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[TouKen4Life3g]

He probably see him restoring her chakra he will dont see it as a romantic, like i said is more likely that he will focus on Naruto's comrades, not hinata, he will start targetting them, he may hit Sakura or Sakura do something to save Kakashi and gets hit.
She dying or Naruto will heavily injury Naruto and Hinata cant do anything, i do not want to sound like a fanfic but i think he will probably say i love you to sakura and swear that he would change the world.

Obito sees it and Naruto's determination, then he gets converted to the good side and uses rinne tensei no jutsu to ressurrect everyone minus the guys who didnt die on the battlefield.
Like, Tsunade(probably), Izuna, Shikaku.

Well, Obito is in fighting mode now since Killer Bee just attack, so he don't have time to look, but we'll see. I agree with you about the comrade situation. That's what the last chapter was about. Even the title is about connection. Naruto is linked to millions, so the point is that he shouldn't let it go to waste. You know, that idea could happen. Like Obito just gets mad and take his hate on Kakashi since he's the one that started the idea of no hope (fail to keep Rin alive). Naruto would look like he would go for the kill which might remind Obito of his reaction when he witness Rin's death. Of course, Naruto won't kill him but he will be extremely mad at him. This could be that talk. This is possible. I imagine that Obito can snap when he is truly desperate to prove a point, much like Light from Death Note at the end. After all, he said to Kakashi that his identity doesn't matter anymore.

One thing I won't like unless done properly is the revival. Perhaps Obito might explain the function and limitation of the jutsu, since it could be the last time we see it in action. Anyway, time will definitely tell. It's a long break. I say do stuff that you haven't complete yet. Also, I don't think doing that to Tsunade will do any help. She is split in half. So she only get revive to feel horrible pain. At best, being a handicap. We'll see

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You assumed based on Kishi's interviews and comments that Sakura would play a large role in this arc. So far: not true. I'm speculating as well, of course, when I say that Sakura might yet have a role, if not in this arc, then in the Sasuke fight. That's all.




I don't blame you. This is a one long thread. Anyway, here it is.

Sakura looking upset when seeing Hinata romantically with Naruto in the Pain arc and now in ch 615 I wrote earlier:

In both cases the surrounding situations aren't exactly ideal. They are under attack, someone is badly injured, someone is dead. Sakura has no reason to look happy. It could be that she's just feeling down due all the devastation and it has nothing to do with jealousy for NH. It is of course possible that Sakura is not happy because she wants to be with Naruto herself.

I doubt she would feel jealous, her reaction was witnessing all those deaths(just because i see a lot of smokes on Naruto's background), no one see Naruto grabbing Hinata's hand, moreover If Sakura fall in love with Naruto it's because her development of understanding him come to an end and she fall in love with him because he become an awesome person and ninja that overcome all those difficultis that she felt.

Hinata's development come to an end, and like stated before, her development is not about understanding Naruto, i doubt that she can be his gf without knowing Naruto fully, Naruto does not even calls her "Hinata-chan".
It also applies to SS, Sakura barely knows Sasuke despite being her former teammate, her development was not on a route to understand Sasuke.
I would take as SS canon if she said "Sasuke i understand why you are doing this" on that confession arc, but he seemed a completely strange person to her, even when they were teammates she could not even understand him, why he was like that, why he was cold to her, even saying on part 1 that she wanted to go with him, she did not even know why he wanted that revenge for what purpose and etc.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 05:47 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

It also applies to SS, Sakura barely knows Sasuke despite being her former teammate.

I'll just copy my post on this from debate thread:

I have a hard time believing that Sakura would view Sasuke as some romance hero who has hardly done anything wrong. She tried to kill him because she thought he had gone too far. She temporarily gave up hope of ever getting him back. She knew he was tempted by promises of power from Oro. That is why she was waiting for him by that road back in the days of Sasuke retrieval. She doesn't think him in great light in ch 540, either. I think Sakura knows full well what Sasuke is like, how dark and messed-up. She just loves him anyway.

Not exactly on the point, but relevant. And to expand on this: Sakura did work and travel and hang out with Sasuke during part I. They also knew each other since they were kids. She was the only one who realized how badly he was tempted by Oro's promises. Kakashi and Naruto thought that Sasuke would get over it. Sakura was the only one in Konoha who realized that Sasuke was leaving. She knew he would and waited for him by the road. She also recognised long before Naruto how far Sasuke had gone and was willing to kill him because of it. Sakura doesn't know Sasuke? Sure...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'll just copy my post on this from debate thread:


Not exactly on the point, but relevant. And to expand on this: Sakura did work and travel and hang out with Sasuke during part I. They also knew each other since they were kids. She was the only one who realized how badly he was tempted by Oro's promises. Kakashi and Naruto thought that Sasuke would get over it. Sakura was the only one in Konoha who realized that Sasuke was leaving. She knew he would and waited for him by the road. She also recognised long before Naruto how far Sasuke had gone and was willing to kill him because of it. Sakura doesn't know Sasuke? Sure...

Nope, those argument of "they also knew each other since they were kids" does not mean they spend a lot of time together, Sasuke was always being seemed alone, and moreover Naruto fighting for Sakura's attention.

She knew he was tempted by Oro's promises but she didnt knew anything about his motives( i dont know how to put this word but it's almost like Naruto knowing what revenge is), she knew he was cold and would leave the village it's not the same as knowing the reasons.
This is so true that he ignored her and keep on the road.
The truth was she didnt really knew about him at all, or did you forget about chapter 3?
Sakura was worrying about him all the time, she didnt even knew about Naruto and Sasuke rivalry and why they were fighting at the roof, she thought Naruto would turn down Sasuke's request.

Concluding is, Sakura on part 1 vow to protect both Naruto and Sasuke, and moreover both Naruto and Sasuke were strange to her.
The difference is on part 2, all her development was about understanding Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 06:05 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

I'd gladly eat my own words if a no-cons all-pros NS moment were to happen, but it won't. And I'm 90% certain of that. I'm not gonna get my hopes up to be disappointed the 6th time since Nagato died.

Moonstar! It's Illusive from MF.

Btw, I will lol hard if next chapter Naruto goes running around holding everyones hand to give them Kurama's chakra just like he did Kakashi and Hinata.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'll just copy my post on this from debate thread:


Not exactly on the point, but relevant. And to expand on this: Sakura did work and travel and hang out with Sasuke during part I. They also knew each other since they were kids. She was the only one who realized how badly he was tempted by Oro's promises. Kakashi and Naruto thought that Sasuke would get over it. Sakura was the only one in Konoha who realized that Sasuke was leaving. She knew he would and waited for him by the road. She also recognised long before Naruto how far Sasuke had gone and was willing to kill him because of it. Sakura doesn't know Sasuke? Sure...

I wouldn't say she doesn't know Sasuke, but she knows and trust Naruto more than Sasuke. That's pretty much given and I'm not being biased. She did tell Naruto that Sasuke is on the verge to choose vengeance over friends, which led to Naruto to cheer her up which brought her smile. I think it was meant to be stalled because not only it was hurting Sakura a lot, but once we got to that Rescue Sasuke arc, it makes sense for Naruto to know now because he is the one that bonded with him the most. So hearing that is a shocker and he didn't want Sasuke to be evil, just a friendly love-hate rival. So yeah, plus Sakura broke the trust with Sasuke to not to tell Naruto about it. So there you have it. She knows both, but the experience is all coming from Naruto since part 2 started though its possible much back then but I have to recap.

[Turson]

Moonstar! It's Illusive from MF.

Btw, I will lol hard if next chapter Naruto goes running around holding everyones hand to give them Kurama's chakra just like he did Kakashi and Hinata.

Naruto didnt hold Hinatas hand in order to give her chakra, at least it wasnt his main purpose, as he cant give people chakra by himself, only Kurama can do that. Who knows, maybe he will switch with Kurama in order to give Hinata some chakra, but I doubt that.

[MoonStar]

Moonstar! It's Illusive from MF.

Btw, I will lol hard if next chapter Naruto goes running around holding everyones hand to give them Kurama's chakra just like he did Kakashi and Hinata.

Bro! My idiot self has been reading all your post without even looking at your name. HalfSarStudios is also you Youtube account so I'd have realized. Anyway, I'd like to minimize the NH implications too but I'm too negative to do that. Especially when we've been on the receiving end of having our pairing repeatedly slammed. I don't have the faith in Kishi to do anything with Sakura let alone NS after this war. Even though Sakura deserves good development after being subjected to so much self-destruction. If I didn't know any better I'd say he created Sakura with the intention of being disliked.

[HalfStarStudios]

Naruto didnt hold Hinatas hand in order to give her chakra, at least it wasnt his main purpose, as he cant give people chakra by himself, only Kurama can do that. Who knows, maybe he will switch with Kurama in order to give Hinata some chakra, but I doubt that.

Oh really? So how come Hinata was getting Kurama's chakra pumped into her(Giggity) in the last page if Naruto is unable to do it?

Bro! My idiot self has been reading all your post without even looking at your name. HalfSarStudios is also you Youtube account so I'd have realized. Anyway, I'd like to minimize the NH implications too but I'm too negative to do that. Especially when we've been on the receiving end of having our pairing repeatedly slammed. I don't have the faith in Kishi to do anything with Sakura let alone NS after this war. Even though Sakura deserves good development after being subjected to so much self-destruction. If I didn't know any better I'd say he created Sakura with the intention of being disliked.

I'm with you on that. Though there's still that little side of me that has some hope.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 29 December 2012 - 06:15 PM.

[Arachnia]

Good point. I do wonder if Naruto will get the story of Obito from him or Kakashi. It would seem he will get it from him saying that he will listen to his story later. After all, Kakashi is his Sensei, so it will be ok to learn something about the past, especially the way Kakashi taught is Obito's style (the trash speech). We got to see how it will go down soon. Obito is fighting once again since Killer Bee strikes back. Everyone is focusing on the fight since Killer Bee attack, so I don't know if everyone in the field saw Naruto holding Hinata's hand. Obito probably lost focus at this point which Naruto will strike and probably cause Obito more furious since Naruto is still stable. The upcoming chapters are crucial as I said in my previous post. What Obito needs now is to see someone healing Naruto with medic skill (of course). That will trigger it. It's funny to note that Naruto didn't have that "only to my love" smile on with Hinata, and you can't say "Well he don't have time." After all, he did worry her before she has to pep talk. That's why a follow up is needed.

TBH i think naruto wil get the story from madara laughting once obito is defeated madara saying that obito was just hes tool and a fool something like that

[Turson]

Oh really? So how come Hinata was getting Kurama's chakra pumped into her(Giggity) in the last page if Naruto is unable to do it?

Yeah, really. -> http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/609/13
As for the bolded par: how did you get the idea? Just becuase Hinata was surrounded by Narutos chakra shroud doesnt mean that he gave her some chakra. He didnt, becuase he cant do that, not by himself. Going by this logic Kakashi and Gai should receive a sh*tload of chakra when Naruto placed them within his full Bijuu form in 571.

Edited by Turson, 29 December 2012 - 06:19 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I wouldn't say she doesn't know Sasuke, but she knows and trust Naruto more than Sasuke. That's pretty much given and I'm not being biased. She did tell Naruto that Sasuke is on the verge to choose vengeance over friends, which led to Naruto to cheer her up which brought her smile. I think it was meant to be stalled because not only it was hurting Sakura a lot, but once we got to that Rescue Sasuke arc, it makes sense for Naruto to know now because he is the one that bonded with him the most. So hearing that is a shocker and he didn't want Sasuke to be evil, just a friendly love-hate rival. So yeah, plus Sakura broke the trust with Sasuke to not to tell Naruto about it. So there you have it. She knows both, but the experience is all coming from Naruto since part 2 started though its possible much back then but I have to recap.

Trusts Naruto more, sure. Knows him more? Debatable, but possible, I'd say. She has spent time with them both, nowadays more with Naruto. My opinion is that Sakura did know Sasuke well enough to love him. I think this is backed by the manga and I gave a few examples. (She broke the trust with Sasuke to help him. She also plotted to kill him, again to help him. Naruto's bond with Sasuke is definitely deeper than the bond between Sasuke and Sakura. It is also deeper than bond between Naruto and Sakura, so SS and NS are sort of equal in this matter.)

[HalfStarStudios]

Yeah, really. -> http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/609/13
As for the bolded par: how did you get the idea? Just becuase Hinata was surrounded by Narutos chakra shroud doesnt mean that he gave her some chakra. He didnt, becuase he cant do that, not by himself.

Kurama also said that Naruto will be able to do it by himself too, he would just have to show him.

[Turson]

Kurama also said that Naruto will be able to do it by himself too, he would just have to show him.

But he didnt, not yet.

[MoonStar]

Oh really? So how come Hinata was getting Kurama's chakra pumped into her(Giggity) in the last page if Naruto is unable to do it?

I'm with you on that. Though there's still that little side of me that has some hope.

If anything, the recent chapter proved to me that our pairing is still the best of the three possible outcomes because of how rushed and nonsensical NH was, and how facepalm-worthy SS will be. NH had to come to fruition through Neji dying. Sakura's character, Naruto and the general story involving Sasuke would have benefited from NS being canon. NH is just a contrived, give everyone a girl ending. She's Naruto's Ginny Weasley.

Edited by MoonStar, 29 December 2012 - 06:24 PM.

[Qia]

Naruto didnt hold Hinatas hand in order to give her chakra, at least it wasnt his main purpose, as he cant give people chakra by himself, only Kurama can do that. Who knows, maybe he will switch with Kurama in order to give Hinata some chakra, but I doubt that.

Yea but Kurama had reminded him that he was still there, so at that point he would have been ready again. Therefore, that hand holding's purpose could still be to pass on chakra since the discussion with Kurama happened before then. So it's like a "I'm ready again. Let's go" moment.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Trusts Naruto more, sure. Knows him more? Debatable, but possible, I'd say. She has spent time with them both, nowadays more with Naruto. My opinion is that Sakura did know Sasuke well enough to love him. I think this is backed by the manga and I gave a few examples. (She broke the trust with Sasuke to help him. She also plotted to kill him, again to help him. Naruto's bond with Sasuke is definitely deeper than the bond between Sasuke and Sakura. It is also deeper than bond between Naruto and Sakura, so SS and NS are sort of equal in this matter.)

Nope, because Sasuke managed to kill Sakura without any hesitation, so nope Sakura bond with Sasuke only, but i dont think Sasuke's bond with Sakura is there.
He does not see her as a special.

About plotting to kill her to help him?
Oh rly you should know that she went there alone and had a thought of going on with him.
Naruto knew that Sasuke would kill Sakura or his friends but no she wanst aware of this.

Does it mean she knows him?
If she knew why she get surprised when Sasuke went deeper on the darkness, Naruto knew a lot of things about revenge, and he said it after defeating Pain, while Sakura not.
Sakura has a bond with sasuke but sasuke does not have.
He even hesitated to kill Naruto, saying that he did not kill him for caprice.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 06:29 PM.

[Turson]

Yea but Kurama had reminded him that he was still there, so at that point he would have been ready again. Therefore, that hand holding's purpose could still be to pass on chakra since the discussion with Kurama happened before then. So it's like a "I'm ready again. Let's go" moment.

Even though Naruto could hold Hinatas hand also in order to give her some chakra at the beginning of next chapter, its clear as sunshine that it wasnt his main purpose.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

If anything, the recent chapter proved to me that our pairing is still the best of the three possible outcomes because of how rushed and nonsensical NH was, and how facepalm-worthy SS will be.

"Will be canon" is different from "should be canon" is different from "bad canon", though. SS and NH can all suck ass, and yet become canon anyway. Quality of a pairing does not guarantee its canon.

NH had to come to fruition through Neji dying.

So Tsunade shouldn't die with "Sakura, Naruto is a good man, pick him" as her last words after all?

he general story involving Sasuke would have benefited from NS being canon.

Could you tell how? I've been trying to think on this but can't come up with any reasons for this.

i dont think Sasuke's bond with Sakura is there.
He does not see her as a special.

They had a bond, then it broke. She is not anything special to him, yet.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 06:32 PM.

[Qia]

Even though Naruto could hold Hinatas hand also in order to give her some chakra at the beginning of next chapter, its clear as sunshine that it wasnt his main purpose.

How exactly is that clear?

Edit: To me, we won't know for sure what the purpose was until next chapter. If he lets go of her hand, then it could be that he just gave her some of his chakra. If he doesn't, then hurray hurrah

Edited by Qia, 29 December 2012 - 06:42 PM.