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[TouKen4Life3g]

Last thing to say before changing topic:

 

Well, I guess the fate is all on SS to win them back. Well, we'll just see.

 

So yeah, I wonder how the next follow-up would be. I don't even know what they're doing. They're going to the body and then what? Just beat the hell out of it like a video game?

[Inferno180]

Apparently the Mina-Kushi / Naru-Saku parallel isn't a done deal for the NaruHina fans... This is disturbing 

 

 

Really? Still going on about this? Well some are presistant.

 

There is a fundamental difference between a moment and a foreshadowing element. Haters may not get it but 615 was a moment, Hinata spoke and Kurama had input with it too, all it was was about sacrifice, Naruto was pulled back from the brink, it was simple, its done. What about 631 with the Sakura-Kushina thing? Well remember, Kushina's "find someone like your mother" began in the confining the Jinchurki arc, everythingg Kushina said came true (so far), so we have to assume Naruto will find a girl. This was foreshadowing a love in the end. Now with 631, we get Minato doing this and saying "This girl reminds me of Kushina." Kushina said find someone like your mother, Minato is thinking Sakura is like Kushina. The simple answer to this?

 

It was Kushina's words that began a foreshadowing element, Minato just added onto what Kushina said. Because of this, its something telling the reader, hmm maybe there something connected here, maybe Sakura and Kushina are alike, maybe Sakura is the girl Naruto was told to find. This is a simple foreshadowing element, not up to the characters to decipher, this type of stuff is aimed at the reader, directly at the reader, its not hard, god this stuff is met for Middle schoolers, yet we still have people complaining or trying to argue with it. Seriously, if Kishi wanted to, he could have done Hinata or skipped the girlfriend stuff but he used Sakura, again, in another event people thought it would be Hinata. The same thing remains, if he wanted to use Hinata, she was available but he chose Sakura, plain and simple, the parallel is not going to be reaffirmed or repositioned on her, seriously Minato may have no idea about Sakura, but the stuff he said was for a foreshadowing element, to keep Kushina's words up, seriously, I'd be expecting a forehead compliment anytime in the near future this year, how will people argue this when if that comes up?

[Zatheko]

I know this is ridiculous  However, some of them may have some good points. One naruhina fan say to me that he acknowledge the fact that Sakura is indeed a parallel to Sakura. However , the problem is that it's the same for Naruto. He use this first pannel as a proof

 

So he clealery said to me that Naruto and Sakura can't end up together because they have the same personality, and Naruto should end up with someone like Minato ( Hinata i guess ) to have the same relationship that MinaKushi had. What do you think about that ?

This doesn't really work, in that same chapter Jiraiya says he sees Minato in Naruto so it works that way as well, you can't just say oh only what Tsunade says counts but Jiraiya is whack.

 

Besides Kushina didn't say find a girl like his father, she said find one like his mother. If she had said father I would be concerned that Kushina might be a yaoi fan 

 

Btw the word "HIM" is bolded bringing more emphasis to it, I think Kishi was trying to say we should see Minato in Naruto.

Edited by zatheko, 30 May 2013 - 03:00 AM.

[Hiraishin]

Hey, Kishi remembered to give Minato Edo Tensei eyes while in Kyuubi Chakra Mode... He forgot last chapter. And at the end of the chapter Naruto almost looks like he's in a mix of Kyuubi Chakra Mode and Tailed Beast Mode. Kishi's messing up a lot of things lately. He's definitely rushing...

Also, by Sakura's words, it seems like she released the stored chakra? Because she said, "Now it's filled up... I can finally release it."

Man, though, just imagine what a monster Sakura would be if she had the Hakugo seal and Kyuubi chakra cloak.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 30 May 2013 - 03:00 AM.

[al0eaz]

I can't believe NH fans are still on about the NS moment in 631... -__- The butthurt flows strongly through those ones. 

[Inferno180]

I know this is ridiculous  However, some of them may have some good points. One naruhina fan say to me that he acknowledge the fact that Sakura is indeed a parallel to Sakura. However , the problem is that it's the same for Naruto. He use this first pannel as a proof

 

So he clealery said to me that Naruto and Sakura can't end up together because they have the same personality, and Naruto should end up with someone like Minato ( Hinata i guess ) to have the same relationship that MinaKushi had. What do you think about that ?

 

 

Bolded : Thats just breaking their own argument right there, Kushina said find a girl like your mother not find a girl like your father. Again a contradiction, even then, you can use the same logic here from what Jiraya said, he said "thats why I see him in Naruto" meaning Jiraya claims Minato in Naruto more than Kushina, so there you can bust that argument and again turn it around on them. If Jiraya (one parallel to naruto) advocates Minato (as another parallel) then what seems to be the priority?

 

Even then you can still say Sakura is like Minato: Both are smart, normal, not from a clan, and considered prodigies in their own respective talents, heck you can also count very powerful now as well considering what Sakura just unleashed.

 

When they want to argue, the worst thing is having stuff that can be directly turned against them, this is why so many anti-NS arguments usually are full of holes. Well in my experience anyways.

Edited by Inferno180, 30 May 2013 - 03:04 AM.

[arian_rad]

I know this is ridiculous  However, some of them may have some good points. One naruhina fan say to me that he acknowledge the fact that Sakura is indeed a parallel to Sakura. However , the problem is that it's the same for Naruto. He use this first pannel as a proof

 

So he clealery said to me that Naruto and Sakura can't end up together because they have the same personality, and Naruto should end up with someone like Minato ( Hinata i guess ) to have the same relationship that MinaKushi had. What do you think about that ?

 

I think this is just turning into an excuse at this point. Kushina never said Naruto, find someone like your dad, she said find someone like your mom. And lets not forget, Kushina's character was created to say that panel much after sakura's development to be like Kushina. Noone knew before that scene with Naruto and his mom that she actually said that. It was kishi trying to create a parallel because he had already developed sakura into that. It was fully confirmed last chapter when Minato even made the comparison. There is no point in trying to argue this anymore, i have said before Naruto was like his mother very much in the beginning of Naruto and even Shippuden but during mid shippuden he was much more calm, collective and relaxed. Many times even Jiraiya knows that Naruto represents his father. During the pain arc invasion, tsunade see's a canvas of Jiraya and Minato as Naruto is standing before him. Therefore it is clear that Naruto is actually growing up to be more like Minato in the end. Another thing is that Rasengan that represents so much which was his fathers jutsu. This shows he is following in his fathers footsteps as Hokage and learning to surpass him. Also to add on, I see none of Hinata in Minato other than the fact that she's quite like thats it. Hinata is not a hero, she's not a saviour and she's not even a main character.

Edited by arian_rad, 30 May 2013 - 03:09 AM.

[Ex-psych75]

All NH so called "developments" or "hints" were rendered useless the moment Naruto reconfirmed his feeling for Sakura.

 

As for SS

 

"I love Sasuke-kun!!->hmm there's something about Naruto....-> Nah, I still love Sasuke-kun."

 

I remember one of you guys made this one, and it made a point.

 

I'm hearing that Sakura wasn't even in her final form after blowing up that battlefield!? I smell a candidate of most OP character in Naruto

[TouKen4Life3g]

Funny, the more I see more of MinaKushi/NaruSaku, the more I remember why NS will be endgame. All the more reasons since you guys brought it up. Sorry, this war is going to end soon.

 

Hm, so Juubi wants to take out Naruto really badly. Of course, it will take out anyone else, but Hashirama told him that it's targeting him. So...I wonder...

[Zatheko]

Funny, the more I see more of MinaKushi/NaruSaku, the more I remember why NS will be endgame. All the more reasons since you guys brought it up. Sorry, this war is going to end soon.

 

Hm, so Juubi wants to take out Naruto really badly. Of course, it will take out anyone else, but Hashirama told him that it's targeting him. So...I wonder...

It sucks that for me I often find myself wishing for the war to end so that some possible NS interaction could follow, I should be able to just sit back and enjoy Naruto for the action but lately NS or Sakura powerups are always on my mind 

 

As for what Hashi said it could be a hint that something might happen Naruto or come close to happening to him, I wonder if this could lead to Sakura realizing her feelings?

Edited by zatheko, 30 May 2013 - 03:14 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It sucks that for me I often find myself wishing for the war to end so that some possible NS interaction could follow, I should be able to just sit back and enjoy Naruto for the action but lately NS or Sakura powerups are always on my mind 

 

As for what Hashi said it could be a hint that something might happen Naruto or come close to happening to him, I wonder if this could lead to Sakura realizing her feelings?

Naruto still its target, so it will do everything to kill him and not letting reaching to the body. I wonder how this would all end.

[Zatheko]

Naruto still its target, so it will do everything to kill him and not letting reaching to the body. I wonder how this would all end.

I don't want Naruto to die 

 

...Unless of course it leads to Sakura using Chiyo's technique to give her life for him, and then when Obito gets tnj'd he revives her.

 

But still i think I prefer neither of them to die.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't want Naruto to die 
 
...Unless of course it leads to Sakura using Chiyo's technique to give her life for him, and then when Obito gets tnj'd he revives her.
 
But still i think I prefer neither of them to die.

Wow, I didn't think of that. Hm, I still wonder how those two will get into the battlefield. It does seem like Juubi will go down first. Odd, because wasn't the point of having Juubi out to complete the moon plan? This is confusing.

[Inferno180]

All NH so called "developments" or "hints" were rendered useless the moment Naruto reconfirmed his feeling for Sakura.

 

As for SS

 

"I love Sasuke-kun!!->hmm there's something about Naruto....-> Nah, I still love Sasuke-kun."

 

I remember one of you guys made this one, and it made a point.

 

I'm hearing that Sakura wasn't even in her final form after blowing up that battlefield!? I smell a candidate of most OP character in Naruto

 

While its true Hinata is still around and Sakura still loves Sasuke as far as 540 anyways, not going to get into a discussion about *that* panel this chapter (even then its so minor it doesn't really change anything). I just really cannot see anything or reason for Hinata to get center stage again, I mean the ten tails is almost in its final form, its focused on team 7, if anything next chapter we will focus more on team 7 fighting together, the location of Orochimaru, Suigetsu, and Karin, or visit Kakashi and Obito. Aka, when reason do we have again to focus on Hinata? Haters are getting ticked off at these recent chapter cause all Hinata did was assemble a defense formation and that didn't last long, Sakura got a speech, Minato came and delivered the biggest blow to NH, Naruto was confirmed to still love Sakura (for the most part due to the girlfriend event) and this chapter, she basically went haxxor super saiyan in her own way. So Sakura had reasons all her own, espcially since team 7 is back, but its really a hard position for NH right now, because of these factors:

1. Its focused on team 7, not team 7 plus hinata, rather the focus is on team 7, the edo hokages, madara, and Obito.

2. Where does Hinata fit with Sasuke, this is practically the first time in ages they even occupy the same space, yet they still say nothing to each other. This was the biggest obstacle of all for NH, when did Hinata ever and i mean ever know the ordeals with Sasuke? The main plot for that matter?

3. Sakura had a reason for a powerup, merely being a member of the sanin, its cheap but hey, Sakura is the heroine. Hinata got her "big air palm deflection at the ten tails" woo hoo, we get Sakura slamming a whole horde of mini ten tail soldiers.

 

As for SS, it remains the same, still the biggest factor of all is Sasuke, what reason could he ever have to suddenly love Sakura? This seems even less likely due to Jugo's perception of what Sasuke is really going to do. Its just really all due to the way things ran, aside from the land of iron events, I just cannot see it happening due to the fact he never had love for others in the start, no reason to do it now, this just puts Sasuke completely OOC and makes things even harder to follow then the whole Sasuke wanting to be hokage ordeal, at least that ordeal made sense and set up a good reason for the final fight, compared to this, the hokage crap with last chapter and this one is considered a saint to Sasuke suddenly coming down with happy warm feelings.

 

The whole Sakura kushina thing really just opened so many possibilities to us, mainly the return of the forehead stuff from chapter 3. All this anger is just because Sakura has gained a lot of time and well, you know how the haters are by now, upset over anything Sakura does. Let them wallow in their hate, not going to let them ruin this. Not really worried at all about NS either, it just has a lot of advantages and the whole freaking Sakura-Kushina thing from Minato, that was just the start, if it was that bad last week, just wait till the other stuff comes in. Forehead compliment imminent in the future is what I say.

 

Side note: anyone think we need a more refined answer to Naruto still loving Sakura beyond the girlfriend thing? I still stick by the fact he never once doubted his feelings for her, having the reasons to understand and just plain forgiving her after the land of iron and hearing what Sai told him. Also kinda with the whole ruckus from this morning when he said "i'm here too sakura" well to me and some others, thats kinda putting him back into impressing her (again let this whole panel thing rest don't reopen it).

Edited by Inferno180, 30 May 2013 - 03:31 AM.

[Zatheko]

Wow, I didn't think of that. Hm, I still wonder how those two will get into the battlefield. It does seem like Juubi will go down first. Odd, because wasn't the point of having Juubi out to complete the moon plan? This is confusing.

Yeah, I think Madara must know something we don't or is planning something, he seems unusually calm in this situation.

[Raptor3789]

After visiting the NF forums, words cannot describe the mess the unholy mess that is happening over there.

 

Regarding the chapter. It was AWESOME, finally glad Sakura's finally getting a chance to shine. However the diamond on the forehead bothers me. Wouldve preferred somewhere else, LIKE HER FISTS. *knows next to nothing about the jutsu*

[Zatheko]

After visiting the NF forums, words cannot describe the mess the unholy mess that is happening over there.

 

Regarding the chapter. It was AWESOME, finally glad Sakura's finally getting a chance to shine. However the diamond on the forehead bothers me. Wouldve preferred somewhere else, LIKE HER FISTS. *knows next to nothing about the jutsu*

But it fits so well for her

 

She used to always have problems and insecurities regarding her forehead, now that it has the diamond on it it's the perfect time for Naruto to compliment it and then we can get some.  

[Inferno180]

After visiting the NF forums, words cannot describe the mess the unholy mess that is happening over there.

 

Regarding the chapter. It was AWESOME, finally glad Sakura's finally getting a chance to shine. However the diamond on the forehead bothers me. Wouldve preferred somewhere else, LIKE HER FISTS. *knows next to nothing about the jutsu*

 

Not suprising, but then again its like these past 3 chapters were designed solely to target the Sakura hating crowd and smack them around to let them understand Sakura does understand Naruto and support him, she is like Kushina, does have power, and is not being cheap about it. Mostly that she is the heroine. This all falls back to one simple reason: Its Sakura, not Hinata. Cause remember what kishi said, "You say Hinata Hinata, I say she is Sakura."

[FoolishYoungling]

But it fits so well for her

 

She used to always have problems and insecurities regarding her forehead, now that it has the diamond on it it's the perfect time for Naruto to compliment it and then we can get some.  

 

Get some on the battlefield? You know what, I wouldn't be upset if Kishi did this. Leave Juubi to Sasuke and the others for a few minutes.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 30 May 2013 - 03:47 AM.

[Atheck]

Did anyone else here notice that Team Guy was conspicuously absent from the group as the rookies were gathering together? They did originally take part in the Chunin Exams alognside the others and they were equally as unexperienced with the exams as any of the younger characters were since that was their first attempt. It's odd that Kishi would exclude them like that. Furthermore, where exactly is Sai? Of course the chapter was intended to be an exhibition of the newly reborn Team 7 but Sai did create a place for himself on the team and for Kishi to not even acknowledge his presence is troubling. If nothing else he could have been provided with some reaction panels as Team 7 was making preparations to attack Jubi.

 

It just seems that Kishi is tarnishing the dignity of Sai's character by refusing to even acknowledge his presence amongst all of the groups. I mean surely he would find it odd that Sasuke has suddenly appeared after many months of being branded as an international fugitive and is now helping the alliance in their fight against Madara and Jubi.

Edited by Atheck, 30 May 2013 - 04:01 AM.