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[harry4e]

Was it me or did we just see an extended chapter, where most pages were spent introducing the participants and te rules then only gave a few pages to the actual event..I feel trolled somewhat....But damn that was probably awesome.

[Codus N]

Just found the time to comment on this.

Now then.... y'know what, I'm thinking Mashima is a better manga-ka than the Big 3 combined as of now. This chapter simply proves it.

[merryGOflava]

sooo ezra..... --Click here to view--

she might as well be the main character.....shes stronger than him....or so it seems......i dont know...i should like ezra kicking butt since im a girl.....but she seems so mary sue.......

[Catwho]

I don't think Erza is really a Mary Sue. She has always been insanely strong, but she has flaws to balance out that strength (her cake addiction, her extensive wardrobe and shopping habits, her stage fright, her emotional vulnerability when it comes to Jellal.) Natsu and Gray love her, but they're also slightly terrified of her. Her flaws are often played up for comedic value, but that's going to be the case in any shounen action manga.

Now, if Erza ended up paired with Natsu, she might be treading into Mary Sue territory. But by all accounts this manga is still Lucy's story, and Carla's premonition involved Lucy in the midst of the catastrophe, not Erza. Doesn't mean that we can't see the Queen of the Fairies proving that she's still the boss.

I think it's a good thing that Fairy Tail not only has so many well rounded characters, but also has overpowered girls too. Why should the boys get to have all the fun?

[Sakura Blossoms]

I think it's a good thing that Fairy Tail not only has so many well rounded characters, but also has overpowered girls too. Why should the boys get to have all the fun?

^ This

[redragon88]

I don't think Erza is really a Mary Sue. She has always been insanely strong, but she has flaws to balance out that strength (her cake addiction, her extensive wardrobe and shopping habits, her stage fright, her emotional vulnerability when it comes to Jellal.) Natsu and Gray love her, but they're also slightly terrified of her. Her flaws are often played up for comedic value, but that's going to be the case in any shounen action manga.

Now, if Erza ended up paired with Natsu, she might be treading into Mary Sue territory. But by all accounts this manga is still Lucy's story, and Carla's premonition involved Lucy in the midst of the catastrophe, not Erza. Doesn't mean that we can't see the Queen of the Fairies proving that she's still the boss.

I think it's a good thing that Fairy Tail not only has so many well rounded characters, but also has overpowered girls too. Why should the boys get to have all the fun?

You're right. Fairy Tail is actually pretty balanced in gender when it comes to powerful mages. For every Natsu, Laxus and Jellal there's an Erza, Mira and Kagura.

You know, it would've actually been greater if Natsu's rival had turned out to be Erza instead of Grey. Is not that often when the main male has a female rival. In shojo manga many main females have a male rival, but you never see the role reversal of a guy trying to surpass a powerful female during shonen.

I really hope that we see a continuation of the Natsu vs Erza fight that got interrupted way back in the beginning of the story, I actually fought back then that part of Natsu's development would come from becoming strong enough to finally defeat Erza in combat but it was never resumed. If that fight never happens then I at least hope that Erza give some acknowledgement of how Natsu has finally surpassed her.

[Catwho]

You're right. Fairy Tail is actually pretty balanced in gender when it comes to powerful mages. For every Natsu, Laxus and Jellal there's an Erza, Mira and Kagura.

You know, it would've actually been greater if Natsu's rival had turned out to be Erza instead of Grey. Is not that often when the main male has a female rival. In shojo manga many main females have a male rival, but you never see the role reversal of a guy trying to surpass a powerful female during shonen.

I really hope that we see a continuation of the Natsu vs Erza fight that got interrupted way back in the beginning of the story, I actually fought back then that part of Natsu's development would come from becoming strong enough to finally defeat Erza in combat but it was never resumed. If that fight never happens then I at least hope that Erza give some acknowledgement of how Natsu has finally surpassed her.

Currently watching through the anime right now, and at least in that version, during the Phantom Lord arc, Erza does exactly that: She tells Natsu that he has the power inside to be greater than her, if he can tap into it. (She may have said that in the manga but I don't remember. I need to just go ahead and spend the money on the US release to have as a reference on my bookshelf...)

Edited by Catwho, 28 May 2012 - 12:31 AM.

[redragon88]

Currently watching through the anime right now, and at least in that version, during the Phantom Lord arc, Erza does exactly that: She tells Natsu that he has the power inside to be greater than her, if he can tap into it. (She may have said that in the manga but I don't remember. I need to just go ahead and spend the money on the US release to have as a reference on my bookshelf...)

She does say it in the manga (I thought you'd want to know). She says Natsu is the one that shall surpass her, but she worded it as something that will happen in the future. Some time has passed since then so I wonder if she'll finally acknowledge it as a present thing. I just hope the series doesn't end with Natsu still trying to challenge Erza, I want that to be resolved before. I do think that Natsu already has magic power a little stronger than Erza's, even without Dragon Force, but since he only fully summons his "Flame of Emotion" in a life or death situation Erza can get the upper hand in a normal just-for-fun battle.

If a fight between them never happens I, at least, want Erza to acknowledge that Natsu has become stronger than her already in the present.

Edited by redragon88, 28 May 2012 - 01:15 AM.

[Codus N]

I think it's a good thing that Fairy Tail not only has so many well rounded characters, but also has overpowered girls too. Why should the boys get to have all the fun?

Agreed. I think this is something FT has over the Big 3. If you look at the Big 3, the females are often on the bottom-middle tier while FT's power divide between the genders are much more balanced. Which leads to a richer quality of characters.

EDIT: I just realized this until someone on TVtropes pointed it out. When Natsu gave up the fight against ST for Happy, the troper pointed out that Natsu's taking the lesson taught by Gildartz an arc ago to heart. It makes a lot of sense too. We just didn't think hard enough.

Edited by Codus N, 28 May 2012 - 03:24 AM.

[Smiter]

I don't think Erza is really a Mary Sue. She has always been insanely strong, but she has flaws to balance out that strength (her cake addiction, her extensive wardrobe and shopping habits, her stage fright, her emotional vulnerability when it comes to Jellal.) Natsu and Gray love her, but they're also slightly terrified of her. Her flaws are often played up for comedic value, but that's going to be the case in any shounen action manga.

Now, if Erza ended up paired with Natsu, she might be treading into Mary Sue territory. But by all accounts this manga is still Lucy's story, and Carla's premonition involved Lucy in the midst of the catastrophe, not Erza. Doesn't mean that we can't see the Queen of the Fairies proving that she's still the boss.

I think it's a good thing that Fairy Tail not only has so many well rounded characters, but also has overpowered girls too. Why should the boys get to have all the fun?

Agreed.

It frustrates me when female characters are held back *cough*Naruto*cough*. Having strong characters from both genders always makes character development and variety more interesting. Of course, I'm not just talking about physical strength, I'm also talking about strong hearts and the courage to do something about a situation. Strength comes in many forms!

[Codus N]

Mashima's twitter account.

If anyone wants to spam him, go right ahead.

Edited by Codus N, 30 May 2012 - 04:46 AM.

[Catwho]

285 is out: http://www.mangahere..._tail/v26/c285/

Thoughts --Click here to view--

Wow, so Cana really did keep Fairy Glitter. And LOL at the RPG joke with the "9999" max damage. The other guilds sort of grudgingly accepted Erza being a monster once she remembered she was supposedly the strongest, but here comes the alcoholic to show them that the rest of the guild ain't no slouches either. Next week is Laxus vs Alexei - who was Alexei again?

[Smiter]

Chapter 285 --Click here to view--

I think I burst a kidney laughing. XD; I started giggling when I saw Cana unveil the Fairy Glitter mark, and I laughed out loud when she nuked the machine for 9999 damage. XDDD

Alexei is the masked guy of Raven Tail, I don't think we've seen any indication of the magic he uses. Since the next chapter title seems to be a big spoiler, I assume that Raven Tail are targeting Fairy Tail in the fighting round?

[Codus N]

He's RT's masked guy. Theory's going around that he's Laxus' brother/half-brother/stepbrother. And it looks like they've got something planned for him. I was kinda hoping for Laxus vs Orga considering how Laxus seemed to be more interested in fighting him.

[BlackLightning]

Laxus vs Alexei --Click here to view--

naaah, If my memory is correct (Unless I made a mistake and it's the other character....), Alexei's magic involves absorbing other mage's magic. Remember, Ivan wants to take Laxus' Lightning Dragon lacrima. He probably gonna try to drain Laxus' magic and forcefully takes the lacrima from him.

[Smiter]

Laxus vs Alexei --Click here to view--

naaah, If my memory is correct (Unless I made a mistake and it's the other character....), Alexei's magic involves absorbing other mage's magic. Remember, Ivan wants to take Laxus' Lightning Dragon lacrima. He probably gonna try to drain Laxus' magic and forcefully takes the lacrima from him.

Nope. --Click here to view--

I think you meant Obra?

Given that Raven Tail know the pairings in advance, it could be that Alexei has something very effective against lightning? He might turn out to be immune to it.

[merryGOflava]

I don't think Erza is really a Mary Sue. She has always been insanely strong, but she has flaws to balance out that strength (her cake addiction, her extensive wardrobe and shopping habits, her stage fright, her emotional vulnerability when it comes to Jellal.) Natsu and Gray love her, but they're also slightly terrified of her. Her flaws are often played up for comedic value, but that's going to be the case in any shounen action manga.

I think it's a good thing that Fairy Tail not only has so many well rounded characters, but also has overpowered girls too. Why should the boys get to have all the fun?

see i dont see those as flaws.....those are just moe things she has to make her more appealing..............a flaw is something that would make her UNappealing in some way......which i dont see yet.

flaw: sakura being selish(part 1)
not flaw: going nuts for cake......

and i'm all for girls kicking butt, but......ezra's not my type of kicking butt girl...shes too...perfect(perfect body too..)

Korra would be a good example of a flawed girl kicking butt.....better than the boys even.
korra isnt the most gorgeous girl....shes even kind of buff( shes also too brash) XD but those flaws make her more believable....at least more than a girl.....that has to strip and get into revealing clothes to gain power.(at least most of the clothes...)

[Catwho]

I think of a flaw as more like something that can be used against her. A weakness. Jellal especially clouds her judgment; we can even see this in the most recent arc, where she is willing and able to treat bygones as bygones, even as the rest of the paradise tower crew is bound and determined to destroy him. It's a character flaw because it has caused confrontations in the past, and will cause even more in the future until his status in the magic world is completely resolved.

Erza's tough as nails 99% of the time because she's been through more crap in her lifetime than most soliders, and yet when it comes to Jellal she's a normal young woman with a fickle heart.

[Super Boom]

Just got back from a family vacation...so of course I had to catch up on Fairy Tail when I got back!

Big Thoughts on this Chapter:

1.) Awesome Cana fanservice is awesome.

2.) Is Hibiki/Cana being hinted at all of sudden, or am I overthinking it?

3.) I noticed both Mangareader and Mangahere used the term "Ten Wizard Saints". I might be wrong, but didn't the group used to be referred to as the "Ten Great Holy Mages?" I believe the Funimation anime dub also uses the term Wizard Saint, so I'm curious it the translators are accepting that as canon out of convenience, or if that actually is a more accurate translation of Seiten Daimado.

4.) I was looking forward to a Laxus/Orga fight after seeing Laxus' expression after Orga's attack, but it seems he'll be fighting Alexei, who I'm pretty sure was the last unnamed Magic Games contestant. I don't believe we've seen his powers yet (like Smiter said, Obra was the one who negates spells), so I expect next chapter will be pretty awesome. I hope Laxus doesn't get beaten too easily, if he has to lose this fight. I'm looking forward to seeing some more awesomeness from him.

He's RT's masked guy. Theory's going around that he's Laxus' brother/half-brother/stepbrother. And it looks like they've got something planned for him. I was kinda hoping for Laxus vs Orga considering how Laxus seemed to be more interested in fighting him.

I didn't even think about that! I think that might ring true though. If I remember right, Ivan was the one who implanted Dragon Lacrima in Laxus (I can't remember where that was established, but it's listed on the FT Wiki, for all that's worth), so it wouldn't be too surprising if Ivan did something to Alexei's body to whatever end RT is after. Oh man, I can't wait till next chapter...

[merryGOflava]

I think of a flaw as more like something that can be used against her. A weakness. Jellal especially clouds her judgment; we can even see this in the most recent arc, where she is willing and able to treat bygones as bygones, even as the rest of the paradise tower crew is bound and determined to destroy him. It's a character flaw because it has caused confrontations in the past, and will cause even more in the future until his status in the magic world is completely resolved.

Erza's tough as nails 99% of the time because she's been through more crap in her lifetime than most soliders, and yet when it comes to Jellal she's a normal young woman with a fickle heart.

you see...i dont think you get (maybe you do....) what a mary sue is.

a mary sue definition might be better than me explaining....

A Mary Sue: She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing.
She has an unusual and dramatic Back Story. The canon protagonists are all overwhelmed with admiration for her beauty, wit, courage and other virtues, and are quick to adopt her as one of their True Companions, even characters who are usually antisocial and untrusting; if any character doesn't love her, that character gets an extremely unsympathetic portrayal. She has some sort of especially close relationship to the author's favorite canon character — their love interest, illegitimate child, never-before-mentioned sister, etc. Other than that, the canon characters are quickly reduced to awestruck cheerleaders, watching from the sidelines as Mary Sue outstrips them in their areas of expertise and solves problems that have stymied them for the entire series.

Edited by merryGOflava, 05 June 2012 - 02:49 AM.