the system was never the problem, it was really the people.
ugh...
and you're right. this alone is more deep than anything in naruto:
Exactly!
Those two pages help assert a point I was making during a discussion I had with tricksie a while back. We were discussing the world Kishi built, and I said that Kishi was a great presenter of his world. The outside looked great, but if you cracked open the surface, there wasn't much substance to it. This is one of the reasons why. Kishi tried to take real world issues and completely divide them, and in extension the issues, into black and white, with zero middle ground. He played God and determined what the definition of good and evil is on a whim. You can't do that, issues like that aren't science, they're not cut and dry. This world, and Kishi's Yahagi's world, is full of gray. He arbitrarily ignored that and assigned absolutes to abstract ideas. He failed to truly look at what he was writing and failed to understand the things he was actually saying. How many parents (current, prospective, or people that want to be parents in the future) want to give their child everything they didn't have growing up because they hated the way they had to live? That was one of Minato's reasons for wanting to be a great Hokage and change the world! How many parents want to raise their kids in a better way than they were raised because they hated the way they were raised? How many charities for things such as cancer sprang up because people hated the fact that people die because we have zero knowledge on how to treat a disease? How many great social movements, such as the civil rights movements, have risen because of hatred for the status quo? Yet hate is always a bad thing?
This is why I will always favor the OP and TG worlds over the world that was Naruto (here I go again with OP and TG). Not only are the OP and TG worlds wonderfully presented, but once you crack the surface, those worlds are a spiderweb of complexity! As of now, Doflamingo's statement is somewhat of a subplot, but it's an obvious subplot, Luffy and others will have to face the issue of gray in the world. Kaneki's entire existence is based on a black and white world that was irreparably shattered, and he has to navigate his way through a sea of gray in regards to right and wrong, good and evil. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as doflamingo said, and both Oda and Ishida understand that. Their stories have long since reached a level of complexity that no one involved in the creation of Naruto could ever understand.
The ending of Naruto is what happens when you have a moron that tries to teach wisdom while having no idea what the hell he's talking about. He tried to teach morals without any comprehension of the nature of morality itself. He tried to write a novel before knowing how to read, and tried to run without knowing how to walk. He tried to teach world lessons with no comprehension of the world itself. The only person that ever touched Naruto that might have some real world comprehension is Yahagi, as you can tell because he was still on the staff we had Pain. I am of the firm belief that the Naruto/Pain conversation was a mirror of a conversation with Yahagi to Kishi. Pain's questions to Naruto were Yahagi's questions to Kishi. Naruto and Kishi's answers?
"I don't know."
Edited by AHK, 18 March 2015 - 02:16 AM.
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