
The NaruSaku Rant Thread
#1061
Guest_Aethos_*
Posted 08 February 2005 - 01:20 AM
#1062
Posted 08 February 2005 - 01:28 AM
It's funny, the way he says all of that, no argument with what he said, just blah blah blah and trying to convince people. I wonder if he read and look at the pictures of 245... You must be blind not to see the hints
Oh btw, i checked Narutomania recently with the 245 thread and there was only 1 person that mentioned the Sakura blush thing!! and no one replied to that guy's post!!! Are there all ignoring it or what? Denial? Blah

And 297 subscribers currently!!
The BIG archive of NaruSaku stories
Tell me if im missing any fics
#1063
Posted 08 February 2005 - 02:52 AM
*goes to gag self*
Oh, and HFB, the order is Slayers, Slayers Next, and Slayers Try. ^^

#1064
Posted 08 February 2005 - 03:35 AM
For t'pence a day
Drank down one penny
The other I'd save
I hammered and I hammered
For God knows how long
Well into madness, with each setting sun
I put my head down and I dreamt you were here
With me by the ol' tree, where no one could care
Far Away Boys, Far Away Boys
Away from ya now
I'm lyin' with my sweetheart
In her arms I'll be found
Then the sun belched upon me
You were no longer here
Lyin' in your place was my hammer and my gear
We came to a mountain
Dynamite and she'll blow
A big hole in that rock
Like the one in my soul
With the heat I was melting
Into your sweet lips
Ah, your kiss takes me back
Takes me back from all this
Far Away Boys, Far Away Boys
Away from ya now
I'm lyin' with my sweetheart
In her arms I'll be found
#1065
Posted 08 February 2005 - 03:50 AM
Leave them. They like to ignore the facts. It was clear that the hints are dropped to a very obvious spot, and they still ignore it, living in their own little world.

#1066
Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:08 AM

And 297 subscribers currently!!
The BIG archive of NaruSaku stories
Tell me if im missing any fics
#1067
Posted 08 February 2005 - 09:06 AM

I mean, look at Part One. It really tells you something when combined with the new Part 2 so far:
Naruto >love> Sakura
Sakura >crush, but now ?> Sasuke
Sasuke >only friend>Sakura
Hinata >crush> Naruto
Naruto >only friend> Hinata
Sakura >emerging love> Naruto
As we all know, NaruSaku is the only pairing with clear hints on both sides, so I think Part 2 will see Kishi develop that deeper. Maybe even go canon during that part of the story! If Kishi was planning any romantic NaruHina/SasuSaku, he would have hinted at romantic feelings from the boys in those pairings but there is nothing at all.
Part 1 lasted for five years (with the last one being taken up by a single mission), and Part 2 should last for a similar amount of time. That's a hell of a lot of time for relationships between the different genins to develop, especially since they are now 16 (with Team Gai being 17).
I'm really looking forward to seeing how Naruto and Sakura interact on the upcoming mission.

#1068
Posted 08 February 2005 - 03:30 PM
I don't talk to SOC often, because I go low-tech for long periods of time and we don't even know one another's names, let alone converse in any other medium but electronic messaging. He's a very interesting person, to say the least, and one of the very few people I respect.
I've read Bloodlines, carefully, and I still think some of the kitten he's done is utterly wack. I mean, the Avatar is just... completely unexpected and I'm not sure I like it. I also know a thing or two about where this crazy ride is going (in general; we don't swap details and no, I'm not going to divulge) because I'm a sounding-board-cum-fresh-faced-newbie. But, remember that I respect him, and frequently the journey is as important as the end, and is more often than not the whole point of the endeavor in the first place. So I'll sit by and allow him to do what he wants and feels needs to be done.
I do not envy him in the least. Being still semi-anonymous, I've tried very hard to be unapproachable. I'm snide, arrogant, and blunt to the point of being rude. This is purposeful. It's an escape hatch for me, so that if I ever want to make a clean break from this identity that I've created, I can without creating too much damage. I can disappear in my relative anonymity. However, despite my attempts at being unapproachable, there are those who have sought me out and are very persistant. Tatsu doesn't let me come back from away without saying hello, and that's very nice of him. He is patient, in his own patently impatient way, and has never asked what my name is or what I've been doing when I don't come online. The poor guy let me explain orthogonality to him. Give him sympathy.
My point is, rambling though it may be, though SOC is well-known and widely-read, he's got a responsibility to not screw up Bloodlines. By setting a precedent of every chapter being worth reading, he's set himself up with a duty to see it through and do it well. He's got to prove, though he may not want to or even see it this way, that this wild new turn in the plot isn't just some mindless self-indulgence. (I can tell you it isn't, but in the same breath I'll also tell you not to listen to my opinions because I'm untrustworthy and fickle.)
So he got two negative reviews on chapter eighteen. This set him in a frenzy because he saw the accusations as baseless and imbecilic. The reviews in question were anything but friendly, basically telling him to pull chapter eighteen entirely and rework it because 'he's totally destroyed the mood' or 'taken a serious manga arc and crapped all over it.' I think those are close enough to verbatim to serve, so we'll run with it.
The SOC Puppet is a serious guy. I'm not. Sometimes I wonder if he understands the emphasis I'm putting on certain words or if he's catching the irreverent humor underlying in my commentary. AIM is so bad with intonation and sarcasm. So I try to be honest with him, because he deserves it and I don't think that he gets it often enough in regards to his work. (What with being on the top and all.)
It is very hard to discount a review that is properly written in the known conventions of the English language. So many reviews are just half-burbled thoughts and approval, making them mostly useless to the author. (Not me! Cause I love my ego and it loves reviews! 132 to date, 0 negative.) When two of these critical reviews that don't really say anything other than 'this is kitten, do it again' come down the pipe, it's hard to handle.
Do I think that Thermopyle and Dameus are jackasses? Yes. That's not the point.
Would I kill them in the street? Probably not. I'd entertain thoughts of violence, most assuredly, but I'm not one to stand up for others.
LackeyH, Alden-san, etc, etc, however, did stand up for him. I often wonder to myself why someone who has the approval of all the big names in Naruto Fanfiction cares about what some retard named Dameus thinks of his story? Especially when Dameus has never published a story of his own and has the audacity to sit in judgment on others, like an author with a proven track record. Then consider that The SOC Puppet is one of the biggest names in the Naruto Fanfiction.
I guess I don't see why he cares. Paying attention to the fans is important because it makes them feel as though they matter and the author isn't typing to see himself talk. But every Dungeon Master knows that there comes a point where you can't let the players do whatever the hell they feel like doing. The story is yours and you alone are the arbiter of that creative potential.
Smiter. Right now you could tell me that Something or Other was frivolous plot merged around sex, because honestly, that's what it is. I wrote the lemon scene (and the emotions/ideals I was striving to express, thank you very much) out first then built the plot around it. You could say my transitions suck, because they do, and that's why I can't write anything without scene breaks well. You should see my history papers and then you'd understand.
Blayze. You could say that Asinine Rationalizations was absolutely too long for the complete lack of plot expressed. That'd be a fair assessment. I'd even go one better and say my dialogue is weak in that one and the laundromat scene is disjointed and confusing. It's true. It's the freaking bridge to important things, but that's no excuse for shoddy bridge-making... bridgemakingness. That's not a word, but for the life of me I can't come up with a suitable replacement.
Alpha-san. If you told me, point-blank, that my characterizations of Itachi were far too generous, I don't think I'd be able to argue that. The way I write him is too open, his cards are far too exposed away from the vest and he's too talkative (nevermind emotive.) He's never given any reason to believe that he cares about anything and anyone who's been paying attention noticed I damned Goddess of Oblivion for pulling the same damn kitten. Ouch, I'm being a hypocrite.
I think the point I'm trying to express here is that accepting your faults as an author is the first step to removing them entirely. How can you fix them if you don't acknowledge them? Don't be shocked when someone has a complaint. Everyone is different and has their own, semi-unique, partially-informed opinion. You are not privy to the stuff that goes on inside my head. (You should probably feel lucky on that count.) Disagreements are a part of life, but letting them get you down and pushing you toward depression is not a good response.
Yelling back is satisfying, but then you get into the whole 'lowering to their level' thing and the moral high-ground is abandoned for pit-fighting.
Morals are cute and shiny but not practical. I'll generally fight back, and I sling mud.
No one should be more critical of a piece of work than its creator. As an author, I've agonized over minute word-choices so as to keep the flavor of the scene intact and I've sat sweating, waiting for my computer to load up the first set of reviews. Nervousness is something I cannot tolerate, so I make it a point to never get nervous. Sometimes I just can't help it. Being human after all sucks.
I have no idea where I'm going with this anymore, but I hope I'm getting across the confusion and the rambling and the 'running fingers through hair' feeling I'm going for. Let's see if I sputter out anytime soon.
There is nothing you can tell me that I haven't already considered and analyzed in my fiction. Go ahead. Try. I'm not challenging anyone, but I know what I wrote well enough to recite it from memory, mostly. When someone complains that the spirit of the fic or the mood has been betrayed, then I begin to question the sanity of the reviewer. After all, is not the author the final word on the construction of the work? You read what I write. If you feel the need to express your opinion, then you are free to, but don't expect it to have an impact.
... huh... this attitude is probably why I don't get a lot of reviews...
It is very hard to give constructive criticism on something you disagree with or hate. I don't review specifically for this reason. This may be a symptom of a disease I call idiocy, but it's a hell of a plague. If I can't read something, I'm not going to finish it. If I don't like the plot, I don't finish it. Nothing forces me to do it, so I don't. It's like those logic squares with the four subsections that you put check marks in back in middle school. I only read if these two conditions are fulfilled, meaning that, at most, there's only a 25% I'll actually read anything through to completion. (this of course assumes that all four choices have an equal probability of occuring given a truly random chance)
Anyway. I think I need to end this now. I have to go on with my life here in a minute, so I'll take a moment to think about anything I need to say in closing.
Nope. I'm done.
I have fanart... kind of... so there, punks.
#1069
Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:02 PM

I agree that accepting your faults is the first step. I mean, they do it in AA ne? ;)Geno, I don't think you need give excuses for the things that you do. ^^ and I think you're being too comparative when it comes to reviews. We all love your stories, which matters more than getting a ton of reviews, right? (<- This is something I'm forced to tell myself when I feel like my reviews are in the shallow end ^^;; ).
Some reviewers are asses, point blank. That Themoplye guy is a prick who is constantly in search of error, I wonder how he must treat his friends. But if you get 2 bad reviews out of some sixty good ones, who are you going to believe? Human nature is a funny thing isn't it?

#1070
Posted 08 February 2005 - 04:19 PM
I am the first one who agrees that I'm no good with dates and ages but what does he even care? Is it important if I made a slight mistake somewhere which incidentaly doesn't change a THING about the story I'm writing? As the author of a story, I consider it my right, my priviledge and my duty to be considered as god within the realms of my stories.
The guy says I killed my own story, who is he to talk? I have to maintain a level between original storylina and canon in this AU, and AU means exactly that! SOC puppet shouldn't even consider the reviews he got from the nobody and Thermopyle. While I admit Thermopyle has had a few nice ideas (like the Ranma/Noir x-over) I never considered this author to be particularly above the others while the SOC puppet is one, if not THE top crop of Naruto Fanfiction.
However, negative reviews have their place, as long as they are constructive. I may not agree with Hibiki54 in saying my story is scrap but I understand my mistakes. A part of what he said is true, I made Naruto too young when he was adopted apparently but that doesn't mean it changes anything about the plot.
What pisses me off is that he doesn't keep an open mind for my messing around with the canon plot. Well ,let me say the very same thing SOC said to his negative reviewers, in the privacy of my home.
Ranting feels good!
#1071
Posted 08 February 2005 - 07:47 PM
I sort of put myself into a hole by writing soley Shika/Ino when I first began to put my stuff out there, so much that Shika/Inos became my staple, and when I deviated away from that pairing to some of the...less conventional (such as Lee/Tenten and Neji/Hina...Naru/Saku for the most part was embraced) some of my readers had a fit...it gets rather irritating, to be honest. THAT sort of review bothers me, but I've learned to brush it off. I'm going to write what I'm going to write, and if you do not care for the pairing, then don't read the story. It's that simple. And if you decide to go through and read the story anyway, it is your own fault. Period.
*sigh* People can be so....stupid....
Edit: You know, I was in the shower thinking (yes, I DO think every now and then...XD) and that whole "you ruined the feel of your own story" crap just...INFURIATES me...That's like saying "oh, yes, I've been inside your head and I know exactly where this is going, and you f-ed up big time."
ARGH.
*storms off to break glass*

#1072
Posted 08 February 2005 - 08:39 PM
Actually, I remember your story 'Fly.' Its removal from FanFiction.net was what prompted me to post Something or Other on Mediaminer instead, as they went up within... say, a week or two of one another. Because, all illusions aside, Fly was far more tastefully done, despite being the more graphic of the two. I didn't even see the point in trying.
I've never had this sort of problem with reviewers. It's odd that they all either fall at my feet or don't review. I've never gotten a bad review. Incomprehensible, yes, but never negative. Probably a result of being ruthlessly unapologetic in my author's notes (all five pages of them) no one who dislikes what I write is willing to submit a review. It'd be like throwing eggs at a wall.
That is, of course, exactly how I feel in the matter and almost verbatim what I told SOC. Whether he takes it to heart or not is still up in the air. I don't know. I'll try this whole positive reinforcement thing and see if I get anywhere.
I have fanart... kind of... so there, punks.
#1073
Posted 08 February 2005 - 08:47 PM

#1074
Posted 08 February 2005 - 08:59 PM
Thank you. I've got an AFF account, but I tried to post SoO there, but they wouldn't let me use my formatting (all those italics and bolds that make the necessary emphasis in the story were just normal words. I added the asterisks for scene breaks because the flashbacks were in italics.)
As for smut on FF.net, the penultimate example was and is Madame Manga's 'Chasing the Dragon' Gunsmith Cats fanfic. Bean Bandit and Rally Vincent getting it on and more UST than Temptation Island seasons 1-3. I'd really appreciate if any FF.net moderators reading this would not mess with that story, because it's the only non-Naruto story I read and I want it to end finally. It's been five years. Give me this at least.
I'm not that smart, I just learn equally well from mistakes made by others.
I have fanart... kind of... so there, punks.
#1075
Posted 08 February 2005 - 09:10 PM
DustI3unny: I want to tell you about my classes and my plans to kill my class mates that are like an Ape with ADD/ADHAD
Yoko Karma: "ape with ADD"
Yoko Karma: interesting.
DustI3unny: it's really funny
DustI3unny: for the first 10 seconds
DustI3unny: then he starts yell"WE GOT A GOD DANM GENIUS IN THIS CLASS." after you anwser a question faster than most people can punch it in to the their calculaters
Yoko Karma: XD
DustI3unny: makes you want to turn around a beat the kitten out of him
DustI3unny: I happen to be really fast with a calculater and the math is so easy
Yoko Karma: for you. -__-
DustI3unny: I learned acout fractions in 3rd grade
DustI3unny: just no spelling it seems
Yoko Karma: ah.
DustI3unny: about* grade*
DustI3unny: I think you know that 1/2 and 2/4 and 3/6 2.5/5 and 4/8 and 5/10 are all the same f***ing thing
Yoko Karma: yea
DustI3unny: but these people don't
Yoko Karma: -.-
DustI3unny: I'm like looking at the teacher and asking when do we get to graphing on the calutator I spent 98 dollars on for high school
DustI3unny: she said "Betsey, half these people don't know how to use the dollar store calculatiors I gave them"
Yoko Karma: damn.
DustI3unny: yeah
DustI3unny: your telling me
DustI3unny: I've taken Algabar I and II, Geomatry and Stat
DustI3unny: they can't under stand that 1/2 and 50/100 is the same thing
Yoko Karma: that's so stupid
DustI3unny: let alone 1/3 and 3/9
DustI3unny: oh god don't give tham anything thats not a half
DustI3unny: she gave us a work sheet and I was gone before most of them under stood that 1/5 and 20/100 where the same thing
DustI3unny: done*
Yoko Karma: I see.
DustI3unny: and they didn't think I was advance enough for this class, I can teach this class
Yoko Karma: I did basic math today... I had to figure out areas and perimeters.... so easy.. -.-
DustI3unny: somedays I wonder why these people can find food to eat and water to drink if thay can't do this math
DustI3unny: and whats worse some sell drugs, and can't relise that 45/65 and 35/85 isn't the same thing when broken down
Yoko Karma: -____- that's really bad.
DustI3unny: yeah I know
DustI3unny: Some are cheating off each other on this math when it's so basic
Yoko Karma: >.< idiots.
DustI3unny: yeah
DustI3unny: See this is why I wanted to talk to you on the phone
Yoko Karma: oh.
DustI3unny: I am surrounded by idiots in class
Yoko Karma: I am... in math enhancement.
DustI3unny: It's a ownder these people can drive
DustI3unny: wonder*
DustI3unny: like Math basics with a fancier name?
Yoko Karma: I don't know. I do my math homework there.
DustI3unny: what was the last problem they gave you?
Yoko Karma: well, I didn't have any homework, so they gave me some bookwork. it was finding out the area of parallelograms and... other random shapes. it was really easy.
DustI3unny: yeah, well that's to advance for these people

#1076
Guest_Aethos_*
Posted 08 February 2005 - 11:02 PM
Isn't that just the worst argument you've ever heard?
Oh and it proves my theory that they're all rabid Sasuke fangirls... or just fangirls.
#1077
Posted 08 February 2005 - 11:11 PM
Inner Kyuubi is going to be unleashed soon, so help me....
Edit: Soner, I signed on just for joo...

#1078
Posted 09 February 2005 - 12:27 AM
#1079
Posted 09 February 2005 - 01:20 AM
And he's saying that we cant give out our own opinion like saying he's stupid or a dumbass because he will get us banned!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!! Again!
Omg Is he stupid or what and annoying too.Argh!!

And 297 subscribers currently!!
The BIG archive of NaruSaku stories
Tell me if im missing any fics
#1080
Posted 09 February 2005 - 01:30 AM
All we're doing is stating the obvious! XDDDDDDDDD
1 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users