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#10541 sushi.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Feb 15 2013, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree, it's a very cute name! I like it a lot more than the alternative name (Shinchi... something or other).

I remember someone posting in the RTN thread that Naruto gets annoyed at everyone calling him Menma because he hates that ramen topping. He even gets mad at the guy running Ichiraku because he puts menma on Naruto's ramen. tongue.gif

But then there is Sakura who may not be fine with naming her child after food. laugh.gif

I've always liked Aiden. 121721.gif It means fire you know, a male readhead named Aiden. It's not a typical Japanese name, but you have Aizen in Bleach, so I guess it's not too farfetched. XD

Speaking of Bleach, I like both Orihime and Rukia xIchigo. If I had to choose, so far it would be Rukia, but it seems like Kubo is going for Orihime. Btw- I've only watched like thirty episodes so far. :'3 Orihime is better than Hinata, at least she can pronounce Ichigo's name, I've never been a fan of cute shy anime girls. I like Orihime's bubbly personality, but I like Rukia more. Doesn't mean I ship her with Ichigo. It doesn't look like Ichigo is in love with anyone so far though.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:47 PM

Does anyone here understand Japanese?! if yes... can you tell me what they are talking about in this fanart?! wasntme.png

http://tegaki.pipa.j...4/21828091.html

This is first HashiMitoMada tegaki fanart that I saw after we found out more about Hashirama's personality and I'm dying to know how they are portraying Mito here. arg.gif

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Feb 15 2013, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In bleach, IchiRuki has the upper hand. I see it happening. IchiHime is one sided.


How does Ichiruki have the upper hand when both characters have shown absolutely no signs that they have romantic feelings for one another?
As a Ichihime fan, I will tell you that I love Ichigo & Rukia's relationship. But as far as romance goes between them? Well they haven't gotten there, and I believe that their relationship wasn't meant to be that of lovers. Kubo said that there is no romance between them, he also says that they're ""More than friends, less than lovers." Why have Orihime still harbor strong feelings for Ichigo, and have Ichigo & Rukia end up together, especially considering the fact that this is the last arc of Beach? This is why I believe no pairing will happen in Bleach. This is the last arc, and Ichigo has not shown any romantic feelings for Rukia or Orihime.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:52 PM

@Tsubaki

I don't know japanese but from the expressions it seems they're portraying Mito as a dignified yet stern woman. She also seems to have a cheerful side.

She seems like a more mature version of Sakura if you ask me. biggrin.gif

Although I think that if we ever see Mito in the real flashbacks she'll have a little more fire in her considering her Uzumaki heritage.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:56 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Feb 15 2013, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How does Ichiruki have the upper hand when both characters have shown absolutely no signs that they have romantic feelings for one another?
As a Ichihime fan, I will tell you that I love Ichigo & Rukia's relationship. But as far as romance goes between them? Well they haven't gotten there, and I believe that their relationship wasn't meant to be that of lovers. Kubo said that there is no romance between them, he also says that they're ""More than friends, less than lovers." Why have Orihime still harbor strong feelings for Ichigo, and have Ichigo & Rukia end up together, especially considering the fact that this is the last arc of Beach? This is why I believe no pairing will happen in Bleach. This is the last arc, and Ichigo has not shown any romantic feelings for Rukia or Orihime.

This.

I think what sealed the deal is that Rangiku stated that Ichigo needs both of them as his support. To me, that would mean that Ichigo just don't see anyone as lovers but great friends. But who knows. At least the manga didn't start off with the main protoganist being in love. Otherwise, it's more effective when there's no canon pairing. Btw, where you get that interview from?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:00 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Feb 15 2013, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone here understand Japanese?! if yes... can you tell me what they are talking about in this fanart?! wasntme.png

http://tegaki.pipa.j...4/21828091.html

This is first HashiMitoMada tegaki fanart that I saw after we found out more about Hashirama's personality and I'm dying to know how they are portraying Mito here. arg.gif


That mito is too polite to me. Anyway she isn't shy here at least...

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:06 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Feb 15 2013, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone here understand Japanese?! if yes... can you tell me what they are talking about in this fanart?! wasntme.png

http://tegaki.pipa.j...4/21828091.html

This is first HashiMitoMada tegaki fanart that I saw after we found out more about Hashirama's personality and I'm dying to know how they are portraying Mito here. arg.gif

Why does this matter? Aren't they just guessing Mito's personality?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:12 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 15 2013, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That mito is too polite to me. Anyway she isn't shy here at least...

That misconception about personalities is something I'm loving of Kishi right now. I think he's using the first generation to give point to never judging a book by their cover.

We though Hashirama would be this cool dignified guy, nope, he turns out to be some happy carefree guy.

We thought that Tobirama was this good natured loving guy, nope, he turns out to be a strict law enforcing guy.

We think Mito is this polite dignified lady, then it turns out she has a quick temper.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:12 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 16 2013, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That mito is too polite to me. Anyway she isn't shy here at least...

The marriage between her and Hashirama was arranged, and it was the old days after all. I guess that's why she was polite and Hashirama didn't do anything stupid, but to me she just looks very formal. Until they're alone. ninja.gif

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 16 2013, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This.

I think what sealed the deal is that Rangiku stated that Ichigo needs both of them as his support. To me, that would mean that Ichigo just don't see anyone as lovers but great friends. But who knows. At least the manga didn't start off with the main protoganist being in love. Otherwise, it's more effective when there's no canon pairing. Btw, where you get that interview from?


That scene will forever remained ingrained in my brain. He doesn't value one girl over the other. And that interview can be found just about everywhere.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:43 AM

Remember Mito's words to Kushina when she found out that he would be the new Jinchuuriki?
She said: Ultimately, we were brought here to become the vessel of Kyuubi...But before the beast can be housed... We must fill the vessel with love."

To me those words sounds just like they were based on her live experience.

As told you, in that time it was a tradition to give your daughter away for political affairs. Kushina told to Naruto that the Clan Uzumaki and the clan Senju made an agreement. Maybe Hashirama ask for leader uzumaki's daugher's hand in marriage in order to seal that agreement. In that agreement it was considered that Mito would been the first Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi. At the beginning she was angry and sad because he felt like she was a weapon for Konoha. But by spending some years in konoha along Hashirama, she'll change her idea about Hashirama and will fall in love with him. Meanwhile, Madara find the Kyuubi and he uses him to attack Konoha.

I find very suspicious that mito said "we were brought here to become the vessel of Kyuubi"

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:00 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Feb 15 2013, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That scene will forever remained ingrained in my brain. He doesn't value one girl over the other. And that interview can be found just about everywhere.



Definitely agree. Sure, he connected with Rukia faster, but it was definitely a gradual progression with Orihime. It seems like in each arc, Kubo gives them or Orihime so extraordinary scene. In the FB arc for instance when she doesn't understand why she's hurting so much while under the control of Tsukishima. That was definitely incredible, and the Grimmjov fight as well. Definitely one of the best relations in Bleach in its own way. biggrin.gif

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:12 AM

okey if only girls were choosen before then why minato choosed naruto?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:13 AM

QUOTE (narulsaku @ Feb 15 2013, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
okey if only girls were choosen before then why minato choosed naruto?


Because Naruto can't get pregnant... or can he?? dry.gif LMAO

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:24 AM

@striderC :: lol.
so my real question is was there really an agreement like that?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:51 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Feb 16 2013, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How does Ichiruki have the upper hand when both characters have shown absolutely no signs that they have romantic feelings for one another?
As a Ichihime fan, I will tell you that I love Ichigo & Rukia's relationship. But as far as romance goes between them? Well they haven't gotten there, and I believe that their relationship wasn't meant to be that of lovers. Kubo said that there is no romance between them, he also says that they're ""More than friends, less than lovers." Why have Orihime still harbor strong feelings for Ichigo, and have Ichigo & Rukia end up together, especially considering the fact that this is the last arc of Beach? This is why I believe no pairing will happen in Bleach. This is the last arc, and Ichigo has not shown any romantic feelings for Rukia or Orihime.

I'll admit I'm not the biggest Bleach shipper, and while I hold IchiRuki as a preferred pairing (they got their very own movie like NaruSaku), I don't really care how the pairings end, if one even happens at all. Though had it ended with Aizen defeat, that final scene of Rukia fading was touching

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:11 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Feb 16 2013, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone here understand Japanese?! if yes... can you tell me what they are talking about in this fanart?! wasntme.png

http://tegaki.pipa.j...4/21828091.html

This is first HashiMitoMada tegaki fanart that I saw after we found out more about Hashirama's personality and I'm dying to know how they are portraying Mito here. arg.gif


Hmmm.... the Sakura trees makes me think Hashirama grew those on purpose with his Mokuton for Mito's arrival. Heh, totally reminds me of Natsu from FT when he uprooted that Sakura tree and later sent it to Lucy. If you consider Hashirama's personality, it wouldn't be surprising for him to do something like that.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:01 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 16 2013, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Remember Mito's words to Kushina when she found out that he would be the new Jinchuuriki?
She said: Ultimately, we were brought here to become the vessel of Kyuubi...But before the beast can be housed... We must fill the vessel with love."

To me those words sounds just like they were based on her live experience.

As told you, in that time it was a tradition to give your daughter away for political affairs. Kushina told to Naruto that the Clan Uzumaki and the clan Senju made an agreement. Maybe Hashirama ask for leader uzumaki's daugher's hand in marriage in order to seal that agreement. In that agreement it was considered that Mito would been the first Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi. At the beginning she was angry and sad because he felt like she was a weapon for Konoha. But by spending some years in konoha along Hashirama, she'll change her idea about Hashirama and will fall in love with him. Meanwhile, Madara find the Kyuubi and he uses him to attack Konoha.

I find very suspicious that mito said "we were brought here to become the vessel of Kyuubi"


OMG, this would totally enforce that thing, girl didn't like boy at the beginning, yet, in the end, after spending some time or doing something great, she gets in love with him.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:24 PM

I was wondering about the similarities that Obito has to Darth Vader, but I don't think Kishi simply copied the concept of Star Wars. Those themes have been existent long before the creation of Star Wars but thanks to it's huge popularity is seems most people like to associate it to those movies.

Obito, and Vader in the last film, are being portrayed to be tragic heros. The reason Obito gets so much hate, at least in the west, is because of people's tendency to be extremely critical of how characters are developed. It's the same situation that happens with Sakura. But I'll be clear, being critical is not a bad thing, it opens the doors to further discussion so I'm definitely not putting down people's opinions.

Putting extended criticism aside for a minute, when one thinks about it Obito was meant to be a character to be pitied on because he was the victim of circumstances beyond his control (Rin's death). It's the same sympathy people might've felt for Vader in the Return of the Jedi now that people knew he was previously a force of good who simply went wrong thanks to fate.

Obito is doing evil because of his desire to see Rin again and change the world's fate. Anakin got tempted by the dark side for his desire to change save Padme's life, therefore changing her fate. Again, we can argue for hours about the justification of their actions given the circumstances but that's not the point. The point is that both got dealt a bad cards in life.

Now Anakin finally found redemption by saving Luke, his son, which in turn finally allowed him to change fate. While he couldn't prevent the death of his wife he was able to save his son from suffering the same destiny. I don't know how many other stories have this same redemption concept but I believe is a standard created many centuries ago that Star Wars was simply inspired to use.

Given all that I've said I do believe that Obito is meant to finally have the change of redemption by saving someone's life. I'm not entirely sure as to who it might be but my gut is really telling me it'll probably be Sakura. I've mentioned in previous posts how I believe that Obito will come full circle by saving Sakura's life (which is this generation's Rin, that's too obvious).

It's a sort of lost life saved life kind of deal, it's a way to establish balance. A life is lost and then all goes to hell, then a life is saved and order is restored. There's also a connection with the life that is lost and the one that is saved. With Star Wars the connection is that Padme and Luke are Vader's family. With Naruto the connection comes from the parallel of their roles (the medic ninja that supports the hero while he loves her, yet she loves the rival).

We can also mention how both Obito and Anakin where influenced by a greater force of evil in the shape of Madara and Palpatine, and such manipulation is what lead them to take on their alter egos of Tobi and Vader. Also, they had a tendency to wear masks. tongue.gif

Vader saved Luke, who was an extension Padme, from Palpatine. That changed the dark fate that was established with Padme's death. And so I believe Obito will save Sakura, who is a reminder of Rin, from Madare. That will change the dark fate that was established with Rin's death. And as one might expect saving that life will cause the ultimate death of the tragic hero, who will die glad to have finally changed the course of destiny.

As for Madara dying by Obito's hand like it happened with Palpatine by Vader, well, I don't see any reactors around the battlefield to throw Madara in so I guess that reduces the chances. laugh.gif In all seriousness I do think instead of killing Madara that Obito will leave him in some sort of disadvantage as he dies.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:53 PM

@reddragon88: You have a point. Plus, this adaptation of redemption is very common and similar in many novels, manga, movies and such.
It's a way for Obito by saving a life of someone else that his redemption will begin. It's very possible. If Sakura was the one, probably she'll remind him of Rin and sees Naruto's desperation to save her, remembering the past, then Obito will be the one to save her knowing that he won't let something like this happen again, and won't let the chance walk away.

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Feb 16 2013, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone here understand Japanese?! if yes... can you tell me what they are talking about in this fanart?! wasntme.png

http://tegaki.pipa.j...4/21828091.html

This is first HashiMitoMada tegaki fanart that I saw after we found out more about Hashirama's personality and I'm dying to know how they are portraying Mito here. arg.gif

Mito here seems stern, thoughtful and smart ( her meeting with Madara). The Sakura trees meant something here. Plus, her expressions are very similar to Sakura's expressions.

There's two or three panels where she's sitting by the window, after meeting Hashirama, and how she seems frustrated and confused. It's exactly how Sakura is now that she doesn't realize her true love yet. Mito at the end in this tegaki seems that she has realized.

Edited by T XD, 16 February 2013 - 02:02 PM.





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