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[rocci]

@narutouzumKi
Battle(action), story, and character(development).
After that pairing. I only care about pairing at the beginning of part 1.

Anyway I think naruto could become harem manga if sasuke is a girl. But if kishi keep the lovetriangle, it will make sakura a lesbian.

[Shadow1275]

 

What a ridiculous excuse. so the cycle of hatred that plagued the world even when there were no Indra-Asura reincarnations was somehow their fault too? So by saving Sasuke he magically destroyed the cycle of hatred? Ugh!

 

I will say here, kishimoto should have adressed this better, it makes no sense if the cycle of hatred happened only because of these two men, no sense at all .

The peace that came from Obito uniting the countries against him is also flawed, it lacked explanation on what happened to other countries/ small villages others than the big 5, like Amegakure for example. 

 

If kishimoto wanted to keep Naruto simple, then he shouldn't have added complex themes to the story. I'm not even arguing about Sakura here man, her relationship with Naruto is unrelated to this hokage business saved by the fact that she wanted to support him on it -- which was also not adressed

Cycle of hatred my ass!

 

What about free will? What about not being prisoner's of destiny? What about breaking this cycle of hate and world peace? How does saving Sasuke=world peace? Why do we need ninja if there is no more hatred and fighting? Why does Toneri exist if everything is supposed to gum drops and ice cream?????????

[Khaleesi]

Me !?  Neveeeeeeerrrr !!!    .

I mean, there is no people that will understand it apart of us 4 

And?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

And?

That's all 

 

Cycle of hatred my ass!

 

What about free will? What about not being prisoner's of destiny? What about breaking this cycle of hate and world peace? How does saving Sasuke=world peace? Why do we need ninja if there is no more hatred and fighting? Why does Toneri exist if everything is supposed to gum drops and ice cream?????????

True hero will solve all problems by his eyepower in part 3, belive it!

[Change]

People converting to being Recnata/nh and SS fans? What's this monstrosity?

What? Where?

I think people don't understand why this is "face palming" news.

What happened? 

[FireFox]

And?

Jorah loves you don't forget     . 

[luffyq1]

Cycle of hatred my ass!

 

What about free will? What about not being prisoner's of destiny? What about breaking this cycle of hate and world peace? How does saving Sasuke=world peace? Why do we need ninja if there is no more hatred and fighting? Why does Toneri exist if everything is supposed to gum drops and ice cream?????????

the cycle of hatred was dumb to begin with. there was no way that naruto would pull off getting rid of everyone's hatred in the world without looking ridiculous and unrealistic, especially with tnj around every corner.

[Nar123]

I mean, there is no people that will understand it apart of us 4 

 

You missed the point, that Sasuke was practically using some mirrored plan of Madara by uniting all people against him. Madara tried to control all people. Both wanted to use their power to finish all in solo by them. Solving that, would solve main theme of "circle of hatred".

Naruto already became leader of this 5 nations army. You wanted him to do even more?

 

Peace is always flawed, ALWAYS, only metters to what degree it is. Amegakura was ruled by Konan, so she would support Naruto as of will of both her friends. small countrys coudn't do a thing against big 5. Not military not economicaly could they. At least what I suggest - would make it more realistic. 5 big countries united in their will to stop war, and this conflict would be settled for generations.

 

But now, canon story says that there is another conflict in couple of years, so, do you like how Naruto ended this? That's him becoming messiah and living legend. 

Well, Kishimoto coudn't complete even one of themes in his work, so nothing to ask for, from him.

 

There were times without any of Asura-Intra transmigrants, example 2 and 3 ninja war. The cycle of hatred is deep inside the ninja system, not only between two people , Kishimoto failed to address this

 

I said the peace was flawed because we received no explanation, and Konan is dead, what even happened to Amegakure? And the other small countries? Things like this could have been addressed in only a manga panel, kishimoto failed here too

 

Yeah kishimoto pretty much failed most of the themes he set up early on this story and I just think having Naruto travelling on his own like Jiraya sometimes did, researching for a manner to bring an end to the various conflicts that still would plaue humankind would be a nice closure oto his character, then an epilogue could show him coming back ready to accept the hokage job 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Just referring to the interview. I understand DBZ went through this more or less, but this one is different and pretty effective. Talking about story.

[Nar123]

Cycle of hatred my ass!

 

What about free will? What about not being prisoner's of destiny? What about breaking this cycle of hate and world peace? How does saving Sasuke=world peace? Why do we need ninja if there is no more hatred and fighting? Why does Toneri exist if everything is supposed to gum drops and ice cream?????????

 

Exaclty this whole thing makes no sense!! Naruto became a prisoner of destiny and there is no hint that the ninja system changed whatsoever, a system that is build on killing other persons and mercenary work

[Khaleesi]

Jorah loves you don't forget     . 

Ok, ok         

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

There were times without any of Asura-Intra transmigrants, example 2 and 3 ninja war. The cycle of hatred is deep inside the ninja system, not only between two people , Kishimoto failed to address this

 

I said the peace was flawed because we received no explanation, and Konan is dead, what even happened to Amegakure? And the other small countries? Things like this could have been addressed in only a manga panel, kishimoto failed here too

 

Yeah kishimoto pretty much failed most of the themes he set up early on this story and I just think having Naruto travelling on his own like Jiraya sometimes did, researching for a manner to bring an end to the various conflicts that still would plaue humankind would be a nice closure oto his character, then an epilogue could show him coming back ready to accept the hokage job 

Well, 2nd war totally unknown, but we know that third was partly a Iwagakura's cause. And Oonoki already changed his mind about peace by Gaara's words and his own actions. So that was solved.

So you suggest drop part of Naruto's character and his love/bond to Sakura? Intresting.

[Nar123]

the cycle of hatred was dumb to begin with. there was no way that naruto would pull off getting rid of everyone's hatred in the world without looking ridiculous and unrealistic, especially with tnj around every corner.

It was not dumb...it was complex, kishimoto didn't know how to address this properly and thus it gives of the impression that its a dumb theme

[rocci]

Just referring to the interview. I understand DBZ went through this more or less, but this one is different and pretty effective. Talking about story.

What do you mean?


Kishi truly lucky to have yahagi. There's a mangaka who need to change magazine(publisher) because she doesn't want to work with her editor.

[luffyq1]

It was not dumb...it was complex, kishimoto didn't know how to address this properly and thus it gives of the impression that its a dumb theme

kishi put something as complex as that in his story and was too lazy/dumb to really dive into its layers. so yeah, it was dumb to begin with.

[Nar123]

Well, 2nd war totally unknown, but we know that third was partly a Iwagakura's cause. And Oonoki already changed his mind about peace by Gaara's words and his own actions. So that was solved.

So you suggest drop part of Naruto's character and his love/bond to Sakura? Intresting.

 

It is known what happened over there, the wiki explains it

 

http://naruto.wikia....inobi_World_War ( it was where the sannins fought)

http://naruto.wikia....inobi_World_War ( the war where kakashi received his sharingan) 

 

 

And no if Naruto ended up travelling at the end he could have very well confessed to Sakura before parting and then she could have given him a typical "tsunderish" answer , or maybe she would look out for him and talk to him herself, seriously a lot of things regarding NS could be done with this scenario 

Edited by Nar123, 18 March 2015 - 01:12 AM.

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Just referring to the interview. I understand DBZ went through this more or less, but this one is different and pretty effective. Talking about story.

I mean everything after November 5th went below rock bottom so it's to be expected that such ludicrous things were bound to pop up 

[TouKen4Life3g]

What do you mean?


Kishi truly lucky to have yahagi. There's a mangaka who need to change magazine(publisher) because she doesn't want to work with her editor.

The whole editor ordeal and such like every WSJ manga does this. I understand that they do but Naruto took it since the beginning and beyond. Feel free to add anything.

[rocci]

@nar123
Naruto only need to make confession for NS to happen.
It doesn't need development at this point, because NS already reach critical point.

Edited by rocci, 18 March 2015 - 01:14 AM.

[Shadow1275]

the cycle of hatred was dumb to begin with. there was no way that naruto would pull off getting rid of everyone's hatred in the world without looking ridiculous and unrealistic, especially with tnj around every corner.

I would understand if he perhaps set the world towards a path of peace by perhaps creating a united nations persay, as long as he aknowledged that it was still not a perfect world but on its way. But yeah, there is no such thing as a perfectly peaceful world and saying their is is just idealistic rubbish,