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#10441 archangel

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:27 AM

Oh man....Too much wasted potential. I think Tsunade not fighting Pain was a early sign.

 

No. Much after.

Lol. Who knows. It's a good start to be like Naruto in his day 1 style WITH PARENTS.

Agreed. The only Sannin we never know the full potential. But she become hokage, was the grand-daughter of the 1st hokage. She never lived up to her potential. She should have use at least water style ninjutsu and earth style ninjutsu. Not necessarly wood style, but those too could have been great for her. When you see Jiraiya and Orochimaru, it's sad. No woman live up to their potential. That should have been a sign. MIzukage got 3 element, 2 kekke genkai but never had a big fight in the war, they rather use Oonoki 3 times.



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:29 AM

No. Much after.

Did you see this?


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#10443 archangel

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:31 AM

Did you see this?

She was to be a civil, not even a ninja back then lol.



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:32 AM

I agree. Don't forget Karin was randomly made an Uzumaki as well or why Sakura has smiled at Naruto at almost every arc without him noticing.

But it's another thing entirely to confront an author about "why he changed his story" without him admitting it himself. Just like Charlie Sheen chewed his producer out, Kishimoto can't just say his employer pressured him to do it without facing any repercussions. Moreover, it would force him to admit he was a bad writer, which is an extremely embarrassing thing to do.

 

And lying to preserve the interests of marketers while hiding behind a veil of ignorance and complacency is morally righteous? For him to pretend that this is what he intended all along while denying that any of the charisma or buildup between Naruto and Sakura was true is a far greater to me a reader than outright admitting that he made mistakes. If he did admit to them, it wouldn't negate all of the damage that was caused to the story, but I would at least hold the honesty of his sorrow in his favour 



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:32 AM

Guys, is it true that Hinata was created before Sasuke and Sakura?

Did you see this?

Yes, we saw it, those are the firsts sketches of her, not that she was created before everyone :v


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:33 AM

Imagine if Bolt X Sarada is gonna be Kishi's way of making up NaruSaku for us. If that's the case then I'm completely against it. No way in hell are these two gonna be a NaruSaku replacement.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:33 AM

it has been a week and the thing that makes me so irritated still is that I have no desire to every read Naruto again, a manga that I have reread at least once a year since I started collecting it.

 

I have 66 volumes on my shelf that I could just a happily toss in the garbage because that is what Kishimoto has reduced the series to by making everything Naruto ever said or stood for and absolute lie

 

needed to ease the pain a bit so I read the last volume of Cross Game last night...

 

Adachi Mitsuru knows how to write manga, I wish Kishi had learned more from him when he was a fan of his in childhood


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#10448 Atheck

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:38 AM

I have 66 volumes on my shelf that I could just a happily toss in the garbage because that is what Kishimoto has reduced the series to by making everything Naruto ever said or stood for and absolute lie

 

Wasn't Fenris going to post a video of them burning their volumes? I'm still hoping to see that video because only one member has posted such content thus far. 


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:38 AM

it has been a week and the thing that makes me so irritated still is that I have no desire to every read Naruto again, a manga that I have reread at least once a year since I started collecting it.
 
I have 66 volumes on my shelf that I could just a happily toss in the garbage because that is what Kishimoto has reduced the series to by making everything Naruto ever said or stood for and absolute lie


I thought about the same thing, but then I told myself once I get volume 71 that'll be it for me as far as the manga goes anyway.

Something that 4life told me, volume 72 is like an expansion to a game, you don't really need it. Since everything goes crazy from that point on.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:40 AM

I agree. Don't forget Karin was randomly made an Uzumaki as well or why Sakura has smiled at Naruto at almost every arc without him noticing.

But it's another thing entirely to confront an author about "why he changed his story" without him admitting it himself. Just like Charlie Sheen chewed his producer out, Kishimoto can't just say his employer pressured him to do it without facing any repercussions. Moreover, it would force him to admit he was a bad writer, which is an extremely embarrassing thing to do.

If he admit right now that NS was his intention but editor force him to do otherwise, he gives us closure but more importantly, an indirect win. And the new project can't afford that. Even if I were NH, the author came out and said that he want NS to be true. I would feel really bad for my pairing and see the upcoming movie as a lie to take my money, so his the next part3. If Kishi open is mouth right now, They lost a load of $$$ for sure.

 

The other factor is courage to do it, why would he? Anyway I guess the way the story is written is pretty obvious, but and everyone here knows what happen and even some NH and SS know it deep too. But the confirmation would KILL THE FUTUR PROJECT.


Edited by archangel, 13 November 2014 - 02:42 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:44 AM

Wasn't Fenris going to post a video of them burning their volumes? I'm still hoping to see that video because only one member has posted such content thus far.

Really? Can i have the link to the video?
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:46 AM

And lying to preserve the interests of marketers while hiding behind a veil of ignorance and complacency is morally righteous? For him to pretend that this is what he intended all along while denying that any of the charisma or buildup between Naruto and Sakura was true is a far greater to me a reader than outright admitting that he made mistakes. If he did admit to them, it wouldn't negate all of the damage that was caused to the story, but I would at least hold the honesty of his sorrow in his favour


Ofcourse there is nothing morally righteous about pretending you didn't change your story halfway when evidence points to the contrary. But you have to remember he's a real life person and has an employer looking over his shoulder. You can't expect him to talk rubbish about his bosses without resulting in severe repercussions for himself and his livelihood.

That would be assuming if it was editorial pressure he bowed to. If it was fan pressure, then you're effectively forcing him to admit he's a bad author, which is embarrassing. People go to several lengths to avoid "losing face", and I doubt any author would put themselves in that position. He has peers, he doesn't want to be known as the mangaka who openly admitted to being a puppet.
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:47 AM

it has been a week and the thing that makes me so irritated still is that I have no desire to every read Naruto again, a manga that I have reread at least once a year since I started collecting it.
 
I have 66 volumes on my shelf that I could just a happily toss in the garbage because that is what Kishimoto has reduced the series to by making everything Naruto ever said or stood for and absolute lie
 
needed to ease the pain a bit so I read the last volume of Cross Game last night...
 
Adachi Mitsuru knows how to write manga, I wish Kishi had learned more from him when he was a fan of his in childhood


I rewatched rock lee spin off.. made more sense than the last two chapters and the last movie combined..

I hope it wont get tainted.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:58 AM

 Pretty much LOL. 

 

"The Hinata alarm clock comes with the adult Hinata image from The Last: Naruto The Movie in the center & features Hinata’s voice actor, Nana Mizuki, saying “Naruto-kun” & “That is why I am not afraid to die protecting you!! Because… I love you…” The alarm clock will hit the Movic website on December 11th for the price of 7,400yen."

 

 

Naruto-kun would be the response to EVERYTHING.  :hm:

 

"Oh hey, how're you doing today?"

"Naruto-kun"

"What do you want to eat?"

"Naruto-kun"

"How's the weather forecast for today?"

"Naruto-kuuuun"

 

I would break that damn clock everyday too. 

 

"The Hinata alarm clock comes with the adult Hinata image from The Last: Naruto The Movie in the center & features Hinata’s voice actor, Nana Mizuki, saying “Naruto-kun” & “That is why I am not afraid to die protecting you!! Because… I love you…” The alarm clock will hit the Movic website on December 11th for the price of 7,400yen."

 

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Using that crappy alarm clock will make you sleep even more.



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:58 AM

Really? Can i have the link to the video?

 
I forgot his name, but he posted a brief video of the burning here: https://www.wevideo....ia/ci/263468021
 
 

Ofcourse there is nothing morally righteous about pretending you didn't change your story halfway when evidence points to the contrary. But you have to remember he's a real life person and has an employer looking over his shoulder. You can't expect him to talk rubbish about his bosses without resulting in severe repercussions for himself and his livelihood.


Is it necessary for him to paint his employers in a negative light when admitting to his mistakes? No. Kishi can deflect the accusations of an involvement from executives and pantomime if he wants. I just want the truth of whether this was his original, authentic ending or if he intended to complete the series with something else before "parties unknown" compelled him to rethink his decision.
 

That would be assuming if it was editorial pressure he bowed to. If it was fan pressure, then you're effectively forcing him to admit he's a bad author, which is embarrassing.


Since when does Kishi have much knowledge of the western fanbase? This is the same man who scratches his head at the concept of digital reading and online social media. Direct influence from the desirous masses would hold no consequence in his mind unless his superiors forced their opinions into his perspective.
 

People go to several lengths to avoid "losing face", and I doubt any author would put themselves in that position. He has peers, he doesn't want to be known as the mangaka who openly admitted to being a puppet.


I also doubt that Kishi would prefer to be known as one of the biggest misleading authors who purposefully sabotaged his own work for the sake of ratings and profit. It doesn't have to be a self-denigrating admission of guilt. Just offering a better insight into what he originally intended without paining himself in a negative light would be semi-acceptable for short-term closure.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:07 AM

I have 66 volumes on my shelf that I could just a happily toss in the garbage because that is what Kishimoto has reduced the series to by making everything Naruto ever said or stood for and absolute lie

 

If you sell them, I'm sure you could get a decent amount of cash. 


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:16 AM

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:16 AM

Is it necessary for him to paint his employers in a negative light when admitting to his mistakes? No. Kishi can deflect the accusations of an involvement from executives and pantomime if he wants. I just want the truth of whether this was his original, authentic ending or if he intended to complete the series with something else before "parties unknown" compelled him to rethink his decision.

 

Ok, even if he did cryptically say it was someone who forced his hand, it isn't hard for the general public to infer these "parties unknown" are. Either way, he would end up painting himself as a tool and lose any credibility as an author.

 

You'll probably never get a direct answer to whether he wanted the series to end like this, but there's quite a lot of evidence to go by, even as late as the girlfriend comment chapter.

 

 

Since when does Kishi have much knowledge of the western fanbase? This is the same man who scratches his head at the concept of digital reading and online social media. Direct influence from the desirous masses would hold no consequence in his mind unless his superiors forced their opinions into his perspective. 

 

I didn't specifically refer to the Western fanbase at all. What we do known is that, according to that interview conducted right after the Land of Iron arc, he himself admitted several people told him Sakura wasn't heroine-like and people won't stop talking about Hinata.

 

Really, I can write a book at this stage to prove that Google hits and polls are an inaccurate representation of fandom popularity. But it doesn't matter in the end, because in this case, Hinata being more popular than Sakura was what Kishimoto thought at the time of the interview.

 

Regardless, my point was if he admitted he wrote the ending to please the NH/ SS fanbase (if that was the case), there's no way he can come out of it without making himself look bad, without his manga looking bad, or his new NH movie looking bad.

 

I also doubt that Kishi would prefer to be known as one of the biggest misleading authors who purposefully sabotaged his own work for the sake of ratings and profit. It doesn't have to be a self-denigrating admission of guilt. Just offering a better insight into what he originally intended without paining himself in a negative light would be semi-acceptable for short-term closure.

 

No one can actually say for certain that Kishimoto wrote the ending he did for money, so unless he admits it in any interview, no one can actually accuse him of such without the accusation looking like baseless slander. I personally think he just wrote what he did because the NH/ SS fandoms combined were much bigger than the NS/ SK fandoms. It looked like to me that he just wanted to please more people.

 

No author has been able to admit they've changed their ending at the last minute without getting flack for it, honestly. JK Rowling ignited a whole new wave in the HP shipping war for telling people Hermione should be with Harry.


Edited by Nefertieh, 13 November 2014 - 03:17 AM.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:18 AM

 
I forgot his name, but he posted a brief video of the burning here: https://www.wevideo....ia/ci/263468021


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:21 AM

Did you see this?

Wow Hinata looks pretty there. XD
But I have the Official Naruto Fanbook and Kishimoto says in there that he created Naruto first..then Iruka..then Sarutobi..then Kakashi and Sasuke..and last was Sakura.
He CLEARLY states that Naruto by himself would be boring so he created Sasuke and Sakura to fit in the role of "rival" and "heroine".

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