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#1021 WhyDoIWatch

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 02:41 AM

That's why I said if she beat sasori alone without chiyo help it will make stronger than them, because her base level is a kage level. That's why sakura need chiyo just like chiyo need sakura, because sakura is not that strong.

Well, I think it's asspull because there are foreshadowing.
But personally, I don't see it as asspull. Eversince sakura become tsunade apperantice and learn her fighting style, it only a matter of time before she gain it and summon slug.

But yeah, it's a hollow achievement compare with her teammate.

Oh sorry for misunderstanding then.

 

Agreed but an asspull doesn't have to make no sense its just simply the author pulling something without any foreshadowing. 


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 02:41 AM

It shouldn't be about what you ship, it was obvious where the story was going. I've seen plenty of shows where I personally didn't ship the main couple, but if the writers suddenly decided to take a 180 on them too, I would still call them out. Because pairings are a part of the story, ships are just personal feelings/reaction of the fandoms.

Sorry but I gotta call you out. You mean like Legend of Korra? Cause even though Mako and Korra were developed horribly and were kind of unpleasing to watch, you can't blame the fans who thought that they were going to become canon in the end. Why? Because they already gained canon. They were the original couple before the series got highlighted for 3 more seasons. Korrasami should have been way more developed, at least with hints. Then the horrid shipping wars wouldn't have ever happened. It's also worrying how Bryke contributed to them indirectly. Sorry I had to go there lol. 


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 03:22 AM

Sorry but I gotta call you out. You mean like Legend of Korra? Cause even though Mako and Korra were developed horribly and were kind of unpleasing to watch, you can't blame the fans who thought that they were going to become canon in the end. Why? Because they already gained canon. They were the original couple before the series got highlighted for 3 more seasons. Korrasami should have been way more developed, at least with hints. Then the horrid shipping wars wouldn't have ever happened. It's also worrying how Bryke contributed to them indirectly. Sorry I had to go there lol. 

 

Korrasami couldn't have been developed openly because you know how this world is. It was subtle instead

 

Hell, I'm not gay so I don't have what they call a "gaydar" but that season 3 finale made me think like "Wow...could they be...? " 

And then season 4 just strenghtened it.


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 05:13 AM

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 05:24 AM

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I find it weird on how they separate Sakura and Naruto so much...they put Sasuke or Recnata in between them now

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 05:29 AM

I find it weird on how they separate Sakura and Naruto so much...they put Sasuke or Recnata in between them now

They need to do that. Since nh & ss doesn't have much development or too negative.

Anyway, now we know that sakura necklace is not magata or uchiha but it look like her seal (diamond?).

I like when sakura hairstyle is not spiky.

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 05:48 AM

They need to do that. Since nh & ss doesn't have much development or too negative.

Anyway, now we know that sakura necklace is not magata or uchiha but it look like her seal (diamond?).

I like when sakura hairstyle is not spiky.

 

I read it from here that it's confirmed that the necklace is the same necklace that her dad has. The one that looks like sakura petal. But now you're saying that, it does look like her seal :headscratch:

 

Me too! That's my fav haircut <3


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 09:20 AM

Is it true that the SS japanese fandom are pissed off about the novel not having any big SS romantic moment?


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 09:21 AM

Is it true that the SS japanese fandom are pissed off about the novel not having any big SS romantic moment?

Not sure on that group as in Japanese, but I know some at tumblr weren't happy.

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 09:29 AM

My cousin tweeted to me 2 hours ago about it. I know I cant trust that guy sometimes  :hm:


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 09:53 AM

Sorry but she can't defeat base mode Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi. They are all way to fast for her and much smarter. 

Erm, no?

The only one to be much faster than Sakura are Kakshi and Sasuke, Naruto is only slightly faster.

The only one to be more intelligent is Kakashi (and only slightly), both Naruto and Sasuke are not as smart as Sakura.

 

Additionaly, Sakura is a combat-medic, which means that she's way better at dodging than both Naruto and Sasuke. For Sasuke to be better he would need to activate his Sharingan (and we couldn't call him 'basemode' then).

 

While she wouldn't be able to defeat either of Sasuke or Kakshi because of their Ninjutsu capabillity or speed she would have a very high chance to beat Naruto - in 'base mode' as you would say.


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 10:59 AM


Hahahahaha the only thing the SS fans had to say about the lack of SS in the book is : "The author cant even touch them for fear of ruining their relationship. "

lol so it's that easy to ruin their relationship huh? not a surprise. it was kitten to begin with...

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 01:37 PM

Erm, no?

The only one to be much faster than Sakura are Kakshi and Sasuke, Naruto is only slightly faster.

The only one to be more intelligent is Kakashi (and only slightly), both Naruto and Sasuke are not as smart as Sakura.

 

Additionaly, Sakura is a combat-medic, which means that she's way better at dodging than both Naruto and Sasuke. For Sasuke to be better he would need to activate his Sharingan (and we couldn't call him 'basemode' then).

 

While she wouldn't be able to defeat either of Sasuke or Kakshi because of their Ninjutsu capabillity or speed she would have a very high chance to beat Naruto - in 'base mode' as you would say.

 

Base Naruto was holding his own in close quarters combat with God Realm, someone that could challenge Kakashi and avoid his most powerful attacks without help from the Akimichi duo. Later he was somehow maintaining pace with Sharinnegan Sasuke and exchanging blows with him at the beginning of their second fight. Sakura's most notable speed feat without preestablished knowledge was avoiding a Katon from 30% Itachi. Based off what we know, she's always been slower than Naruto and that gap only widened as the series progressed past the Kazekage Rescue arc.

 

In the academic sense, yes. But in-battle strategic intelligence and experience certainly go to Naruto and Sasuke. Her last combat manoeuvre in the manga consisted of rushing an infinitely more powerful opponent to distract them while hoping that she's not turned into paste. It failed to yield any worthwhile results besides a solemn reminder of the obvious that Sasuke isn't concerned for her well-being. And her typical strategy is the same as Tsunade's - tank everything you can while pummeling your enemies to death with your fist. Madara indirectly criticised that method of fighting for lacking any complexity or grace when he was relying on Hashirama's highly similar regeneration. Do I need to express how the blessed duo have been performing outrageous strategic manoeuvres since the Land of Waves arc that put Sakura's feint against Sasori to shame? Even her trickery against the disguised Zetsu was only above-average at best. 

 

Base Sasuke was moving so quickly that Sakura couldn't follow him while also blitzing CS2 enemies at Orochimaru's prison. She's weaker than any of their Part 2 incarnations with the possible exception of Kazekage Rescue arc Naruto without Kurama. 



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Posted 04 April 2015 - 02:31 PM

Please go and re-read the fights of part 2 and look up the third data book (which ends right before the pain arc...and you can't even say that Naruto became stronger in the mean time as every training he did after that was incredibly specific and did nothing to expand his 'base-line stats').

 

That Naruto can hold his own (which, by the way, completely exhausted Naruto. He wouldn't have hold out any longer anyway before he got another sage mode) against Deva-Pain doesn't mean anything in regards to Sakura's hand2hand skills.

 

Naruto has never shown any impressive 'speed feat', as you put it, beyond Sakura's.

In fact Naruto is only 0.5 points faster than Sakura. Additionaly Naruto doesn't have the observation skills necessary for anything else than dodging the most obvious attacks, Sasori would have killed him with no problems while Sakura could determine his attack patterns based on his fingermovements. Chiyo herself did say that she didn't even need to help Sakura dodging the iron-sand attacks (which were fast and had alternating patterns and forms). Naruto on the other hand couldn't even detect Genjutsu (which Sakura has no problems to do) or find Kakashi during their test.

That's exactly why both Tsunade and Sakura are even able to fight like that. They both are smart/intelligent and quick enough to see through the attack pattern, evade it and attack the enemy with maximum force. The only instance of any kind of slightly impressive observation skills on Naruto's side were during the 'Kazuma arc' as he detected how Fuuka's jutsu worked and when he saw that Senjutsu attacks were effective against Jinchuuriki-Obito (which was actually pretty obvious).

 

And no, her finding out how Zetsu's disguise worked was not 'average' as noone(not even Shikaku) had even an idea how that kind of infiltration could work in the first place.

 

Oh and when Sasuke moved so quickly that Sakura couldn't see him, neither Naruto nor Yamato could see him too. Well, Yamato just said 'fast!' so he could have seen him but he's still slower than Sasuke.

 

Thanks to Genjutsu, raw strength, evasive skills and intelligence (and as Sakura actually has more battle experience than Naruto, that includes 'combat intelligence' as well) Sakura would absolutely obliterate Naruto in a straight fight as long as he doesn't use sage mode, Kurama or any other 'power up'.


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 02:55 PM

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I read it from here that it's confirmed that the necklace is the same necklace that her dad has. The one that looks like sakura petal. But now you're saying that, it does look like her seal :headscratch:
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Me too! That's my fav haircut <3

I.saw diamond too, in the illustration drawing of the novel

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honestly, it looked like a fanart to me

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 03:24 PM

 

Korrasami couldn't have been developed openly because you know how this world is. It was subtle instead

 

Hell, I'm not gay so I don't have what they call a "gaydar" but that season 3 finale made me think like "Wow...could they be...? " 

And then season 4 just strenghtened it.

But I feel like that's nothing but an excuse. Like Steven Universe does a way better job with hints and implications. LoK let this pairing go over a lot of people's heads.  

 

It's the same thing with Naruto and Sasuke. They may not be canon gay, but there were some....deep moments. Like Naruto thinking about what's Sasuke going under the sky. Or Sasuke always worrying about how far Naruto had come. I feel like they were more believable than Korrasami. Korra and Asami only shared a few moments together (Like when they were on that ship). I think instead of wasting time on Asami trying to get back with Mako, they should have spent more time on Asami's friendship turned relationship with Korra.  

 

But then again, Makorra wasn't properly developed either. It was forced. So I think the main problem here isn't having a canon gay couple with little development, but more so of Bryke's failure when it comes to romance writing (and no, I didn't like any of the couples in ATLA either).


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 04:09 PM

But I feel like that's nothing but an excuse. Like Steven Universe does a way better job with hints and implications.

it truly does, It's like right in your face. everyone knows that ruby and sapphire are a couple, ffs they were all over each other and kissing. 


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 04:25 PM

Sorry but I gotta call you out. You mean like Legend of Korra? Cause even though Mako and Korra were developed horribly and were kind of unpleasing to watch, you can't blame the fans who thought that they were going to become canon in the end. Why? Because they already gained canon. They were the original couple before the series got highlighted for 3 more seasons. Korrasami should have been way more developed, at least with hints. Then the horrid shipping wars wouldn't have ever happened. It's also worrying how Bryke contributed to them indirectly. Sorry I had to go there lol. 

I didn't mean LoK, so you shouldn't jump on me like that for suspiscions only. :/ I'm talking about a bunch of shows, not just one. Speaking of Avatar, I was never really personally invested in Kataang, but I always knew they'd be canon and they had all the reasons to be. Just an example.

 

Anyway back to topic, it kinda bothers me that Sakura's cover is not even a lineart? I'd prefer a fully colored pic, but she only got a sketch. :ermm:


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Posted 04 April 2015 - 04:29 PM

I didn't mean LoK, so you shouldn't jump on me like that for suspiscions only. :/ I'm talking about a bunch of shows, not just one. Speaking of Avatar, I was never really personally invested in Kataang, but I always knew they'd be canon and they had all the reasons to be. Just an example.
 
Anyway back to topic, it kinda bothers me that Sakura's cover is not even a lineart? I'd prefer a fully colored pic, but she only got a sketch. :ermm:

bc kishi knows he always kittens up her design...

he was cautious not to spoil it by terrible colouring :zaru:

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Posted 04 April 2015 - 05:06 PM

Please go and re-read the fights of part 2 and look up the third data book (which ends right before the pain arc...and you can't even say that Naruto became stronger in the mean time as every training he did after that was incredibly specific and did nothing to expand his 'base-line stats').


This is a universe where economic prosperity for a country is determined by a sequence of mercenary contracts written by civilians or political entities that entail escorts, protection, assassination, and even full-fledged wars. It's expected that you would maintain and improve your relative strength on your own time time to increase your effectiveness as a shinobi. Aside from a scarce few exceptions like early Part 1 Kakashi who admitted that he had not encountered anyone notable that could challenge him for some time, the characters are always improving their strength, intelligence, speed, jutsu arsenal, chakra manipulation, or refining their fighting style.

I did read the Part 2 fights. Sage training and bijuu training largely focus on harnessing the external forces of substances or beings to supplement Naruto's already existent abilities, true, but that doesn't mean any improvements in statistical areas while in these forms wouldn't yield any benefits for his basic skillset as well. His chakra manipulation has undoubtedly improved as a result of the allocation and creation methods of those modes- some proponents even argue that it's superior to Sakura's when he distributed and manipulated it to coincide with the Alliance shinobis' respective chakra style.
 

That Naruto can hold his own (which, by the way, completely exhausted Naruto. He wouldn't have hold out any longer anyway before he got another sage mode) against Deva-Pain doesn't mean anything in regards to Sakura's hand2hand skills.

 
Naruto was already fatigued due to his prior usage of Sage Mode which consumed an ample amount of his chakra. He was going into that fight with only a third of his usual stamina available because of the battery clone system he utilised to refill himself with sage chakra. The fact that he could persist in holding his own in taijutsu with the same being that was giving Kakashi difficulties is a testament to his incredible endurance and CQC aptitude - and yes, it's a far more notable feat than anything Sakura has ever managed to scrounge up when punching Part 1 Ino in the face several times before getting knocked out.
 

Naruto has never shown any impressive 'speed feat', as you put it, beyond Sakura's.
In fact Naruto is only 0.5 points faster than Sakura.


As you referenced previously, the 3rd Databook is only applicable up until the end of the Itachi Pursuit arc. Don't mince words by arguing that Base Naruto never improved again just because he happened to have access to superior modes. The confrontation with God Realm still stands, as does his incredible performance against Sasuke in the initial stages of their second fight where his colliding attacks with Sasuke were generating shockwaves from the impact alone.

If you want a more direct comparison then you need only look at Naruto and Sakura's respective performances against Omoi and Karui. The former was capable of holding his own in a 2 against 1 scuffle, whereas the latter was promptly dispatched with a simple jump kick because she was either inattentive of her surroundings or she was incapable of avoiding due to the linearity of her fighting style prohibiting her from adjusting her posture in mid-attack.

Would you like to know what Sakura's method of fighting is classified as? It's a boxing style called "The Slugger". Here is the relevant information concerning it...

"The slugger (also brawler) often stands for everything that's brutal in the sport. A lot of sluggers tend to lack finesse in the ring, but make up for it in raw power, often able to knock almost any opponent out with a single punch. Most sluggers lack mobility in the ring and may have difficulty pursuing fighters who are fast on their feet. They usually throw harder, slower punches than swarmers or boxers and tend to ignore combination punching. Sluggers often will throw predictable punching patterns (single punches with obvious leads) that often leaves them open for counterpunching."
 
Sound familiar? Just sprinkle some basic-level regeneration on top and you have Sakura. 
 

Additionaly Naruto doesn't have the observation skills necessary for anything else than dodging the most obvious attacks, Sasori would have killed him with no problems while Sakura could determine his attack patterns based on his fingermovements. Chiyo herself did say that she didn't even need to help Sakura dodging the iron-sand attacks (which were fast and had alternating patterns and forms).

The only instance of any kind of slightly impressive observation skills on Naruto's side were during the 'Kazuma arc' as he detected how Fuuka's jutsu worked and when he saw that Senjutsu attacks were effective against Jinchuuriki-Obito (which was actually pretty obvious).


All of which I give Sakura credit for after making the necessary deductions that account for her needing Chiyo to lead her through the first half of the fight so she could acquire this information. Ironically, the moment Sasori shifted attack patterns to something that she was unfamiliar with, Sakura folded under the pressure and required Chiyo's intervention again. This shortcoming when confronted by something that requires her to think on her feet has been ongoing and noted several times in the Kage Summit and war arcs.

You also overlooked Naruto's various stints of creativity that have taken Jonin by surprise when he was a 12 year old Genin. What about his comprehension of God Realm's cool-down time after using Shinra Tensei, Kaguya's dimensional transfer, or exploiting Kiba's heightened sense of smell on more than just one occasion. All of which outweigh reading some finger movements through prolonged analysis of a puppeteer whom she was mostly helpless against except for like 30-40% of the fight. This is the same girl who was successfully tricked by Ino of all people and believed that rushing a virtual god with unspeakable powers was an apt strategy. She's just fortunate that Madara chose to impale her through the stomach with a chakra rod instead of vapourising her with one of his many techniques.
 

Naruto on the other hand couldn't even detect Genjutsu (which Sakura has no problems to do) or find Kakashi during their test.


I'm sorry, when was this? Sakura's genjutsu affinity is one of the most underutilised qualities in the manga. Her feats in that area are virtually nil. The only two times where Naruto failed to deduct that he was in a genjutsu with Sakura nearby was in early Part 1 when his genjutsu stats were literally on par with Lee's - hardly a noteworthy feat in hindsight, especially with how scarce genjutsu usage is. The latter was intentionally written by Kishi as a vehicle for showcasing Sakura's strength. It was her thoughts and what she learned that was in the limelight at the time, not Naruto's.
 

That's exactly why both Tsunade and Sakura are even able to fight like that. They both are smart/intelligent and quick enough to see through the attack pattern, evade it and attack the enemy with maximum force.


Analysis and evasion have been the obverse of Sakura and Tsunade's fighting styles since the fight with Sasori. Their medical techniques permit them a certain amount of leeway that causes their fluidity and grace to wane, not that they had much to begin with. With the Byakugou, their strategy consists of tanking any attack that the opponent unleashes and then responding in kind with an attack of their own after being impaled on a stick. When she's forced to act on a spur of the moment, Sakura can't even react to some wooden spikes that Hinata was repelling. She's easily prone to deer in the headlights syndrome when confronted by something that she didn't account for.

The only medical shinobi who has kept true to the doctrine of survival through avoidance all of this time is Kabuto.
 

And no, her finding out how Zetsu's disguise worked was not 'average' as noone(not even Shikaku) had even an idea how that kind of infiltration could work in the first place.


Only after Zetsu neglected to consider that he was referring to a pig, not a human, which Sakura picked up on and referenced again to confirm her suspicions. She wouldn't have assumed a thing if the circumstances behind her profession didn't entail the study and care of various different species and their anatomy
 

Oh and when Sasuke moved so quickly that Sakura couldn't see him, neither Naruto nor Yamato could see him. Well, Yamato just said 'fast!' so he could have seen him but he's still slower than Sasuke.


That they did - but unlike Sakura, we actually have direct evidence to corroborate the idea of Naruto's base speed improving. It's interesting that you neglected to acknowledge Naruto keeping up with Sharinnegan Sasuke and having a brief exchange with him before resorting to Kurama. That should have immediately resolved any claims of Naruto's Base speed stagnating after the Itachi Pursuit arc.
 

Thanks to Genjutsu, raw strength, evasive skills and intelligence (and as Sakura actually has more battle experience than Naruto, that includes 'combat intelligence' as well) Sakura would absolutely obliterate Naruto in a straight fight as long as he doesn't use sage mode, Kurama or any other 'power up'.


Is this the same Sakura who was incapable of reacting to falling down a pit of lava or against some wooden spikes that the fodder were managing to dodge? Her nondescript genjutsu resistance - which Naruto happens to possess as well, being a jinchuuriki in sync with his bijuu - is moot because neither one uses illusions. Her briefly shown analytic skills against Sasori don't apply to opponents where she is not given the necessary time to carefully examine their abilities. Sakura can observe all she wants for however many seconds she has before being blitzed by Naruto, it won't make a difference.

How does Sakura have more combat experience? She's only ever fought a handful of times in the manga. Naruto has been challenging Chunin and Jonin tier opponents when he was 12 years old. He's challenged two of the Sannin to battle on at least one occasion, and trained for several years with the third (one of those Sannin being the superior of Sakura even at the end of the manga). The entire 4th world war was won thanks primarily to Naruto's actions. He fought in every major theatre against multiple Kage level opponents before challenging all of the bijuu, the Jinchuuriki, including the Jubi, various Akatsuki members, and ultimately the original user of chakra herself.

Compare this to the battles that Sakura has under her belt... Some disposable Sound genin, Team Oboro's mirage clones (off-screen), Ino, Sasori (her only impressive battle), a White Zetsu spy, Jubi fodder that everyone was taking on, a half-assed distraction run against Juubi Madara, and a single punch from an advantageous position above Kaguya (it's an impressive feat, true, but it's hardly comparable to what Naruto and Sasuke did at this time who were handling like 80-90% of the legwork with Kakashi and Obito taking another 9-19% of it).

How you came to the conclusion that Sakura has seen and done more in combat than Naruto is beyond me.

Edited by Atheck, 04 April 2015 - 05:08 PM.






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