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[Codus N]

About that discussion of Sakura becoming Hokage, I just seems like something weird. I'll be honest, I don't like the idea at all.

From what I see Sakura might have the potential of becoming Naruto's greatest supporter when it comes to becoming Hokage. She was willing to give up the chunin exams for the sake of that dream after all. Besides, if Naruto isn't appointed as much as I like Sakura I think there might be better candidates for it, Kakashi being the obvious first example.

Remember that in the last talk between Jiraiya and Tsunade she explained very clearly that Kakashi would be able to take her place if anything happened, and that Naruto could eventually. Sakura simply wouldn't fit in that role, and I think that if something happened to Tsunade that Sakura would be the first to support Naruto to take on the role of Hokage.

What I can always imagine Sakura doing is to give a shut up speech to both Obito and Madara. They'll be mocking Naruto's aspiration to becoming Hokage, and given that both Obito and Madara wanted to become the Hokage as well in the past they could comment on how they understand that Naruto would never have the ability to become on given his (insert mock her). They could be calling him stupid, incompetent, naive, or whatever insult you can think of.

If Sakura bore witness to all of this I can only imagine her becoming extremely enraged. She would start screaming at the top of her lungs for both the villains to simply shut the hell up. She would have this fierce gaze directed at them that would make even Naruto get scared for a moment (it would also be funny if Kurama was like WTF). Then she would say that she's about getting tired of people underestimating Naruto's dreams and determination. Then she could start listing the good qualities that would make him the perfect man to be the Hokage.

And to finish it all of she would say "You two aren't even close to Naruto's level, that's the reason you could never become Hokage. Let me be clear, Naruto is the man that will become the Hokage, and I'll make sure to see that dream come true one day".

If Kishi dared to make something like this it would make Hinata's speech look second rate in comparison. And it would also be different since Sakura wouldn't be speaking to Naruto, she would be speaking about Naruto to the villains. It would show how Sakura has come a long way from being the shallow girl that thought Naruto was a mere nuisance that only bothered her, to being the one who first publicly declares her full confidence in Naruto being able to become Hokage.

This. Just this. And if Kishi replaces it with Hinata, then I think it's pretty clear he's switched the heroine role.

Hey guys, I wonder what will happen if Naruto gives Kyuubi cloak to the Kages! XD Especially Raikage.

monsterawakening

I wonder about that. What if there was still some leftover residue of Shukaku's chakra left in Gaara's body. It's a very weak one, but what if Kurama's chakra awakens it and Shukaku is reborn?? it'd kinda be like Manda 2.0. Only this time, it's fully under Gaara's control. I know I'm not the only one wishing for a Jinchuuriki triple team vs Juubi.

Kakashi's death was questionable because we all didn't know if he was really dead. Neji seems like legit. Not as Jiraiya but so far, it's been a good 75% confirm. The reason is because of Obito saying that line, but it's too early to judge. Though as much as I like Neji, it did complete his character. It could be influence to Hyuuga to really become one, especially Hinata becoming a heir, but that's another story. As for Shikamaru and Ino's fathers, unless it's following One Piece, they're dead.

I see what you mean. Good point. Time will tell. But that revival thing can revive everyone right? Or is it really limited to very few as in 5 max? Imagine, put Naruto into a situation where he can only choose Sakura or Neji to be revived. That will be some dark twist, much like in Mass Effect 1 where you choose one to do the sacrifice. Doubt it will happen. You know, I can't help but to think that Kishi will do a redo of Rin's demise. Like panel by panel, it's unlikely but I can't help but to think.

What do you mean by that?? mind elaborating??

[KnS]

The problem is, Sakura hasn't gotten any development that would make her possible to become Hokage in the readers' eyes. Sure, she's shown some leadership in the Pain arc while Tsunade passed out. And there's also the fact that she's her apprentice. But that's it. Her fight with Sasori was her only big fight. Can we actually use Sasori's fight as a parameter for Hokage qualifications?? no. That's not enough. She needs more.

Right. Which is why I said, "I don't think there's much chance that something like this could happen" and "Sakura hasn't received the power-ups" and "it's a stretch to think she's at Kage level right now." All I said was it was fun to consider, and fun to think outside the box.

Well, fun for me. But I should really learn my lesson and stop trying to discuss "what-ifs" on these chapter threads. The whole "what if Kakashi actually loved Rin" thing was enough, and I don't want to go down that sort of road again, lol.

Another thing, which one would you pick, Sakura going to the Kages with prior development, or her appearing at the Kages' location randomly?? pick one.

The thing is, Codus, if that one panel of Sakura looking shocked in #615 turned out to be because she found out about Tsunade's condition, that would be enough so-called prior development for me and would not seem random at all.

Sakura's past relationship -- her entire apprenticeship with Tsunade -- is enough "prior development" that I wouldn't need anything else in the current battle panels to understand why it would make sense for Sakura to be summoned by Tsunade, or by Katsuyu if Tsunade were about to die.

We already know how important Tsunade is to Sakura, and how Sakura is following in her master's footsteps and on the path to surpassing her. As I said before, to me it seems logical to imagine that Sakura would be involved in the resolution of Tsunade's situation -- whether she lives or dies.

Kishi could've simply inserted a small panel or bubble of Shikaku/Katsuyu contacting her. Just either one of them saying "Sakura..." would've been enough. That alone would've been much better development towards that particular plotline. If she appears at the Kages' location (explained through flashbacks) I would still feel cheated. Hell, it would've been better if Kishimoto could've at least confirmed she had the Slug contract. That would've made it more believable. But this scenario, sounds way too much of an asspull on the level of Genma knowing Hiraishin and Sasuke's hawk contract.

Maybe Kishimoto doesn't want to give away what might be happening next, so he chooses not to spell it out -- simple as that. And Sakura doesn't need the slug contract to have been contacted. During the Pain arc, there were little Katsuyu clones everywhere, informing people of the facts without a contract. Naruto even had one in his pocket to tell him things he needed to know about Pain.

Doesn't that qualify as enough prior development to suggest it's possible that one of Katsuyu's clones might have crawled into Sakura's pocket in #615 -- to inform her of Tsunade's situation discreetly so as to not distract the others who must concentrate on the fight? Kishimoto might not want to show it for that reason alone, not to mention it would give away the potential surprise of Sakura's next actions.

I don't know. Maybe that would bother you -- not to be shown explicitly what's about to happen -- but it wouldn't bother me. I would rather not be spoon-fed every detail, especially when it's not necessary. But that's personal preference.

Like I said, I'm not saying it's for sure it has happened, just that I think it's reasonable to think it *could* happen based on the fact that Katsuyu clones have been used that way in the story before. And if it did happen, I would not feel the least bit cheated, think it was an asspull, or consider it poorly developed.

Lastly, I'm not saying it's not plausible for this scenario to happen. Just that it would come out way out of nowhere to happen without even a decent development beforehand or whatsoever.

I disagree, for the reasons mentioned above.

[Codus N]

Right. Which is why I said, "I don't think there's much chance that something like this could happen" and "Sakura hasn't received the power-ups" and "it's a stretch to think she's at Kage level right now." All I said was it was fun to consider, and fun to think outside the box.

Well, fun for me. But I should really learn my lesson and stop trying to discuss "what-ifs" on these chapter threads. The whole "what if Kakashi actually loved Rin" thing was enough, and I don't want to go down that sort of road again, lol.



The thing is, Codus, if that one panel of Sakura looking shocked in #615 turned out to be because she found out about Tsunade's condition, that would be enough so-called prior development for me and would not seem random at all.

Sakura's past relationship -- her entire apprenticeship with Tsunade -- is enough "prior development" that I wouldn't need anything else in the current battle panels to understand why it would make sense for Sakura to be summoned by Tsunade, or by Katsuyu if Tsunade were about to die.

We already know how important Tsunade is to Sakura, and how Sakura is following in her master's footsteps and on the path to surpassing her. As I said before, to me it seems logical to imagine that Sakura would be involved in the resolution of Tsunade's situation -- whether she lives or dies.



Maybe Kishimoto doesn't want to give away what might be happening next, so he chooses not to spell it out -- simple as that. And Sakura doesn't need the slug contract to have been contacted. During the Pain arc, there were little Katsuyu clones everywhere, informing people of the facts without a contract. Naruto even had one in his pocket to tell him things he needed to know about Pain.

Doesn't that qualify as enough prior development to suggest it's possible that one of Katsuyu's clones might have crawled into Sakura's pocket in #615 -- to inform her of Tsunade's situation discreetly so as to not distract the others who must concentrate on the fight? Kishimoto might not want to show it for that reason alone, not to mention it would give away the potential surprise of Sakura's next actions.

I don't know. Maybe that would bother you -- not to be shown explicitly what's about to happen -- but it wouldn't bother me. I would rather not be spoon-fed every detail, especially when it's not necessary. But that's personal preference.

Like I said, I'm not saying it's for sure it has happened, just that I think it's reasonable to think it *could* happen based on the fact that Katsuyu clones have been used that way in the story before. And if it did happen, I would not feel the least bit cheated, think it was an asspull, or consider it poorly developed.

But then you have the problem of consistency. Surely something that important should've been hinted beforehand. For example, we had the Kyuubi chakra sharing plan and the Ino-Shika-Cho formation being hinted and developed beforehand. This on the other hand, would be very much an asspull like no other. There's one good reason why: the timing. If Kishimoto had chosen to move Sakura to the Kages' location and dropped a hint beforehand on it, then he timed it poorly. Not just because of Hinata overshadowing it, but also because there's not enough reaction to it. If it was going to be hinted any other way, then a simple speech bubble filled with a simple "....." on Sakura's part would've done the job.

Not only that, I also have to ask you this, wouldn't a last conversation with Tsunade be heavily focused on?? if so, then it requires a great amount of development towards it. Not a small panel of Sakura just gawking there doing nothing without even a small speech bubble.

Regarding Katsuyu, I'd believe you if only we saw Katsuyu's clone hanging around the medical tents. The difference with Pain arc is that Katsuyu's clones flooded the entire village, so it wasn't implausible to see Katsuyu sticking herself to Naruto as soon as he had arrived. In this arc, on the other hand, we see Katsuyu in only two occasions. When she's at the HQ acting as a communicator to Tsunade while she was chasing Naruto. And the other is when she is summoned to the Kages' location. Nowhere in this arc do we see Katsuyu hanging around Sakura (or Shizune for that matter) beforehand. Thus, Katsuyu just popping out of the blue doesn't make sense to me. Except for you of course if you prefer off-panel development.

You know what?? at this point, I feel the more reasons we try to come up with Sakura's disappearance, the more it sounds like pathetic excuses that doesn't make sense.

The only post I found that makes sense (and probably the best one so far) is red's post a few pages back. Rather than trying to figure out reasons for Sakura's disappearance, I think we should try to speculate possible developments for Sakura. At this point, chances for Sakura development seems so small. However, the only one possible development that actually makes sense at this point in the story is what reddragon said about Sakura standing up for Naruto's dream. Really, if Kishi shows Sakura doing that, then I will forgive everything Kishi has done so far.

If Kishi shows her standing up for his dream, it will absolutely dwarf Hinata's speech in 615. Seeing her standing up for his dream would mean more to Naruto than Hinata standing up for his nindo because it's been his longest-driving motivation for living.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

But then you have the problem of consistency. Surely something that important should've been hinted beforehand. For example, we had the Kyuubi chakra sharing plan and the Ino-Shika-Cho formation being hinted and developed beforehand. This on the other hand, would be very much an asspull like no other. There's one good reason why: the timing. If Kishimoto had chosen to move Sakura to the Kages' location and dropped a hint beforehand on it, then he timed it poorly. Not just because of Hinata overshadowing it, but also because there's not enough reaction to it. If it was going to be hinted any other way, then a simple speech bubble filled with a simple "....." on Sakura's part would've done the job.

Not only that, I also have to ask you this, wouldn't a last conversation with Tsunade be heavily focused on?? if so, then it requires a great amount of development towards it. Not a small panel of Sakura just gawking there doing nothing without even a small speech bubble.

Regarding Katsuyu, I'd believe you if only we saw Katsuyu's clone hanging around the medical tents. The difference with Pain arc is that Katsuyu's clones flooded the entire village, so it wasn't implausible to see Katsuyu sticking herself to Naruto as soon as he had arrived. In this arc, on the other hand, we see Katsuyu in only two occasions. When she's at the HQ acting as a communicator to Tsunade while she was chasing Naruto. And the other is when she is summoned to the Kages' location. Nowhere in this arc do we see Katsuyu hanging around Sakura (or Shizune for that matter) beforehand. Thus, Katsuyu just popping out of the blue doesn't make sense to me. Except for you of course if you prefer off-panel development.

You know what?? at this point, I feel the more reasons we try to come up with Sakura's disappearance, the more it sounds like pathetic excuses that doesn't make sense.

The only post I found that makes sense (and probably the best one so far) is red's post a few pages back. Rather than trying to figure out reasons for Sakura's disappearance, I think we should try to speculate possible developments for Sakura. At this point, chances for Sakura development seems so small. However, the only one possible development that actually makes sense at this point in the story is what reddragon said about Sakura standing up for Naruto's dream. Really, if Kishi shows Sakura doing that, then I will forgive everything Kishi has done so far.

If Kishi shows her standing up for his dream, it will absolutely dwarf Hinata's speech in 615. Seeing her standing up for his dream would mean more to Naruto than Hinata standing up for his nindo because it's been his longest-driving motivation for living.

Well i was hoping for a mutual development, of Naruto changing Sakura's view about herself that he's not a fool for loving her and other stuff and she standing up for his dream.
I dont want a one-sided development.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

What do you mean by that?? mind elaborating??

Personally, I think Kishi will redo Rin's demise, too, but NOT panel-by-panel. Obito just arrived at the tail end of Rin's death, he has no idea what really happened. It's possible (and obvious) that there's more to that event than Obito thinks.

Considering who kept Obito trapped for awhile, Madara must've somehow orchestrated events to suit his own ends, just like Palpatine's corruption of Anakin.
'Course, I may be giving Madara too much credit, considering he was a decrepit old man stuck to a big-ass creepy tree at the time.


@Romancegirl. Good, you recognize that. Now, try and see if you can stop from falling into that same attitude again. You have generally good posts, actually you're one of the better ones about it, but sometimes I know our zeal gets the better of us.

I remember that whole hugging scene after the Pein Invasion Arc. The worst it got was "Let's see the NH top that!" but we never really bashed or talked badly of the NH fans or the other pairing fans. We just celebrated, then moved on. These last 3 chapters, though...went on for pages and pages. It was funny at first, drawing upon schadenfraude for entertainment, (as I'm wont to do in the internet ) but it just got ridiculous.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@Romancegirl. Good, you recognize that. Now, try and see if you can stop from falling into that same attitude again. You have generally good posts, actually you're one of the better ones about it, but sometimes I know our zeal gets the better of us.

I remember that whole hugging scene after the Pein Invasion Arc. The worst it got was "Let's see the NH top that!" but we never really bashed or talked badly of the NH fans or the other pairing fans. We just celebrated, then moved on. These last 3 chapters, though...went on for pages and pages. It was funny at first, drawing upon schadenfraude for entertainment, (as I'm wont to do in the internet ) but it just got ridiculous.

It's the shipping wars, they get to us. I generally try to be open-minded and fair when to comes to a lot of things involving Naruto, but I do sometimes suffer from seeming a little condescending and borderline bashy. I don't do it on purpose, unless I'm really worked up or angry about something involving NH/SS/NS. It goes away when I calm down, my more rude comments usually are when I'm in rage mode.

It's 615. That's when a lot of the peace ended. After that chapter, everything literally went to hell. Don't even get me started on that three-week break after the NH-hand holding. That's was the worst I've ever seen this forum be. Bashing, arguments, negativity, arrogance abound. God, I was shocked at what we were reduced to, even me. It got better in 616 (Though by then, a lot of us were gloating and bragging), and then some 615 madness returned in 617. Not over NH, over Sakura's development. God, I miss the peaceful times. I hope Hinata does little of importance and Sakura does something of importance soon in the upcoming chapters, so we can all calm down and not be set off by the smallest things.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

It's the shipping wars, they get to us. I generally try to be open-minded and fair when to comes to a lot of things involving Naruto, but I do sometimes suffer from seeming a little condescending and borderline bashy. I don't do it on purpose, unless I'm really worked up or angry about something involving NH/SS/NS. It goes away when I calm down, my more rude comments usually are when I'm in rage mode.

It's 615. That's when a lot of the peace ended. After that chapter, everything literally went to hell. Don't even get me started on that three-week break after the NH-hand holding. That's was the worst I've ever seen this forum be. Bashing, arguments, negativity, arrogance abound. God, I was shocked at what we were reduced to, even me. It got better in 616 (Though by then, a lot of us were gloating and bragging), and then some 615 madness returned in 617. Not over NH, over Sakura's development. God, I miss the peaceful times. I hope Hinata does little of importance and Sakura does something of importance soon in the upcoming chapters, so we can all calm down and not be set off by the smallest things.

I understand, trust me, I understand the frustration surrounding Sakura's character, but posting those frustrations here only spread even more discontent and frustration. That causes even more frustration on those who're generally chill with anything that goes on in the manga (like those 'be patient' types that post 'be patient,' I'd do it too, but that'd cause more frustration). Really, if you'd seen me when Harry Potter Book 6 came out, I was the same. But, we all gotta remember it's' not the end of the world and that it's all... Fictional. No amount of complaining will change how Kishi dictates his plot, so it's useless to complain about it. I learned all of that from my days of being in the HP fandom.

If you're all frustrated about it, go write a 'fix-fic,' preferably using the idea I mentioned in the 615 thread (shameless plug-in ) or go do something else like play a game, breathe in and out, punch a punching bag, etc. Don't cry about how Kishi betrayed you because nothing went the way you expected it (Yes, I remember someone posting that they did exactly that in the 615 thread. Sorry about calling that person out, but it made me roll my eyes in disbelief). Sorry about the belligerent tone, but that's how I see it.

Remember, Keep Calm and Remember it's all Fictional.

As if this word hasn't popped up enough in this post: FRUSTRATION!

[T XD]

Can we just wait till this arc is over and then we judge about what truly happened ?
Isn't it better that way... for all of us guys ?

Edited by T XD, 27 January 2013 - 04:01 PM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Can we just wait till this arc is over and then we judge about what truly happened ?
Isn't it better that way... for all of us guys ?

Pfft, that's what I'd been saying, but there's always going to be discontent.
Really, I'm waiting until the end to judge the whole thing. Like I said before, we can take all of the canon evidence for NaruSaku, but it won't mean a thing if Kishi ends it with NH. So, I keep my hopes on around the low end, so I'm not totally crushed.

[sushi.]

Many people have said this before, but manga is probably meant to be read volume by volume, not chapter by chapter. That we have to wait every week makes us impatient. We should just wait and see what happens. What other choice do we have anyway?

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Many people have said this before, but manga is probably meant to be read volume by volume, not chapter by chapter. That we have to wait every week makes us impatient. We should just wait and see what happens. What other choice do we have anyway?

It doesn't really bother me that we read chapter-chapter. Why should I be bothered? I can't do anything about it, it's my own choice to read chapter by chapter instead of reading complete volumes. I can't speed up Kishimoto. I can't complain when I'm reading it weeks/months before the official English translation is released, so I don't.


^ That's sooo holier-than-thou Lolololol. But it's what I feel.

[K9ofChaos]

So, does anybody think that when Oro and Taka meet up with the Ninja Watcher (that's what I'm gonna call this "person who knows everything" until we're given a proper name and introduction) for the first time they'll finally explain to us the whole "Madara is the Second of the Six Paths and Nagato is the Third of the Six Paths" thing?


Also is Madara really the Second of the Six Paths or did Madara not get the Rinnegan until Kabuto did some modifications to Madara's corpse? If it's the former then Obito must've been really dedicated to keeping himself in character when he was pretending to be Madara.


I wanna learn more about the lore of the Narutoverse. I kittening love lore so much. I wanna know if Onoki's Dust Release is either just a combination of the basic elemental natures of Earth, Wind and Fire or if it's really a combination of two advanced natures such as Sand Release (assuming if Earth and Wind really does make Sand that is) and Scorch Release (assuming if the Naruto fandom guessed right about Wind and Fire being the two ingredients necessary to create Scorching Heat that is).

[MangaReader]

So, does anybody think that when Oro and Taka meet up with the Ninja Watcher (that's what I'm gonna call this "person who knows everything" until we're given a proper name and introduction) for the first time they'll finally explain to us the whole "Madara is the Second of the Six Paths and Nagato is the Third of the Six Paths" thing?


Also is Madara really the Second of the Six Paths or did Madara not get the Rinnegan until Kabuto did some modifications to Madara's corpse? If it's the former then Obito must've been really dedicated to keeping himself in character when he was pretending to be Madara.


I wanna learn more about the lore of the Narutoverse. I kittening love lore so much. I wanna know if Onoki's Dust Release is either just a combination of the basic elemental natures of Earth, Wind and Fire or if it's really a combination of two advanced natures such as Sand Release (assuming if Earth and Wind really does make Sand that is) and Scorch Release (assuming if the Naruto fandom guessed right about Wind and Fire being the two ingredients necessary to create Scorching Heat that is).

I think Sasuke wants to know more about the Massacre still too...

As for Madara bieng truly the second Six paths, I believe he confirmed with Obito that he left his eyes with Nagato and that the one's he was using before his death were spares, so yeah, I think he was. All Kabuto did was restore him to his prime and inserted more of Hashirama cells into him as well.

[T XD]

For those who were wondering why Orochimaru's shoulders were very large in 617, is because he has these ropes or whatever they are behind his back, and under the cloak, they make his shoulders appear like that

Edited by T XD, 27 January 2013 - 06:00 PM.

[MangaReader]

For those who were wondering why Orochimaru's shoulders were very large in 617, is because he has these ropes or whatever they are behind his back, and under the cloak, they make his shoulders appear like that

That makes no sense

[sushi.]

For those who were wondering why Orochimaru's shoulders were very large in 617, is because he has these ropes or whatever they are behind his back, and under the cloak, they make his shoulders appear like that

I remember someone sketched Sakura under his cloak

[KnS]

Not only that, I also have to ask you this, wouldn't a last conversation with Tsunade be heavily focused on?? if so, then it requires a great amount of development towards it. Not a small panel of Sakura just gawking there doing nothing without even a small speech bubble.

I've already explained my view on how this could make sense, and I'm sorry but I'm not willing to go over it again.

Nowhere in this arc do we see Katsuyu hanging around Sakura (or Shizune for that matter) beforehand. Thus, Katsuyu just popping out of the blue doesn't make sense to me. Except for you of course if you prefer off-panel development.

Likewise, I've already explained my view on how this could make sense, and I'm not willing to go over it again.

You know what?? at this point, I feel the more reasons we try to come up with Sakura's disappearance, the more it sounds like pathetic excuses that doesn't make sense.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I do not share it. I find it disappointing that theories and speculations cannot be discussed on this board without being labeled "pathetic excuses."

The only post I found that makes sense (and probably the best one so far) is red's post a few pages back. Rather than trying to figure out reasons for Sakura's disappearance, I think we should try to speculate possible developments for Sakura. At this point, chances for Sakura development seems so small. However, the only one possible development that actually makes sense at this point in the story is what reddragon said about Sakura standing up for Naruto's dream. Really, if Kishi shows Sakura doing that, then I will forgive everything Kishi has done so far.

But I was speculating on possible development for Sakura. That's the point. If Tsunade were to die, and Sakura were to be involved in that resolution, it would be nothing but development for Sakura.

And while I certainly don't mean any disrespect to you or Redragon88, I don't agree that Sakura standing up for Naruto's dream is the best we can hope for her character. She's already done that, time and again -- so much so that it seems cliché at this point. We already know she supports Naruto's dream, and that if the circumstances call for it she would publicly support and defend him and his dreams to the death. We already know all that.

Nevertheless, I agree it's highly possible it could happen just as Redragon88 said. But I personally don't want that to be the sum total of Sakura's development -- being Naruto's greatest cheerleader. I would prefer to see her have something of her own as well, something befitting the third member of Team 7. Naruto reminded Sasuke that Sakura was an equal member of the team, so why shouldn't she have development that is separate from them just as they have had development that is separate from her?

As for the bolded, the part about the chances for Sakura development seeming small, I don't agree. But then I do not share the hypercritical attitude and negativity that seems to be so pervasive these days. For whatever reason, I'm still able to enjoy the story as it written, and don't have set expectations that compel me to prejudge Kishimoto as a failure if he doesn't meet them on a chapter-by-chapter basis. I guess I'm lucky.

If Kishi shows her standing up for his dream, it will absolutely dwarf Hinata's speech in 615. Seeing her standing up for his dream would mean more to Naruto than Hinata standing up for his nindo because it's been his longest-driving motivation for living.

I don't think Sakura needs to dwarf Hinata's speech in 615, especially not by forcing her to compete by giving a "bigger and better" speech. As far as I'm concerned, Sakura already dwarfs Hinata in every possible way, and I do not view Sakura's development through the prism of how she compares to Hinata. "Sakura is not Hinata."

Sakura may very well give a heartfelt, supportive speech about Naruto, but if that's all she does -- if that's all she's expected to be capable of doing to positively contribute to the complex events of the story -- I think that's just as patronizing and limiting to her character as what so many are accusing Kishimoto of doing to her. Just my opinion.

I understand, trust me, I understand the frustration surrounding Sakura's character, but posting those frustrations here only spread even more discontent and frustration. That causes even more frustration on those who're generally chill with anything that goes on in the manga (like those 'be patient' types that post 'be patient,' I'd do it too, but that'd cause more frustration). Really, if you'd seen me when Harry Potter Book 6 came out, I was the same. But, we all gotta remember it's' not the end of the world and that it's all... Fictional. No amount of complaining will change how Kishi dictates his plot, so it's useless to complain about it. I learned all of that from my days of being in the HP fandom.

If you're all frustrated about it, go write a 'fix-fic,' preferably using the idea I mentioned in the 615 thread (shameless plug-in ) or go do something else like play a game, breathe in and out, punch a punching bag, etc. Don't cry about how Kishi betrayed you because nothing went the way you expected it (Yes, I remember someone posting that they did exactly that in the 615 thread. Sorry about calling that person out, but it made me roll my eyes in disbelief). Sorry about the belligerent tone, but that's how I see it.

Remember, Keep Calm and Remember it's all Fictional.

As if this word hasn't popped up enough in this post: FRUSTRATION!

Yes. If fans find themselves consumed by a relentlessly unfavorable opinion, then it seems logical to either stop reading the story or take a refreshing break from it. I know misery loves company, but other than some initial relief from venting it's not very productive. But that's just my opinion too.

Edited by KnS, 27 January 2013 - 07:11 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

For those who were wondering why Orochimaru's shoulders were very large in 617, is because he has these ropes or whatever they are behind his back, and under the cloak, they make his shoulders appear like that

Oro is a big fan of shoulder pads. He is stuck back in the 80s fashion wise, you see.

Witness:

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 27 January 2013 - 07:05 PM.

[Phantom_999]

I made a Sakura thread. Because we're not discussing the chapter anymore. She wasn't even present in 617, so we should make a thread for her. Please use that thread. Peace and love, everyone.

where is it?

[sushi.]

where is it?

Naruto general. Title is "find Sakura" XD