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[HauntedCake]

You should just say that she loves both but one is not yet acknowledged. She loves both but if she wants to romantically in love with someone, that's where she has to decide. In other words, loves both but in love is questioned. Though if you ask me, I think she does truly loves Naruto the most when it comes to romantic sense. I'll leave it to you.

Yeah good point. Maybe she romantically loves Naruto but still loves Sasuke. something like that

[luffyq1]

True, but i don't think they are going after Sasuke's heart at all anymore.

Yet they still love him. And due to the circumstances, pursing a relationship with Sasuke now is next to god near impossible.

[Atheck]

It's peculiar how people are claiming that Hinata's ascendancy to head of her clan is set in stone. Wasn't she originally criticized and shunned by her father for being timid and weak who instead decided to focus on training Hanabi for the position of clan leader? I don't understand why his opinion would change over the course of the timeskip unless he decided to grant the position to Hinata because of recent events where she coaxed Naruto into maintaining his resolve and continuing to fight. Sure she may now have some of the qualities necessary to being a leader but she's still fairly timid and vulnerable. Plus having a one-track mind for an individual who isn't even part of your clan would be a liability. Then there's the weaker physical abilities of course which seems to be a prerequisite as well.

[Qia]

Because every character who experienced love has went through some kind of negative struggle for their love. Naruto, Sakura, Ino, Jiraiya, Obito. They've all felt sadness for their love in some kind of way. This level of consistency just makes my point that much stronger. So if Hinata is going to move on, she at least needs to experience something.

Naruto- main character, so of course certain aspects of his character will have more focus. Like his selfless love for Sakura.
Sakura- Main character's love interest who loves another one of the main characters, who becomes the antagonist later on.
Ino- Rival of Sakura; Both, of course, won't be happy with the route their love interest has taken.
Jiraiya/Obito- Parallel for Naruto. Both don't get their love interests and were only able to reach certain stages of their relationship. For instance, Jiraiya, perhaps, may have gained Tsunade's love one day, but he's dead. And then Obito confessed too late, I think and wasn't able to protect his love interest.

When it comes to Hinata, that consistency may actually still be there. The one thing Hinata has always wanted to do was to be Naruto's equal. To have that ability to protect him. To be strong. That was her struggle, and that's why she's been given this kind of attention during the war. Being able to help Naruto back on his feet and supporting him in the way she's always wanted, therefore becoming his equal, and walking with him, along with everyone else, to defeat the enemy. No showing of jealousy is required if that's all she wants to be for Naruto.

Edited by Qia, 16 February 2013 - 10:51 PM.

[T XD]

What the...? Are you really going to ignore the rivalry between Sakura & Ino's efforts to win Sasuke's heart?

I didn't mean to ignore Sakura's and Ino's rivalry. I was telling how Ino wasn't different from Hinata, and the differences of the length of their screen time of both about their moving on, cause you wanted Hinata to be shown more and having time to do Ino, yet still, Hinata got more than Ino had.

In part 1, Sakura and Ino did have numerous screen time about their rivalry over Sasuke, and Hinata was having the same amount about lurking from the shadows and being shy and stutter when she had to talk with Naruto. However in part 2, there's no screen time of Sakura's and Ino's rivalry seeing that Sasuke has left, and let alone Ino haven't gotten screen time alone or some panels of some revealing like Hinata. So...

[HauntedCake]

Yet they still love him. And due to the circumstances, pursing a relationship with Sasuke now is next to god near impossible.

Point recieved however it depends what you define as "love". This has been debated before but does she, can she, could any girl love Sasuke when he's tried to kill Sakura? and Sasuke himself shows no interest in any form of romantic relationship with anyone.

Question - Did K11 find out about Sasuke's murder attempt on Sakura? If they did then could Ino "love" Sasuke anymore?

Yeah they still love him but i'd find it hard to believe if they loved him for anything more then a friend at this stage (trying to save him from his evil ways), but still even then.... he tried to kill Sakura for god's sake.

I generally can't even fathom having any feelings for someone who tried to kill you regardless of your past.

I mean, when's the line going to be drawn??? what after a few more murder attempts??

Edited by HauntedCake, 16 February 2013 - 11:09 PM.

[luffyq1]

Naruto- main character, so of course certain aspects of his character will have more focus. Like his selfless love for Sakura.
Sakura- Main character's love interest who loves another one of the main characters, who becomes the antagonist later on.
Ino- Rival of Sakura; Both, of course, won't be happy with the route their love interest has taken.
Jiraiya/Obito- Parallel for Naruto. Both don't get their love interests and were only able to reach certain stages of their relationship. For instance, Jiraiya, perhaps, may have gained Tsunade's love one day, but he's dead. And then Obito confessed too late, I think and wasn't able to protect his love interest.

When it comes to Hinata, that consistency may actually still be there. The one thing Hinata has always wanted to do was be Naruto's equal. To have that ability to protect him. That was her struggle, and that's why she's been given this kind of attention during the war. Being able to help Naruto back on his feet and supporting him in the way she's always wanted, therefore becoming his equal, and walking with him, along with everyone else, to defeat the enemy. No showing of jealousy is required if that's all she wants to be for Naruto.

That consistency does not follow the point I was making at all. The characters that I've brought up have been shown to realize in some way, shape, or form, that they might not be with the person they love. I have consistent negativity, while you have 1 girl with strong admiration.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 February 2013 - 11:05 PM.

[swagosaurus]

That consistency does not follow the point I was making at all. The characters that I've brought up have been shown to realize in some way, shape, or form, that they might not be with the person they love. I have consistent negativity, while you have 1 girl with strong admiration.

I see what you're saying.

Perhaps, if there's an NS scene during this arc, we'll get Hinata's angst/potential development for her? :o

One way or another, a ship is sinking this arc.

Edited by swagosaurus, 16 February 2013 - 11:16 PM.

[luffyq1]

I see what you're saying.

Perhaps, if there's an NS scene during this arc, we'll get Hinata's angst/potential development for her? :o

One way or another, a ship is sinking this arc.

She should. I know Hinata won't go all yandere if she doesn't get with Naruto, but at least show some kind of damn hint that you're sad by the fact that Naruto doesn't love you. Because as things stand now, I honestly can't picture Hinata being sad at all if she does have to move on.

Edited by luffyq1, 17 February 2013 - 12:22 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

She should. I know Hinata won't go all yandere if she doesn't get with Naruto, but at least show some kind of damn hint that you're sad by the fact that Naruto doesn't love you. Because as things stand now, I honestly can't picture Hinata being sad at all if she does have to move on.

I don't think Hinata even realizes Naruto fell in love with Sakura. 'Cause if she does, I'd expect some angst and sadness right about now. We got the NaruSaku hug, Hinata smiling at it. There is no way that hug didn't have romantic undertones but I feel like she saw no reason to be upset since she knows next to nothing about Naruto actually loving her. A little pretentious? I'd say ignorant. Wow, I use Hinata and ignorant a lot together. O.O

I really wanna agree with redragon's theory and would gladly love to be wrong on this, but I just don't see it that way. The holding hand and "Wait for me!" line was undeniably romantic IMO. Like I said, Hinata's ignorant that Naruto loves someone else so she has this confidence and will to be more upfront with her feelings and attempt to be with him. I really can't see her wishing to move on with nothing, her track record is too bad. Hinata's more obsessed with Naruto and love than being heiress. So why exactly would she be preparing to move on after the way when she doesn't know Naruto doesn't like her the same way? It's too optmistic for my liking. I'm kind of disappointed if I'm right because I'd rather see Hinata put in a less negative, one-track light, if only for development.

Basically, IMO, Hinata's confidence is going to be shot down with failure sometime soon in this arc. Her optimism is misplaced. Something NaruSaku-related will happen from both sides and she'll react with surprise, disappointment, and sadness. That will set the stage for her to move on, hopefully by a timeskip.

[luffyq1]

I don't think Hinata even realizes Naruto fell in love with Sakura. 'Cause if she does, I'd expect some angst and sadness right about now. We got the NaruSaku hug, Hinata smiling at it. There is no way that hug didn't have romantic undertones but I feel like she saw no reason to be upset since she knows next to nothing about Naruto actually loving her. A little pretentious? I'd say ignorant. Wow, I use Hinata and ignorant a lot together. O.O

I really wanna agree with redragon's theory and would gladly love to be wrong on this, but I just don't see it that way. The holding hand and "Wait for me!" line was undeniably romantic IMO. Like I said, Hinata's ignorant that Naruto loves someone else so she has this confidence and will to be more upfront with her feelings and attempt to be with him. I really can't see her wishing to move on with nothing, her track record is too bad. Hinata's more obsessed with Naruto and love than being heiress. So why exactly would she be preparing to move on after the way when she doesn't know Naruto doesn't like her the same way? It's too optmistic for my liking. I'm kind of disappointed if I'm right because I'd rather see Hinata put in a less negative, one-track light, if only for development.

Basically, IMO, Hinata's confidence is going to be shot down with failure sometime soon in this arc. Her optimism is misplaced. Something NaruSaku-related will happen from both sides and she'll react with surprise, disappointment, and sadness. That will set the stage for her to move on, hopefully by a timeskip.

Exactly! This is why I believe she's completely oblivious of the fact that Naruto loves Sakura. Kishi decided to have her so fixated on her strong admiration for Naruto, that she can't see what's going on around him. This is why I think she doesn't feel threatened, she doesn't feel sad, and she doesn't have any type of expression that would suggest otherwise. It's just her love and her enormous boost of assertiveness in pursuing Naruto. That's it. No trail and error. Just run and gun without much consideration.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

here

What I find completely hilarious about this panel is that two other side characters interested in the main characters are just standing there watching this display. Lee crushes on Sakura, Hinata's obsessed with Naruto.

Hinata is the one smiling at one of the biggest NaruSaku moments ever while Lee is the only character who doesn't look happy at the NaruSaku hug.

@luffy1g: I'm 99% sure the reason why Hinata seems so confident in winning Naruto's heart (IMO) is because of that "It's all in your eyes" scene. Naruto was being her friend, acknowledging her and trying to get her to feel better. Suddenly Hinata has this confidence and optimism in 573. In 615, she puts her hand on his cheek throughout her entire speech. Coincidence? I think not. I feel like Hinata misinterpreted Naruto's signals because of her rose-tinted goggles. It's not like she this hasn't happened before. Remember the "I like people like you!" famous Naruto quote? Looks like she took that the wrong way too. One thing Hinata does have in common with a lot of her fanbase: They both have a tendency to turn platonic scenes with Naruto into romantic ones.

I actually feel bad for Hinata. When that mutual NaruSaku moment comes up like I think it will in this War arc and she's the witness to it, that's really going to hit her hard. Though it is kinda her fault for reading his signals wrong. That's what will probably sting the most. She got confident and assertive in her affections for nothing.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 17 February 2013 - 04:51 AM.

[luffyq1]

@luffy1g: I'm 99% sure the reason why Hinata seems so confident in winning Naruto's heart (IMO) is because of that "It's all in your eyes" scene. Naruto was being her friend, acknowledging her and trying to get her to feel better. Suddenly Hinata has this confidence and optimism in 573. In 615, she puts her hand on his check throughout her entire speech. Coincidence? I think not. I feel like Hinata misinterpreted Naruto's signals because of her rose-tinted goggles. It's not like she this hasn't happened before. Remember the "I like people like you!" famous Naruto quote. Looks like she took that the wrong way too. One thing Hinata does have in common with a lot of her fanbase: They both have a tendency to turn platonic scenes with Naruto into romantic ones.

I actually feel bad for Hinata. When that mutual NaruSaku moment comes up like I think it will in this War arc and she's the witness to it, that's really going to hit her hard. Though it is kinda her fault for reading his signals wrong. That's what will probably sting the most. She got confident and assertive in her affections for nothing.

Wow! That actually makes sense. I'll definitely keep this in mind.


And it is because of the bolded part of your post that I can't feel bad for her.

[narulsaku]

@XXRomance girlxx-- i just think that its not hintatas fault. if you like someone like hinata and he says that he likes people like you (mean you) . then its obvious that you ll mistake it as he really likes you in a stage where you like him! am i clear? if not then please tell me. i am actually not that good at english!

[luffyq1]

@XXRomance girlxx-- i just think that its not hintatas fault. if you like someone like hinata and he says that he likes people like you (mean you) . then its obvious that you ll mistake it as he really likes you in a stage where you like him! am i clear? if not then please tell me. i am actually not that good at english!

I like people like you is actually a general statement, meaning that there are people in the world that Naruto places in the same category as Hinata. Hope this helps.

Edited by luffyq1, 17 February 2013 - 06:06 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@XXRomance girlxx-- i just think that its not hintatas fault. if you like someone like hinata and he says that he likes people like you (mean you) . then its obvious that you ll mistake it as he really likes you in a stage where you like him! am i clear? if not then please tell me. i am actually not that good at english!

Still a general statement. Naruto wasn't saying "Oh, I have a crush on you!" he was saying he liked nice people, like her. Hinata instantly misintepreted that the wrong way, her reaction was telling. I'd be happy and maybe sorta hopeful but not fall into a catatonic "He likes me ..." like she did.

I think she only registered the "I like" and "you" part.

[bthug]

Hey guys,

Always loved Naruto, but about a year and half ago I got really into it, cause it stared airing on tv again. I remembered the reason i loved it as well...because I wanted Narusaku. I could contain myself so i pretty much spoiled the entire anime to see what happens with Narusaku (i like to follow english anime versions of things, yea i know im an idiot lol).

So as I got really into I need a place to vent and i found this lovely place, I posted on it day and night, met cool ppl, and great debates. Then I think manga chapter 495 came out, the one where sakura mentions something about someone shes cares for and we all thought it was naruto, then the next chapter came out and it was sasuke's image she had....I was bummed and this was after sakura told naruto she loved him and he turned her down and it didnt seem sincere.

So I fell off the board, but now I'm back. So lets talk Narusaku, can anyone catch me up on Narusaku moments I may have missed (i dont follow manga) feel free to spoil it for me also if u can, fill me in on anything that might work against Narusaku.
Thanks appreciate it guys, look foward to hearing back and debating some NaruSaku.

[narulsaku]

@luffyq and xxromance girl-- wait didnt i just said what you two are saying. and yes you would be hope ful. but hinata she just mistook that line thats what i am trying to say. man i really need to work on it.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I've realized once again how many NaruHina fans are so patronizing and aggressively defensive. I post several Pro-NS comments, Anti-NH comments with supports from the manga to a NH fan and the then he counters with two posts against my 6, close-minded and denying everything possible that I said. Saying I'm biased, wearing shipping goggles on too tight, don't know what I'm taking about.

Then he calls my post a wall of dribble and bulls*t, saying arguing with my flawed logic is pointless. Then he talks crap about me to another commenter, stating my posts were anger-filled and entertaining, showing absolutely no respect in my opinion at all when I said all the time NaruHina has a chance. The hilarious thing? I wasn't even angry. There were no rage-screaming in what I said, I was being calm.

Why are so many NaruHina fans like that? They accuse me of being angry and defensive just because I bring up many supports to solidify my line of thinking instead of saying it, secretly knowing NaruHina is inevitable? It just couldn't be more wrong ... my replies are usually logical and I'm not famous for belittling responses to NaruHina, at least in a debate.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 17 February 2013 - 06:59 AM.

[Slextrem]

I've realized once again how many NaruHina fans are so patronizing and aggressively defensive. I post several Pro-NS comments, Anti-NH comments with supports from the manga to a NH fan and the then he counters with two posts against my 6, close-minded and denying everything possible that I said. Saying I'm biased, wearing shipping goggles on too tight, don't know what I'm taking about.

Then he calls my post a wall of dribble and bulls*t, saying arguing with my flawed logic is pointless. Then he talks crap about me to another commenter, stating my posts were anger-filled and entertaining, showing absolutely no respect in my opinion at all when I said all the time NaruHina has a chance. The hilarious thing? I wasn't even angry. There were no rage-screaming in what I said, I was being calm.

Why are so many NaruHina fans like that? They accuse me of being angry and defensive just because I bring up many supports to solidify my line of thinking instead of saying it, secretly knowing NaruHina is inevitable? It just couldn't be more wrong ... my replies are usually logical and I'm not famous for belittling responses to NaruHina, at least in a debate.

This is why I stopped "debating".

Pointlessly trying to get your opinion across to someone that doesn't take you seriously is tiresome. My suggestion is to ignore the comment sections on Youtube and keep all of the debating that you want to do in this thread. There may not be many fans from the opposing side to analyze your argument, but at least everyone here appreciates your opinion.

Edited by Slextrem, 17 February 2013 - 08:14 AM.