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[Otaru]

True. Yamato >>>

Imagine if he was the jounin leader of Team 7 from the beginning, instead of Kakashi..

 

The story was completly different and clear back then when it was Yamato.

[六道仙人]

http://readms.com/r/naruto/693/2549/7

 

I noticed that Sakura before looks Sasuke's back, then she give a look to Naruto which is looking at his right (Sasuke is moving for leaving the place)

 

 

Lol 105 people vewing this thread... Anyways I'm thinking of the sage's words when he said "For Sasuke too a love different from the one he has for his mother" ... Hmm .-.

 

it's wrong here too.. MS is right... he was talking about kaguya...

Edited by 六道仙人, 25 September 2014 - 09:07 PM.

[Otaru]

http://readms.com/r/naruto/693/2549/7

 

I noticed that Sakura before looks Sasuke's back, then she give a look to Naruto which is looking at his right (Sasuke is moving for leaving the place)

 

 

 

it's wrong here too.. MS is right... he was talking about kaguya...

 

I didn't notice that. I look at the page, but I still don't see it.

[MoonStar]

I agree. But Sakura has actually contemplated putting Sasuke down. Naruto hyperventilated just at the thought of Sasuke. Who's worse? The answer is obvious.

 

Yeah, OK, that's true. However, Naruto can at least, and does, stand up for himself. Sakura takes all of Sasuke's insults and berating like a whimpering dog. She's has been humiliating herself chapter after chapter, consecutively with no end in sight. This chapter was not only the breaking point but also the worst of it. After all of Sasuke's jabs at her self-esteem she confesses and begs him. That's unforgivable. Naruto's hyperventilation was unforgettably pathetic but Sakura has been pathetic to the point where I've been worried with ever panel devoted to her that she'd humiliate herself. I was not expecting to this degree.

[pumyte]

Do you really think he was talking about the love between a man and women... I thought it was more family/team love? This chapter was kinda focused on team 7.

I thought of family/friend love since this story is all about naruto and sasuke

[luffyq1]

 

Yeah, OK, that's true. However, Naruto can at least, and does, stand up for himself. Sakura takes all of Sasuke's insults and berating like a whimpering dog. She's has been humiliating herself chapter after chapter, consecutively with no end in sight. This chapter was not only the breaking point but also the worst of it. After all of Sasuke's jabs at her self-esteem she confesses and begs him. That's unforgivable. Naruto's hyperventilation was unforgettably pathetic but Sakura has been pathetic to the point where I've been worried with ever panel devoted to her that she'd humiliate herself. I was not expecting to this degree.

Definitely agree. If Kishi is going to make a point with all this humilation going around, he better make it fast because I'm tired of seeing Sakura in this pathetic state.

[HauntedCake]

Its really sad the Sakura has reached such a pathetic state. Grovelling after a guy that wants her dead and treats her like kitten..

[FireFox]

I realy cant believe either.this is starting to look like a laughable cheap pathetic parody.kishi is starting to get schyzophrenic(hope i spelled right) lately

Yep pretty much it seems like Kishi's Diarrhea from last week affected his brain and his writing senses  .

[Sakura~]

http://readms.com/r/naruto/693/2549/7
 
I noticed that Sakura before looks Sasuke's back, then she give a look to Naruto which is looking at his right (Sasuke is moving for leaving the place)
 
 

 

it's wrong here too.. MS is right... he was talking about kaguya...

How can you know if its Kaguya??

[Shizuku]

I'm so depressed that I don't even know if Naruto's feelings for Sakura are still the same.

[六道仙人]

because it's say in the japanese script that i have read... hagoromo wha talking about his mother (kaguya)

[chouzu_tao]

The mangastream version has "But I still love you..."

 

I don't read Japanese so I don't know if this is just a mistranslation. If I'm not mistaken, more people often consider mangastream a little more accurate since they take more time. 

 

Regardless of mistranslation, my anger is not with Sakura (since she's just a character on a page, slave to the whims of a writer). My anger is with Kishimoto. Regardless of how realistic Sakura's attachments to Sasuke is (love or not), it is just terrible writing to have a character do the same thing over and over again. It's not just bad writing for a female character, it's bad writing, period. We've seen Sakura crying over Sasuke too many times, we've seen her not being able to take part in fighting him too many times, we've seen her trying to convince Sasuke based on the logic of their past instead of just giving him tough love in the present over his actions too many times. For god's sake stop bringing us to this same moment over and over again Kishi. Kishimoto, WRITE SOMETHING NEW!!!! Let characters EVOLVE!

 

With that being said, there is an argument that could be made to say that Kishi is trying to hammer fans over the head with how devoted she is to Sasuke. I'm not going to get into that because that's a whole other bag of reasons why his writing needs work. 

 

As far as SS being dead, no it's still not. If you go by "abusive boyfriend" logic, this could still happen based on those ideas. If SS holds true, it will be because Sakura has classic symptoms of a girlfriend in denial of her abusive relationship. Sasuke could still actually care about her despite his attempts on her life because even though a boyfriend in a "bad touch" type of relationship is abusive, in their warped minds they feel they care about the girlfriend. So no, SS is not dead. Also, Sasuke has never answered Sakura's feelings directly. Always waiting until she's fainted first. He's never directly said I don't feel the same way. He's never said to her what he explained to Kakashi. And because it was not to her, it can only be taken at face value. 

 

(Not bashing Sakura. Bashing Kishimoto's writing.) I'm just upset that Kishimoto has not allowed for Sakura to become a more developed character, who can still care about someone without crying and becoming weak. Women are not beings who cannot control their emotions or tough it out when confronted with bad things. They can dig into reserves and take action while still feeling a lot. She (or a more interestingly written Sakura) must have learned that crying when you confront Sasuke is not going to do a damn thing! Action is what matters to him. Because in his mind it is the action of others that control his actions. Words alone will not reach him or sway him from his path. I assumed she learned that because I had faith in her as a character. But she has learned nothing!

 

We all prefer NS to SS, for whatever reason (it'll probably end like most mangas anyway where major character coupling is not addressed in the least at the end). Maybe if Naruto and Sakura were our friends we'd want them to get together. Maybe it's the type of relationship we see ourselves being happy with or maybe we are vicariously living through these characters in a literary fantasy. No matter what I'm not going to hold my breath for NS to happen. Kishi is clearly trying to beat us over the head with SS. -- it's the only explanation for this repeating endless cycle of her crying when trying to persuade Sasuke and being weaker in those moments then I know she is. Naruto seems to be fine with it. And Kishimoto will not let Sakura grow, because in his mind characters who will not let go of any goal no matter how poisonous it may be to themselves or those around them is a sign of strength. Maybe this is what he meant by "Sakura is going to become more of a hero." Unfortunately her main goal according to Kishimoto has nothing to do with herself and the ninja world. It is all tied to Sasuke.

[Hiraishin]

 
The story was completly different and clear back then when it was Yamato.

Huh? I was just saying to imagine it.

[Otaru]

Huh? I was just saying to imagine it.

 

what ?

[Sakura~]

because it's say in the japanese script that i have read... hagoromo wha talking about his mother (kaguya)

Thanks! :') .. btw when will the raw comes out?

[MoonStar]

Definitely agree. If Kishi is going to make a point with all this humilation going around, he better make it fast because I'm tired of seeing Sakura in this pathetic state.

 

It'd be nice if he did but I don't have the faith in him. My only thought right now is how the Japanese fans can stomach his portrayal of Sakura. If they're upset then I know all's right. If not, well...

[BlazingDynamo]

Mangapanda says that she "loved him"

[Hiraishin]

 
what ?

Oh lmao I'm sorry, I misread what you said. Sorry about that.

Edited by Hiraishin, 25 September 2014 - 09:29 PM.

[Gojira]

I think people need to realize, its not a matter of the raws or translations we need to go by, we need to see what actually happens with and beyond each event as we get them.

 

No matter how its cut, looking at it either today from the past/present tense or the stuff from chapters like 675 of it decreased or increased, can anyone honestly conclude that either makes sense for SS? No they dont, as a whole, they don't even work for the story.

 

No matter what tense is correct or not, you shouldn't go by just that. If it comes with an event where, say Sakura turns to realize she likes naruto, would those tenses make a difference then? No they wouldn't.

 

Looking back at 675, did it make a difference if Sakuras love had decreased or not? No, Sasuke still doesn't love her and he perfectly summed up the reasons of why does SS even exist and have supports for it still? It doesn't matter how it was cut, it was still a dead flawed antagonism love on Sakura's part.

 

Either way, the feeling being different still made more sense as viewing it as decreased, I mean how could you love someone more than originally, wouldnt this run into conflicts elsewhere when Kakahsi said it was a different feeling? This isn't the first time there has been some confusion but the end result is still the same no matter how you cut it.

 

Those feelings are different, but anyway you cut it, look at this with story logic, SS doesn't work for it in anyway. In this case, it was decreased or started to decrease and this is more or less the notion of it, we had a sign of this love declining way back in 635, so even with this being that pinnicle moment where she tried to stop him but couldnt do anything, are people still honestly going out of their way to think that everything is just done or ended or solved in a moment?

 

This is certainly a different outcome from 685 a few weeks back, if anything where SS fans tried to view that event as Sakura and Sasuke confirmed, this just completely blew back in their faces like  Elmer fudds rifle does everytime bugs sticks his finger in the barrel. It made everything worse.

 

Maybe you should look at it like this, if this scene was menat to show that Sasuke doesn't care for Sakura, that her love has been this antagonism event on her, do you honestly think kishi would then serve to keep it on her in the end for the same end result for what we just saw here? No, I doubt it. If anything, I only see an outcome from this event where she has a different outlook and is impacted and either comes to terms with something or reflects upon herself, either on her own or from the input of others. The end result I get from this is that she won't be in love with Sasuke in the end after all this. If part of seeing she couldnt do anything here was the same result, perhaps she would see where she does make an difference with someone else aka naruto.

 

My point is, you need to follow what occurs, not just the raws and translations from either the online groups or viz, we need to see what actually happens and given how viz screwed up in the kushina foreshadow department, we saw 631 as the action that proved sakura was like kushina was the end result. For this chapter today, if anything, it proved that the stuff with Sasuke, no matter how its cut, would be prone to decreasing or ending, it just wouldnt fit for the story or her character, like this more or less is the dead sign of SS and no matter how much it comes back its just like since the land of iron, not a good thing, just antagonism upon sakura.

 

Take your view on anything you see, translations here or there, more or less accurate, etc etc. To me I still take mangapandas 675 for it decreasing because, the whole deal of the decreased line for one, means that yes, its a change, its not the same love, that sakura wants to save him from darkness, that the love could be declining and if it starts now, well this still makes sense, that all in all she wanted to still help him anyway she could, in the end it makes sense if she likes sasuke but not loving him.

 

For today, its also just due to the fact, even as sasuke said, he doesn't love sakura, this whole deal with SS, just doesn't fit for the story, this entire time Sakura has been changing in regards to both naruto and sasuke and for that love to be prone to decreasing, it still just makes more sense that things may go along this line in time rather than it remaining the same. Just as sakura couldnt come to love naruto instantly she couldnt get over sasuke all at once, so perhaps this could be the event that does it and starts a shift for her? Maybe this is just thinking too much, but I also just take this in tandem with the preexisting NS stuff that is still lurking around.

 

Otherwise if we have the event in which she doesn't change and still has this same menality upon sasuke, well I won't hate Sakura, but this wouldnt solve anything and would just be static forgone and pointless stagnation upon her character that I would feel did her no justice. I would enjoy seeing her overcome this antagonism and furthermore come to have learned something about love after all this, not just idealism which she still otherwise had.

 

But to me, its not about the raws, or translations, its about the events more than anything and how they play out.

 

To me for now, this could just be the start of some impact upon her and it may turn into something thats otherwise ideal for us, I still see the NS stuff around and otherwise, its just logical at this point that SS could decline to nothingness after this chapter and after what sasuke said and did. This chapter just proved to me SS doesn't work and perfectly described why is has no purpose, acceptability, reason, or importance after all this. And yet with that NS still still around, this could be the start of events that brings a gradual shift and well just may be what we want.

 

But again, its not the raws, its the events and the actions too. The fact Naruto is still set on the promise says a lot more to me than some people realize, when i see the promise, I am reminded of narutos stuff from 457 with why he couldnt confess, if anything maybe this decline of SS could go in hand with the NS stuff around and serve as a means to help bring NS to canon? You never know.

 

But as I said, either this is the point Sakura gets some development and moves beyond this idealism love or she gets stagnated development for something so antagonistic, it leaves a question for kishi that exactly what was he trying to portray for a love subplot, even after this chapter which ultimately just basically said SS makes no sense and has no purpose?

 

In anycase, I don't believe this will happen simply because she is still changing in regards to both naruto and sasuke and we have not gotten that end result of just how does she feel about naruto and nor has naruto gotten his resolution with her. NS still has plenty of elements around and hints lingering for it, and as long as these things exist, nothing has impacted or brought it down, its still got a stronger presence than SS at this point that is sure, and as long as Hinata is out of the picture, theres no reason to consider her important just because she loves naruto. The fact is, all the actions, regardless of dialogue, to me and many others they still point to NS as the end game for all manner of logical reasons, character and story structure wise

 

As I said before, you shouldnt be dependent on raws or translations, you need to see the actions as they come and what happened today is just potentially the start of something else.

You'r missing the point which is we know SS isn't going to happen....we all know that but that isn't the problem

 

its that Naruto comes across as a silver medal.

[MangaReader]

Way to give Sakura haters justification guys... seriously, way to go Is what I would say if I wasn't trying to bring good moods back to the forum...

 

Come on, unless Sasuke has MPD, what he really means what he says when he doesn't care for Sakura in a loving mood. So cheer up already : )