He must be a really great guy if you love him".

Bolded #2: Romantic attraction has already been confirmed, even though it's not as obvious as her attraction to Sasuke. Too many instances already confirm it: When Naruto returned, Sakura asked him how she looked and was blushing, repeating a lot he had grown. Obviously checking him out. Feeding scene and the way Sakura looked at him ... not attraction? Pfft. Two hug as well implied romantic attraction. First hug was holding his face and really, really close to him. That showed attraction and when she hugged him again, she was blushing while she was saying she why she loved him. It's not overt (except that one reunion scene lol), but it's not non-exsistent.

If you compare NaruHina, it doesn't even have this. Naruto has never blushed or commented positively on her appearance, there isn't even proof he finds her attractive. Not like NaruSaku. Romantic attraction what now?

Bolded #3: I'm in love with NaruHina double standards, they're so hilarious. laugh.gif Why shouldn't Sakura's feelings be the one to change and she loves Naruto back when she hates liking a criminal and wants to be over him? Naruto doesn't show a desire to get over Sakura, let alone having a nearly good reason that would make him consider it seriously. Sakura loving Sasuke? Hasn't stopped him. biggrin.gif

Bolded #4: Umm ... what up with the Harry Potter comparision? Naruto is a shonen manga, not a British novel. Kishimoto isn't J.K Rowling, he has a different story. While I'm not denying he may follow the same route, I can't see it as likely when Naruto has loved Sakura all the way from the Kage Summit, which was a week ago. With the series almost over, if NaruHina happened, it'd be just as much bad writing and forceness like HarryGin. Do you really want NaruHina like that? Are you "satisfied"?

Bolded #5: facepalm.png God, I hate this deserving argument. So, so much. Naruto and Hinata both deserve love from someone, but that doesn't mean their love is "deserved". Love is love, if you love someone it's not supposed to be deserved. All that matters is if you truly love someone. Naruto has always loved Sakura and he has shown unwavering devotion towards her, but that doesn't mean he has to be with her. Sakura's feelings count too, you know. If she really somehow doesn't love him, then it's not her fault. Same goes for Naruto.

Honestly, I don't think Naruto would apreciate very much of you and other people saying Hinata "deserves him" more than Sakura does. Actually, I don't think he'd like this deserving argument at all. He's a person, not an object. This is almost insulting to him and a undercurrent of insult to Sakura. Neither I like.

Bolded #6: I dunno about that. Naruto has talk no jutsued Nagato, Neji, Gaara, Tsunade, and even put a dent in Sasuke's thick skull, if only temporarily. He affects everyone and while it's true Hinata revolves around his entire being, that's why she's a weak character. She can't really stand on her own two feet unless it involves Naruto. She's so heavily dependent on him, it's actually both embarrassing and a disguised insult to her hidden potential.

Bolded #7: Of course, but this doesn't remove the fact that that moment in his life was terribly painful and heartbreaking for him. Do not try and downplay Naruto's pain and sacrifice there, I hate that blatant disregard for him. mad.gif Making that promise hurt him a lot, you could see it in his eyes. His forced grin and how his arm was shaking when he did the thumbs up (Something overlooked, but it emphasised the pain of that moment) made that even more clear. That promise was entirely connected to how he felt about Sakura, you practically shot yourself in the foot by bring this up. Naruto was being unbelievably self-sacrificing and thinking about Sakura's happiness, despite how much it hurt. No matter who it is directed at, that type of devotion deserves to be acknowledged and sympathized with.

I'm very big on this moment and I love Naruto's character so much, seeing others brush off what he went through bothers me a lot. So what if it's Sakura? You should be feeling Naruto's pain and sacrifice right there, not denying it, downplaying it, or going absolutely rage mode.

Bolded #8: More of Hinata's unreal dependency? How can you find her neediness "cute" when all it does is prove how single-minded and underdeveloped she is as a character? Answer me this: Is there more important things in the world then Naruto? In Hinata's perspective, no. She abandons her heiress role responsibility to chase after a guy's affections when he probably doesn't even like that way IMO. Sorry, I don't find that great. Hinata's changes is touching, but like I said he's reverted evil villains to the light side with only words before. That's actually a bigger impact than changing Hinata. It's Naruto's talent, nothing to single anyone out over.

You wanna know something unbelievable? That's exactly why I love Sakura so much. She has so many more layers and depth to her character than Hinata, she's not entirely dependent on one thing to grow up as a character. Honestly, even Part 1 Sakura never has been like that. Like you said, it was rivalry and a desire for acknowledgement that spurred it on, even if the heart of it (Sasuke) was misguided. She always wanted to be her own person, she didn't want to be shadowed by Ino or wilting away as a nobody. Sakura wanted respect, she wanted to prove herself to others, especially Ino. Hinata does not have this rivalry, Sakura does. She always had this drive, even when she was younger and became much more outspoken about it. It was about Sasuke heavily in Part 1, something that makes me facepalm, but it was never just him. Sakura wanted to prove something to herself and everyone. Ironically, she's just like Naruto in that aspect. Sure, hers was more heavily romantic-centered, but their desire to be acknowledged was still the same. Hinata only wanted one person to acknowledge her, Sakura and Naruto did not.

And I will say this: How can you so easily ignore all the changes that Naruto created in Sakura? Yeah, it wasn't just Naruto, exactly what I like about her. But if you really pay attention to Part 2 Sakura, she was bound to always be of use to Naruto, saying "We'll be together ... we'll do this together, I promised him". She sets herself to do as much as she can for Naruto, no matter the cost. Naruto changed her. Through her relationship with him, I daresay she became more sympathetic and selfless, a lot more compassionate. He's part of the reason why she's so much more determined to be useful and never let him do anything alone. Sakura isn't as heavily affected by him as Hinata, she has her own goals. She's her own person. But still ... Sakura's main drive is to protect Naruto and be there for him. Protecting Sasuke and bringing him home is another example, but the confession proved that she'd rather think of Naruto and how to protect him, both physically and emotionally. Sasuke came second, she no longer sees that as important or more so than Naruto. If you compare this to Part 1 Sakura, it's a real shock.

Bolded #9: What ... I can't even. laugh.gif LMAO. That's hilarious. xD Hinata has been there for Naruto about three times or so, one of which ended in disaster and more complications. (Her confession) Deserves to be acknowledged for sure and considered, but you're being unbelievably ignorant if you actually believe Sakura is never there for Naruto emotionally. One of the reasons I ship NS is because she's there for him much more than Hinata is, I wouldn't ship it if I saw differently. It's not even about giving him confidence, it's about just supporting him and being there for him. When she found out the Akatsuki was trying to take the Jinchuriki out, she immediately asked Chiyo how to remove it so he wouldn't have to suffer the constant threat (Even Naruto was surprised at that one lol) and then when she found out he would die from it, Sakura was horrified and immediately cried hard for him. Tenchi Bridge scene is a ridiculous moment of importance and "being there for him" moment. She saw the promise and the how hard he pushed himself, to the point of self-destruction. Sakura could not stand by and watch this, not when she knew some part of her was to blame. She didn't want to lose him because of Sasuke, that's what her true feelings showed. It was a foreshadowing of the Kage Summit which was entirely centered around that. The amazing thing is that she said that she would rescue Sasuke, she'd take the burden. And then as soon as the Unfinished sentence hit, Sakura asked if she could learn Yamato's jutsu so she could stabilize him next time. She was willing to do anything for him and it was already way early in Part 2. Then lamented on never doing enough for him, only small and stupid things IHO. She also lied about Naruto hurting her arm to him and beared absolutely no grudge at all to him, even though he nearly killed her. If that's not love, then I don't know what is.

Sakura's confession was so massive, I can't believe I even have to explain it. She was willing to give up on Sasuke and get ride of the promise for Naruto's sake. She was worried about his recklessness and "road to self-destruction" again, she even screamed in his face he should think about himself for once instead of others. The guy she's supposed to love, Sasuke, paled in comparision to her. Naruto was her main concern, she knew how much Sasuke being eliminated would hurt him. Sakura didn't want that, even if she had to "lie" about how she truly felt. If Sasuke was so important to her as some claim, she would've put everyone to sleep with her sleeping poision and kill him on the spot because "she loves him". However, only Naruto mattered to her. Even more recently, she promised herself that her and Naruto would be together, she refuses to let him do anything alone anymore. Sakura's main wish right now is to be there for Naruto and stop him from hurting himself, as it has been for a long time.

Hinata there for Naruto? Sakura beats her far too much in that category. What were Naruto's internal struggles? Bearing the burden of being a Jinchuriki. Sakura: 1. Hinata: 0 (She knows but she doesn't do anything). Feeling like everyone deserves more happiness and benefits than he does. Sakura: 2. Hinata: 0. Sasuke constantly causes him internal heartbreak and strain, but he still is driven to save him, even at the point of self-destruction. Sakura: 3. Hinata: 0. Naruto does everything on his own, he never lets anyone in. Sakura: 4. Hinata: 0. Those are his inner conflicts, all of them Sakura knows by heart while Hinata either remains ignorant or doesn't do anything. Sakura has acted on all of these conflicts for him in her own way, actively. She understands him. Hinata only knows the surface, not his flaws and what truly affects him. Not like Sakura does.

Bolded 10#: You just shot yourself in the foot while bringing up the "She never hated him and saw his loneliness" argument. Hinata saw this, but she did absolutely nothing for him. You said it yourself, yet you try and excuse it. I understand Hinata's excuse, she was shy. It's understandable, but it doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Naruto was suffering, he was trying to deal with his loneliness but to him, no one cared. Hinata cared but she didn't care enough to try and be his friend. Instead, she used his efforts and pain as a motivation to better herself and become a better person. Using that as a motivation and then not help him? That's so unbelievably selfish, I can't even begin to cover it in words. Whether she didn't know he was suffering or she did, it puts her in a bad light either way. If she knew, she was too shy to know him, being selfish and if she didn't, then it just proves Hinata really didn't understand Naruto at all. It's negative towards NaruHina, not positive.

So? Sakura hated him in the beginning and she was mean towards him yet is still one of Naruto's most important people (T7, Iruka, Jiraiya, his parents). The difference between her and Hinata is that Sakura was first girl to openly acknowledge and support him, Hinata was still being silent. Consequently, Naruto appreciated and recognized Sakura's show of encouragement more than Hinata's. It's her own fault she's not one of his important bonds. And what I find interesting is that, unlike the rest, Sakura never hated Naruto because of her parents. She hated him because he was annoying.

I bet you anything it was easier for Naruto to open up to Hinata because he wasn't that close to her, not enough to really care how she'd react. He knew she was nice and I guess he just felt like venting, it wasn't much of a concern. With Sakura and his other close friends, Naruto is notorious for hiding his true feelings from others because he doesn't want them to worry. So, in this case, Naruto not saying how he really feels shows how close he is, at least considering T7. It's not like Naruto ever really looked back on it anyway, so I don't see the big deal. mellow.gif

Bolded #11: This is sugar-coated in such biasness, it's unbelievable. Hinata was there for two reasons: 1). She had no faith in him at all, she automatically guessed he'd lose before even knowing what was happening (Did Sakura show this? No, I think not. She believed in him more than Hinata). 2). Hinata has the Byakugan, she could see he was in danger. (Do you honestly think Sakura would of just stood there if she knew? Of course not, she just wasn't filled in). She tried to protect him, so it kinda was "in a time of need".

However, it wasn't very much supporting him emotionally. It was mostly about Hinata. She said she was selfish, which she was. Confessing her love to him and going on a suicide attempt, knowing she would probably die. Hinata had to know that by saying she loved him, Naruto would have increased guilt, fury, and pain. She had to know this, it's just common sense. Yet she did it anyway, cue 6-tails. Her confession was not supporting him emotionally, it was a trainwreck of disaster and wreaked even more havoc on his mind. So really, Hinata only has two supporting moments. Two. They're cute and all but it's not to the extent of Sakura.

Also ... have you maybe wondered all those moments might be for Hinata development and growth, not NaruHina becoming canon? No, of course not! It's taboo. wink.gif

Bolded #12: If you looked more deeply in the text, Naruto was referring to reminding him of not giving up for his friend's memories. Not "You always supported me when no one else did! I love that about you!" That's a bit of a biased point of view, especially considering multiple people have been there for Naruto, not just Hinata. I also will remind you he also thanked Neji. rolleyes.gif

Bolded #13: It's because it doesn't, plain and simple. Hinata knows nothing about what Naruto actually goes through as a person, she's ignorant and doesn't help him with the 4 main conflicts that denfine him. Her panel time with him is small, yet she claims to be so deeply in love with him. Hinata barely knows him, she knows and loves only the surface. While Naruto has continuously friendzoned her so much throughout the series, it's actually laughable IMO. Not even her confession changed his feelings, he was still in love with Sakura and does not shoot down a possibility of being with her. He still wants that, Sakura's confession showed that.

Then you're going to always be frustrated because us NaruSaku fans are always going to be saying how much NaruHina doesn't make sense. It just doesn't, it's development is too small. If we're wrong and NaruHina does happen, it'll be bad writing. No questions asked, that's just what it'll be if you compare it to NaruSaku.

Wow, I disagreed with so much in this post. O.O Nevertheless, I like this NaruHina fan. happy.gif The person isn't coming off as arrogant and realizes they might be wrong. I like those type of NHers, it's a real breath of fresh air compared to the more aggressive ones.


Wow..... a_thumbs.gif Never thought i'd have someone fully analyze that post and respond to it like you just did...

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:58 AM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 18 2013, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At times of hinatas confession, when i wasnt even aware of the fact that people really think that NH is a serious pairing, i wasnt even shocked by one bit. Since hinata was introduced the first time, i always knew that she was going to confess her feelings sometimes later in the series, so it really wasnt something special to me.

As soon as i found out that there are fandoms who ship pairings, ii couldnt believe my eyes that people were saying NH will be canon because of the confession. I mean i always knew that there will be a follow up to hinatas confession (like 615 or 573 and still incoming events), but i never took NH as a serious pairing.


You know what's hilarious? I was exactly the same way when I first joined the Naruto fandom. I've been a NaruSaku fan since 2007 and barely even registered NaruHina as a pairing that existed. It was just like "Oh, Hinata has a crush on Naruto. Okay." Then I look more on online forums and youtube and I see people saying stuff like NaruHina will happen, Sakura doesn't love Naruto, and Naruto is totally falling in love with Hinata. I honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing, it was the most confusing thing I had ever heard of. laugh.gif I didn't make a very big deal out of NH, never have. Then I see the Naruto fandom ... it's like a "Wtf did I miss?" err.gif

I'm a lot more used to NaruHina's popularity and arguments now, but I will never forget the level of confusion I had that day I discovered the SasuSaku/NaruHina fandoms. It was just ... unreal.

Codus N: Lol, James a pedo. 111189.gif I usually agree with what he says a lot, I'll never forget that really deep discussion I had with him in the "Walls of Naruto" thread. XD Though I don't think I hate Hinata as much as he does, though I don't really like her or anything like that.

On an unrelated note, I'm going to try and post my "Why NaruSaku is the most genuine relationship" argument sometime soon in Tumblr. If only I knew how to use it correctly. dry.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 18 February 2013 - 09:59 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 18 2013, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what's hilarious? I was exactly the same way when I first joined the Naruto fandom. I've been a NaruSaku fan since 2007 and barely even registered NaruHina as a pairing that existed. It was just like "Oh, Hinata has a crush on Naruto. Okay." Then I look more on online forums and youtube and I see people saying stuff like NaruHina will happen, Sakura doesn't love Naruto, and Naruto is totally falling in love with Hinata. I honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing, it was the most confusing thing I had ever heard of. laugh.gif I didn't make a very big deal out of NH, never have. Then I see the Naruto fandom ... it's like a "Wtf did I miss?" err.gif

I'm a lot more used to NaruHina's popularity and arguments now, but I will never forget the level of confusion I had that day I discovered the SasuSaku/NaruHina fandoms. It was just ... unreal.

Codus N: Lol, James a pedo. 111189.gif I usually agree with what he says a lot, I'll never forget that really deep discussion I had with him in the "Walls of Naruto" thread. XD Though I don't think I hate Hinata as much as he does, though I don't really like her or anything like that.

On an unrelated note, I'm going to try and post my "Why NaruSaku is the most genuine relationship" argument sometime soon in Tumblr. If only I knew how to use it correctly. dry.gif

Seems like there are a lot of people like that biggrin.gif
I wish i never found out that there are fandoms. Damn internet laugh.gif

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:27 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Feb 18 2013, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you seen this guys?! facepalm.png

http://araitsume.tum...u-naruto-hinata


edit: For those who do not know Kishi said in an interview that if Naruto had a son, his name would be Shinachiku.


I KNEW IT! I knew that they would pull out a crap like this!. So ナ ("Na") is their red line of the fate kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Feb 18 2013, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
James should be on that list as well, NS4Life happy.gif . Both of them are the best posters here IMO, beating out a lot of senior members here, in fact. In fact, just by reading their posts, I get the feeling they can actually read each other's thoughts. It makes me think they're actually a married couple. But then that would make James a pedo if that were true 111189.gif .

EDIT: just wanted to share a little something pertaining the shipping wars....



hmm for me the good poster is inferno, narusaku4life, and darkest.



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 17 2013, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok i have been on the offical forum scouting around and i came across this post by an NH fan.

WARNING IT IS A HUGE POST!!!!!


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I’ve made posts about this before, but it’s been a long time and my reasons and evidence have grown, so I guess I’ll do another one. Warning: it’s long.

As a huge fan of NaruHina, I'll admit, I used to have my doubts that NaruHina could actually happen, due to the way that Hinata stuttered/blushed/fainted every time she talked to Naruto. No matter how much I wanted the pairing to happen, I knew that she was never going to get Naruto's attention if she kept doing that. I wasn't sure if she would be emotionally strong enough to handle the baggage that Naruto, as the Child of Prophecy, hero of the Leaf Village, and Nine-Tails' Jinchūriki, would inevitably have. However, ever since the Pain arc, I've been convinced that she does have what it takes to be with Naruto, and her chapters in the Fourth Shinobi World War arc have only cemented that belief.

So why NaruHina and not NaruSaku for me? After all, if Hinata has what it takes to be with Naruto, so does Sakura, right? Well, she doesn't have the number-one most important thing of all: love for Naruto. Now, some people could debate as to whether she's starting to have feelings for him or not, but it's been shown that she still loves Sasuke. (She does think about him, not Naruto, when the fodder ninja who gave her a love letter mentions the guy she loves.) Personal opinion? I don't think she should. I think her continued love for him is completely stupid, and even though I want Naruto to be with Hinata, I think Sakura should love Naruto instead of Sasuke by now after all Naruto's done for her and all Sasuke's done to her. But I just don't think Sakura is in love with Naruto. I think she does love him platonically—she’s known him for a long time, she clearly cares about him, and he's almost certainly her best friend—but in order for that love to go from friend love to romantic love, there has to be attraction there, and Sakura has shown no signs at all of romantic attraction or anything more than a friendly care and concern for Naruto. I can relate—I have a guy who's one of my best friends who has feelings for me that I don't return; I care about him a lot as a person and I love him as a close friend, but I'm not attracted to him, even though many people mistake my close-friend-feelings for him for romantic feelings.

Then, people say that Sakura may not love Naruto now, but that her feelings for him will change and that, by the end, he will still love her, and she will then love him back. Well, in that case, why couldn’t Naruto’s feelings be the ones that change, and that by the end, Hinata will still love him, and he will then love HER back? Well, some would assume that, because Sakura’s female, her feelings will be the ones that change in the end, while Naruto, as a male, will keep the same feelings the whole time. That stereotype is totally dumb because it’s wrong, like, half the time. I can promise that my feelings for my friend won’t change; I’m simply never going to see him in a romantic way, and in the end, his feelings will change and he will move on to someone else. People also assume that, because Naruto is the main character, his feelings will always stay the same. Classic example of a male main character whose feelings did change? Harry Potter. Harry had a girl who had feelings for him throughout the series since her introduction—Ginny Weasley—but he didn’t return those feelings for the first more-than-half of the series. In fact, three books showed Harry’s growing feelings for someone else—Cho Chang—versus only two books that showed Harry’s growing feelings for Ginny. And yet, whom did Harry end up with in the end? That’s right: Ginny, whom he initially did not have feelings for at all. Ginny, like Hinata, was an important character, but not the female lead; also, like Hinata, she was initially very shy, could barely talk around her crush, and blushed every time they were in the same room together, but later became much more confident, both in herself and when she was near the guy she loved. Again like Hinata, she had a crush on the male main character that later blossomed into love, and, though Ginny did date other guys, her feelings for Harry never wavered, just like Hinata’s feelings for Naruto have not wavered. The “Naruto’s the main character” argument is not a good one.

So why do I love NaruHina? Well, I could say that it’s for many of the “typical” reasons—she’s always loved him, she deserves him, he deserves her—and it would be true. But it’s about more than just that. It’s about the effect that they have on each other. Naruto’s effect on Hinata is more obvious; no one has affected Hinata like Naruto has. Moreover, Naruto has been a much greater impact on Hinata’s life than on Sakura’s. Sure, he made the promise to Sakura to bring Sasuke back, and sure, she greatly appreciated that. But Naruto wasn’t just doing that for her; as he’s said himself, he genuinely wants to bring Sasuke back to the village for more reasons than just that promise. And Naruto’s resolve and strength did inspire Sakura and increase her desire to become stronger, yes, but you could say the same for many other characters, including Kiba, Neji, Shikamaru, Lee, and many, many others. However, Hinata’s very personality was changed because of her inspiration from Naruto; he ultimately saved her from a very long, weak, pitiful existence. She even said that she used to always cry and give up before she met Naruto, but that his inspiration was the primary source of her strength and her will to get stronger. While Sakura had other people who impacted her more than Naruto did (like Ino and, through her desire to win his heart, Sasuke), Naruto was the center of Hinata’s motivation, the core to her strength, and this is reiterated by the fact that her ninja way is the same as his.

Of course, most fans, regardless of which pairing they support, acknowledge Naruto’s effect on Hinata. But what many people do underestimate is the positive effect that Hinata has also had on Naruto. As far as Sakura goes: she has, of course, healed Naruto’s wounds and physically assisted him throughout the series, but really, what has she done for him emotionally? When has she been his emotional rock, who gave him confidence when he needed it and prevented him from giving in or falling into despair? I can only think of one occasion: when, after the first time they failed to bring Sasuke back in Part II, she told him not to cry, that crying wouldn’t bring Sasuke back, and that they’d succeed next time (while, btw, Sai and Yamato were also encouraging him). There may be more that I can’t think of right now; however, there aren’t many. However, Hinata has been there in some of Naruto’s greatest times of need. During the darkest time in his life (at the academy as a child), Hinata was the only one who did not make fun of him (while everyone else, including Sakura, did). True, she didn’t stand up for him, but no one did, and at least she didn’t make his life worse, unlike all of the other students. In Part I, during one of the few times that Naruto ever openly doubted himself, he was actually comfortable enough with Hinata to share doubts that he never even shared with his own team, and, despite her extreme nervousness around him, she was able to say enough to restore his confidence. In Part II, she’s only gotten better; in the Pain arc, she was the only one who came to his rescue, doing so just when Naruto was starting to doubt himself due to Pain’s words. Hinata’s confession and subsequent apparent death ultimately saved Naruto’s life; otherwise, Pain would have taken him away and he probably would have been killed. People say that Naruto would have reacted that same way if Pain had hurt any other of his friends, and you know what? I agree. I’m not trying to say that Naruto’s reaction proved that he loves her. But none of his other friends DID interfere—Hinata was the one who did. Why? Because, like I said, she’s there for him in his times of need. And it was here that she was finally able to talk to Naruto without blushing or stammering, and it was here that I became convinced that she has a real shot with Naruto. And now, at the current point in the story, I’m more convinced than ever. Naruto once again began to doubt himself when his friend was killed on the battlefield, and could have given in to Obito. However, Hinata, despite her own despair (since her cousin and friend died protecting her and Naruto), was able to pull herself together and, once again, tell Naruto exactly what he needed to hear to regain his confidence and restore his will to fight, again without stammering or blushing. Just like before, anyone else could have been the one to help him, but again, it was Hinata, because again, Hinata was there for him in his time of need. In fact, Naruto even noted in 615 that she has always been by his side. She also helped him in today’s chapter when his arm was in bad shape. It could have been anyone—it could have been a freaking medical ninja—but again, it was her.

Now, I know this does not a pairing make. Right now, neither pairing works, because Sakura has not been proven to love Naruto, and Naruto has not been proven to love Hinata. The love has to be mutual for the relationship to work, and whichever character does have a change of heart will dictate the pairing that actually does happen. But many fans complain that NaruHina fans aren’t logical, so I’m presenting my logical argument about why Naruto and Hinata would be a good match for each other and why their relationship would work.

Sorry for the insane length of my post. As I’ve said before, pairings are not up to us, and I’m cool with that; I just get exasperated when people try to say that NaruHina doesn’t make sense. As I’ve done my best to show here, it does.

Thoughts???

I know it's not cool to reply someome who cannot reply back but i'll short here.

I could say that it’s for many of the “typical” reasons—she’s always loved him, she deserves him, he deserves her—and it would be true. But it’s about more than just that. It’s about the effect that they have on each other. Naruto’s effect on Hinata is more obvious; no one has affected Hinata like Naruto has. Moreover, Naruto has been a much greater impact on Hinata’s life than on Sakura’s.
Yeah, agree with the fact that Naruto has much more impact on Hinata's life than Sakura's but what about Hinata's impact on Naruto's life?
It's zero, Hinata has anything to offer that can add to Naruto or even complete him, But Sakura affected Naruto's life and Naruto affected her life as well, she was like Hinata's who her eyes only were on Sasuke maybe that Naruto showed her what strenght really is and moreover that Sasuke is not everything for her, this is were her devotion to protect both comes, she may still love Sasuke but Naruto is more important that's why i think she may fall in love with Naruto in the end, it's kinda illogical to put "your love's" life on a background when it comes to Naruto, she will love him and the difference is that it's gradual not just "Holy kitten Naruto is training hard and then fall in love with him".

The rest when it started with HP well let's stop be here, Naruto is a cliché shounen and HP is just a fantasy novel with BAZZINGA.
Well i'm not an expert on HP but Harry never showed romantic intentions with Hermione not even love, and i think he never showed he really loved Gina before i think he loved her after they started dating for me getting with Gina was like joining Ron's family, they were pratically their family way before he dated her so it was kinda reasonable for him to date Gina.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 17 2013, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Except her breast, Sakura has a perfect body, especially her butt 121721.gif 121721.gif
Ah...! And I find her face very most beautiful than Hinata's... I really don't know those people who are stating that Sakura is ugly and looks like a man... This gets me upset hm.png

Yes I agree I don't understand either I guess their just jealous because hinata doesn't have people in the actual manga saying she's beautiful and liking her so they try to down sakura.thats why I stop going to yt because of the comments about sakura's appearance make me angry.sakura figure fitting for her slim just like kushina.


Look at chibi sakura isn't she just plain awesome

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (piinkfairymagic @ Feb 18 2013, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes I agree I don't understand either I guess their just jealous because hinata doesn't have people in the actual manga saying she's beautiful and liking her so they try to down sakura.thats why I stop going to yt because of the comments about sakura's appearance make me angry.sakura figure fitting for her slim just like kushina.


I would actually love to meet Sakura in real life. But I would probably run avay from Hinata. Her eyes may be excusable in manga and anime but in real life it would be extremly creepy. So to all the people that say Sakura is ugly I would love to see them meet Hinata in a dark street at night. I mean she has a nice personality but the eyes are not natural.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE (Kimmy @ Feb 18 2013, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
?

In that chapter with Hinata, she does in fact say that she'll stop chasing Naruto but she says she'll be right next to him instead. lol

I don't see where I'm wrong ?
She said that she'll be next to him at THE BATTLEFIELD, HOLDING HIS HANDS, and she did.
But the giving up thing is AFTER WAR, and war isn't finished yet.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Feb 18 2013, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see where I'm wrong ?
She said that she'll be next to him at THE BATTLEFIELD, HOLDING HIS HANDS, and she did.
But the giving up thing is AFTER WAR, and war isn't finished yet.

We may go in circles but what you said is a contradiction why she would give up on Naruto.
The hug scene was romantic but Naruto didnt hugged Sakura back because he was surprised with Sakura showing affection towards him, the only who didnt liked was Lee who obviously has a crush on Sakura, Hinata didnt got upset because of Naruto which didnt hugged back.

But going back why she would give up on Naruto?
Like someome who pointed out before Hinata has had any angst on her feelings for Naruto but if NS happens sure that it will be at the ending and will wish him to be happy.

Lee, Sakura, Naruto, Karin, Ino all of those had some angst when it comes ot their feelings while Hinata not.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Feb 18 2013, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see where I'm wrong ?
She said that she'll be next to him at THE BATTLEFIELD, HOLDING HIS HANDS, and she did.
But the giving up thing is AFTER WAR, and war isn't finished yet.

There are two different options how to interpret hinatas words.
1.) she means that she will stop chasing him after the war, because shes already together with him.
2.) she means that she will stop chasing him after the war, because she knows that she will never get naruto to love her back.

Honestly i always thought that hinata ment the first one, but since 615 im not sure anymore since she already was able to stand by narutos side and was holding his hand and it all happend in the middle of the war not in the end and after the war. It was also made without romantic intentions (at least from narutos side), so im slowly starting to believe that hinata maybe ment the second one.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:37 PM

an important news here:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4087206815/
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4087206823/

Two special "books" will come out on 15 march. The books, named "The words that bonds" will be two: One named "The scroll of Earth" and other "the scroll of Heaven". There will also an interview from Kishimoto. Hope there will be some good things

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#10794 HauntedCake

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 18 2013, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are two different options how to interpret hinatas words.
1.) she means that she will stop chasing him after the war, because shes already together with him.
2.) she means that she will stop chasing him after the war, because she knows that she will never get naruto to love her back.

Honestly i always thought that hinata ment the first one, but since 615 im not sure anymore since she already was able to stand by narutos side and was holding his hand and it all happend in the middle of the war not in the end and after the war. It was also made without romantic intentions (at least from narutos side), so im slowly starting to believe that hinata maybe ment the second one.


Not sure about the first one. I think it means that she is going to change the way she acts towards naruto (from being shy to upfront much like sakura)

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:42 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 18 2013, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
an important news here:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4087206815/
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4087206823/

Two special "books" will come out on 15 march. The books, named "The words that bonds" will be two: One named "The scroll of Earth" and other "the scroll of Heaven". There will also an interview from Kishimoto. Hope there will be some good things


The scroll of Earth and Heaven, huh? rolleyes.gif

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#10796 PhenixElite

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 18 2013, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
an important news here:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4087206815/
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4087206823/

Two special "books" will come out on 15 march. The books, named "The words that bonds" will be two: One named "The scroll of Earth" and other "the scroll of Heaven". There will also an interview from Kishimoto. Hope there will be some good things

This forum is called heaven & earth and the book are called scroll of heaven and scroll of earth.
It would be so ironic if there are no NS realted things in it.

Or just imagine there are NH hints in it lmao. laugh.gif

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 18 2013, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are two different options how to interpret hinatas words.
1.) she means that she will stop chasing him after the war, because shes already together with him.
2.) she means that she will stop chasing him after the war, because she knows that she will never get naruto to love her back.

Honestly i always thought that hinata ment the first one, but since 615 im not sure anymore since she already was able to stand by narutos side and was holding his hand and it all happend in the middle of the war not in the end and after the war. It was also made without romantic intentions (at least from narutos side), so im slowly starting to believe that hinata maybe ment the second one.

You decide to stop eating candy after let's say February 27th. Right before that date, you have to eat lots of candy to make up that you won't eat it again. tongue.gif

It's the same with Hinata. I think the handholding comment was symbolic, but she literally held his hand so..before letting go of him, she has to cross the very same line she will never be close to again.

Did anyone get that example? huh? XD

Edited by sushi., 18 February 2013 - 01:43 PM.

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#10798 Chatte

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 18 2013, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This forum is called heaven & earth and the book are called scroll of heaven and scroll of earth.
It would be so ironic if there are no NS realted things in it.

Or just imagine there are NH hints in it lmao. laugh.gif


To be honest, I doubt it will be nothing NS related. Let's be serious, Kishi didn't compare them to Heaven and Earth for nothing. wink.gif

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#10799 六道仙人

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Feb 18 2013, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, I doubt it will be nothing NS related. Let's be serious, Kishi didn't compare them to Heaven and Earth for nothing. wink.gif


well, to be exact... it isn't a official book. We're talking of two book where each situation is examined by a critic of manga. This would be interesting, we would know how a neutral one could see the situations in this manga...

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Feb 18 2013, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure about the first one. I think it means that she is going to change the way she acts towards naruto (from being shy to upfront much like sakura)

But why did she said that shes going to stand next to him holding his hand and will be walking with him. For me that sounds more romantic then just changing the way she acts towards naruto. Its sounds like shes sure that she will be together with naruto after the war ends, but after 615 i think that she maybe ment something different like sojobo pointed out.

@sushi: sorry i relly didnt get the example laugh.gif . No wait sorry i just read it again and now i get it XD.
@chatte: well lets hope so biggrin.gif the books are release in march, sakuras birthday month.

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