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[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

 

Saw this one youtube.. and this is a Hinata Fan. :) These are people that I can debate with.

 

(Read from bottom and go up.)

 

It's nice to see people who can like Hinata and not let that cloud their judgment, it's too bad I haven't come across many.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I sort of believe Naruto's reasons for hiding his feelings from Sakura are selflessness, insecurity, and fear (the third one subconsciously; I don't think he knows he feels like that). On some level, in the early stage of the Part 2 series, I understood why many fans believed he didn't love her because Naruto rarely ever showed he did. He covered it up with dates and flirting, and he made it look like a joke. On purpose. That's partly why some fans fell for it, he wasn't trying to make it obvious. I made a whole tumblr post about this recently.

 

There is no doubt his main reason for not being open with his feelings is because out of consideration for Sakura's. He doesn't want to force his affection on her anymore if she doesn't want it or loves someone else, that's what he promised himself at around the time of the PoaL. The problem was he became so sure of this, he eventually refused to allow himself to think any differently and you have his behavior in the confession when Sakura's being too blatantly obvious with her intentions to misinterpret it (A confession is big ... lie or not).That's one of his unresolved issues, actually IMO.

 

Yet, I think somewhere along the way post-PoaL Naruto developed insecurities of Sakura loving him the same and some sort of fear he hasn't realized he has. The insecurities is quite obviously her love for Sasuke, and he has extreme difficulty moving past the PoaL to actually entirely believe she loves him. That moment changed his maturity no question and it's touching, but it at the same time derailed his confidence. Naruto doesn't want to change his feelings and he's still hopeful, but you don't see him preaching Sakura can definitely love him someday if he tries hard enough. That's his approach to everything, is it not? Except her. Part I Naruto was more determined over this, and his chances with Part I Sakura were far more terrible than they are now. It's interesting how the PoaL was so significant to both Sakura and Naruto's personal life. I'm not trying to say it was a bad for them, it certainly moved both more in maturity.  But In some way, he did also have blows to his self-assurance. At least involving Sakura. I kind of hope she never finds that out because I feel like Sakura would start hating herself for the PoaL even more.

 

And yes, yes I do think there's fear on Naruto's front as well. Not that he's aware of it nor would he ever admit it if another character insinuated it, but I really do believe this based on his behavior throughout Part II. Particularly in the confession, and his outright rejection of the idea she loved him. It's just my opinion, but I feel Naruto's actually afraid of being with Sakura. As much as he loves he, he doesn't want to get his heart broken again like he did in the PoaL. That's why he ignores any sort of signals she gives him, not just his denseness (though that is there also, no question). He's afraid of getting too hopeful and too confident, only to be wrong and just feel that crushing pain again. That's what Part I Naruto went through, and that stayed with him subconsciously. So why is he so stubborn on Sakura loving Sasuke, not him? Why does he worry Sakura would only chose him 'cause he was there, and Sasuke left (hence why he slightly wants Sasuke back before confessing, though he mostly feels unworthy)? It all comes down to him being scared to take a leap, though he'd never admit it to himself.

 

I'm not trying to paint Naruto selfish by this, and it doesn't change the fact most of his actions for Sakura are out of selflessness. I just feel even though he wouldn't like he felt that way (the fear part), it gives him a more human quality. No matter how selfless he is, it's perfectly understandable he convinced himself of her not loving him now as a means to protect himself from that pain; it's also for Sakura too, though. If he didn't believe she loved him, Naruto would feel she deserves better than to be with him and not be happy. Neither of them would happy in his mind at the time of the confession. Sakura's heart wouldn't be in it and Naruto's heart would be too much in it. He would never have wanted that for herself or him, so I think from his POV, he rejected her love confession for both their sakes.

 

I feel Naruto's secret fear of being with Sakura even though he wouldn't admit it fits very well to his behavior to the villagers after the Pain Arc. He still blamed them on some level for his suffering as a child, even though he casted that idea aside because he didn't want to believe it. And then we have Dark Naruto in the Waterfall. I very much see his position with Sakura along the same vein considering not being entirely honest as to why he can't admit Sakura could be on her way to be falling in love with him.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 29 October 2013 - 12:48 AM.

[bthug]

Sup guys, been awhile. How is everyone?

 

Things kinda slow in the NS front huh? But the main plots moving along. Any NS predicitions?

[Branden]

Sup guys, been awhile. How is everyone?

 

Things kinda slow in the NS front huh? But the main plots moving along. Any NS predicitions?

Naruto just experienced what it's like to be Obito. That included Rin's death. Perhaps something related to Rin could happen.

[Qia]

And yes, yes I do think there's fear on Naruto's front as well. Not that he's aware of it nor would he ever admit it if another character insinuated it, but I really do believe this based on his behavior throughout Part II. Particularly in the confession, and his outright rejection of the idea she loved him. It's just my opinion, but I feel Naruto's actually afraid of being with Sakura. As much as he loves her, he doesn't want to get his heart broken again like he did in the PoaL. That's why he ignores any sort of signals she gives him, not just his denseness (though that is there also, no question). He's afraid of getting too hopeful and too confident, only to be wrong and just feel that crushing pain again. That's what Part I Naruto went through, and that stayed with him subconsciously. So why is he so stubborn on Sakura loving Sasuke, not him? Why does he worry Sakura would only chose him 'cause he was there, and Sasuke left (hence why he slightly wants Sasuke back before confessing, though he mostly feels unworthy)? It all comes down to him being scared to take a leap, though he'd never admit it to himself.

I only disagree with you on one thing and that's Naruto being afraid of being with Sakura and ignoring her signals. In my opinion, I don't think he's afraid and, thus, ignores the signals. He just doesn't see them because

1. he's unconscious (like the scene on the bridge between Sakura and Yamato)

2. he's not around to notice the looks she sends/ simply doesn't notice them ( like the time wayyy back in part 1 after Sasuke reveals that Naruto fought tooth and nail for her against Gaara and she sent that smile to him)

3. Interprets them in the "wrong" way (Like the time she was worried about him during the rescue Gaara arc, and he basically brushed it off. This one's a bit hard to explain because it's not like he doesn't know that she cares. He just isn't aware of how much she cares *insert bridge scene here once again*). 

 

And, as a result of all of this, you can't blame him for not believing her during her confession. The only thing he really knows for sure is how strongly she felt for Sasuke years ago, hence all those flashbacks he remembers before she hugs him.

Edited by Qia, 29 October 2013 - 01:17 PM.

[awesome sauce dude]

I saw a little bit of rin and Sakura similarities in this chapter. Rin appeared to be the first to support obitos dream of hokage like Sakura did with naruto. Also the scene where rin was healing obito on the bench reminded me of when Sakura was healing narutos arm in the hospital.

[咲耶姫]

I think we can all agree on the fact that Rin does look a lot like Sakura after ths chapter. I was really pleased to discover their similar personnality. 

What we knew until now was that they share a similar look, are both medic, in love with the cool guy. 

while now, we also know that they have the same personnality: Rin can be as scary to Obito as Sakura can be to Naruto and Rin seemed to be very protective of Obito's dream to be Hokage and we all know that Sakura cares deeply of Naruto's dream. 

I don't think that the parallel will be confirmed, but it is here, we can't deny it. 

 

Naruto and Obito are are like one and same person, the only difference is the path they choose. Naruto said once, that Sasuke and ha could have switch their place. Naruto could be the villain and Sasuke the one who fought him as the village's hero. Well Obito's there to illustrate it. He's that Naruto who could have been evil. And Kakashi is the Sasuke who could have been the hero. So, it's logical to say that Rin is the Sakura of the group. 

 

All the parallel in the story are about team 7:

-Jiraya/Tsunade/Orochimaru -> Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke

-Obito/Rin/Kakashi -> Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke

-Nagato/Konan/Yahiko -> Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke

-Hashirama/Madara -> Naruto/Sasuke

-Minato/Kushina -> Naruto/Sakura

(-Hashirama/Mito -> Naruto/Sakura) I'm not very sure about this one, but I only place it here, because Mito was involved in the HashiMada fight, so it seems like she was played a role in their relationship. Just like Sakura with Naruto/Sasuke relationship. 

So here, team 7 members are the only one being paralleled in the overall story.

[Phantom_999]

I only disagree with you on one thing and that's Naruto being afraid of being with Sakura and ignoring her signals. In my opinion, I don't think he's afraid and, thus, ignores the signals. He just doesn't see them because

1. he's unconscious (like the scene on the bridge between Sakura and Yamato)

2. he's not around to notice the looks she sends/ simply doesn't notice them ( like the time wayyy back in part 1 after Sasuke reveals that Naruto fought tooth and nail for her against Gaara and she sent that smile to him)

3. Interprets them in the "wrong" way (Like the time she was worried about him during the rescue Gaara arc, and he basically brushed it off. This one's a bit hard to explain because it's not like he doesn't know that she cares. He just isn't aware of how much she cares *insert bridge scene here once again*). 

 

And, as a result of all of this, you can't blame him for not believing her during her confession. The only thing he really knows for sure is how strongly she felt for Sasuke years ago, hence all those flashbacks he remembers before she hugs him.

 

I agree with this. Plus there was the fact that he was not rejecting her confession really, but the notion that Sasuke means nothing to her anymore. We have to see it From Naruto's pov.(because this can never be emphasized enough)  WASN'T It strange to Naruto that Sakura was crying a few days ago if not hours ago about Sasuke, then all of a sudden coming up to him and saying the exact opposite of what he feels, especially after he still calls Sasuke "friend"  even after hearing the news of Sasuke joining Akatsuki? He was weirded out by Sakura's change of attitude towards Sasuke, not himself (well actually maybe a little bit but i'll get to that later), because he always knew that She of all people understood how he felt about Sasuke and shared to those feelings of companionship with Sasuke generally, and also that they both had separate personal feelings for him too; as a brother and a love interest. If he was suspicious at all of her confession it is because there was no reason really for her to tell him that out of the blue since she would just saying that for no reason, unless she had something else to tell him as well. Remember, they were not in a position or time where confessing feelings or denouncing them would be a natural thing, and certainly Kiba, Sai, and Lee were assuming she was going to tell him about the decision to stop Sasuke.

 

There are those that say that she was manipulating Naruto, even some fellow NS fans although they say it was for Naruto's Benefit. I however say it is not manipulation, because I see the part about her not caring about Sasuke anymore as a subtle "You don't  have to concern yourself so much about my happiness"  because she felt so guilty about relying so much on him without even considering his own feelings, which was no different from using him even if it was unintentional. And the part with her confession is responding to his feelings and letting him know she feels the same way, but Naruto does not know that because he is not aware that Sai told her about his love for her. Now I'm not saying that this erases her love for Sasuke, because Sai stated she loves Sasuke still which is why she also wants to release him from the pain he has in himself and is also inflicting on others.

 

However Sai under no circumstances ever said Sakura's feelings for Naruto are false but rather that she is not there merely for the sake of confessing to him and telling him to forget about Sasuke like Naruto was assuming. Rather it could be said the timing was not right to tell him since the main issue was about Sasuke, which brings up the point about why she would say she feels nothing for him. If Sakura's confession seemed false, it was because it was executed at the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. If it was at a more less tense time like say for instance, she told him after the confrontation with Sasuke, it would be more believable. I 'd imagine it could go like this,

 

After the confrontation with Sasuke

 

Sakura: Naruto there's something that I want to tell you......

Naruto: What is it Sakura-chan?

Sakura: I....... Love you............

Naruto:  Huh? But..... I thought you love Sasuke?

Sakura: I can't say that I don't, but....... well....... Sai told me that you love me, and that your promise was because of your feelings.

Naruto: Sai did!? Ugghh... That meddling...

Sakura: It's okay..... Because that made me realize that it was always you who always tried to assure me and, and was there for me when I was upset....... I also realized that when you made the promise that you were the one who always knew how I felt, and  always saved me.......

Naruto: Sakura-chan............... 

Sakura: And I also realized that I never knew how much you suffered, how awful it was for you when you were young to be scorned by everyone. But you never gave up, and kept trying to save everyone even though they did not acknowledge you, That made me realize how strong you were, and kind...... even for someone like me who didn't realize how you felt, so that's why, I want you to know my feelings too..... Sasuke still is dear to me, no matter what, But I want you to know that I love you, Naruto........

 

See? The mood of things can affect how a conversation can go. It may not be convincing, what I wrote, but you see there was no pressure about Sasuke, no anxiety, because they confronted each other. So with the tension gone it is easier to be more honest. If there is one thing I know, it is that lying and miss-communication comes from pressure of the situation a lot of the time.

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 October 2013 - 03:01 AM.

[咲耶姫]

Naruto supports Sakura's feelings so much that when he saw she was lying to herself by stating she was over Sasuke, he became mad. He didn't even consider the possibility that she could love him at that time, he was only so protective of her feelings, just look at his reactions to Sai when he heard that she went to kill Sasuke. 

So, th most important thing in chapter 469 is not Sakura's feelings for Naruto but her feelings for Sasuke, because it was the beginning of her feelings vanishing.

Since Sasuke joined Akatsuki, Sakura'sfelings for him have not cease to decrease. And her confession to Naruto is the climax of that decrease. 

[Hanabi]

is the drawback of the yin / regeneration seal thought up by fans or is it explained in the manga? i meant the life shortening aspect. 

Edited by Hanabi, 29 October 2013 - 04:10 PM.

[sushi.]

I only disagree with you on one thing and that's Naruto being afraid of being with Sakura and ignoring her signals. In my opinion, I don't think he's afraid and, thus, ignores the signals. He just doesn't see them because

1. he's unconscious (like the scene on the bridge between Sakura and Yamato)

2. he's not around to notice the looks she sends/ simply doesn't notice them ( like the time wayyy back in part 1 after Sasuke reveals that Naruto fought tooth and nail for her against Gaara and she sent that smile to him)

3. Interprets them in the "wrong" way (Like the time she was worried about him during the rescue Gaara arc, and he basically brushed it off. This one's a bit hard to explain because it's not like he doesn't know that she cares. He just isn't aware of how much she cares *insert bridge scene here once again*). 

 

And, as a result of all of this, you can't blame him for not believing her during her confession. The only thing he really knows for sure is how strongly she felt for Sasuke years ago, hence all those flashbacks he remembers before she hugs him.

I agree with this, and unlike Sakura who had been notifiyed of the things Naruto did for her and what he felt, Sakura was not given this luxury.

 

But lets bring up the one time he actually saw her affection for him(remind me if there is another one before that). The hug. He definitely didn't except it. I mean who did, but that stunned and speechless face indicates(to me at least) that he was asking himself "is this really happening?". We didn't see his second reaction because everything went so fast and suddenly people were throwing him in the air. However I like to believe that he was thinking of it to himself later that night, something like "yeah...that felt good". headcanon ~~~~

[Dark_Nature]

is the drawback of the yin / regeneration seal thought up by fans or is it explained in the manga? i meant the life shortening aspect. 

 

Releasing it is not necessarily lethal. You're letting all the chakra out after-all. The main life shortening aspect is Creation rebirth and Strength of a thousand arms. These jutsu force cells to rapidly divide and regenerate entire organs at times. But it must also be noted cells can only divide a select number of time so excessive use of this technique is life shortening. 

[morgaine4]

I agree with this, and unlike Sakura who had been notifiyed of the things Naruto did for her and what he felt, Sakura was not given this luxury.

 

But lets bring up the one time he actually saw her affection for him(remind me if there is another one before that). The hug. He definitely didn't except it. I mean who did, but that stunned and speechless face indicates(to me at least) that he was asking himself "is this really happening?". We didn't see his second reaction because everything went so fast and suddenly people were throwing him in the air. However I like to believe that he was thinking of it to himself later that night, something like "yeah...that felt good". headcanon ~~~~

 

Speaking of the hug, a couple weeks ago I went back to analyze the hug again because of an ask I had on tumblr.  This probably is old news to most people here, but as a new NS shipper I'm still discovering things based on an NS perspective and I realized that the hug --specifically the moment she says "thank you"-- is an extremely blatant indication of Sakura's feelings even if she's not aware of them herself.  I had been under the false impression that the moment that the villagers are blocked out indicated that both Naruto and Sakura blocked them out, but that's not the case.  We're shown Naruto's perspective when he's awkward, with his eyes open, seeing the fact that she's hugging him in front of everyone.  It's Sakura who blocks everyone out, it's for Sakura that nobody else mattered when she had Naruto in her arms.  That panel alone is actually extremely convincing, it really does seem that Sakura already loves Naruto romantically, she's just unable to/reluctant to realize her existing feeling.

[Hanabi]

 

Releasing it is not necessarily lethal. You're letting all the chakra out after-all. The main life shortening aspect is Creation rebirth and Strength of a thousand arms. These jutsu force cells to rapidly divide and regenerate entire organs at times. But it must also be noted cells can only divide a select number of time so excessive use of this technique is life shortening. 

Thanks for explaining that c: do u know roughly which chapter was that explained?

[咲耶姫]

Is Sakura gonna keep that seal on her forehead like Tsunade or will it disapear after the war?

Edited by 咲耶姫, 30 October 2013 - 07:22 AM.

[Branden]

Is Sakura gonna keep that seal on her front like Tsunade or will it disapear after the war?

It will probably stay. Then again if she doesn't like it she could just disguise herself with a transformation jutsu.

[rocci]

The seal will stay, the problem is how long it take to refill it?

So I have question, what make naruto like sakura? Is it because she's sasuke fangirl?

[TouKen4Life3g]

The seal will stay, the problem is how long it take to refill it?

So I have question, what make naruto like sakura? Is it because she's sasuke fangirl?

Don't know but that's not the reason. I wonder if you was being serious with that one. Anyway, it's possible that he likes her because she is similar to him in many ways, perhaps. Don't know, but we'll see.

[rocci]

@ns4life
Well kishi show us the reason how kushina, Karin, tsunade, obito, ect. Fall in love.
I have one in my head with how naruto fall in love with sakura, but I don't know if kishi will show it.

[Superman333]

The seal will stay, the problem is how long it take to refill it?

So I have question, what make naruto like sakura? Is it because she's sasuke fangirl?

I believe he likes Sakura-Chan at first because he thought she was cute along with her forehead obviously because he imagined something about it by himself without even talking.  For me however the answer as to why his feelings evolved beyond a crush was explained in chapter 3, its because he realized they are similar, so basically he was attracted to her plus he realized they have the same personality and goals in a way. Then as he spent more time with her the love kept on building up. 

Edited by Superman333, 30 October 2013 - 10:23 AM.