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#10441 narusakufan122

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 08:54 PM

Lol you guys. I should repeat my question but who here thinks a parallel will be confirmed, or at least mention it. It doesn't need to be that direct (ex I have a girl name Sakura).

 

Yeah i think it will get confirmed. Seeing as how Obito and Naruto can see what the other is thinking about.

Something along the lines of Naruto talking about Sakura thinking of nice memories of her : maybe Sakura healing Naruto in the memories and telling him to be more carefull. Obito seeing this and thinking back to a similar situation between him and Rin.



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 09:27 PM

 

Sorry this is a bit late, 

 

I'm wondering Darkness, why you do not like this idea? Actually I've seen the argument that people see the って from Naruto as potentially being some sort of negative or "joking" jab at Sakura's confession, which of course isn't the case (I just saw this as generally the case). The argument saying that Naruto brought it up (her confession) to "paraphrase it" with heavy implication that he is joking with her (due to the next chapter I believe). But this is an argument that has no backing in it whatsoever. I think that it is okay that people believe that Naruto may have said it in reference to her past confession, I see it as something possible because the sentence left that part ambiguous. But for him to use it as something negative is taking things out of context.

 

I do stand by my translation as only being "Well, something like that..." but I can offer another viewpoint of the scene that I think is a lot more smoother than "quoting" Sakura. More...natural? I really like this best, but if someone was to ask me to add the "tte" into my translation for this scene specifically, I would use the translation above. I would not use "she said/ it is said/ etc."

 

まあ、そんな感じだって (maa, sonna kanji datte...)

Well, you can say it is something like that.

 

and of course the it is referencing Minato's girlfriend comment. I'm okay with this translation as well. And in this case it is more direct like "Yes you can say that she is my girlfriend" as opposed to the very indirect "Yes it was said that she's something like my girlfriend" hahaha, sorry if I'm not making any sense I'm trying to explain it best as possible. Really I think it all means the same thing, it's hard to twist it to make some other meaning. I think it's something really simple as this and nothing intricate.

 

Clearly the scene is very NaruSaku!

 

Hey Megi, I really appreciate your further clarification. I agree with you, this is a very simplistic scene and it really has nothing much to analyze, but It looks like I got caught into the trend. :P
 
The reason I don't like it is because the first time I've seen a discussion about this very scene, people were doing exactly what you've pointed out: using the "って" to distort Naruto's words into something completely different from what I've read, changing his answer in order to favor their own personal preference and heavily implying he was joking and possibly even trying to get back on Sakura for her earlier confession. 
 
Despite the person who offered the Japanese translation have made it very clear it was an ambiguous quote, people were celebrating victory like if the one possibility they think was best were the right one and the only possible way of interpreting the scene.
 
The quote interpretation creates the possibility for people to distort the scene in an unacceptable way and that's what I don't like about it. It is so clear that Naruto loves Sakura and this is the sole main reason he answered yes. Naruto didn't need to quote Sakura to do that, he did not have to hear it first in order to say it to his father like some sort of monkey. Saying that Naruto only answered yes out of naiveness (because Sakura said it to him) or for joking purposes is the perfect example of denying logic, common sense and context.
 
In the end I completely agree with your translation and there's no doubt about it, that scene was a NS moment. 
 
Anyway I've tried to make my PoV as clear as possible... hope to have succeeded in that. Nonetheless, I think we've squeezed too much out of this scene already. Sigh ~.
 
It's about time to move on now.  :argh:

Edited by Darkness, 26 October 2013 - 10:30 PM.

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 09:35 PM

The confession hit Naruto hard. He would never joke about it. js.. Q_Q


Edited by sushi., 26 October 2013 - 09:36 PM.

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 10:12 PM

About the girlfriend thing...I always treat that like Naruto asking Sakura for a date. That scene is straightforward to be honest.



 


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 12:28 AM

About the girlfriend thing...I always treat that like Naruto asking Sakura for a date. That scene is straightforward to be honest.

I think it was a joke because he explains later during Sai's flashback why he never did any kind of serious approach on Sakura.

 

The girlfriend thing for me is sorta off diferent than Naruto's date requests.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 October 2013 - 12:29 AM.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 01:48 AM

I will choose sakura dying/(almost) to make obirin = NS happen.

And whatever naruto joke or not when minato asked sakura, for me is not important, because it show that naruto still love/interest with sakura.
The thing that kishi hide in majority of part 2.

And sakura always SAVE.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 01:53 AM

It doesn't need to happen now. Naruto can simply think back of Obito when confessing to Sakura, because not confessing to Rin in time was one of his biggest regrets.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:22 AM

@ redragon88: Yes, I'm sure, it was Takeuchi and I'm also sure it was a joke because they were talking about the changes of the character's personality. Nakamura said that she prefered the normal Sasuke who doesn't seduce every girl he sees and that's when Takeuxhi said that Sakura wouldn't have wanted to return in the real world if she was the only one for Sasuke. And I'm sure it's a joke because, the response of Nakamura is "Hahaha! I'm not sure of that!" 

I think the Hahaha speaks for itself. 

 

@ megi: There is one thing I don't understand in your translation. Why are you so sure that it's not just a dattebayo interrupted? Because in the next panel after the datte (だって), Naruto screams Baa! (ばあ!) while Sakura was hitting him. But if you're right, then I see no problem in the datte translation, I understand that there is nothing negative about it. 

And about the interview, it was just Nakamura et Takeuchi. They were giving their impressions about the RTN movie.


Edited by 咲耶姫, 27 October 2013 - 03:31 AM.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:13 AM

It doesn't need to happen now. Naruto can simply think back of Obito when confessing to Sakura, because not confessing to Rin in time was one of his biggest regrets.

That was never shown on the manga.

It was only shown that his biggest regret was the fact he could not protect her.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:22 AM

Yes it is, it was shown in chapter 244. Obito says: "I couldn't finally admit it to Rin."

http://www.mangapand...hapter-244.html


Edited by 咲耶姫, 27 October 2013 - 09:23 AM.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:27 AM

Yes it is, it was shown in chapter 244. Obito says: "I couldn't finally admit it to Rin."

http://www.mangapand...hapter-244.html

My bad then i must have skipped this quote.

Sounds like Jiraiya.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:49 AM

@darkrest
Did jiraiya regret not to confess?

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:12 AM

@darkrest
Did jiraiya regret not to confess?

kind off

 

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 11:58 AM

You know, looking back at the old chapters of the Gaiden, it felt like we weren't suppose to know that easily like Obito's feelings with Rin and Rin with Kakashi. I think we were like smart enough to realize their affections, because Obito first hint/expose was that panel you linked and Rin was the one before the ninjas attack Kakashi. I guess now, this one is full blown explanation.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 October 2013 - 11:58 AM.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 12:22 PM

Found this in a anti narusaku forum. it looks photoshopped thou.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:42 PM

Lol you guys. I should repeat my question but who here thinks a parallel will be confirmed, or at least mention it. It doesn't need to be that direct (ex I have a girl name Sakura).

 

I feel that it could so easily go either way right now, maybe because I don't want to get cocky and say it's a done-deal. We could have a confirmation as obvious as 631 or something much more understated, an implied confirmation that hints at Sakura indirectly, or Kishi could even avoid any mention of Sakura at all and leave the parallel hanging, the last one seems a bit unlikely, with Kishimoto's track record, but I'm not going to completely discount the possibility. I'm willing to sit back and see how it goes. :happy: But any parallel that may happen, I can't see being anything less than in NaruSaku's favor.

 

Found this in a anti narusaku forum. it looks photoshopped thou.

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:huh: So, this is like a way of saying NaruSaku is...toast? I admit, I don't find it terribly clever, it's kind of funny actually because it so silly, either anti's are losing their touch, or I'm really just that unaffected by what they come up with.


Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 27 October 2013 - 03:05 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:59 PM

Yeah, I'll play safe and say it may not happen the parallel confirmation. I could be right, I could be wrong. Two days left...

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:20 PM

:huh: So, this is like a way of saying NaruSaku is...toast? I admit, I don't find it terribly clever, it's kind of funny actually because it so silly, either anti's are losing their touch, or I'm really just that unaffected by what they come up with.

 

Oh that's why! hahahah!! I was wondering why they're putting pro narusaku pics in a anti thread and I even googled to see if theres a narusaku toaster coz I saw a domo kun toaster some time ago.. silly me xD

 

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Edited by Hanabi, 27 October 2013 - 03:32 PM.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:48 PM

 
Oh that's why! hahahah!! I was wondering why they're putting pro narusaku pics in a anti thread and I even googled to see if theres a narusaku toaster coz I saw a domo kun toaster some time ago.. silly me xD
 
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That is freaking awesome.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:53 PM

yeah its cute, but somehow i doubt it'll taste as good.


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