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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

They had a bond, then it broke. She is not anything special to him, yet.

I'm sorry but you really sound biased.
The only one who's special to Sasuke is Naruto.
And it wont change, second is Team Taka.
He only sees Sakura as a part of a team along with Kakashi, but nothing special that prevents him from killing.


I'm sorry but between SS and SK, Karin has way more chances to be with Sasuke than Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's already clear that Sasuke will only talk to Naruto when it comes to bond and such because he knows that he is bonded wit him and admitted that he is the one for him in order to achieve the new sharingan (killing your close one). I wouldn't say Sakura spent the most time with Sasuke in part 1 because really, it all stopped in Chunnin Exam. The next time we see the interactions within Team 7 (as a whole) was the hospital scene. The Chunnin Exam was the moment that Sakura's happiness was shifting towards to Naruto while depression goes to Sasuke. The final verdict is shown when Sasuke told her that Naruto is the one that saved her. I remember this truly.

In part 1, I would say she hung out with both of them even if not more to Naruto. I'm trying not to be biased but I do think this is accurate. I will recap once the war or at least the battle ends. What makes it hard to see SS work is that even Sakura admitted that they have nothing with each other, only in a team. That's the difference. Naruto bonds them individually and together. Sasuke doesn't with the exception of Naruto and Kakashi (for being similar and training). I'm only stating my thoughts, no need to agree with me. Just happy to share.

[MoonStar]

"Will be canon" is different from "should be canon" is different from "bad canon", though. SS and NH can all suck ass, and yet become canon anyway. Quality of a pairing does not guarantee its canon.

I've noticed. Otherwise the romance in this manga wouldn't have been so godawful.

So Tsunade shouldn't die with "Sakura, Naruto is a good man, pick him" as her last words after all?

Why should she? If NS were to become canon it should be of their own accord. Sakura should want to be with Naruto of her own free will. No one telling her to. That's just setting the character up to look shallow and fickle. Well.... more so.

Could you tell how? I've been trying to think on this but can't come up with any reasons for this.

For one, there would be a reason for Sakura to want Sasuke back other than to fangirl over him. She would care for him without any intention of having something back from him. Then there's another side to look at it in that Sasuke would have indirectly brought Naruto and Sakura together in bonding over him.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I'm sorry but you really sound biased.
The only one who's special to Sasuke is Naruto.
And it wont change, second is Team Taka.
He only sees Sakura as a part of a team along with Kakashi, but nothing special that prevents him from killing.


I'm sorry but between SS and SK, Karin has way more chances to be with Sasuke than Sakura.

Of course I am biased. I have my preferences and interests and pay more attention to some things than the others. You are as biased. Everybody is.

Also, I wrote that Sasuke didn't think Sakura as particularly special. This is getting really tiring. Please, read.

[Turson]

How exactly is that clear?

Lol he even thought to himself that "hes not going to let go of her hand". It cant be more obvious - he didnt hold her hand in order to give her chakra.

Edited by Turson, 29 December 2012 - 06:46 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Of course I am biased. I have my preferences and interests and pay more attention to some things than the others. You are as biased. Everybody is.

Also, I wrote that Sasuke didn't think Sakura as particularly special. This is getting really tiring. Please, read.

I really love fallacies if you have your own preference and interest and dont pay more attention to other opinions why are you here at first place with us?


You said "yet" while i disagree he will always see her as a whole like a part of a team not individually.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 06:46 PM.

[sushi.]

Why should she? If NS were to become canon it should be of their own accord. Sakura should want to be with Naruto of her own free will. No one telling her to. That's just setting the character up to look shallow and fickle. Well.... more so.

She could tell her that she should find a man who will bring her happiness, just a general love advice. But i don't want her to tell her that she should pick Naruto. It would be like a matchmaker, which I don't like. Even the NH fans are saying now that Neji died so he could bring Hinata and Naruto together. Really, no greater purpose? That's sickening.

edit, lol. I don't think Tsunade will ever get to the battlefield, so take this as a "what if"-situation.

Edited by sushi., 29 December 2012 - 06:47 PM.

[六道仙人]

But still he could not heal Neji, and i doubt that he can heal other persons, he only transfer Chakra, proof of this is that Kakashi/Gai still needed medical attention

I was speaking about Naruto.

[Qia]

Lol he even thought to himself that "hes not going to let go of her hand". It cant be more obvious - he didnt hold her hand in order to give her chakra.

http://mangastream.c...uto/26074227/20

You mean that? First of all, that's the editor's note, which usually ends up getting taken out when the manga's actually published apparently. Secondly, that could easily be Hinata's thoughts, considering there's no thought bubble on Naruto with these words, and it would reinforce the idea that his hand makes her feel safe. So no, still doesn't prove anything.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I've noticed. Otherwise the romance in this manga wouldn't have been so godawful.

I haven't thought it that bad. I hated HarryxGinny, though. So sudden and shallow. Yet it did give the world Albus Severus Potter so me and HG are even now.

Why should she? If NS were to become canon it should be of their own accord. Sakura should want to be with Naruto of her own free will. No one telling her to. That's just setting the character up to look shallow and fickle. Well.... more so.

It was, until recently, very popular theory of how NS could happen. Tsunade is dying, Sakura arrives, Tsunade's parting words will make Sakura realize her love for Naruto. The role Neji in a way seems to have played for NH.

For one, there would be a reason for Sakura to want Sasuke back other than to fangirl over him. She would care for him without any intention of having something back from him. Then there's another side to look at it in that Sasuke would have indirectly brought Naruto and Sakura together in bonding over him.

Sasuke already did bring them together, as a team and as friends. Sakura is not just a fangirl to Sasuke. She was his friend and cared for him. She wanted to kill him to help him. What on earth did she gain for herself in Sasuke's death? "I got to touch him when I stabbed him! Squee! Now he is dead and can't no more resist my charms and now I shall have my way with him"?

What would NS give to Sasuke himself?

[Turson]

So no, still doesn't prove anything.

Still, its obvious that he didnt hold her hand in order to give her chakra, at least that wasnt his main purpose. Not with all the context.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

http://mangastream.c...uto/26074227/20

You mean that? First of all, that's the editor's note, which usually ends up getting taken out when the manga's actually published apparently. Secondly, that could easily be Hinata's thoughts, considering there's no thought bubble on Naruto with these words, and it would reinforce the idea that his hand makes her feel safe. So no, still doesn't prove anything.

When Karin joined team taka there was a editor's note called "the new heaven and earth".

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I really love fallacies if you have your own preference and interest and dont pay more attention to other opinions why are you here at first place with us?


You said "yet" while i disagree he will always see her as a whole like a part of a team not individually.

That's not a fallacy. Fallacy is like saying "we should eat butter coz it's so natural". That would be a natural fallacy. Or "NS should be canon because it's popular" would be an fallacy.

You can disagree all you like. Agreement cop is not going to come and arrest you, you know.

[Qia]

Still, its obvious that he didnt hold her hand in order to give her chakra, at least that wasnt his main purpose. Not with all the context.

No actually it's not that obvious, considering there have been many people who brought up this option.

When Karin joined team taka there was a editor's note called "the new heaven and earth".

There's also the one saying that Sasuke was about to come to the battlefield...and he still hasn't

Edited by Qia, 29 December 2012 - 06:58 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's not a fallacy. Fallacy is like saying "we should eat butter coz it's so natural". That would be a natural fallacy. Or "NS should be canon because it's popular" would be an fallacy.

You can disagree all you like. Agreement cop is not going to come and arrest you, you know.

Yes you are doing a fallacy, You accept being biased and claims that my opinions are wrong saying that i'm biased too and the funny is, if you are biased and never will stop shipping SS there's no reason for you to be here at first place, because you wont accept any NS opinions since you said that everyone is biased using the generalization fallacy.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 06:59 PM.

[MoonStar]

She could tell her that she should find a man who will bring her happiness, just a general love advice. But i don't want her to tell her that she should pick Naruto. It would be like a matchmaker, which I don't like. Even the NH fans are saying now that Neji died so he could bring Hinata and Naruto together. Really, no greater purpose? That's sickening.

edit, lol. I don't think Tsunade will ever get to the battlefield, so take this as a "what if"-situation.

Everyone knows Neji was only killed of for NH. That's why I called it canon the moment Neji died. Kishi killed off the more interesting character so Hinata could be glorified and get with Naruto. That's all. No one cared much that Neji died. The chapter was more focused on Hinata acting strong. I've no words. Just to shake my head in shame. There's no way Kishi would kill off Neji and not let Hinata get Naruto who she has chased after for so long.

Also, I don't want anyone to influence Sakura's decision if she were to choose Naruto because we'd then have people saying she only chose Naruto because of so and so and that she's using him because she can't get Sasuke. And without any strong evidence to disprove that, Sakura will only appear more shallow.

[Turson]

No actually it's not that obvious, considering there have been many people who brought up this option.

Like I said, he might give her some chakra, but it wasnt his main purpose. Im NS supporter, yet I know this - thats how obvious it is.

[Qia]

Like I said, he might give her some chakra, but it wasnt his main purpose. Im NS supporter, yet I know this - thats how obvious it is.

And I'm trying to tell you we don't know this for sure considering I'm not the first person to say this. Holding her hand, to him, could have been just that. So, agree to disagree? Until we have the next chapter we won't know what's actually happening with NH so.

Edited by Qia, 29 December 2012 - 07:03 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Yes you are doing a fallacy, You accept being biased and claims that my opinions are wrong saying that i'm biased too and the funny is, if you are biased and never will stop shipping SS there's no reason for you to be here at first place, because you wont accept any NS opinions since you said that everyone is biased using the generalization fallacy.

So you can't be interested in hearing other opinions if you like one pairing now and forever?

It is not a fallacy to point out a reality: everyone has their own point of view and this colours our understanding. Which is why it is beneficial to listen to differing opinions to catch the possible flaws in your own thinking.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So you can't be interested in hearing other opinions if you like one pairing now and forever?

It is not a fallacy to point out a reality: everyone has their own point of view and this colours our understanding. Which is why it is beneficial to listen to differing opinions to catch the possible flaws in your own thinking.

You used a fallacy of generalization with an Ad-hominem.
You didnt attack my argument you attacked the fact i'm a NS fan, therefore making all my arguments invalid.


Why should i? You just give me reasons to not hear it.
You said a lot of things that does not make any sense, like Naruto having any feelings for Sakura based on anything just look at Ino she still loves Sasuke even with 0 screetime.

LIke i said hearing other opinions the internet is full of it, places like YT, NF, and etc, i just dont want this website to became just another naruto general debate, because this website is a fanclub and theorically only NS should be here.
I'm almost done with some fakes popping up saying nonsense things like the guy who created a new acc just to say that NH is canon with a wall of text.

About fallacy here you might understand more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 07:12 PM.