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[Chatte]

This quote here remembered me about the whole Hinata deserves Naruto comment.



And in the same time remembered me about how Naruto cherishes Sakura and just appreciates her and lets her be...

Edited by Chatte, 16 February 2013 - 02:53 PM.

[redragon88]

Well the thread of about the discussion of NaruHina being more likely got closed. It makes sense given that this thread is an appropriate place for that topic.

I want to further continue the discussion with the last topic:

http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=438637

I really agree with this, but I want to hear other people's opinions. To me it seems Hinata already understands that Naruto will never see her in a romantic way but that she'll do everything she can to be of help. Hence chapter 615.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well the thread of about the discussion of NaruHina being more likely got closed. It makes sense given that this thread is an appropriate place for that topic.

I want to further continue the discussion with the last topic:

http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=438637

I really agree with this, but I want to hear other people's opinions. To me it seems Hinata already understands that Naruto will never see her in a romantic way but that she'll do everything she can to be of help. Hence chapter 615.

I second this. I'm surprised that there hasn't been anything love related. Granted, you may say "Well, what about hand holding?" The thing is that I feel that she just want to acknowledge that she has officially grown up and can do stuff on her own. She got to the point she can't really develop further. Does she likes the guy? Sure. Is she pushing it? I don't think so. Nobody acknowledge her love to be something to keep eye on. I feel that we are making a mistake, but we are not sure. That's fine. After all, it will take the maker himself to tell us, much like others. The fact people doesn't really trying to push it further in anime/movie/etc. somewhat tells you. You can have fun with it by all means but can't develop it into a real thing.

[Rozette]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before, and I apologize if it was, but while looking through one of the threads, I had a thought regarding Sakura's thoughts on the way to the battlefield. Many people have regarded what she said as non-romantic, however I'd like to focus on the underlined text:



"...But no matter what you say this time... we're going to be together..."

This could be interpreted as no matter what he says to try and shoulder everything on his own, they are going to be together, or... no matter what he says this time (regarding his reaction to Sakura's confession), they are going to be together.

I feel that equally they could both be what Sakura means. However, what are your thoughts on this?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before, and I apologize if it was, but while looking through one of the threads, I had a thought regarding Sakura's thoughts on the way to the battlefield. Many people have regarded what she said as non-romantic, however I'd like to focus on the underlined text:



"...But no matter what you say this time... we're going to be together..."

This could be interpreted as no matter what he says to try and shoulder everything on his own, they are going to be together, or... no matter what he says this time (regarding his reaction to Sakura's confession), they are going to be together.

I feel that equally they could both be what Sakura means. However, what are your thoughts on this?

Yeah, we are talking about that now in matter of fact.

Hard to say if what she said is romantic, but even so, she vowed to work together. The timing couldn't be any better since we are dealing with Obito. Anyway, the another thing is their interaction is inevitable and Sakura can perhaps see a new light from Naruto by being together with him. If you noticed, they haven't been tag team in a while, especially after Yamato told her what really matters to Naruto. Now, this could mean we are seeing it in test.

[luffyq1]

Well the thread of about the discussion of NaruHina being more likely got closed. It makes sense given that this thread is an appropriate place for that topic.

I want to further continue the discussion with the last topic:

http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=438637

I really agree with this, but I want to hear other people's opinions. To me it seems Hinata already understands that Naruto will never see her in a romantic way but that she'll do everything she can to be of help. Hence chapter 615.

I want to agree with the original post, but I can't, because right after she says that she fellows up with this "Next time, I'll be next to you, holding your hand... Walking with you! Wait for me!!"

My interpretation would have definitely reached your agreement, have it not been for Hinata's fellow up after that statement. Sorry, mate.

[HauntedCake]

Well the thread of about the discussion of NaruHina being more likely got closed. It makes sense given that this thread is an appropriate place for that topic.

I want to further continue the discussion with the last topic:

http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=438637

I really agree with this, but I want to hear other people's opinions. To me it seems Hinata already understands that Naruto will never see her in a romantic way but that she'll do everything she can to be of help. Hence chapter 615.

Yeah i'm gonna disagree with the last post on that thread. He showed this pic saying that hinata was going to stop going after Naruto which to be fair is just not what she meant.

Why? because Hinata has "loved" and seeked Narutos affections since part 1. Saying Hinata is going to give up on is a little too optomistic. This makes me think about Sakura feelings to Sasuke a little bit. Hinata's love for Naruto and Sakuras "love" for Sasuke are very similar (if not the same) for Hinata's and Sakura's side. Plus the image below is the next page after that one which well.. you read it for yourself. IMO it doesn't show her giving up on Naruto at all. Thoughts???

However they are completely different circumstances on the other side (Naruto and Sasuke), where Naruto doesn't see it as romantic and Sasuke has basically spat in her face and laughed. Another little thought that came across my mind was that why would kishi bother putting all this interaction between Hinata and Naruto as well as all of these "moments" like the pain arc confession and 615 if he has NS in the endgame?. It makes no sense..



Here she clearly shows that she isn't giving up on naruto but rather that she won't keep her feelings for him locked away. Anyway i would love to hear your thoughts on this.

PS. I always seem to be a big anti NS but i swear i love NS.

@luffyq1 - lol you just summed up what i said here in 1 sentence.... Damn you!!

1 more thing. After/if they kill Madara/Obito, Hinata is most likely gonna fully confess to Naruto and ask him if he loves her. Does Hinata know that Naruto loves Sakura? otherwise is Naruto the type of guy to break Hinata's heart when he knows full well how that feels through Sakura's love for Sasuke.

Edited by HauntedCake, 16 February 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[redragon88]

I want to agree with the original post, but I can't, because right after she says that she fellows up with this "Next time, I'll be next to you, holding your hand... Walking with you! Wait for me!!"

My interpretation would have definitely reached your agreement, have it not been for Hinata's fellow up after that statement. Sorry, mate.

Why is it an issue that she said that? It goes perfectly with what happened in 615.

Hinata says that she'll stop chasing him after the war, but that right now in this final fight she'll be next to him while holding his hand as a symbol of support. If she's still going to pursue Naruto then there's no point in making her say she'll stop chasing him. Just think about it for a second from another perspective.

If Hinata has no intention of pursing Naruto and yet feels confident he'll definitely fall for her then that really makes Hinata to be really pretentious and full of herself. That sounds more like AU Hinata.

I do wonder sometimes if thanks to the pairing community influencing our view that we take out of proportion everything that Hinata does. I personally didn't think it was a big deal when Hinata confessed, but apparently the fandom basically had a heart attack when it happened. I wouldn't really know since I wasn't involved in it at the time.

@HauntedCake

My response to your post is basically the same I gave Luffyq1. Hinata saying she'll stop pursuing Naruto and yet still keep at it is a contradiction. I don't think Kishi is doing that just for the lols.

Edited by redragon88, 16 February 2013 - 08:58 PM.

[narusaku4ver]

I want to agree with the original post, but I can't, because right after she says that she fellows up with this "Next time, I'll be next to you, holding your hand... Walking with you! Wait for me!!"

My interpretation would have definitely reached your agreement, have it not been for Hinata's fellow up after that statement. Sorry, mate.

it's incrible that people want to downplay an obvious romantic statement my interpretation is that she wants to do it romantic but kishi give 615 not being romantic.
For me the whole speech just show a downside for her character while everyone wants to support Naruto she do the same but with romantic intentions proof of this is that even Ino and Sakura also vowed the same but is not forcing it.
While Hinata is, who cares about my clan? i must be close to Naruto.

613 and 617.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 16 February 2013 - 09:07 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Hinata says that she'll stop chasing him after the war, but that right now in this final fight she'll be next to him while holding his hand as a symbol of support. If she's still going to pursue Naruto then there's no point in making her say she'll stop chasing him. Just think about it for a second from another perspective.

I don't agree with that. I'm not saying you haven't but imo, if you read both pages i think kishi is trying to say that she isn't just going to hide her feeling from him anymore. That she is going to fully support him out in the open much like Sakura does, instead of being how Hinata usually is (Hiding the the shadows, secretly supporting him)

There are a few perspectives we can read those pages from and all are right and wrong. Thats just My opinion anyway.

[luffyq1]

Why is it an issue that she said that? It goes perfectly with what happened in 615.

Hinata says that she'll stop chasing him after the war, but that right now in this final fight she'll be next to him while holding his hand as a symbol of support. If she's still going to pursue Naruto then there's no point in making her say she'll stop chasing him. Just think about it for a second from another perspective.

If Hinata has no intention of pursing Naruto and yet feels confident he'll definitely fall for her then that really makes Hinata to be really pretentious and full of herself. That sounds more like AU Hinata.

I do wonder sometimes if thanks to the pairing community influencing our view that we take out of proportion everything that Hinata does. I personally didn't think it was a big deal when Hinata confessed, but apparently the fandom basically had a heart attack when it happened. I wouldn't really know since I wasn't involved in it at the time.

@HauntedCake

My response to your post is basically the same I gave Luffyq1. Hinata saying she'll stop pursuing Naruto and yet still keep at it is a contradiction. I don't think Kishi is doing that just for the lols.

But her claim of not chasing him is conflicting with her fellow up in her speech. So, that too, is also a contradiction. I'm going to go with the latter of her speech, and I'm going to do that based on her ongoing love for him, since there is no evidence to suggest that she wants to stop loving him. Is it really that hard for you to swallow the idea of Hinata simply wanting to pursue a romantic relationship with Naruto?

Edited by luffyq1, 16 February 2013 - 09:13 PM.

[narusaku4ver]

I don't agree with that. I'm not saying you haven't but imo, if you read both pages i think kishi is trying to say that she isn't just going to hide her feeling from him anymore. That she is going to fully support him out in the open much like Sakura does, instead of being how Hinata usually is (Hiding the the shadows, secretly supporting him)

There are a few perspectives we can read those pages from and all are right and wrong. Thats just My opinion anyway.

I respect your opinion but i'll also disagree you forgot that on 540, when Naruto saved Hinata, Naruto said that she was strong, and she was thinking i was "always chasing him" the chasing him is that she wanted to become stronger because she wanted to protect Naruto and she "failed" this whole chasing was totally off-panel and retarded, because if she was chasing Naruto why she didnt surpassed Neji and also why she didnt really got stronger?
Not she "hiding her feelings from him" because in case your forgot she said i love you on Pain's arc.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 16 February 2013 - 09:12 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think the problems are two things:

1) Interactions between two different genders equals romance. Sometimes, that's our minds fault to think that way. This is why I am neutral to the whole thing until further notice. Their interactions has been friendly, does it need to be love? No, same goes for NaruSaku and I like that because it's not forced. Here's the thing: the first interaction is when Naruto rescuing everyone. Naruto and Hinata hasn't talked to each other until that point. Remember when Naruto interacted with Konohamaru? He acknowledged his bravery and getting stronger. Hinata was in pending until that moment. Otherwise, wouldn't it be sad if Konohamaru is the only one to get feedback and not Hinata. Lastly, the recent one. Kishi promised for everyone to shine. She needs her and she finally got it close because she has proved that she has confidence around Naruto, let alone getting to hold his hand. People made it sound like they interact normally like NaruSaku which is not even true. I mean I can dare someone to give me 3 right now. Normal chat, no purpose of development.

2) Because one is in love. I understand this, but what's love when one is not interested nor got backups to be interpreted as one. The hug is the fine example of this because Naruto already loves Sakura, so when Sakura gave him a hug, it was shocking because she's being claimed "Not a lover." The big support is the surroundings, they made it into a romance intention and Naruto's confused face tells it. Not to mention, this actually happened in another manga (starts with K, someone in NF spoke about it) and guess what, they are couple in the end. Hinata is literally one sided. Yes, Naruto talks back, but no romance is being presented.

Don't worry, I believe you as a NS fan, but I do think others should lighten up. I know we're playing safe, but at the same time, we're making NH canon without being it. Now I think about it, in recent event in this thread, we were talking about other mangas and Bleach was one of them. There was an interview that declared that IchiRuki are close friends but not potential lovers. He clearly said it. So why Kishi keeps us hanging rather than just say "Naruto and Sakura are good friends, but they're not really made to be lovers. They reached their point. As for Sasuke, well she does love him so that's a potential romance." You may say "He needs fans to keep interested," but to be honest, I doubt that a lot. People would still be interested and make them hope to see if that person changed his/her mind. In short, patient, because good will come and it will erase the damage in a blink of an eye.

[narusaku4ver]

I think the problems are two things:

1) Interactions between two different genders equals romance. Sometimes, that's our minds fault to think that way. This is why I am neutral to the whole thing until further notice. Their interactions has been friendly, does it need to be love? No, same goes for NaruSaku and I like that because it's not forced. Here's the thing: the first interaction is when Naruto rescuing everyone. Naruto and Hinata hasn't talked to each other until that point. Remember when Naruto interacted with Konohamaru? He acknowledged his bravery and getting stronger. Hinata was in pending until that moment. Otherwise, wouldn't it be sad if Konohamaru is the only one to get feedback and not Hinata. Lastly, the recent one. Kishi promised for everyone to shine. She needs her and she finally got it close because she has proved that she has confidence around Naruto, let alone getting to hold his hand. People made it sound like they interact normally like NaruSaku which is not even true. I mean I can dare someone to give me 3 right now. Normal chat, no purpose of development.

2) Because one is in love. I understand this, but what's love when one is not interested nor got backups to be interpreted as one. The hug is the fine example of this because Naruto already loves Sakura, so when Sakura gave him a hug, it was shocking because she's being claimed "Not a lover." The big support is the surroundings, they made it into a romance intention and Naruto's confused face tells it. Not to mention, this actually happened in another manga (starts with K, someone in NF spoke about it) and guess what, they are couple in the end. Hinata is literally one sided. Yes, Naruto talks back, but no romance is being presented.

Don't worry, I believe you as a NS fan, but I do think others should lighten up. I know we're playing safe, but at the same time, we're making NH canon without being it. Now I think about it, in recent event in this thread, we were talking about other mangas and Bleach was one of them. There was an interview that declared that IchiRuki are close friends but not potential lovers. He clearly said it. So why Kishi keeps us hanging rather than just say "Naruto and Sakura are good friends, but they're not really made to be lovers. They reached their point. As for Sasuke, well she does love him so that's a potential romance." You may say "He needs fans to keep interested," but to be honest, I doubt that a lot. People would still be interested and make them hope to see if that person changed his/her mind. In short, patient, because good will come and it will erase the damage in a blink of an eye.

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[T XD]

@reddragon88: You took the words right out of my mouth.

I don't agree with that. I'm not saying you haven't but imo, if you read both pages i think kishi is trying to say that she isn't just going to hide her feeling from him anymore. That she is going to fully support him out in the open much like Sakura does, instead of being how Hinata usually is (Hiding the the shadows, secretly supporting him)

There are a few perspectives we can read those pages from and all are right and wrong. Thats just My opinion anyway.

Yes, she isn't going to hide her feelings cause it won't just go away with just a snap, and, of course, she'll always support him.

We are shown that Hinata is beginning to move on, not hiding away from Naruto like she used to. Opening up in that way doesn't mean she'll push him to love her back.

Basically, you just said it in this post of yours XD

Edited by T XD, 16 February 2013 - 09:33 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

???

Lol. I said anime/manga. Crap, now I have to ask. Lol.

[narusaku4ver]

@reddragon88: You took the words right out of my mouth.


Yes, she isn't going to hide her feelings cause it won't just go away with just a snap, and, of course, she'll always support him.

We are shown that Hinata is beginning to move on, not hiding away form Naruto like she used to. Opening up in that way doesn't mean she'll push him to love her back.

Basically, you just said it in this post of yours XD

http://i32.mangaread...uto-2717501.jpg

the person i want to protect the most...
always end up being protected in the end.
I guess i'm really no good.

I hope it helps to clarify the whole "chasing" stuff.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 16 February 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[redragon88]

I don't agree with that. I'm not saying you haven't but imo, if you read both pages i think kishi is trying to say that she isn't just going to hide her feeling from him anymore. That she is going to fully support him out in the open much like Sakura does, instead of being how Hinata usually is (Hiding the the shadows, secretly supporting him)

There are a few perspectives we can read those pages from and all are right and wrong. Thats just My opinion anyway.

If you're under the impression that Hinata will most definitely start pushing her feelings onto Naruto then it's obvious you would come towards that conclusion and interpretation. But if you believe that Hinata might finally understand that Naruto doesn't see in a romantic manner then you would come to the conclusion I've proposed.

Opinion of those panels depends highly on what you think will be the action of the characters in the future. It's the same for chapter 615. Since many people are under the believe that Naruto will inevitably start loving Hinata (even if that came from out of nowhere) they conclude that Naruto holding Hinata's hand is basically his way of proposing marriage to her.

Although in the end we could both be wrong and her words had nothing to do with romance. It could be that when she said chasing it was from her desire to be like him, but that after the war she'll find her own path and not depend on Naruto. And since she won't use Naruto as a crutch she'll be able to hold his hand and be an equal to him.

[luffyq1]

I just want to say that Hinata has no reason to stop loving Naruto. There is no evidence in the manga to support the idea of Hinata getting over Naruto, and that she feels threatened by Naruto being in love with Sakura or their close relationship. There's really no conflict when it comes to her love for Naruto.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 February 2013 - 09:28 PM.

[redragon88]

But her claim of not chasing him is conflicting with her fellow up in her speech. So, that too, is also a contradiction. I'm going to go with the latter of her speech, and I'm going to do that based on her ongoing love for him, since there is no evidence to suggest that she wants to stop loving him. Is it really that hard for you to swallow the idea of Hinata simply wanting to pursue a romantic relationship with Naruto?

So the question is: why on earth make Hinata say such a contradictory statement? It couldn't have been because Kishi thought is was a funny thing to do. Or maybe it was but I'll give him more credit then that.

It's not about Hinata stopping to love Naruto, it's about her coming to the conclusion that it's not something meant to be. But even then the only evidence would be her speech in 573 which even I'll admit could be wrong.

Of course is not hard to swallow the idea that she still wants Naruto to love her, that's easier to swallow than baby food. I'm just offering an idea to a possible scenario that I think could easily play out given Hinata's speech.